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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 10:36:08 Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 10:27:28 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead In the Trinity conference room, meetings about to start. Will tweet with #csm6 hashtag #tweetfleet 13 minutes ago
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead First session is on Incarna & CQ for two hours #tweetfleet #csm6 8 minutes ago
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Discussing performance issues with CQ. #csm6 #tweetfleet 54 seconds ago
If you want to follow it yourself: Twitter CSM6
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Ehnea Mehk
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 10:14:56 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead In the Trinity conference room, meetings about to start. Will tweet with #csm6 hashtag #tweetfleet 13 minutes ago
Thank you for the information. Good luck with your meeting with the folk at CCP
Ehnea Ehnea Mehk
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:18:00 -
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I like these calm little moments before the storm.
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
Exotic Callgirl
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:22:00 -
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You do realize that they will be replaced with robots.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:24:00 -
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Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
There was an Idea that was Eve: whatever you possess, you gained on merit, however worthy or nefarious. Not because you had access to DaddyÆs credit card.....
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
doesn't matter. i have already docked my frighter with T2 salvage stuff to sell.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
doesn't matter. i have already docked my frighter with T2 salvage stuff to sell.
You use a freighter to haul salvage? That's a lot of salvage - NEVER PVP SOBER. |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:33:00 -
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Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
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Terion Fierceglade
Gallente Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:33:00 -
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I don't have an account on Twitter so it'll be interesting to follow it here instead. Maybe someone can provide some good entertainment in the thread while we're waiting for new updates.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Terion Fierceglade I don't have an account on Twitter so it'll be interesting to follow it here instead. Maybe someone can provide some good entertainment in the thread while we're waiting for new updates.
I've never used twitter before today, I signed up just for this.
You can follow it with this link: Twitter #csm6
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:36:00 -
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How many of the CSM are actually present, only see Trebor on twitter...
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
doesn't matter. i have already docked my frighter with T2 salvage stuff to sell.
You use a freighter to haul salvage? That's a lot of salvage
not really a lot. i use it just because i'm too lazy to be careful. i just go to bed while my frighter is autopiloting my stuff....
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Exotic Callgirl You do realize that they will be replaced with robots.
Nice face dude.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:40:00 -
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The theme of the meeting is based on the Nuremberg Trials.
Lets see which ones beleived in Incarna and which ones were "Following Orders".
-- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga How many of the CSM are actually present, only see Trebor on twitter...
I'm a nub with twitter, but the accounts I know of are: EliseRandolph Trebor_CSM csmwhitetree
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Draahk Chimera on 30/06/2011 10:41:09 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Discussing performance issues with CQ. #csm6 #tweetfleet 13 minutes ago
Uhm yeah. Thats good I guess. But what about NON-VANITY ITEMS IN NEX STORE?
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Exotic Callgirl You do realize that they will be replaced with robots.
dude your face!
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Langoss
Originally by: Exotic Callgirl You do realize that they will be replaced with robots.
dude your face!
My god, it is the embodiment of every Parents worst nightmare!
-- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:53:00 -
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They're going to release a joint statement by the look of it (OP updated) after the meeting, so nothing to see here.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera Edited by: Draahk Chimera on 30/06/2011 10:41:09 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Discussing performance issues with CQ. #csm6 #tweetfleet 13 minutes ago
Uhm yeah. Thats good I guess. But what about NON-VANITY ITEMS IN NEX STORE?
They haven't been wined/dined/schmoozed yet
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Othran They haven't been wined/dined/schmoozed yet
Have they offered you Monocles yet?
-- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:00:00 -
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I think they got free monocles
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:03:00 -
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Did they get free toilet paper to wipe up the spillage
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:08:00 -
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i think most of EVE hangs on what happens at this CSM Meeting, the tension is unbareable O_o
Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:09:00 -
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So, I don't get it. You said in a tweet "I just hope they don't intentionally leave out the pay2win issue".
So what? You guys are powerless to bring up subjects? You can ony talk about what CCP gives you PERMISSION to talk about...?!??!
If that's the case... yeah, this is going to go well..... NOT.
If they won't talk about it, shove it in their face! That is what you are there to do man!
Oh, and good luck. I wouldn't want to be in the room with those sharks when their is this much money at stake for them.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:11:00 -
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Sylthi, I don't think a CSM member said that.
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Asmodeus Et'Mort
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:12:00 -
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Why isnt MT being discussed first, its the reason the CSM were flown out in the first place? is hilmar there? are we getting an apology?
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Sylthi, I don't think a CSM member said that.
Yep, you're right, that was somebody else TO him. My bad. I don't do twitter, so made the syntax mistake. Thanks for catching that mate.
Cheers!
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:19:00 -
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Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We will not be tweeting specific details because we want to lock down exact details so there will be no misunderstandings #tweetfleet #csm6 52 seconds ago
Translation: "Hilmar just gave us the big FU and we'll wait until the end of the meetings before we talk about it."
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 11:25:55 @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead All the CSMs do have monocles, btw #csm6 #tweetfleet
Oh good for you you f*cker. You should have brought them a box of stupid monocles instead and immediately ask the big yellow question.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We will not be tweeting specific details because we want to lock down exact details so there will be no misunderstandings #tweetfleet #csm6 52 seconds ago
Translation: "Hilmar just gave us the big FU and we'll wait until the end of the meetings before we talk about it."
More like: "Hilmar just served us the big rotten Shark and we'll have to wait until we off toilet again in a few hours to continue the meeting"
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Lex Zen
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:27:00 -
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Posting at the bleeding edge of the rampaging herd of drama-llamas.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:27:00 -
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Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @ @Rotosequence No awesome or bull**** detected so far #csm6 #tweetfleet 3 minutes ago
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 30/06/2011 11:30:16 Well like any decent negotiator knows you don't storm into a meeting debating the hot issues first.
Its a game of give and take and buildup, honestly, its like your all wearing monocles of +15 impatience.
and its fermented shark. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 11:25:55 @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead All the CSMs do have monocles, btw #csm6 #tweetfleet
Oh good for you you f*cker. You should have brought them a box of stupid monocles instead and immediately ask the big yellow question.
To quote the Downfall CCP video "Maybe if they see us wearing them they'll be a little more freewheeling with their wallets...". See it here if you haven't already.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:39:00 -
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Maybe they really are trying to get the wheel back onto their beer truck.
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4949/impressivefailure.jpg
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
Can i assist with my 1400mm Howitzers?
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:42:00 -
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Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6 6 minutes ago
Not sure if I like where this is going. So they're showing the CSM how great AUR has been over the last few days.
Next up: "Imagine for a minute, just a minute... if we sold... SHIPS with AUR, wouldn't that be great?!"
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6 6 minutes ago
Not sure if I like where this is going. So they're showing the CSM how great AUR has been over the last few days.
Next up: "Imagine for a minute, just a minute... if we sold... SHIPS with AUR, wouldn't that be great?!"
Hilmar: Guys, we have sold over 9000 monocles by now, we are ze win.
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Dana Jass
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6 6 minutes ago
Not sure if I like where this is going. So they're showing the CSM how great AUR has been over the last few days.
Next up: "Imagine for a minute, just a minute... if we sold... SHIPS with AUR, wouldn't that be great?!"
I don't know why everyone is assuming the CSM are total morons. I mean, would that be enough to convince YOU to sign off on P2W? I'd imagine that showing sales figures for AUR stuff is gonna be relevant to discussing keeping/expanding the vanity-only items, and NeX pricing for those, which is another issue that CCP is gonna want to discuss with the CSM, but I seriously doubt that it's gonna persuade the CSM that P2W is a good idea; their main concern is keeping the game fun, not CCP's bottom line.
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Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
Can i assist with my 1400mm Howitzers?
I'll give you a hand with my vargur if this meeting fails.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:59:00 -
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What would be considered a success? I doubt we'll get much real news today.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dana Jass
Originally by: Harcosi Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6 6 minutes ago
Not sure if I like where this is going. So they're showing the CSM how great AUR has been over the last few days.
Next up: "Imagine for a minute, just a minute... if we sold... SHIPS with AUR, wouldn't that be great?!"
I don't know why everyone is assuming the CSM are total morons. I mean, would that be enough to convince YOU to sign off on P2W? I'd imagine that showing sales figures for AUR stuff is gonna be relevant to discussing keeping/expanding the vanity-only items, and NeX pricing for those, which is another issue that CCP is gonna want to discuss with the CSM, but I seriously doubt that it's gonna persuade the CSM that P2W is a good idea; their main concern is keeping the game fun, not CCP's bottom line.
The CSM know a lot more about Eve than I do. I'm not assuming they're morons, I'm assuming CCP are morons.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 12:06:12
Originally by: Dana Jass I don't know why everyone is assuming the CSM are total morons. I mean, would that be enough to convince YOU to sign off on P2W? I'd imagine that showing sales figures for AUR stuff is gonna be relevant to discussing keeping/expanding the vanity-only items, and NeX pricing for those, which is another issue that CCP is gonna want to discuss with the CSM, but I seriously doubt that it's gonna persuade the CSM that P2W is a good idea; their main concern is keeping the game fun, not CCP's bottom line.
I do hope so, too. I hope the CSM lets CCP show them all they have got to show and out of courtesy, but then advises against it all. If the CSM is really good can he argue that any projections coming of those first numbers are just speculation, but players clicking "unsubscribe" is a fact and something that can be worked with right now. --
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Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:05:00 -
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I don't think CSM is an assembly of "morons", but they have obviously only the power or hearing that CCP gives them. And CCP gave them in the last months considerably less than what would have been wise...
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:05:00 -
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My tone was a bit too harsh. I'm actually a bit more trusting in the CSM than my last post said.
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tika te
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:12:00 -
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Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @ @Eve_Beefcake This gives us background that will help in later discussion. Also the disclosure transparency is good
there has benn more than enough of discussions. now results and clear statements are what we all need. if it goes by the players nex shop should dissapear and all related discussion would also do. ccp should concentrate on ingame issues. unfortunatelly ccp won't do that.
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vain Eldritch on 30/06/2011 12:17:22
Originally by: Markus Jome
Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: Desert Ice78 Logging into Jita and locking lazers onto monument......
Can i assist with my 1400mm Howitzers?
I'll give you a hand with my vargur if this meeting fails.
In this situation, how do you define failure?
It would be highly amusing if the players signed an NDA and are unable talk about the meeting... ______________________________
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:17:00 -
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Quote: TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 10 seconds ago
OK as in Eve will survive will the subscribed people and CCP don't have to care, or there were enough people that unsubscribed to push CCP to listen?
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Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi All the CSMs do have monocles, btw #csm6 #tweetfleet
That's game over right there, isn't it?
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Bon Hedus
Amarr Voice of the Blood Raiders
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maplestone
Originally by: Harcosi All the CSMs do have monocles, btw #csm6 #tweetfleet
That's game over right there, isn't it?
I am assuming they mean real monocles for sarcasm purposes.
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Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bon Hedus I am assuming they mean real monocles for sarcasm purposes.
/facepalm
*wanders off to fix my sarcasm detector*
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:23:00 -
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Ordered a monocole minus the female boots, who even like those anyways? Hilmar is being a ###### Aurum time Okay, aurum is coming out
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Jail Baiter
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:27:00 -
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IT'S A TRAP!!! |
Juliette Red
K. Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:37:00 -
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Internet spaceships , serious business.
Some people really need to take everything said with a pinch of salt. Both parties want this to be a successful meeting , there will be compromise on both sides but I bet the outcome will be satisfactory to most people.
NEX will be here to stay IMO , but it will have massively reduced prices (99c per item etc), default will be ship spinning (and used for things like changing ships/refitting etc) with CQ required if you want to use NEX or any non ship related services (market etc)
It really isnt difficult to think that those changes can be made and most people will be happy as long is there is a guarantee that no pay-to-win MT will be put into EvE for say the next 3 years with a review conducted with that years CSM to see if its a viable oportunity. That gets us what people want to see now but leaves the door oopen if CCP wish to consider trying to change it.
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Charlie Ponzi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:45:00 -
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http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7844/sofark.jpg
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Zeet A'Dron
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lex Zen Posting at the bleeding edge of the rampaging herd of drama-llamas.
Just behind you getting a whiff of the various waste gases being emitted. |
Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:51:00 -
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Keep the tweets coming please? I 2 don't have this Twitter you speak of.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 12:54:11
Originally by: Jimmy Duce Keep the tweets coming please? I 2 don't have this Twitter you speak of.
They're on lunch at the moment, there hasn't been an update that I can see for the last 37 minutes.
I'm updating the OP whenever there's a new one, I'll bump it back up when there's an update.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:55:00 -
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This thread's going to go places.
I look forward to a day of enjoyable tinfoil hattery.
Mr Epeen
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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"TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 9 minutes ago"
After taking the company (CCP) line in his tentonhammer interview I really wonder what Mitten's definition of OK is........
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Alina Devore
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: tika te there has benn more than enough of discussions. now results and clear statements are what we all need. if it goes by the players nex shop should dissapear and all related discussion would also do. ccp should concentrate on ingame issues. unfortunatelly ccp won't do that.
Really? 'cos this player is happy with NeX sticking around for Vanity-only items, and I'm willing to put my faith in CCP abiding with vanity-only if they have said to the CSM and the playerbase that that is all it will ever be. Before anyone chimes in that CCP have broken promises like that before, no they haven't; all they've ever said was that at the point the statement was given they did not have MT plans for EVE.
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vain Eldritch Edited by: Vain Eldritch on 30/06/2011 12:17:22 It would be highly amusing if the players signed an NDA and are unable talk about the meeting...
All they would have to do is post a screenshot of their subscription being cancelled, and that will be the end of things.
You know... that saying coming back to prove useful... judge the meeting on what the CSM do and not what they say...
-G
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:04:00 -
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Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead On the schedule for the afternoon: The NEX - items, strategy, the present and future #csm6 #tweetfleet 55 seconds ago
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Juliette Red Internet spaceships , serious business.
Some people really need to take everything said with a pinch of salt. Both parties want this to be a successful meeting , there will be compromise on both sides but I bet the outcome will be satisfactory to most people.
NEX will be here to stay IMO , but it will have massively reduced prices (99c per item etc), default will be ship spinning (and used for things like changing ships/refitting etc) with CQ required if you want to use NEX or any non ship related services (market etc)
It really isnt difficult to think that those changes can be made and most people will be happy as long is there is a guarantee that no pay-to-win MT will be put into EvE for say the next 3 years with a review conducted with that years CSM to see if its a viable oportunity. That gets us what people want to see now but leaves the door oopen if CCP wish to consider trying to change it.
I can only assume you work for CCP with that post, people can't be that neieve!
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:07:00 -
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Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. 'Metrics' is just the newspeak term for statistics and is only used by politicians and companies who belive 'metrics' will coax more trust from an audience than 'statistics'.
Please help protect the english language.
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Phrometeus Hyks
Caldari INTRUSION COUNTERMEASURES ELECTRONICS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:09:00 -
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shhhh....
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. ...
Please help protect the english language.
"Metrics" arose from the difficulty many people have saying "statistics."
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Nilania Telshua
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. 'Metrics' is just the newspeak term for statistics and is only used by politicians and companies who belive 'metrics' will coax more trust from an audience than 'statistics'.
Please help protect the english language.
But... metrix sounds so hot.. like.. metrosexual..
Newspeak when Realspeak gets just old.
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: ISquishWorms on 30/06/2011 13:13:21 Via Twitter:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead On the schedule for the afternoon: The NEX - items, strategy, the present and future #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 13:13:27 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet 1 minute ago
in reply to:
Treehead Treehead Woodfist @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:14:00 -
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Treehead: @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
Trebor_CSM: @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Mr FourEyes
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:16:00 -
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so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:17:00 -
[74]
Bet what will come from this is 10000 AUR to everyone to get NEX moving.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Mr FourEyes so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
Kinda hard to tell with only a few tweets here and there
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 13:18:40
Originally by: Mr FourEyes so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
From the tweets it sounds as though CCP decides what to talk about and when to talk about it?
Originally by: Jada Maroo Bet what will come from this is 10000 AUR to everyone to get NEX moving.
I hope not, I'd prefer my characters to have 0 AUR.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
[77]
I must say so far it looks like a presentation by CCP and not a discussion at all. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:20:00 -
[78]
Trebor_CSM: @Karthwritte Current meeting: Zinfandel and Noble Exchange people, Navigator, Zulu #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Alina Devore
Originally by: tika te there has benn more than enough of discussions. now results and clear statements are what we all need. if it goes by the players nex shop should dissapear and all related discussion would also do. ccp should concentrate on ingame issues. unfortunatelly ccp won't do that.
Really? 'cos this player is happy with NeX sticking around for Vanity-only items, and I'm willing to put my faith in CCP abiding with vanity-only if they have said to the CSM and the playerbase that that is all it will ever be. Before anyone chimes in that CCP have broken promises like that before, no they haven't; all they've ever said was that at the point the statement was given they did not have MT plans for EVE.
So you will be happy if they say vanity only? Well you are right, they didn't promise no MT they SAID no MT last year... Now think about the time it actually took to integrate the NEX into Eve... I say atleast 6 months prior to release.. So, that would mean that CCP's statements are at most good for 6 months..... Well less if you figure in all the drawing board time and the marketing analysis.. So reality is this:
Even if CCP SAYS no non-vanity MT for Eve you get maybe 2-3 months before they start up the process again... MT is here to stay and it is going to get worse.. It has too. CCP is being very smart about the roll out so far (minus the leaks). Where it is going to come back and bite everyone in the arse is after Dust is released:
Dust= MT for advantage based game (I could careless if it were stand alone) + Dust= Per CCP statements in the RPS interview will impact 0.0 sov warefare. Planetary conflict will player a larger part in sov mechanics = Game altering MT in Eve by proxy.
That is the crack in the dam that will cause it to burst....
RPS Interview "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Dust Beginnings blog "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
I am sorry... The plans are already there. They aren't changing. Full blown MT is going to happen no matter how many times we call BS. CCP has invested too much time and money into the concept and plan to reverse course now...
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:25:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Cordran Li Trebor_CSM: @Karthwritte Current meeting: Zinfandel and Noble Exchange people, Navigator, Zulu #csm6 #tweetfleet
If only we had elected an al Qaida!
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rex Liberium on 30/06/2011 13:26:52 I dont have twitter, but can anybody twitter: @Trebor_CSM MT for NON-vanity items? Yes or NO? #tweetfleet #CSM6
?? I think we have waited long enough for that answer.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:28:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Cordran Li Treehead: @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
Trebor_CSM: @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet
Did anyone else's spin BS detector fly off the scale?
What company WOULDN'T be interested in correcting the mess - and more importantly the crap PR.
Trebor - if you don't want to sound like CCPs PR guy then STFU until you have something substantial to say. Really.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:29:00 -
[83]
The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
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weat bix
Caldari 40 Thieves
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:31:00 -
[84]
Originally by: BtodaC The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
Please do not forget to add ccp's "at this time" every thing ccp says is only at this time and we all know this time last only for a second
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intellnotfound
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:32:00 -
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People on here are still really missing the point. Its not only about the store and the P2W.
There are loads of issues surrounding eve that have been there for years. THis was just the iceing on the cake for a lot of people.
If I am being brutaly honest here, the CSM is what 8 people out there at the moment. What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people. Its easy to pursuade 8 people into your way of thinking and then let the CSM convince us. Dispite how this meeting goes today, I am going to wait for actual results. When I see bugs being fixed, ballance issues sorted out, CQ given the option to switch it off and go back to hanger view, patches start to be applied properly, botters being dealt with in a timely manner, etc etc.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:36:00 -
[86]
They are all in a meeting ... ... what are we waiting for? --
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:39:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Whitehound They are all in a meeting ... ... what are we waiting for?
Shenanigans... - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:40:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: El'Niaga
EliseRandolph
hum who is that ? i don't see his EVE name on his twitter account :/
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:45:00 -
[89]
'What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people.'
They tried to in the dev blogs but the forum warriors don't bother reading them. In the last year CCP has clearly communicated to the players bug fixes, lag improvements, and even finally making the difference between BPO's and BPC's. To suggest that they haven't been working hard on refining the game is only a display of your own failure to read the dev blogs.
I would hope CCP would have grasped the urgent need to reintroduce the ship spinning screen as the alternative to captains quarters on day one of the new builds release.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:47:00 -
[90]
EliseRandolph is Elise Randolph in game.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:47:00 -
[91]
Would someone please tweet them a question if we'll be getting out ship spinning hangar back? ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:47:00 -
[92]
Originally by: BtodaC 'What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people.'
They tried to in the dev blogs but the forum warriors don't bother reading them.
you mean by saing
I have 100$ pants, I buy them so that other can tell how cool I am, and that's pay monocles are expensive. That was pretty painful it's all across the non-eve internet. For years to come when other mmos are doing the same that will now be the meme.
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weat bix
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:48:00 -
[93]
The problem is that the ceo has told everyone to ignore the players and so we can only hope that the csm will not be ignored. A tiny hope it may be but hope non the less.
in our hour of darkness, Hilmar's Law "watch what they do Ignore what they say" |
WlliamRyker
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:50:00 -
[94]
Quote this if you think that two years of contentless, fixless and balanceless expansions won't even be mentioned.
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Toterra
Lobster Exogalactic
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:50:00 -
[95]
Just to be clear... almost no-one is ****ed about the $70 monocle or any of the prices... just flabergasted.
What we are ****ed about is the seeming shift to non-vanity items. What we are ****ed about is the mandatory nature of CQ and the crappy/temporary hanger door screen.
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Peril Spellbinder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:52:00 -
[96]
Originally by: WlliamRyker Quote this if you think that two years of contentless, fixless and balanceless expansions won't even be mentioned.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:52:00 -
[97]
Originally by: WlliamRyker Quote this if you think that two years of contentless, fixless and balanceless expansions won't even be mentioned.
+1
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intellnotfound
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:52:00 -
[98]
Originally by: BtodaC 'What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people.'
They tried to in the dev blogs but the forum warriors don't bother reading them. In the last year CCP has clearly communicated to the players bug fixes, lag improvements, and even finally making the difference between BPO's and BPC's. To suggest that they haven't been working hard on refining the game is only a display of your own failure to read the dev blogs.
I would hope CCP would have grasped the urgent need to reintroduce the ship spinning screen as the alternative to captains quarters on day one of the new builds release.
Ok before you get on your high horse I do read dev blogs, but in this latest stream of events, where in any dev blog are CCP directly engaging its customers on the current issues. I think you will find its non existant and when one tried a titanthread started at the starter of the post was suddenly taken ill.
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Tvastar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:54:00 -
[99]
Cheers , I owe you a cold one!
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Jolteon Taylor
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:54:00 -
[100]
I do hope the attendees are wearing their best clothing, perhaps some $1000 jeans?
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Toterra
Lobster Exogalactic
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:54:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Toterra on 30/06/2011 13:55:00
Originally by: Peril Spellbinder
Originally by: WlliamRyker Quote this if you think that two years of contentless, fixless and balanceless expansions won't even be mentioned.
Quoted. CCP won't mention it but I am sure the CSM will!
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:55:00 -
[102]
Originally by: WlliamRyker Quote this if you think that two years of contentless, fixless and balanceless expansions won't even be mentioned.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:55:00 -
[103]
I think the pricing of the the items in the nex store are stupid, but my post had nothing to do with that. I was pointing out some of the small improvements that have made massive improvements to the game. When I went to my first fleet fight their were 300 people in one system and lag was about 60 seconds, thats if the sever didn't drop your connection. They have added more ships, more modules, wormhole space etc etc. There is much more they can do, there always has been and there always will be but the game we play now is a substatially bigger and better that the one I started playing several years ago. I still miss the nano gangs though
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:56:00 -
[104]
Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.
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weat bix
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:57:00 -
[105]
Originally by: intellnotfound
Originally by: BtodaC 'What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people.'
They tried to in the dev blogs but the forum warriors don't bother reading them. In the last year CCP has clearly communicated to the players bug fixes, lag improvements, and even finally making the difference between BPO's and BPC's. To suggest that they haven't been working hard on refining the game is only a display of your own failure to read the dev blogs.
Same dev blog where they spoke about $1000 pants and ignored our question Where they got all upset with the way players spoke about them and their ideas but felt it was fine to belittle the players and ignore them?
in our hour of darkness, Hilmar's Law "watch what they do Ignore what they say" |
JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:01:00 -
[106]
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 30/06/2011 14:01:44
Originally by: Whitehound They are all in a meeting ... ... what are we waiting for?
WOAH! That face in the center definatelly has a KICK ASS monocle! I would buy a thing like that if it could do light tricks inside a dim lit bar!
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:01:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Jolteon Taylor I do hope the attendees are wearing their best clothing, perhaps some $1000 jeans?
Ofcousre they are!
CCP Zulu would have told then to GTFO if not!
Zulu FTL
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:04:00 -
[108]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We just went through the pricing decisions for NEX initial rollout. #tweetfleet #csm6 2 minutes ago
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:04:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kira Summer on 30/06/2011 14:04:29 well only 8 csm members are in attendance according to twitter. Presumably others couldn't make it.
Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
Does this send an unspoken statement to CCP, do what you like.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:04:00 -
[110]
Has anyone at CCP indicated they will assign devs to the in space part of eve or is it going to be all incarna-transactions?
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Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:05:00 -
[111]
The problem at the moment is the CSM is just making jokes, CCP is being quite, and we are left getting NO information yet again.. oh that's right it's all under NDA.
We've had zip really in proper appology for how certain CCP members have talked about the players both rather publically and even in game (help channel anyone).
We've had poor pan thrown at us.. and then nothing said from that.
We where told 30th we'd get information.. Yet hey instead the CSM just go on about stuipid 1000$ pants and how they can't say anything because of NDA..
So let me guess, no one thought to take a Laptop into the meeting with them? Not ONE of them thought to do a RUNNING blog of what was being said or done.. oh.. no that's right that would require our CSM to not just bow over to CCP every five minutes.. that would mean that they actually had a purpose other then being a giant PR stunt.
the CSM needs to start communicating, CCP Needs to start communicating..
and not with just Each other.. but also with us.. this is NOT the 90's these meetings should be being streamed and we should have the right to both watch and know what is going on.. it's called Transparency.. oh hang on that's right CCP doesn't know the meaning of that.. they only seem to know how to lie to us of late.
Yeah I'm bitter, lets face it CCP and the CSM haven't exactly gone out of their way to prove we should believe or trust any of them any more, and this seems to be another example of it.. screw the NDA's and screw the lack of communication, a week is too long as it is.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:06:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Kira Summer
Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
I don't know... maybe a JOB?
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:08:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kira Summer Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
check whole forum and you will find anything what "you" (i mean "Eve community") want - no MT - no NEX shop - monocles - elite monocles - SP for money - training of chars in 1 account for money - increasing training speed for money - shortening training time at all - quit - etc...
Not sure "you" (i mean "Eve community") can get it all at the same time
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Raellah
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:08:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kira Summer Edited by: Kira Summer on 30/06/2011 14:04:29Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
Does this send an unspoken statement to CCP, do what you like.
Not everyone is in the happy position where they can just drop everything to jet off to iceland. If this were held over the weekend you may indeed see more attendees; as it stands though, it's highly likely the non-attenders couldn't get time off work/arrange childcare/move other commitments etc.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:08:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 14:09:58
Originally by: Kane Molou the CSM needs to start communicating
They're going to make a joint statement after the meeting. I'm not sure how long after the meeting though.
light_speed_i Light Speed Interact @Trebor_CSM Was the CSM reaction positive to the reasoning, or skeptical? 5 minutes ago
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @light_speed_i Let's just say we think mistakes were made. #csm6 #tweetfleet 3 minutes ago
Can someone keep posting updates from twitter to this thread? It's after midnight here.
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:08:00 -
[116]
Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
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Isaak Faide
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:09:00 -
[117]
Yep, job and family.
I just started planned holidays with my wife and kiddies. If I was on the CSM and had to say 'sorry honey, kids, but I have to go to Iceland right in the middle of my planned vacation with you because of a crisis in a video game I play online', well, that may not go over too well indeed.
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Righteous Deeds
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:10:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Snake Scofield Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.
Except they're not free, but are funded by subscription revenues. Not a gift, just another kind of business strategy.
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Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar Stark Industries PtyLtd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:10:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Kira Summer Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
So you're suggesting they should be able to drop everything at less than a week's notice to jet off to Iceland and talk about spaceships on the internet? They may hold important positions as far as the game goes, but it doesn't change the fact it's just a game, so ranks in importance below pretty much anything else IRL regardless. Personally I'm shocked so many of them managed it.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
http://i.imgur.com/XUYBV.jpg
We can all say we know you now!
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Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr Completely Bored Senseless
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:11:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
This is complete and utter crap. This situation came up way too late for many to take time off work. Especially since for the US and Canada this is a HOLIDAY WEEKEND!
If I had gone for the CSM I wouldn't be there either. I have plans this weekend, plans that are far more important than an online game. Not to mention a business to run.
To the CSM that were able to make it, thanks for your time.
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Discrodia
Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:11:00 -
[122]
/popcorn
Now let's see whether EVE actually descends into the inferno or not.
Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:12:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Harcosi They're going to make a joint statement after the meeting. I'm not sure how long after the meeting though.
Anyone else find it odd that they plan on issuing a joint statement as of the BEGINNING of the meeting? I.e. nothing's been discussed yet, and the CSM ought not to be sure if they're going to be drinking CCP's kool-aid yet.
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:12:00 -
[124]
Time for some new CSM's, or get rid of CSM's all together. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:14:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Harcosi Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 14:09:58
Originally by: Kane Molou the CSM needs to start communicating
They're going to make a joint statement after the meeting. I'm not sure how long after the meeting though.
light_speed_i Light Speed Interact @Trebor_CSM Was the CSM reaction positive to the reasoning, or skeptical? 5 minutes ago
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @light_speed_i Let's just say we think mistakes were made. #csm6 #tweetfleet 3 minutes ago
Can someone keep posting updates from twitter to this thread? It's after midnight here.
After mid night here so can't help there going to bed myself, and honestly a 'joint statement' shouldn't be needed this is 2011 last time i checked, If i can podcast or live stream from rural australia.. with nothing but a 3G phone, then ahh the CSM can do a rolling blog in Iceland, or even better a Live cam run of the meetings.. rather then crappy 72 character msg'n
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:14:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Originally by: Snake Scofield Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.
Except they're not free, but are funded by subscription revenues. Not a gift, just another kind of business strategy.
No, subscriptions fund gameplay, server costs etc. 10 expansions for everquest 2 over 7 years, none free. 3 major expansions to WoW over 6 years full retail box price. In addition to subscription. Of course you watch the rage should they think of charging to develop a content packed expansion.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:15:00 -
[127]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead So far we have been doing a post-mortem. Discussions about future come later. #csm6 #tweetfleet 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:16:00 -
[128]
You can't be serious. This meeting is nothing but a pr stunt. CCP knows what they are going to do before they meet with CSM. They decided to call the csm meeting for several reasons: 1) To buy time - read ccp pann's post she admitted she was doing that. 2) To appear that they really care what the csm and players says 3) To make it appear they are not reacting to the outrage on the forums. 4) They know CSM6 will help them. CSM 6 will want to make this meeting appear as a success for their individual political gain. So they know csm will lap up what ever concessions CCP already decided to give and claim victory. 5) To try to calm the outrage on the forums. "please wait until after this meeting"
CCP did not call this meeting to hear mittani and company's analysis of how they should run their business. If anyone thinks different they are trulyhopelessly naive.
Its not like they are going to change their mind based on what csm says at this meeting. If anyone wants to know what the players want they can read the boards.
Originally by: Kira Summer Edited by: Kira Summer on 30/06/2011 14:04:29 well only 8 csm members are in attendance according to twitter. Presumably others couldn't make it.
Short of a family emergency I wonder why those that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this.
Does this send an unspoken statement to CCP, do what you like.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
We will have to see. It might just be that this whole thing, the expansion, the protest, the meeting and the CSM is just all fail.
If it is then those who stayed at home already knew it was coming. If this does not to turn out to be just one disappointment then we need to look at the CSM again. In case of a success will the CSM have gained power as well as trust of the players. --
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Amber Helfer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 -
[130]
are we going to have to wait 2/3 months to get the minutes of this meeting too?
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 14:17:40 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet 3 minutes ago
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Already some things that I know people will respond positively to. #csm6 #tweetfleet 4 minutes ago
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 -
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DON'T FORGET PEOPLE,
The CCPs has complete control over CSM as a medium via NDA.
They convince CSM "Its your job to do whats best, convincing them to get along is whats best."
And then they give them NDA to sign, and then cover EVERYTHING in the meeting that follows.
EVERYTHING IS THEN COVERED.
Then CCP simply tells CSM "Ok, you can say this, and this, and that, and this.
i.e. everything the CCP wants them to say.
Since they don't have much else to say, and they are CSM... they say this and this and that and this.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 -
[133]
Some posters need to learn the value of patience and stop behaving like spoilt children screaming 'I WANT IT NOW' I look forward to the outcome of this meeting and would rather have a well thought out response to the criticisms than a rushed, half baked, load of trash. Whatever the response from this meeting will be, even if CCP reversed the last patch in its entirety and sacked various devs (and even dropped them in a volcano) it would not satisfy some players.
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Raellah
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
This isn't exactly the norm for the CSM delegates. There's 8 of them there already, i'm sure that's enough to get the point across. Not all managers are sympathetic to last minute flights to iceland to sort out issues with internet spaceship games. Geddit.
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Hustler Funk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Harcosi Can someone keep posting updates from twitter to this thread? It's after midnight here.
Thanks for keeping track of the Twitterings going on over there. Go get some rest. Anger olli= does not particularly concerned John. |
Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:20:00 -
[136]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @Trebor_CSM: BTW, John Turbefield, the Man, the Legend, the Monocle! http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj #tweetfleet #csm6 3 minutes ago
Going to bed, hopefully someone can paste the tweets here for the people who can't check twitter.
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Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:20:00 -
[137]
We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
Already some things that I know people will respond positively to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
see so already we've been screwed over.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:21:00 -
[138]
You think the FORUM propoganda is something.....
You aint seen nothin yets.
Wait til we get the "SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE SKYROCKETING, HOURLY, EVE NOW HAS 3 Trillion Unique Players, per system, rotating in every 30 minutes. AND THEY ALL OWN MONOCLES. What do you want us to do? we are a business after all. If you guys had said soemthing, maybe we would have rethunk through things, but you all seem so happy with the CCP's and INCARNA."
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:21:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk DON'T FORGET PEOPLE,
The CCPs has complete control over CSM as a medium via NDA.
They convince CSM "Its your job to do whats best, convincing them to get along is whats best."
And then they give them NDA to sign, and then cover EVERYTHING in the meeting that follows.
EVERYTHING IS THEN COVERED.
An NDA means diddly squat. A non compete agreement convenent is what CCP should have had them all sign.
Then CCP simply tells CSM "Ok, you can say this, and this, and that, and this.
i.e. everything the CCP wants them to say.
Since they don't have much else to say, and they are CSM... they say this and this and that and this.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:21:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Harcosi They're going to make a joint statement after the meeting. I'm not sure how long after the meeting though.
Anyone else find it odd that they plan on issuing a joint statement as of the BEGINNING of the meeting? I.e. nothing's been discussed yet, and the CSM ought not to be sure if they're going to be drinking CCP's kool-aid yet.
CCP knows they are offering some "concessions" and they also know CSM will be quick to claim any concessions as a victory for their own individual political gain.
The rest of this meeting - showing graphs and demographics - is just the dog and pony show. They could have signed what CCP was going to offer in the first five minutes and been done with it. But then people would see this for what it really is - a pr stunt.
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:21:00 -
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Like I said a family emergency would be a reason for not attending and an already family booked holiday I would reckon in there. But please don't tell me people cannot get a couple of days off from work or from their business to attend this.
I have worked and run a successful business and if I run for election in something, regardless of whether its a game, or local politics or more and the future of what I asked people to vote me to do for them is at risk then I would feel morally obligated to attend.
Anyone here saying its impossible to get a couple of days off work or from their business is talking BS.
Plenty promises made to get our votes like any other politician
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:22:00 -
[142]
Thanks, Harcosi.
Can someone take over his job? And perhaps colourize the copied tweet messages, please? --
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Sir Hillary
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:23:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Kira Summer Anyone here saying its impossible to get a couple of days off work or from their business is talking BS.
You've never met my boss obviously.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC Some posters need to learn the value of patience and stop behaving like spoilt children screaming 'I WANT IT NOW' I look forward to the outcome of this meeting and would rather have a well thought out response to the criticisms than a rushed, half baked, load of trash. Whatever the response from this meeting will be, even if CCP reversed the last patch in its entirety and sacked various devs (and even dropped them in a volcano) it would not satisfy some players.
Simply saying "No-Non-Vanity items, and now Spaceflight<->Docked<->CQ" would be massive. Enough to quell the protester atmosphere.
CCP knows this. CSM know this. The players know this. The guy down the street, who's never played EVE, knows this.
Yet they arent saying it.
Its not a matter of miscommunication or language or anythign else.
Its a matter of, we are going to do it anyways, and we think you are stupid enough to sit around and accept it in time. LAUNCH THE FORUM PROPOGANDA ARES>
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 14:24:39
Originally by: BtodaC The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
The CSM's do have bargaining power US. The Players CCP has to know that the players are not happy. and if they want to keep us all playing they have choices to make A lot of the player base united to show its disapproval, either by the ship protest or the,unsubbing of accounts when ccp refused to listen. Right now there are a whole lot more players that have their fingers hovering over the unsub button CCP has to know what is at stake they **** us off and the golden geese fly from the coop
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Helfer are we going to have to wait 2/3 months to get the minutes of this meeting too?
No this is csm 6s golden egg. They will be quick to claim what great work they did in getting CCP to agree not to allow non vanity items in the nex store.
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Zizy Fotheringham
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:27:00 -
[147]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Already some things that I know people will respond positively to. #csm6 #tweetfleet 13 minutes ago _____
No details tho.
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Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:28:00 -
[148]
You don't have to be on twitter just to follow what is being posted: http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23csm6 refresh when it says "new tweet"
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Tiven loves Tansien
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:28:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Tiven loves Tansien on 30/06/2011 14:29:07
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Originally by: Snake Scofield Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.
Except they're not free, but are funded by subscription revenues. Not a gift, just another kind of business strategy.
No, subscriptions fund gameplay, server costs etc. 10 expansions for everquest 2 over 7 years, none free. 3 major expansions to WoW over 6 years full retail box price. In addition to subscription. Of course you watch the rage should they think of charging to develop a content packed expansion.
Oh really?
Please do compare our expansions (in EVE) with the expansions in WoW, Everquest, etc.
Content, yo, wut?
Anyway, i would be 200% cool if they started charging expansions but got rid of the stupid MicroTransactions plague, and also provide some content with them.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:28:00 -
[150]
Originally by: vasuul Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 14:24:39
Originally by: BtodaC The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
The CSM's do have bargaining power US. The Players CCP has to know that the players are not happy. and if they want to keep us all playing they have choices to make A lot of the player base united to show its disapproval, either by the ship protest or the,unsubbing of accounts when ccp refused to listen. Right now there are a whole lot more players that have their fingers hovering over the unsub button CCP has to know what is at stake they **** us off and the golden geese fly from the coop
ABSOLUTELY.
If the CSM stood up and said "Enough is enough, make the following changes or we quit."
CCP would listen.
The leadership of EVE all leaving together, would have REAL effect on the players who are on the fence about staying/leaving. Its a lot of people.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: vasuul The CSM's do have bargaining power US. ...
You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.
Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk The leadership of EVE
This made me seriously lol.
CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.
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Nilania Telshua
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:33:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Originally by: Snake Scofield Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.
Except they're not free, but are funded by subscription revenues. Not a gift, just another kind of business strategy.
No, subscriptions fund gameplay, server costs etc. 10 expansions for everquest 2 over 7 years, none free. 3 major expansions to WoW over 6 years full retail box price. In addition to subscription. Of course you watch the rage should they think of charging to develop a content packed expansion.
You as most "eve-expansions-are-free" people fail to realize a simple fact:
"expansion in EVE" = "content-patch in other Games"
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:33:00 -
[155]
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: vasuul The CSM's do have bargaining power US. ...
You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.
Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.
yeah, fair enough.
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Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:35:00 -
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evenews24Eve News24 Online
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@Trebor_CSM #csm6 Don't get me wrong bro, but am not getting good vibes, hope just to be part of my cynism... and wrong intel...
7 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
evenews24Eve News24 Online
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@jo_segers @Trebor_CSM #CSM6 Yellow question: AUR for NON-vanity items, is the CSM doing rodeos or just forgot why they are there for?
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jo_segersJo Segers
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@Trebor_CSM @evenews24 Yellow question: AUR for NON-vanity items
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Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
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@jo_segers That stuff will be handled tomorrow.
evenews24Eve News24 Online
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@Trebor_CSM #CSM6 nice 2 see u guys being happy, what about the Big Yellow Question, or are they predictably saving it for tomorrow?
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Seleene_EVESeleene
RT @Trebor_CSM: BTW, John Turbefield, the Man, the Legend, the Monocle! http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj #tweetfleet #csm6#eveonline
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just to dump it in.. you know everythings 'tomorrow'
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 14:36:47 RT @Trebor_CSM: BTW, John Turbefield, the Man, the Legend, the Monocle! http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj #tweetfleet #csm6 #eveonline
http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj lol
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:36:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk The leadership of EVE
This made me seriously lol.
CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.
And so their leaving would have minimal effect on you. As it would have a minimal effect on a lot of players. But there are also A LOT of players, who are still subbed, still playing, who would absolutely cancel if the whole of CSM quit together.
But yeah, i dont see that happening. The CSM, as someone pointed out, is going to assist CCP instead of holding it to whats right.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Summer Anyone here saying its impossible to get a couple of days off work or from their business is talking BS.
Plenty promises made to get our votes like any other politician
One of the CSM's (not sure which) did say, when the meeting was first announced, that those who couldn't be there in person would join in by Skype or streaming.
And, lets face it, there could be numerous reasons why they couldn't make it... like no flights, for instance.
Calm down, be patient, see what occurs. There will be plenty of time for pitchforks when the meeting is over tomorrow.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:38:00 -
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Yeah but they don't want to quit. Hell Mittani never claimed anything was wrong with what ccp did other than how it ran its public relations.
They want to remain alliance leaders in eve and on the csm to get free trips to iceland. So they are going to take what ccp offers and claim victory - as if their expert negotiating tactics won the day.
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: vasuul If the CSM stood up and said "Enough is enough, make the following changes or we quit."
CCP would listen.
The leadership of EVE all leaving together, would have REAL effect on the players who are on the fence about staying/leaving. Its a lot of people.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:39:00 -
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Quote: The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatÆs different ) Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donÆt sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums. Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.
The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nilania Telshua
You as most "eve-expansions-are-free" people fail to realize a simple fact:
"expansion in EVE" = "content-patch in other Games"
More pennypinchin freeloading scum. How much was the trinity expansion? Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.
Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.
Look at this thread, can't even wait till a meeting is concluded before bringing out the pitchforks. How dare they not involve me in the setting of the agenda.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.
If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 30/06/2011 14:43:43 Edited by: Ciar Meara on 30/06/2011 14:43:01
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: vasuul The CSM's do have bargaining power US. ...
You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.
Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.
Having read mittani's blogs I agree with them. They are the opinion of many others, I don't dislike Incarna when they get their act together, and vanity MT are just that. Top hats for fancy walking.
Mittani's opinions about non-vanity stuff and other gamebalancing needs are clear though.
I trust Trebor also, he seems like an intelligent and thoughtfull guy. At the very least they can relay our fears and then its up to common sense really.
I like the way they do a staggared approach to this stuff, if after a few hours the CSM allready has some good news from CCP that bodes well (for now).
Originally by: jackaloped
If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.
Just a tip: important people = harder to leave on short notice, not easier. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:42:00 -
[165]
Originally by: BtodaC
Quote: The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatÆs different ) Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donÆt sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums. Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.
The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.
Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers solid answer and instead of getting them the CSM is giving us the run around to, why wait 2 days? Why not give a summery of each meeting, and a total summery at the end of the day.. then the same tomorrow and at the end the joint statement as to how / what etc they think the entire meeting happened..
The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want because NONE of US truely knows anything that is going on.. the is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:43:00 -
[166]
Originally by: BtodaC
Quote: The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatÆs different ) Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donÆt sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums. Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.
The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.
Darn, where's the thumbs up emoticon when you need one? Seconded, anyway.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:43:00 -
[167]
In related news:
Originally by: Reuters.com Headline: Worldwide Aluminum Shortage Predicted
The aluminum manufacturing giant, Alcan, has today ramped up production 300% due to an unprecedented run on it's tinfoil products. Experts have conflicting opinions but all agree the epicenter is the small North Atlantic nation of Iceland.
Update to follow..
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 -
[168]
Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Kira Summer Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.
You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.
Lol you obviously have a mental age of about 5 if you cannot read what I wrote in full. I had a successful business and I worked( past tense tard geddit) Now I am retired and have no need to work alongside you at any fast food outlet.
Had I wanted a CSM job I would have ensured I would carry out promises made all over chat in local when I would have been grubbing for votes, same as CSM members were doing back in early part of the year.
But I didn't because I knew I wouldn't want to fulfill the obligations expected to fulfill those promises.
So go crawl back into your little hole and learn to read. BTW Quater means Quarter I suppose tard.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk The leadership of EVE
This made me seriously lol.
CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.
This
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Sir Hillary
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:46:00 -
[170]
Originally by: jackaloped Hell Mittani never claimed anything was wrong with what ccp did other than how it ran its public relations.
Good thing too. While you might not think it from the forums, there are a lot of people who don't think any of what has been going on is a big deal. The 2 corps I'm involved in, membership of one overall doesn't really care, and of the other supports extra shineys to give us more valuable stuff to blow up. As in all things like this, it's important everyone is represented.
Personally my only concern is that introducing items that require nothing to manufacture will break the economy.
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:46:00 -
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Exactly as predicted, CCP decided what was going to happen a long time ago and this meeting with the CSM is nothing more than damage control and an attempt to re-focus the attention of the press. The tone of the tweets already indicates the CSM members are going to accept whatever CCP's plans are.
Sounds like lots boot licking going on during the day, lots of drinking with their dev buddies at night.
This meeting should have been broadcast live or members of the press should have been invited to report live. As it is, I remain entirely skeptical of anything said by any of the participants. Sorry, but it will take more than a few "everything is wonderful" tweets to change the perception that this is anything but a farce.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Clavian Voi Exactly as predicted, CCP decided what was going to happen a long time ago and this meeting with the CSM is nothing more than damage control and an attempt to re-focus the attention of the press. The tone of the tweets already indicates the CSM members are going to accept whatever CCP's plans are.
Sounds like lots boot licking going on during the day, lots of drinking with their dev buddies at night.
This meeting should have been broadcast live or members of the press should have been invited to report live. As it is, I remain entirely skeptical of anything said by any of the participants. Sorry, but it will take more than a few "everything is wonderful" tweets to change the perception that this is anything but a farce.
I worry about this. But Ill wait till the end of the meeting but looks like i wont be playing eve anymore in the near future.
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Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar Stark Industries PtyLtd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 -
[173]
Seleene_EVESeleene #CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 14:49:34
nvm, I posted the same tweet as Xythe ^
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:51:00 -
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i was not saying the CSM own the players i was making an analogy of the situation analogy ::Our CSM's are the strike negotiators we are the ****ed off union employees
The CSM are there to look after our interests and be our voice to CCP i was merely stating this is like a strike negotiation, hopefully it comes up with a settlement we can all be happy with. CCP should have a vested interest in making their player-base happy again im sure none of them want to be laid off in this economy either way we are all watching and waiting to see how it comes out .
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lilol' me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:51:00 -
[176]
just dont think i can ever trust anything that CCP says ever, i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: jackaloped
If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.
Just a tip: important people = harder to leave on short notice, not easier.
Tip thats what I said. If they are not important then they can take off on a days notice and ccp probably shouldn't care what they say. But CCP doesn't care what they say anyways. So it really doesn't matter.
If you are convinced that CCP called this meeting because they really want to hear how trebor and white tree and mittani think they should run their business thats fine. But for people with half a brain its pretty clear this a pr dog and pony show.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 -
[178]
If when the meeting ended half the CSMs canceled there accounts it would be a PR disaster for CCP.
I doubt the CSMs have those kind of balls.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 -
[179]
Originally by: lilol' me just dont think i can ever trust anything that CCP says ever, i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'
That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 -
[180]
Quote: members of the press
CNN or Fox?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:53:00 -
[181]
Twas the hour of meeting, and all through the thread, not a creature was stirring, not even a dred. The noobs were all hung, by their innards with care, in hopes that GMs, would soon be there.
The pirates were nestled, all clustered by drones, as they sat upon piles of dead foes' bones, Some chick pod pilot flew by in her cap, while I settled down for a no CQ nap.
When out of the station there rose such a clang, I shouted out, "hey who's flyin this thang?" Away to my ship, I lagged down the hall, trying to get to my pod pilot ball.
I tried to undock, but my ship didn't work, damn this siht is gonna drive me berserk! so instead I jumped and got out of there, fracking cq, it messed up my hair!
So we wait on the question, the yellow one there, they can't answer, does it give them a scare? We'll wait some more and give it a day, and watch what they do and not what they say.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:53:00 -
[182]
Are we getting the hangar back or not? That's all I need to know!!!
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:56:00 -
[183]
Jeez, let's try to keep this calm. Right now we know that the CSM are engaged in talks with CCP, that's ALL we know. NDAs are ten a penny these days, I wouldn't be surprised I'd the CSM have to sign some variant of this every time they meet. Hell, I had to sign one while working in a bar when a pharmaceutical company had it's Xmas party!
Yes, we want transparency and we want answers. But clearly defined ones. I (like many, I'm sure) are basing their continued future in Eve on what conclusions are reached so I think it's only fair to allow a clearly thought out and professional statement to be compiled. CCP have this one chance to fix things; they need to get it 100% right to retain the base of players that are still undecided on this issue. A lot of people are quick to forget that these are people too, ever tried to concentrate on a fair and balanced reply when people are screaming at you?
The latest blogg might be utter tripe, but it's proof that CCP are as human, fallible and daft as the rest of us. They have their chance to get it right; hopefully this meeting is less of a cop-out and more of a solution. Trust me when I say those that have quit are NOT being ignored by the accountants in Iceland. 1m+ of revenue from it's lost playerbase speaks volumes; they know that should they mess up again, they'll loose more.
Give them time, be chilled, enhance your calm :)
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:56:00 -
[184]
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS Are we getting the hangar back or not? That's all I need to know!!!
agree.
Vanity - Non-Vanity is a no-brainer.
What about Spaceflight - Docked - CQ.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:57:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Twas the hour of meeting, and all through the thread, not a creature was stirring, not even a dred. The noobs were all hung, by their innards with care, in hopes that GMs, would soon be there.
The pirates were nestled, all clustered by drones, as they sat upon piles of dead foes' bones, Some chick pod pilot flew by in her cap, while I settled down for a no CQ nap.
When out of the station there rose such a clang, I shouted out, "hey who's flyin this thang?" Away to my ship, I lagged down the hall, trying to get to my pod pilot ball.
I tried to undock, but my ship didn't work, damn this siht is gonna drive me berserk! so instead I jumped and got out of there, fracking cq, it messed up my hair!
So we wait on the question, the yellow one there, they can't answer, does it give them a scare? We'll wait some more and give it a day, and watch what they do and not what they say.
+1
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:58:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Kane Molou
Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers... The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want... the [sic] is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.
1) A WHOLE WEEK my god thatÆs such a long time! (sarcasm) 2) Spin doesnÆt work so well on the endless hardcore cynics like yourself and all the other angry impatient types. 3) If you play the game and learn how it works then you will have all the transparency you need. Either they make it better or worse.
Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary. Cheer up!
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Cydori
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:00:00 -
[187]
Originally by: vasuul The CSM are there to look after our interests and be our voice to CCP.
Yeah, in theory. In practice I trust them about as much as I trust local politicians.
This is the "boiling frog" method of rolling out unpopular software changes. CCP is not going to budge one millimeter on their plans for MT or anything else. This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:00:00 -
[188]
Well from following the twitter thing, it looks like a lot of bla bla bla and we still havnt addresd the real isuue yet.
looks like they are trying to ease the minds of the csm so it will be harder for them to not accept what ever ccp tells them tomorrow.
CSM stand firm and demand answer on the big yellow question and if they in any way want you to try accept it and help scam the players into accepting it then just walkout pls, and save your reputation.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:01:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Quote: members of the press
CNN or Fox?
For this I'd expect something more like Eurogamer, Massively, PC Gamer, etc.
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:02:00 -
[190]
The CSM's should just jump over the table and start beating on the CCP folks. Nothing communicates better. I say let the beatings continue until CCP fools have had the stupid beat out of them.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:04:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Originally by: lilol' me just dont think i can ever trust anything that CCP says ever, i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'
That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
'A bit' is an understatement.
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:04:00 -
[192]
Originally by: BtodaC
Originally by: Kane Molou
Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers... The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want... the [sic] is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.
1) A WHOLE WEEK my god thatÆs such a long time! (sarcasm) 2) Spin doesnÆt work so well on the endless hardcore cynics like yourself and all the other angry impatient types. 3) If you play the game and learn how it works then you will have all the transparency you need. Either they make it better or worse.
Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary. Cheer up!
1) A whole week where CCP: - Abused players, ignored players, had leaks and then refused to talk to players as they left in droves. 2. No Spin doesn't work so well on hardcore cynics, we've been playing this game long enough to realise that CCP say one thing and do a completely diffrent thing. Do you need the list of half ass and half features in the game? Or the fact that with this one we have to PAY MORE to get it? 3. I've played the game for a long time now and CCP very very rarely does exactly what they 'say' they are going to do.. else faction warefare, space combat issue, etc etc etc would all have been fixed.. a long time ago and WIS / Ambillation would have been out 3 years ago. - Juil Phoenix Industries
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pipvac
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:04:00 -
[193]
What reputation?
This will either make or break the CSM once and for all as far as the community is concerned. They better tread damn carefully.
CCP's rep is already in the toilet. So what they say hardly matters. How the CSM conducts itself does to those who care.
I regret I am entirely skeptical about what the CSM has achieved/can achieve. Desperately seeking originality since the first "can I have your stuff" since 2003. |
Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:04:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Holy One I like these calm little moments before the storm.
Time to start heating up battleships when i get home, just in case theyre needed to blockade jita again. * Revolution changes worlds * CCP, players are watching, no empty promises. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:06:00 -
[195]
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS Are we getting the hangar back or not? That's all I need to know!!!
This. ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:08:00 -
[196]
resabeddebaser
@
@Trebor_CSM ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND VANITY ITEMS FOR AUR? C'mon man, don't play around...
24 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
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@Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
@resabed That topic is on the agenda for tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet
22 minutes agovia TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
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evenews24Eve News24 Online
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@Trebor_CSM #csm6 #tweetfleet denying any possibility for "AUR for NON-vanity items" it's not a priority then?
- Juil Phoenix Industries
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:08:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Psychlo The CSM's should just jump over the table and start beating on the CCP folks. Nothing communicates better. I say let the beatings continue until CCP fools have had the stupid beat out of them.
You've not seen the size of a couple of the devs I don't think as this would be a rather foolish plan if you had....
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:09:00 -
[198]
Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 15:10:01 Not to sound too much like one of those peace Guru's with the shaved head
But we need positive vibes to affect positive change
some recent tweets We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet Already some things that I know people will respond positively to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
a little faith will go a long way
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Towaoc
Caldari Applied Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:10:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Towaoc on 30/06/2011 15:10:39
Do you guys really think that this meeting is about specific rants, minor details such as spinning one's ship in the station? I suspect and hope not. Rather, this meeting should be about the big picture: the game's culture, rebuilding the partnership between the players and the developers, philosophy, strategy and vision for moving forward.
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Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:11:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Seleene_EVESeleene #CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet
Am I the only one frightened (though not surprised) by that tweet? How many people give a **** about how the prices were perceived? Shouldn't the CSM concentrate on being VERY blunt about what is going to be on sale rather then the price structure?
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:11:00 -
[201]
Originally by: vasuul
a little faith will go a long way
So does a good ass whipping.
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:13:00 -
[202]
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
@
@evenews24 forgive MY bluntness; I have tweeted multiple times we will discuss the non-vanity MT issue ALL DAY tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet
off to sleep - Juil Phoenix Industries
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Hustler Funk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:14:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Cydori This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.
Aren't they a bit too late then?
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:15:00 -
[204]
So far no answer on:
Will non-vanity items be sold on NEX? Will the old hangar come back?
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:15:00 -
[205]
Originally by: vasuul Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 15:10:01 a little faith will go a long way
It can also go the wrong way. ______________________________
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:15:00 -
[206]
Originally by: vasuul
Not to sound too much like one of those peace Guru's with the shaved head
But we need positive vibes to affect positive change
Don't bogart that postive vibe man, hit it and pass it.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:18:00 -
[207]
csm6 been buy off with free game items like Trebor_CSM All the CSMs do have monocles, btw #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:18:00 -
[208]
All pessimism and no faith makes Eve a dull game.
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uyoi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:19:00 -
[209]
Edited by: uyoi on 30/06/2011 15:18:52 How many days are these meetings expected to last?
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:19:00 -
[210]
Results for #eveonline ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason Having very interesting and very good discussions with the CSM so far #eveonline #tweetfleet
2 hours ago
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Jolteon Taylor
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:20:00 -
[211]
Originally by: uyoi Edited by: uyoi on 30/06/2011 15:18:52 How many days are these meetings expected to last?
2, 30th and 1st of july.
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:22:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Juil Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
@
@evenews24 forgive MY bluntness; I have tweeted multiple times we will discuss the non-vanity MT issue ALL DAY tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet
off to sleep
Hmmm, thought this would be #1 priority for CCP and CSM, so why not get it out of the way first. I guess CCP is wining and dining before they F$%& us over.
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Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar Stark Industries PtyLtd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:23:00 -
[213]
Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:24:00 -
[214]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet 16 minutes ago
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uyoi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:25:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
Wasn't that issue fixed/clarified last week?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:25:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
What's her name?
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Tla Atij on 30/06/2011 15:26:19 What is all this bull****?! "We're having very blunt talks", "We're having interesting talks", "We're making progress", "We're being productive."
Who the hell cares for this filler ****? SHOW ME THE MONEY!
The CSM talks like CCP, all fluff no content.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:26:39
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
See, they even discuss stuff that has been a priority for many until it got snowed under by other concerns. Stand behind this elected body, the CSM, pilots. They're all we've got to help us all further and prevent further escalation. We're all on the same side here even though some of you might have forgotten that. Besides, how many of you actually took part in the CSM election process?
(Also, I'm reminded of a scientific article about how pessimism, negativity and depression are genetic traits. But I digress.)
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:26:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Hustler Funk
Originally by: Cydori This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.
Aren't they a bit too late then?
This is the lipstick on a pig moment --------------------- Unsubbed. |
jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:28:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte Well from following the twitter thing, it looks like a lot of bla bla bla and we still havnt addresd the real isuue yet.
They have to do the bla bla bla that is the dog and pony show!
Otherwise why call the meeting right? I mean if CCP just wanted to tell people what they were going to do in light of the player outrage they could have just posted it on the forums.
But to get the full pr effect they need to create the illusion that they really wanted to hear from the csm and carefully consider every word of a day long intense meeting.
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Wishdokkta CEO
The Riot Formation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:28:00 -
[221]
Originally by: BtodaC
Originally by: Kane Molou
Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers... The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want... the [sic] is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.
1) A WHOLE WEEK my god thatÆs such a long time! (sarcasm) 2) Spin doesnÆt work so well on the endless hardcore cynics like yourself and all the other angry impatient types. 3) If you play the game and learn how it works then you will have all the transparency you need. Either they make it better or worse.
Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary. Cheer up!
This
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:29:00 -
[222]
For those that think the removal of ship spinning isn't something to get worked up over...
The ship hangar has been part of the game for 9+ years. It's part of EVE's personality. Heck I was already disappointed when CCP replaced the station environments with 1-generic-one-per-race. The old ones had more character (anyone remember the holographic Quafe girl?).
There's various other reasons why removing the hangar and forcing CQ is a bad plan too. Plenty of RP reasons (why would I want to get out of my ship in hostile environment), and practical reasons (if I'm only picking up cargo or ammo, why would I get out of my ship), etc.
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Got Item? | EVE API? | Cache? |
Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:30:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:33:46
Also:
Originally by: @wgfinley W. Guy Finley
@evenews24 One school of thought is you build some trust discussing peripheral issues before you get to the big one(s). #tweetfleet #csm6
Remind me to never invite the vinegar urinaters to my Quarters.
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Inherent Vice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:30:00 -
[224]
It¦s all nice talking, love and harmony. Tommorow afternoon CCP will dictate a "joint statement" and the CSM have the choice to agree or resign and travel back on their own costs.
*tinfoilhat-moment*
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:31:00 -
[225]
Quote: 3. I've played the game for a long time now and CCP very very rarely does exactly what they 'say' they are going to do.. else faction warefare, space combat issue, etc etc etc would all have been fixed.. a long time ago and WIS / Ambillation would have been out 3 years ago.
If you can grasp just how complex eve is then you can appreciate just how difficult it is to add and amend content. Just giving us graphical difference to bpo's and bpc's without killing the server took a revamp of the database code. CCP even told us how they bought about this change and the complex challenges it posed. They were more transparent about it than most games companies would be. The point some people fail to grasp is that all the gameplay that we all took part in before this update is still there. If you wish to cancel your account because eve introduce pay to win, fine (I would too) but to cancel it because they introduced 'pay for monocles' is rather over the top.
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:32:00 -
[226]
Course the 99$ api fee could be just a smokescreen, as although it also is causing discord it isn't the reason that this meeting has been called. So why not deal with what this meeting should be addressing, or is it easier to deal with it last thing tomorrow leaving no time for discussion as CSM have to fly home, and then in future CCP can refer back to this failed propaganda meeting to show how they are prepared to meet the player base, hmm?
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:34:00 -
[227]
Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1528607&page=32#942
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:26:39
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead $99 developer issue has been discussed in great detail. I am pleased with results. #csm6 #tweetfleet
See, they even discuss stuff that has been a priority for many until it got snowed under by other concerns. Stand behind this elected body, the CSM, pilots. They're all we've got to help us all further and prevent further escalation. We're all on the same side here even though some of you might have forgotten that. Besides, how many of you actually took part in the CSM election process?
(Also, I'm reminded of a scientific article about how pessimism, negativity and depression are genetic traits. But I digress.)
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Hustler Funk
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:35:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Hustler Funk
Originally by: Cydori This meeting is simply to help them refine the message and roll out the changes in such a way that it avoids mass protests by the playerbase and the bad press associated with that.
Aren't they a bit too late then?
This is the lipstick on a pig moment
/popcorn for the pig in drag moment. Anger olli= does not particularly concerned John. |
Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:35:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:35:47
Originally by: jackaloped Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.
They said they would reiterate after summer. Maybe this got speeded up now.
Got vinegar?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:36:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Seleene_EVESeleene #CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet
Am I the only one frightened (though not surprised) by that tweet? How many people give a **** about how the prices were perceived? Shouldn't the CSM concentrate on being VERY blunt about what is going to be on sale rather then the price structure?
Yeah, what the prices are is not nearly as important as what will be for sale. I agree.
However, as a player, whether you care about vanity, convenience, non-game affecting stuff or not the prices are important. At present they are exclusive of a large majority of the game. Translated, that means CCP is developing content for only those with large pocketbooks and the rest of us are only along for the ride. This is not how, those of us who aren't/can't participate in the NeX want to be perceived by CCP.
With its current offerings, the NeX would have been a success and much to do about nothing had its offerings not been inclusive of only about 20% of the playerbase. While many more people can actually buy a monocle if they really wanted to, realistically, they can't afford the isk or the cash to participate on a regular basis. And so, it's excluded a large percentage of the playerbase. This was most definitely a bad decision on CCP's part.
The CSM is most likely being lead around by the mivoks. I see CCP controlling the discussions, not the CSM.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 15:44:51
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 15:35:47
Originally by: jackaloped Newsflash: CCP already admitted that was dumb and that they would change it. I'm sure they added that to the list of concessions to make csm seem credible and I imagine csm6 will be quick to claim that battle for themselves.
They said they would reiterate after summer. Maybe this got speeded up now.
Got vinegar?
I'm sure it did! They want to give csm as "representatives of the players" credit for everything they possibly can. That is good pr.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:43:00 -
[232]
Give em time guy's let them get their ducks in a row that way when the official statement comes out we can all print a copy for ourselves. Then if CCP even goes back on their word, we can all ship a cardboard box we have crapped in to iceland with that memo inside p.s. make sure you send it C.O.D for $1000.00 (the cost of zulu's pant )
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:44:00 -
[233]
[list][*] Quote: Just to be clear... almost no-one is ****ed about the $70 monocle or any of the prices... just flabergasted.
the plain fact is that eve has and does bring in a good profit CCP decided that they would use this income to finance not 1 new game but 2 new games based on some crazy idea that eve would be able to pay for it all with incredible growth in signups post incursion/incarna.
so programmers beaver away designing dust and WOD while the amount of people working on EVE content/fixes/improvments drops to a trickle.
unsuprisingly, due to the content and fixes not really being there, neither are the subscriber increases, quid pro quo.
so CCP have 1 cash cow, and 2 cash drains, and it doesnt really take an economist to figure out that this is a bad place to be in.
CCP ego forbids them admiting this might mean axeing 1 or other cash drain.
CCP ego forbids them from working hard on eve to produce content and therefore subscribers
the end result is leverage eve to make up the shortfall and bring dust and WOD to market on time, for a huge salary bonus.
CSM really are unable to resolve what is a fundemental screwup by CCP and we will be left with the legacy of CCP working on 2 major new products, which will cost a huge amount in cash and man hours.
best outcome is ccp stop leveraging eve and fund the mess from bank loans, but we will still be left with no meaningful content/bug fixes/improvements or balancing until the new games are released and fixed. which seeing how CCP do things might be in 5 years time.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:45:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Seleene_EVESeleene #CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet
Am I the only one frightened (though not surprised) by that tweet? How many people give a **** about how the prices were perceived? Shouldn't the CSM concentrate on being VERY blunt about what is going to be on sale rather then the price structure?
i noticed that 1 aswell and was wondering why they are discussing such and issue as that doesnt concern many and surely mostly have been the international pree making the nex prises an issue and not the players, why involve csm in that , AS WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICING.
MT IN EVE? HELL NO !! Linkage
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:47:00 -
[235]
Originally by: YarrMama
Originally by: Juil Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
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@evenews24 forgive MY bluntness; I have tweeted multiple times we will discuss the non-vanity MT issue ALL DAY tomorrow. #csm6 #tweetfleet
i'm kinda can't stretch my mind around this one. a whole day discussion on simple yes or no answer?
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:49:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Snake Scofield Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.
Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
Your attempted point here is weak.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:54:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Luckytania
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
BLOODY CAPITALISTS!!
BETTER RED THAN DEAD, eh...Lucky
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:56:00 -
[238]
Quote: AS WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICING.
Who is this we? Do you think you speak for the entire eve player base? Do you honestly think that CCP can get away from this mess without expanding on the question of whether it will be just vanity items or not?
CCP Zulu:
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.
They need to go further than this but that will take a decision that will be far reaching. Could CCP introduce a mechanism for buying a titan pilot alt with AUR without breaking the game? If they rule it out now they will never try and we will never know. I would rather CCP thinks long and hard before an announcement than rushing in and regretting it later.
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:57:00 -
[239]
Anyone who thinks that the players wishes are subservient to a CSM's own self interest is frankly speaking, living in cuckoo land. CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Ilmunel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:00:00 -
[240]
ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:00:00 -
[241]
Originally by: lilol' me i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'
Good lord, get a life. It's just a fricking game.
To put that into some perspective, I was amongst the monument shooters in Jita and I've posted *far* more in the last week than my entire previous two years in total.
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Freddie Failquitter
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:01:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Freddie Failquitter on 30/06/2011 16:01:42
Originally by: Amar Azaph Anyone who thinks that the players wishes are subservient to a CSM's own self interest is frankly speaking, living in cuckoo land. CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.
I suggest that CCP has already failed in this costly meeting by capitulating to anything the agenda-driven CSM is demanding. We'll see if real issues (costs in NeX, monocles, etc are stupipdly irrelevent) are resolved, such as the yearly fee for third-party developers. CCP is clearly in NO position to demand a yearly fee from developers to access their API. I imagine the power brokers at CCP are laughing their arses off over this whole meeting.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:01:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52
Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?
Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.
That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .
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Kevric
Lament of the Phoenix The Covenant.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:02:00 -
[244]
Originally by: BtodaC Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary. Cheer up!
Just the fact that they dared call something that left 99% of the game untouched, took something away from players, and added ignorable content an EXPANSION should be enough to get people up in arms.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:02:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.
Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
Your attempted point here is weak.
Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:04:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Amar Azaph CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.
Nobody voted for you. IRL lone nutcases shouting outside government buildings are generally put up bith but universally ignored. No different here.
The CSM are there as our representatives because people bothered to vote for them (and, frankly, because they bothered to put themselves up for election in order to provide a voice for the players).
So, like it or not, they are the representatives of the player base. If you don't like it, get voted in yourself. Meanwhile, let them do what we (the players) have asked them to do in the CSM forums and wait for the outcome tomorrow.
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:04:00 -
[247]
It looks worryingly like they are talking about everything else first so that they have something to throw to us when the talks break down over the no non vanity items issue... If they dealt with that first then... they would really have to deal with it seriously.. As it stands they have successfully weakened the position of the CSM in negotiations.. Now even if the CSM refuse to accept what CCP say regarding the yellow question.... CCP can still come out with a document truthfully stating all the goodies they agreed to with the players representatives.
I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..
In my opinion the CSM should have gone in and refused to discuss any of the other stuff until the non vanity items for Aur issue was dealt with.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Miilla
Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?
Because the other 86% used the other form of ABSTAIN, aka "CBA".
You're new to this whole democracy thing, aren't you?
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"MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 -
[249]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.
Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
Your attempted point here is weak.
Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.
that like telling oil corp your makeing more than enofe how about not raseing fuel price for ever
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 -
[250]
Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?
Or has nothing been sad about that? yobo |
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Gillaboo
Originally by: Miilla
Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?
Because the other 86% used the other form of ABSTAIN, aka "CBA".
You're new to this whole democracy thing, aren't you?
You forgot to FULLY quote.
Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.
That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 -
[252]
I don't know how to use twitter... If u do can u ask the csm on twitter are they going to bring the ship docked in hangar back?
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52
Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?
Its great pr for ccp.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Ilmunel ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us
my thoughts. Just waiting how CSM will sell it to us
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Ilmunel ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us
Translation:
Originally by: Ilmunel I don't know what ccp will say so I will just just assume the worst
If you are wrong will you be sure to post as many comments on the forums about how happy you are? Will we see a 400 page thread of people saying how happy they are if CCP reassures them that it will only ever be vanity items for sale in NEX? Do you grasp why CCP get so fed up with the forums? Do you understand why they have a forum whine index?
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Samir Duran Xadi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:07:00 -
[256]
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:07:00 -
[257]
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52
Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?
Its great pr for ccp.
Don't forget the rest of the quote.
Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.
That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:09:00 -
[258]
Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:09:00 -
[259]
The metrics shown to the farce CSM show clearly that customer cancellations had VERY LITTLE impact.
Until that changes, don't expect CCP to change.
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Talal Galbraith
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:10:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Evalon Fury I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..
I'm amused that you're only now seeing this.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:11:00 -
[261]
Robert Woodhead. You seem to have a remarkable proclivity for believing things CCP tells you. This time, try less to be BFF and more to be the inquisitor. --------------------- Unsubbed. |
Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:11:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Luckytania
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
BLOODY CAPITALISTS!!
BETTER RED THAN DEAD, eh...Lucky
<laughter> Actually, uh, no. :)
I approve of making money. Strongly approve. I just got the impression that the guy I quoted was trying to say CCP was barely scraping along and we should consider opening a soup kitchen for the devs.
Actually, IMO, what happened here is that CCP was taking advantage of, excessively taking advantage of, fees being paid to provide one service to do 'other' work to the neglect of the original commitment.
Kinda like paying a contractor to put an extension on your house and you find he has spent half of it on some other endeavor to the detriment of the quality of work on your house, to his double dipping profit, rather than doing the job which was previously agreed upon.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Andraine Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?
Or has nothing been sad about that?
from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
patience padowan
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..
I'm amused that you're only now seeing this.
Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...
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Sasio Shihari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
Render unto me, all of your stuff.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:13:00 -
[266]
Originally by: killmc
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.
Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.
That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.
Your attempted point here is weak.
Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.
that like telling oil corp your makeing more than enofe how about not raseing fuel price for ever
More like: How about committing to selling gasoline as long as I'm buying it?
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Talal Galbraith
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:13:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..
I'm amused that you're only now seeing this.
Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...
This is the INTARWEBZ, man!! What's yer problem?!?!!?!
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Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Xythe Marstolt Seleene_EVESeleene #CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet
Just because prices are easy to mock doesn't make them important.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
All companies do this - that's how they roll out new products. The problem is that CCP hasn't allocated enough of our money to *maintain* EVE properly and what they do allocate they waste on useless, unwanted features.
That's what the CSM should be addressing, but the only thing that will happen is that CCP will fill their minds with more Kool-Aid and we're gonna get screwed.
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 -
[270]
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?
Or has nothing been sad about that?
from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
patience padowan
Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan? ______________________________
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:15:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..
I'm amused that you're only now seeing this.
Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...
This is the INTARWEBZ, man!! What's yer problem?!?!!?!
Ooh!!! Cookies!! Omnomnomnomnom
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:16:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 30/06/2011 16:17:39 Robert Woodhead Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead New in NEX on Tuesday: "Just say NO to Vanity Goods" t-shirt. More expensive than the monocle! :) #tweetfleet #csm6
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We just got a demo of Amarr and Caldari CQ. Works in progress , but nice. The t-shirt thing was a troll, btw..
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:16:00 -
[273]
Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 16:18:30 Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.
But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothing to do with flying in spaceships.
That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.
Originally by: killmc Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
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Samir Duran Xadi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:17:00 -
[274]
Originally by: killmc Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
and people move to game 2. I doubt ccp wants us to leave when they get money from us monthly. If you want people to keep playing your MMO you need to provide them new content constantly.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:19:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
Originally by: killmc Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
and people move to game 2. I doubt ccp wants us to leave when they get money from us monthly. If you want people to keep playing your MMO you need to provide them new content constantly.
Or move to game 'other'.
I have no interest in Dust or Vampires.
I want spreadsheets in space.
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:20:00 -
[276]
Originally by: jackaloped Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.
But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothign to od with flying in spaceships.
That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.
Originally by: killmc Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
i see your point but plan fact is eve old eve will die all good thangs come to a end. i been here from beta i be sad day when eve shut down but noting go on forever
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:20:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?
Or has nothing been sad about that?
from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
patience padowan
Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan?
eh whatever lol patience grasshoper there that fits better with my generation
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Maximillian Dragonard
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:21:00 -
[278]
Let's face it... Eve is no longer CCP's priority. We are nothing more than the cash cow, useful for funding WoD and Dust. We fail to generate enough revenue to fund those two other projects, we get less, and get milked more.
My reply was in my reason for quitting... "The cash cow is losing teats"
Sad days these are.....
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:22:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Jannx
Originally by: Amar Azaph CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.
Nobody voted for you. IRL lone nutcases shouting outside government buildings are generally put up bith but universally ignored. No different here.
The CSM are there as our representatives because people bothered to vote for them (and, frankly, because they bothered to put themselves up for election in order to provide a voice for the players).
So, like it or not, they are the representatives of the player base. If you don't like it, get voted in yourself. Meanwhile, let them do what we (the players) have asked them to do in the CSM forums and wait for the outcome tomorrow.
Your correct, nobody voted for me. Your second comment, is quite frankly, very insulting. I hope you are not referring to me as a "Lone nutcase?" CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity. I hope this has cleared up any confusion. Now, can you clarify your statement RE: "Lone nutcase?" Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:23:00 -
[280]
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?
Or has nothing been sad about that?
from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
patience padowan
And, Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan?
eh whatever lol patience grasshoper there that fits better with my generation
<lol> yes.
And, "patience grasshopper", is sage advise for the next 48 hours.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:25:00 -
[281]
The CSM exists so CCP can have substantial, face to face discussions with real players rather than only getting hyperbolic feedback from the forums. Sensible calm debate or "i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'" or how about "The problem is that the ceo has told everyone to ignore the players" Or players who think "Short of a family emergency I wonder why those [CSM's] that haven't gone bothered to ask for our votes if they can't attend something in game as important as this." It's amazing how polite and level headed face to face converstations are in comparison to internet forums. YOU ARE ALL JERKS (Irony )
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:27:00 -
[282]
Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".
That is not at all the service I'm paying for.
(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:28:00 -
[283]
Edited by: jackaloped on 30/06/2011 16:29:06
Originally by: killmc
Originally by: jackaloped Maybe maybe not. I imagine several game companies do have enough faith in their product that they keep trying to make it better instead of losing focus (and money) on other things.
But if they abandon eve why shouldn't we? It needs work and they refuse to assign the devs to fix it. It could be improved allot. And no I do not count incarna-transactions. That really has nothign to od with flying in spaceships.
That is the real problem with eve. Seleene ran on that campaign of iterations and he got a vote from me. So far I see no indication that CCP is going to assign any more devs to inspace eve.
Originally by: killmc Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.
all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
i see your point but plan fact is eve old eve will die all good thangs come to a end. i been here from beta i be sad day when eve shut down but noting go on forever
Well if they continue to abandon it, it will die much faster.
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:36:00 -
[284]
Thanks for posting the comments and links, Harcosi! I've got all the twitter feeds open now. I can't wait to see the "official" statement tomorrow, so I can decide whether or not I'll resub.
So make it good, CCP. A lot of resubs are probably hanging on this.
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:37:00 -
[285]
1 meeting and they are already talking the same way as the devblogs in their twitter.
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Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:41:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Luckytania
Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".
That is not at all the service I'm paying for.
(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)
That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".
JFC, what a joke
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:42:00 -
[287]
Originally by: vasuul Give em time guy's let them get their ducks in a row that way when the official statement comes out we can all print a copy for ourselves. Then if CCP even goes back on their word, we can all ship a cardboard box we have crapped in to iceland with that memo inside p.s. make sure you send it C.O.D for $1000.00 (the cost of zulu's pant )
That would be the +Magna Carta½ moment of the EvE community.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:43:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Amar Azaph
CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity. I hope this has cleared up any confusion.
But that was the problem CCP staff went flat silent on us. After the patch they were not listening to any of the players issues. It took a mob of irate customers ,whether blasting memorials ,or raging to pull the plug, and bad press for them to wake the hell up and talk to us. This is hopefully something that doesn't happen again communication breakdown lead to this pure and simple in these times we have to depend on our elected CSM's to fight for our rights If you don't vote that's up to you But I for one am glad there is some one out there that came get face time with the bigwigs at CCP when we need them to. I have been playing since 2007 and this is the first time i have ever raged over anything in this game that ccp did. Granted there was a lot of nerfs that ****ed me off over the years,it was tolerable i could live with it adapt and overcome most of the time i praised the updates CCP has done some great work in the past, but this one was substandard to say the least To me i think Incarna was a rush job of nothing it didnt really add to the game, But it held the threat of taking away so much. and the silence from on high did not help.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:44:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Luckytania
Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".
That is not at all the service I'm paying for.
(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)
That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".
JFC, what a joke
My thoughts exactly. Oh well hopefully one more day to the announcement then we get told we just misunderstand everything and actually all our fears are wrong
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:45:00 -
[290]
Originally by: octahexx Charante 1 meeting and they are already talking the same way as the devblogs in their twitter.
Of course. CCP is not dumb. They simply don't tell us everything.
A good politician is not one that can only predict the future, but one that can explain why his prediction was wrong. CCP Devs aren't very good politicians, so thats why they don't have open discussions with us about everything and have a NDA with the CSM.
If there is one thing that CCP has learned over the past week, is that its community will cry BULL**** over things that they have stated in the past but are doing differently now. The only outcome of this is that they will start talking even less to us. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:46:00 -
[291]
Quote: all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb, common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.
CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3
this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE
lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.
maybe its the icelandic way.
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:52:00 -
[292]
Originally by: ed jeni
Quote: all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb, common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.
CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3
this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE
lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.
maybe its the icelandic way.
I always put 50% on red adn 50% on black. That way I always win!!!
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SilKKZ the3rd
Caldari Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:53:00 -
[293]
Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13 I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.
I think the more important issues are
1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system 2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years 3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs 4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game 5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better. 6.) Really bad QA 7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)
I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.
Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:54:00 -
[294]
Originally by: YarrMama
Originally by: ed jeni
Quote: all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works
this is a normal if somewhat risky approach, as your new game may be a success or it may bomb, common sense strategy dictates that you put 50 percent of your chips on red, then should things not work you can continue, if game 2 does well then you have all the more chips to play with next time.
CCP have 50 percent of their chips on game 2 and the other 50 percent staked on game 3
this leaves nothing left for eve and should either of the new games turn out to be a lemon this still leaves nothing for EVE
lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.
maybe its the icelandic way.
I always put 50% on red adn 50% on black. That way I always win!!!
less a 0 or 00 come up
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:57:00 -
[295]
Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Amar Azaph
CCP is a commercial entity and like other commercial entities, they are easily contactable to highlight an issue in level of service, or any other issue that a customer may wish to discuss. I do not want/need anyone to assume the role of my "go-between" when dealing with a commercial entity. I hope this has cleared up any confusion.
But that was the problem CCP staff went flat silent on us. After the patch they were not listening to any of the players issues. It took a mob of irate customers ,whether blasting memorials ,or raging to pull the plug, and bad press for them to wake the hell up and talk to us. This is hopefully something that doesn't happen again communication breakdown lead to this pure and simple 1. Who owns these forums? 2. Do members of the EVE community post on there forums ? 3. Do members of the EVE community who have various issues with aspects of EVE game play/developments post their opinions on these forums ? 4. Do members of CCP read/monitor these forums? 5. Do members of CCP post comments on these forums ? in other words,do they interact with the members of the EVE community? 6. What value add does the CSM bring to the table in terms of making this process more effective and efficient?
in these times we have to depend on our elected CSM's to fight for our rights If you don't vote that's up to you But I for one am glad there is some one out there that came get face time with the bigwigs at CCP when we need them to. I have been playing since 2007 and this is the first time i have ever raged over anything in this game that ccp did. Granted there was a lot of nerfs that ****ed me off over the years,it was tolerable i could live with it adapt and overcome most of the time i praised the updates CCP has done some great work in the past, but this one was substandard to say the least To me i think Incarna was a rush job of nothing it didnt really add to the game, But it held the threat of taking away so much. and the silence from on high did not help.
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Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:58:00 -
[296]
So to summarize, according to the tweets, in this emergency meeting that our illustrious CSM members have been asked to attend and on which possibly the fate of Eve-O as we know it seems to depend, in the first days meeting they have discussed, 99$ api fee. Pricing of Vanity items in the nex store. We also find CCP have smoked the eyes of CSM with a nice little Demo of the Caldarie and Amarr CQ's and that the Gallente CG's are the best.
Nice to know all the important subjects like is there to be MT Y/N? on other than vanity items, and why did CCP treat its customer base with such contempt last week, will be left until tomorrow. Will this be an hour before the CSM flights leave Iceland or perhaps a glossy brochure telling CSM exactly what CCP intends to do and no discussion, handed to them with their boarding passes.
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:58:00 -
[297]
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13 I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.
I think the more important issues are
1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system 2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years 3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs 4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game 5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better. 6.) Really bad QA 7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)
I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.
Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
Exactly. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard Let's face it... Eve is no longer CCP's priority. We are nothing more than the cash cow, useful for funding WoD and Dust. We fail to generate enough revenue to fund those two other projects, we get less, and get milked more.
My reply was in my reason for quitting... "The cash cow is losing teats"
Sad days these are.....
If we're a cash cow, then they've got to graze us on green pastures - else we slim into a starveling of a cow that gives no milk anymore.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 -
[299]
Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 17:02:13 Seems like enough players could not hold their horses back but had to bother the CSMs enough to make them stop tweeting.
Nope, one last one for the day:
Robert Woodhead And we are done for the day. #tweetfleet #csm6
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:00:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Luckytania
Quote: Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
Hmmm, I won't be satisfied with "less butthurt".
That is not at all the service I'm paying for.
(Nothing at all against those who want 'kinky trade'. Just not my kind of game.)
That one tweet alone is enough to prove the meeting was nothing but a PR hoax. One minute it's, "We are being VERY blunt" and the next minute it's, "Well, they EXPLAINED it so it's ok now".
JFC, what a joke
Well said, we don't want explanations, we want stuff changed. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
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Keno Range
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:05:00 -
[301]
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13 I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.
I think the more important issues are
1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system 2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years 3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs 4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game 5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better. 6.) Really bad QA 7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)
I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.
Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
Very true.
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TenTon Tommie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:05:00 -
[302]
Originally by: ed jeni
lets face it folks eve will stay as it is for the forseeable future.
For the most part, I think this fine. But introducing P2W features is unpalatable. $70 one-eyed Charlie's are very revealing on intent. I don't think anyone really cares about them, its the intent that people are ****ed about. Which is clear, regardless of what counter marketing BS come's out of the CSM "Summit".
This is self-evident in how extraordinarily difficult its been for CCP to say that they will not sell P2W features that are not made in game already. (Obviously there's the whole destruction of the industrial side of Eve, but that's no where in the realm of their conscious, otherwise they would made BPO's for vanity items with a degrading life cycle in order to keep plex sales higher).
So GL Chuck. But I expect nothing out of this but CCP positioning. Cheers.
TTT
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:05:00 -
[303]
If you let the other side set the agenda, you've already lost.
Almost nobody cares about NEX pricing. Almost nobody cares whether other racial CQ will be out in 3 months or 6 months or 9 months (or never.)
This CSM sucks. CCP is eating their lunch.
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:06:00 -
[304]
So many people have already left because of the sense of betrayal. Everything else is just fodder. They might apologize (don't hold your breath) and try to placate the masses, but I don't even think that's sufficient. Silence makes it worse.
When someone cheats on you that pretty much ends the relationship. Especially when they are smug about it.
IT'S TOO LATE CCP. Good luck with your new player base. --------------------------------------------- Take a stand or fall for anything |
Kira Summer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:08:00 -
[305]
Whitehound it seems enough players wanted information from their elected representatives about what concerned them not tweets that totally washed over it all.
With a great deal of cynicism and very little expectation I shall wait for this statement that will be made tomorrow night.
That statement sounded so much like political double talk I think I may be very disappointed but I shall certainly not be surprised at the outcome.
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:10:00 -
[306]
Edited by: OHU812 on 30/06/2011 17:17:22
Actually I think the answer has been given already. The mere fact the CCP&CSM has discussed EVERYTHING but the most important question a lot of us have been waiting for:
I think in the back of our minds who care about the future of EVE know already. Like me, just hope that CCP does an about-face and changes their mind.
I for one will not be in Jita protesting. I'll simply uninstall and take a break. I've not downloaded the client update and won't. I might reload if I ever see a patch that starts like ->:HEY CCP IS SORRY: Here is your station spinning option and we have no intentions of EVER implementing PTW items. <--Possible but the likelyhood of it is as likely as someone will give me 100 billion isk.
The justification some make of EVE already having MT/PTW per/via plex is moot. A lot of us argued that introducing PLEXs was a bad idea, look where we are today. See the trend?
You want to make more money CCP? May I suggest bringing back ghost training, just add a small fee for access to skill activation on ghost accounts then hike the sub fee for fully activated accounts.
The next move after the above, add content to the game without MT and make it possible for us to manufacture those items.
When was the last time you overhauled the mining process? When was the last time you gave industry some loving? *Do appreciate the BPO/BPC change.* When is the last time you've shined up the ships?
(All of which I'm sure have been mentioned.)
Want to rid people of their ISK? Give us access to TII BPOs through the market. Raise taxes for NPC corps again.
Hundreds if not thousands of ways to add to this game. Why choose one you knew would pit the community against one another and CCP? PR STUNT? Calvin Klein Affect?
as for the rest... I guess we'll see what kind of indirect answer you give us tomorrow. I hope I'm wrong but considering CCPs track record I don't expect anything more than smoke and mirrors again. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, if not, I'll go back to playing a couple of games I've found in the last couple of weeks.
BTW: Since CSM has seemed to forgotten the focus for whatever the reason (free beer, free food, free whatever.) I for one still waiting to hear about
1.) MT-PTW items in EVE ever? Yes No 2.) CCP going to give back our old station hangar with ship spinning? Yes No 3.) Will CCP re-direct some of their efforts/resources back to EVE in an effort to fix bugs, add content. IE: Essentially return the fire of enthusiasm EVE once had. Yes No
Really the only things I care about. Apology would be nice but don't want to push too much.
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Bubbles Udan
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:12:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Well said, we don't want explanations, we want stuff changed.
You mean you DON'T want anything changed. Currently there is no pay 2 win and people want it to stay that way :P
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killmc
Gallente Navajo commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:12:00 -
[308]
time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:14:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Amar Azaph
1. Who owns these forums? 2. Do members of the EVE community post on there forums ? 3. Do members of the EVE community who have various issues with aspects of EVE game play/developments post their opinions on these forums ? 4. Do members of CCP read/monitor these forums? 5. Do members of CCP post comments on these forums ? in other words,do they interact with the members of the EVE community? 6. What value add does the CSM bring to the table in terms of making this process more effective and efficient?
1. CCP 2. yes including all the rage and anger posts I would have to say the forums get used 3. yes including the off the wall stuff 4. they should be 5. they were doing a **** poor job of it hence the rage 6. When you are being ignored cause you are angry its good to have an intermediary , face time is better than typing a forum post especially when no one is answering ,more can be done faster, in a face to face meeting especially when the **** hits the fan. just my opinion
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Riddick Liddell
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:14:00 -
[310]
Why do I need a CSM? My name is on the Credit card. CSM Edwin says you bought a bull and that aint milk. |
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:16:00 -
[311]
You know, if you didn't understand how to answer the simple question you could have asked... I don't even have the energy to undock anymore, and I don't even have the energy to resub... Why are you being so difficult CCP...
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
This question is for Eve and Eve only, I don't care if I can buy gold ammo for DUST players, as long as that isn't implemented in Eve we are cool. Hell use your legal team to come up with the answer specifying that other games that influence Eve may have gold ammo but Eve itself never will.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:19:00 -
[312]
Originally by: killmc time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's
Nah. Been there, done that. It achieved all that it could. (Which was not insignificant.)
If tomorrow's 'joint statement' is inadequate, then my play time will be limited to what's left on the accounts and my attitude towards the game will be:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:21:00 -
[313]
So a whole day of meeting. . .and absolutley nothing of substance reported. . . .
EXCELLENT!
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Bubbles Udan
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:23:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: killmc time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's
Nah. Been there, done that. It achieved all that it could. (Which was not insignificant.)
If tomorrow's 'joint statement' is inadequate, then my play time will be limited to what's left on the accounts and my attitude towards the game will be:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
What would be adequate for you? Nothing I assume.
Based off the vibe from the tweets so far, there is indication that nothing game changing will be able to be purchased for cash. Even if that is the statement, there will still be doubters and butthurt.
The reasonable thing for the players to do is put a plug in it and just enjoy the game until such a time that game breaking items are actually introduced.
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:23:00 -
[315]
As usual, they said nothing on questions we asked. NON-vanity stuff, hangar view. They just got a lesson in eve economy from people that dont know **** about it.
Free Helicity Boson
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: OHU812 Edited by: OHU812 on 30/06/2011 17:17:22 I for one still waiting to hear about
1.) MT-PTW items in EVE ever? Yes No 2.) CCP going to give back our old station hangar with ship spinning? Yes No 3.) Will CCP re-direct some of their efforts/resources back to EVE in an effort to fix bugs, add content. IE: Essentially return the fire of enthusiasm EVE once had. Yes No
Really the only things I care about. Apology would be nice but don't want to push too much.
The 1M$ questions. If they are not responded soon then.... I will follow this pic:
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Elaine Eza
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Svennig EVE_Svennig Svennig @ @Trebor_CSM Just out of interest - will there be just the statement, or will there be full minutes of these meetings?
Robert Woodhead @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @EVE_Svennig Unclear if formal minutes needed. Joint statement + clarifications in forums may be enough #tweetfleet #csm6
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bubbles Udan
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: killmc time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's
Nah. Been there, done that. It achieved all that it could. (Which was not insignificant.)
If tomorrow's 'joint statement' is inadequate, then my play time will be limited to what's left on the accounts and my attitude towards the game will be:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
What would be adequate for you? Nothing I assume.
Based off the vibe from the tweets so far, there is indication that nothing game changing will be able to be purchased for cash. Even if that is the statement, there will still be doubters and butthurt.
The reasonable thing for the players to do is put a plug in it and just enjoy the game until such a time that game breaking items are actually introduced.
You are free, of course, to assume, anything you like.
Your last sentence is "reasonable" for people who play a day to day, near FPS like, style of Eve. I make plans which take months to reach fruition. Without some confidence of the future, it is not "reasonable" to strive to achieve goals more substantial than "what can I shoot today".
I can hope that the tweet I quoted was merely poorly phrased. We'll see in a day or so.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 17:31:45
Originally by: Kira Summer Whitehound it seems enough players wanted information from their elected representatives about what concerned them not tweets that totally washed over it all.
And it is wrong. It is "High-Noon in Iceland" and not election time. The CSMs need to stop responding to individual players and players need to stop begging them for answers. The CSMs are our heros. If it was not for them then who would be talking to CCP for us? Let the CSMs do their jobs. We judge them by their success at the end of it, not by the scraps of answers we manage to claw out of them. --
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Psychlo So a whole day of meeting. . .and absolutley nothing of substance reported. . . .
EXCELLENT!
CCP and the CSM have stated that the announcement will come after the two days of meetings, not during. Calm down and get some patience, maybe you will be able to buy some in the NEX store soon!!!
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bubbles Udan What would be adequate for you? Nothing I assume.
Based off the vibe from the tweets so far, there is indication that nothing game changing will be able to be purchased for cash. Even if that is the statement, there will still be doubters and butthurt.
The reasonable thing for the players to do is put a plug in it and just enjoy the game until such a time that game breaking items are actually introduced.
This is what I figure, too. People who are raging probably won't be placated, even if they do hear what they want to hear- and this may, in fact, have been something CCP was afraid of to warrant bringing in the CSM. Explain situations more effectively than in devBlogs or forum posts, hash things out more organically face-to-face. Because, in all likelihood, this is just as much about trying to explain the Fearless newsletter and the Hilmar email in relation to everything as it is deciding or telling the players that they aren't going to offer non-vanity items. Because, let's face it, there WILL be doubt even if they say it, in a number of corners of the game community, and they probably want to qualify that answer as thoroughly as possible so the CSM knows they are sincere about the stance, and, in turn, the CSM can relay that sincerity to us.
Either that or they are bull$#!tting and stalling. But that's hopefully to be revealed tomorrow. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 17:31:45
Originally by: Kira Summer Whitehound it seems enough players wanted information from their elected representatives about what concerned them not tweets that totally washed over it all.
And it is wrong. It is "High-Noon in Iceland" and not election time. The CSMs need to stop responding to individual players and players need to stop begging them for answers. The CSMs are our heros. If it was not for them then who would be talking to CCP for us? Let the CSMs do their jobs. We judge them by their success at the end of it, not by the scraps of answers we manage to claw out of them.
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Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alejan Gerakh ... People who are raging ...
If you scan my posts I think you'll see I can't be placed in the same category as Milla. :)
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Amar Azaph
1. Who owns these forums? 2. Do members of the EVE community post on there forums ? 3. Do members of the EVE community who have various issues with aspects of EVE game play/developments post their opinions on these forums ? 4. Do members of CCP read/monitor these forums? 5. Do members of CCP post comments on these forums ? in other words,do they interact with the members of the EVE community? 6. What value add does the CSM bring to the table in terms of making this process more effective and efficient?
1. CCP 2. yes including all the rage and anger posts I would have to say the forums get used 3. yes including the off the wall stuff 4. they should be 5. they were doing a **** poor job of it hence the rage 6. When you are being ignored cause you are angry its good to have an intermediary , face time is better than typing a forum post especially when no one is answering ,more can be done faster, in a face to face meeting especially when the **** hits the fan. just my opinion
Quick question, Given that some/most of the meeting is covered by a near worthless NDA, then how is bringing 4/5 people who play EVE to Iceland helping the community if they can't discuss any of it public ? In other words, why discuss sensitive issues when they can't become public knowledge to the broader community ? All this will do is generate more vague/generic comments leading to greater level of player frustration surely? Why not have a webcast or podcast ? discuss players concerns in full and in public with no need for any release of sensitive information ? Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:37:00 -
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I am relieved ! NEX pricing and Amarr/Caldari CQ were the main issues...
Thank you dear CSM members, glad you saved my player's life...
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Bubbles Udan
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Luckytania
Your last sentence is "reasonable" for people who play a day to day, near FPS like, style of Eve. I make plans which take months to reach fruition. Without some confidence of the future, it is not "reasonable" to strive to achieve goals more substantial than "what can I shoot today".
I have plans too and I really don't care what CCP or anyone says right now. If the game is fun I will play and if it is not fun I will not play. At the end of the day CCP can swear up and down they won't implement p2w, then turn around do it anyway. It won't be any skin off my back because there are plenty of other games out there to play :P Furthermore the game engine I have spent the last few years working on could be retooled for an eve like game, though the code is ps3 only :(
I guess it all boils down to different philosophies of play. I say enjoy the game while it lasts, one way or another it will not last forever. I don't see why people are so invested emotionally into something they have no control over at the end of the day :P Even if CCP does everything right in EVE they may still crumble financially because of WoD.
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Lord of cocksuckers
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Keno Range
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Edited by: SilKKZ the3rd on 30/06/2011 16:54:13 I am starting to get really annoyed now to be honest. I am sick to death of hearing about how nex this nex that. TBH I couldnt care less about Nex.
I think the more important issues are
1.) CQ is absolute crap, I want to be able to revert to old system 2.) Bug issues being present for over 3 years 3.) Botting and RMT is way more an issue than a damn monecule no matter what it costs 4.) Supercapitals being win button, and way to many titans in the game 5.) Constant game inballance, and nerfs making it worse not better. 6.) Really bad QA 7.) Spending sub money on games we cannot even play unless we own a PS3 (wtf is that about)
I mean the list is endless to be frank. I been playing since 2004 and its been going rapidly downhill for over 2 years. Even if the Nex is all sorted out my subs are still going because this is all just a smoke screen to the bigger problems that await the game in the not to distant future.
Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
Very true.
id go along with this.
i couldnt give 2 fu cks what the price of **** in that store cost. ITS NOT IMPORTANT.
CQ should be optional. dock to old view, hit button LEAVE SHIP, enter CQ No MT for none vanity items
how hard is that ffs
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Amar Azaph Quick question, Given that some/most of the meeting is covered by a near worthless NDA, then how is bringing 4/5 people who play EVE to Iceland helping the community if they can't discuss any of it public ? In other words, why discuss sensitive issues when they can't become public knowledge to the broader community ? All this will do is generate more vague/generic comments leading to greater level of player frustration surely? Why not have a webcast or podcast ? discuss players concerns in full and in public with no need for any release of sensitive information ?
It's actually 9 people, isn't it? Or did half of them not go? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
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raker
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: raker on 30/06/2011 17:46:46
Originally by: Bomberlocks
This is the lipstick on a pig moment
LMFAO
You might be nearer to the the truth than you think with that comment
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Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound The CSMs are our heros.
Wrong - they had the opportunity to become heroes, and blew it.
The price of items in the NeX was a major concern for some people (not me) and the brunt of jokes across the gaming media outlets. It was something the CSM should have fought for ... you know, like a hero would fight. Instead we get a tweet saying that the CSM is "less butthurt" about the pricing structure because CCP "explained" the situation to them. In other words, CCP said, "We're keeping the prices as they stand now, or you won't get any more freebies" and the CSM, between sips of kool-aid, said, "Yes, sir!"
If that's your idea of a hero, then you have some seriously ****ing low expectations.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
I must ask how you intend to have a live chat with them? The whole point was to find a select number of players to represent the community in face-to-face talks, which, quite frankly, the internet won't be able to solve that issue. Even if they do setup live chats with players, there's tens of thousands of players, if not hundreds of thousands- you can't have dialogs with all of them. If you feel your view isn't being represented, you run for the CSM yourself. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bubbles Udan
Originally by: Luckytania
Your last sentence is "reasonable" for people who play a day to day, near FPS like, style of Eve. I make plans which take months to reach fruition. Without some confidence of the future, it is not "reasonable" to strive to achieve goals more substantial than "what can I shoot today".
I have plans too and I really don't care what CCP or anyone says right now. If the game is fun I will play and if it is not fun I will not play. At the end of the day CCP can swear up and down they won't implement p2w, then turn around do it anyway. It won't be any skin off my back because there are plenty of other games out there to play :P Furthermore the game engine I have spent the last few years working on could be retooled for an eve like game, though the code is ps3 only :(
I guess it all boils down to different philosophies of play. I say enjoy the game while it lasts, one way or another it will not last forever. I don't see why people are so invested emotionally into something they have no control over at the end of the day :P Even if CCP does everything right in EVE they may still crumble financially because of WoD.
"one way or another it will not last forever" - And on that we fully agree.
"enjoy the game while it lasts" - Agree on that, also. It comes down to a personal decision as to when the time has come to bail.
Probably the only significant difference of opinion here is how much effort is worth exerting in the attempt to mold evolution of the game in a direction to my liking. (And it is only when enough of those "my"s are congruent that it really makes any difference.)
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:53:00 -
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CSM should have insisted on no NDA discussions at all (or a NDA that expires when the 'summit' concludes) in this meeting and on setting the day 1 agenda.
Here's what the day 1 agenda should have looked like:
1. CCP lying. Will CCP acknowledge it? Will CCP apologize for it? Will CCP stop it? Will CCP stop using dev alts or hiring outsiders to troll forums?
2. P2W (other than PLEX) Will CCP commit to never having it in Internet Spaceships? Will CCP commit to never again deliberately breaking gameplay and then trying to sell functionality back to its customers?
3. Incarna Will CCP commit to making it optional?
4. Sweeteners Since CCP ****ed over its customers so blatantly, will they now try to make amends by devoting significant resources to Internet Spaceships? Make a commitment to supporting the old forums?
Then, if day 1 goes badly, there'd be no reason for a day 2.
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Tron Flux
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:55:00 -
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I'm going to run for CSM in the next election. My platform will be this: roll back Incarna, NEX, and make walking in stations optional. If I win, I will fly to Iceland and picket CCP headquarters chanting the will of the people until they change their minds.
Who wants to vote for me?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 30/06/2011 17:56:25
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Whitehound The CSMs are our heros.
Wrong - they had the opportunity to become heroes, and blew it.
No. We elected them, we have given them this opportunity and they have answered the call of CCP to come. If we do not let them do their job and to the end then we have to blame ourselves.
You want to quit? Then go and do not fling your poo around on your way out. --
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Frodrich Adoudel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:56:00 -
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Personally if I was on the CSM, id take the plane ticket and go try getting candid photo shoots of Bjork while the other CSM members are collecting their free monocles.....
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tron Flux I'm going to run for CSM in the next election. My platform will be this: roll back Incarna, NEX, and make walking in stations optional. If I win, I will fly to Iceland and picket CCP headquarters chanting the will of the people until they change their minds.
Who wants to vote for me?
Anyone who would have voted for you has quit.
They're all in Perpetuum.
Join them.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:01:00 -
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Quote:
Guys, CCP is being very open with us about strategy, numbers, etc. That is NDA territory...
nah, that's "who can scam CC... oh, wait, right we want this to work. carry on then. =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound No. We elected them, we have given them this opportunity and they have answered the call of CCP to come.
And they have blown it. Not unexpectedly.
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Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Azztoroid on 30/06/2011 18:08:59 Should CCP as a company feed us with all details...no
let us hammer some reson into our heads combined with alitle paitense...
Did we get an reaction from CCP with the protests?? yes we did
Did any of us expect that they would bring the CSM to iceland for a meeting?? No
Let us now wait what comes out of it. I hate waiting, but i want to give the CSM as much support as i can, and right now that is to remain paitent.
I did my protest for the love of the game, not to be a pain or creepz to anyone. We had act sooner than later, we did that, we got something out of it, we just dont know what yet, but im sure we will know when the time arives.
They have a deadline to 2nd of july, no matter lack of info etc, they have to the 2nd july. After that if needed the term sandbox will become werry werry visible...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:09:00 -
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@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead And we are done for the day.
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Guys, CCP is being very open with us about strategy, numbers, etc. That is NDA territory....
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead ...BUT everything we can tell you, we will tell you. Guaranteed
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Including if we think they're full of crap about an NDA issue.
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:10:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
I must ask how you intend to have a live chat with them? The whole point was to find a select number of players to represent the community in face-to-face talks, which, quite frankly, the internet won't be able to solve that issue. Even if they do setup live chats with players, there's tens of thousands of players, if not hundreds of thousands- you can't have dialogs with all of them. If you feel your view isn't being represented, you run for the CSM yourself.
Apple do it. We better tell Apple that what they are currently doing can't be done. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead And we are done for the day.
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Guys, CCP is being very open with us about strategy, numbers, etc. That is NDA territory....
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead ...BUT everything we can tell you, we will tell you. Guaranteed
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Including if we think they're full of crap about an NDA issue.
What we want are the meeting minutes in full. Not some half page writeup. Information covered by the NDA can be x-ed out. It seems to me someone is seeking reasons not to publish the minutes. |
Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Portmanteau on 30/06/2011 18:14:30 Just to troll about something I neither care about or will use but it's seems as no surprise that minnie get their CQ first then it's Amarr and squid... no mention of Gallente... do they even exist in this game to CCP ? ROFL
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Tron Flux
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS I don't know how to use twitter... If u do can u ask the csm on twitter are they going to bring the ship docked in hangar back?
This is just priceless. Some guy that can't figure out how to type twitter.com into a web browser is making noise about what he wants out of a technology company.
Let me guess, you think you speak for the eve community when you say that you want the old hangars back?
What are you, 12? Are you even old enough to play this game?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:19:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Elaine Eza
Originally by: Whitehound @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead And we are done for the day.
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Guys, CCP is being very open with us about strategy, numbers, etc. That is NDA territory....
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead ...BUT everything we can tell you, we will tell you. Guaranteed
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Including if we think they're full of crap about an NDA issue.
What we want are the meeting minutes in full. Not some half page writeup. Information covered by the NDA can be x-ed out. It seems to me someone is seeking reasons not to publish the minutes.
You would not understand them. You already fail at understanding what NDA means and you are barking up the wrong tree. --
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Tron Flux I'm going to run for CSM in the next election. My platform will be this: roll back Incarna, NEX, and make walking in stations optional. If I win, I will fly to Iceland and picket CCP headquarters chanting the will of the people until they change their minds.
Who wants to vote for me?
Anyone who would have voted for you has quit.
They're all in Perpetuum.
Join them.
Nice- attack the person and not their argument. Classic flaw in most of these threads. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:21:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Amar Azaph
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Is there any point to a CSM, id prefer to be able to have a conversation with devs myself. How do I know my point is being made in the fashion I wish to make it when 3 of them are goons. Its all madness.
I must ask how you intend to have a live chat with them? The whole point was to find a select number of players to represent the community in face-to-face talks, which, quite frankly, the internet won't be able to solve that issue. Even if they do setup live chats with players, there's tens of thousands of players, if not hundreds of thousands- you can't have dialogs with all of them. If you feel your view isn't being represented, you run for the CSM yourself.
Apple do it. We better tell Apple that what they are currently doing can't be done.
Yes, yes, I failed by mentioning it in such a way that suggested technical matters. I should have omitted those parts of my post.
It's the issue of trying to get substantial feedback from so many players even in the case that 'facetime' sessions are established. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Tron Flux
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Tron Flux I'm going to run for CSM in the next election. My platform will be this: roll back Incarna, NEX, and make walking in stations optional. If I win, I will fly to Iceland and picket CCP headquarters chanting the will of the people until they change their minds.
Who wants to vote for me?
Anyone who would have voted for you has quit.
They're all in Perpetuum.
That was sort of my point. I suspect that everyone who has quit is just lying about quitting. LYING DO YOU HEAR?! JUST LIKE CCP LIED TO US!
Assume for a moment that all the whigers (whiner + rager) are all still around during the next election. If I ran on that platform, I would get a ridiculously small percent of the vote. My guess is less than 1%.
Join them.
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:26:00 -
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@TheMittani The Mittani I'm feeling kind of grim and ****ed off. It was an angry summit day when discussion of the NeX rollout occurred. #tweetfleet #eveonline
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Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:26:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Elaine Eza
Originally by: Whitehound @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead And we are done for the day.
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Guys, CCP is being very open with us about strategy, numbers, etc. That is NDA territory....
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead ...BUT everything we can tell you, we will tell you. Guaranteed
@Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead Including if we think they're full of crap about an NDA issue.
What we want are the meeting minutes in full. Not some half page writeup. Information covered by the NDA can be x-ed out. It seems to me someone is seeking reasons not to publish the minutes.
You would not understand them. You already fail at understanding what NDA means and you are barking up