Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [8] 9 10 11 12 .. 12 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 6 post(s) |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:01:00 -
[211] - Quote
Jason Auralis wrote:Also you clearly don't care very much for this issue, you aren't even posting on your main.
Oh I do care, but my main ATM is unsubbed. If you send me a PLEX I'll immediately reactivate and start posting on it, ok?
|
Bruce Wie
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:04:00 -
[212] - Quote
wait you havent been inappropriately moved or locked wow |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:07:00 -
[213] - Quote
Bruce Wie wrote:wait you havent been inappropriately moved or locked wow
Yeah someone came along and cleaned the thread nicely. I believe it was the German Community Manager. Seems to be the only active one that might have the necessary privileges. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1081
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:17:00 -
[214] - Quote
#storm_in_a_teacup My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Dsan
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
9
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:17:00 -
[215] - Quote
ISDs get paid !? Where can I sign up ? I'll revolutionize that ****.
I make chop change for the stuff I do else where that the ISDs should be doing... Go read my blog at: www.eveblog.dsan.dk
Or follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/Dsan_dk |
Yonis Kador
Transstellar Alchemy
177
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:18:00 -
[216] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote: I can understand why you would want to have the guidelines published, but as with many things in EVE, if they were to publish them, people would abuse them and attempt to find loopholes, which in turn would just create more spam and less actual content.
What guidelines? The definition of content is subjective. There are no guidelines.
The forum rules are published. They're using the same forum rules we are. They're just using them to make judgments on what is and what is not satisfactory content. It's an opinion.
...
It's not really fair to call for dissolving the ISD if the issue is primarily with forum moderation. The volunteers who give advice in rookie help or who devote themselves to creating EvE fan fiction are pretty selfless and we should thank those guys.
But what is art? Who can answer that?
What metric determines content value?
There's no way for a CCL member to know if a rumor is true:
Rumor:: "I heard from a...very...reliable source that the Mittani is going to fly through high sec in a freighter full of zydrine escorted by 1000 frigates to give full jetcans to everyone demonstrating his benevolence. Tomorrow."
Now what are the CCLs going to do? Ask him if its true? It's silly to even suggest it possible to know if a rumor is true.
Even the devs are guilty. Following the Goon FW Eve-**** a few days ago, and following the announcement that assets had been seized, the 150 page topic on the subject was locked. Of course that only spawned new GD topics on the issue, one of which was brought down by Goliath himself with a "No content - thread locked." I actually lol'ed when I saw that.
So I guess I agree that the moderation has been pretty heavy-handed. I logged into GD the other night and 7 topics on page one were locked. Wow. That's a lot of hammer. It looked odd. I suspect some of this will be self-correcting though. If a CCL member edits one post too many and spawns 1000 more that also will not meet his definition of content, he'll only be increasing his own workload. Let's see how long that lasts.
How about instead of trying to determine what is or is not a rumor or what constitutes content, why not just create another forum section for the kiddos? Moderate GD as necessary and invite dev feedback here. Serious folk can be as serious as they like, spam-free. But in the new unfiltered section (called "the Void" or something) you moderate language and personal attacks but make no conclusions about content value. This would be a much better option.
When "adults" are trying to socialize in a room with noisy children, the solution isn't to tie the kids up and gag them.
You give them toys.
No matter what kind of content they're contributing, if players are logged into CCP's forums, they're not spending time doing something else.
Yonis Kador "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
170
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:20:00 -
[217] - Quote
the isd responses in this thread have been golden imo.
havent watched the forum that hard to see the abuse. will take a look over. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
204
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:28:00 -
[218] - Quote
ISD Athechu wrote:We are players of the same game as you and we enjoy it like you. The difference is that we have decided to contribute our time to the community that makes EVE so great. /signed
In contrast to the rest of us slackers who create all the content on these forums and in-game this gentleman has chosen to contribute something positive to the "community" by playing forum mod in his spare time.
We all should follow his example. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
42
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:32:00 -
[219] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:
I'd be fine with not. It's still the type of people who Volunteer at a For-Profit
Obviously CCP are Amarr...
Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Alpharius Sanguine
Project POZ
1
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:39:00 -
[220] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:We are players of the same game as you and we enjoy it like you. The difference is that we have decided to contribute our time to the community that makes EVE so great. /signed In contrast to the rest of us slackers who create all the content on these forums and in-game this gentleman has chosen to contribute something positive to the "community" by playing forum mod in his spare time. We all should follow his example.
I lol-ed
|
|
Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
210
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:42:00 -
[221] - Quote
Yeah, the CCL does seem to be a bit...um...over-zealous. Like moving one of GD's older, longer threads (complete with dev/GM posts) to OOPE. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
178
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:44:00 -
[222] - Quote
ISD forum moderation suck. This is EvE Online forums, not kindergarten forums. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
|
CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:47:00 -
[223] - Quote
While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program.
Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition.
Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators.
Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
|
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:49:00 -
[224] - Quote
Yes we have rules. But you cant have a group of moderators enforcing rules if they don't all interpret them the same way. A forum this large with so many varied ideas and just posts needs to have some guidelines for the moderators. Alot of very unique and impressive things have come from ideas posted on these forums that would have been locked by the CCL has trolls or spam. The original ISS proposition would have been locked within an hour. Most all of the first IPOs would have been seen has trolling because they were so outside the norm of what had been done in eve up until then. Hell BIG Lottos OP probably would have gotten a spam lock.
You cant strangle moderate these forums if you don't want them to turn out like every other MMO community out their. Imagine all the future marketing materials you could be losing CCP?
CCP Phantom wrote:While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program. Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition. Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators. Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
In this situation we cant discuss whats wrong or give examples of why something needs to change without referring to specific moderation. Its why what happened happened. We cant use the petition system because their is no visibility so it boils down to being one person getting a response that usually just boiled down to a link pointed at the ISD Wiki page. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
717
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:50:00 -
[225] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:#storm_in_a_teacup
+1
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:51:00 -
[226] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators. Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
You guys rock! The forums were left "abandoned" to themselves for a lot of time, it was about time somebody took some initiative to clean them up a bit. Some say they are "adults" as excuse to be rude and trollish but these are hardly signs of being adult.
Also, General Discussion is the first or the second forum where a new player will go to seek information about the game or even just to "taste" how is the current game status. Had I been a new player reading the past days (and more) GD discussions, I'd understand EvE is some madmen asylum and would have quit.
Is this constructive feedback?
|
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
312
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:54:00 -
[227] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
What happend to 'Eve is a cold harsh universe'? Fix FW ! |
captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
14
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:54:00 -
[228] - Quote
ISDs lock good threads and completely miss troll threads and posts. There's your problem. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
179
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:55:00 -
[229] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program. Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition. Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators. Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
Warm, friendly atmosphere doesn't fit the EvE cold and ruthless universe theme. This type of moderation is a 180-¦ change on what EvE forums used to be. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Sirinda
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:58:00 -
[230] - Quote
Warm, friendly atmosphere where applicable. Have you ever heard of atmosphere in space? |
|
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:01:00 -
[231] - Quote
I don't get it - the ISD responses fit EVE spirit - scamming and murdering. This "fluffly warm atmosphere thing" sounds like Hello Kitty atmosphere. Suddenly the tough guys get all sensitive about some random crap that isn't worth it's own thread. Boohooo cry me a river of isk. |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
2
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:02:00 -
[232] - Quote
When you choose to cry over barbie shirts instead of CCP taking tens of thousands of dollars for a rigged alliance tournament, you basically get what you deserve.
I'd say gtfo, go back to wow, but Eve, CCP and it's new barbiefag customer base deserve each other in every conceivable way. |
|
CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:04:00 -
[233] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder What happend to 'Eve is a cold harsh universe'?
The preamble which I just have quoted is really old and not new at all. EVE Online is a cold and harsh universe - and that is good.
Our forums however are governed by our forum rules - and that is good too. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
|
HeruRaHa
Baby Seal Bashing Club Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
2
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:06:00 -
[234] - Quote
I have already let my main expire just through pure apathy with the state of this game and especially it's level of nonexistent customer service or tact. For years the forums are what kept me interested in EVE and ultimately made me start up my old accounts and get an alt. The humour and hilarious threads and light hearted but fair GM's made it for me. After several years I have to say that the attitudes towards customers and what is allowed to pass for interactions with the community is nothing but pathetic anymore.
CCP had one chance to save it's ass after Incarna and it has shown that it will still blunder just like it did before but will now redact, censure, insult and provoke it's customers. If you guys want to come to a decent light hearted forum with GM's that actually know what they are doing and where you can have banners and image linking directly in threads without the soup **** bastards come to the Mech Warrior Online forums.
I suspect a lot of us will be seeing each other there soon.
|
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
179
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:12:00 -
[235] - Quote
HeruRaHa wrote:I have already let my main expire just through pure apathy with the state of this game and especially it's level of nonexistent customer service or tact. For years the forums are what kept me interested in EVE and ultimately made me start up my old accounts and get an alt. The humour and hilarious threads and light hearted but fair GM's made it for me. After several years I have to say that the attitudes towards customers and what is allowed to pass for interactions with the community is nothing but pathetic anymore.
CCP had one chance to save it's ass after Incarna and it has shown that it will still blunder just like it did before but will now redact, censure, insult and provoke it's customers. If you guys want to come to a decent light hearted forum with GM's that actually know what they are doing and where you can have banners and image linking directly in threads without the soup **** bastards come to the Mech Warrior Online forums.
I suspect a lot of us will be seeing each other there soon.
The EvE forums is half of the EvE experience for me, or at least used to be...
You could actually "play EvE at work". If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
420
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:13:00 -
[236] - Quote
The whole issue sounds to me less like one of moderation and more like one of ego.
I get the impression that a (limited) number of ISD forum mods have decided that rather than trying to manage and moderate the usual douchebaggery and annoyance that you usually find on forums, they have instead gone full tyrant and set out to crush all resistance to their authority.
You can get away with that, but only if you're respected by the majority of the people. At this point it's fair to say the ISD has probably gone too far and lost the support of a large number of those which would typically agree with them. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:15:00 -
[237] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program. Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition. Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators. Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder
Make it a warm friendly place by silencing the voices of descent. Sad.
|
Luis Graca
90
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:19:00 -
[238] - Quote
i don't get it
If "Eve is a cold harsh universe" and this forums are a part of EVE why shouldn't "Eve forums are a cold harsh universe" |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:22:00 -
[239] - Quote
Luis Graca wrote:i don't get it If "Eve is a cold harsh universe" and this forums are a part of EVE why shouldn't "Eve forums are a cold harsh universe"
Douchebaggery <> being harsh.
There are ways to express a lot, in a proper way. The Goons "FW LP" thread was left intact for days despite they were smug vs CCP themselves.
You don't need to have your mouth filled with abuse and trolling to look "cold and harsh". |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
99
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 10:24:00 -
[240] - Quote
I enjoy watching the nerdrage and the fists of [EvE] God crushing every malcontents soul.
This isn't a democracy. This is a dictatorship. You don't get to vote by committee how things are to be run around here. If you quit because of this, then I'll give you the proper goodbye salute and say "about your stuff, yeah, you know what I want".
Get out old forum sperglings.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [8] 9 10 11 12 .. 12 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |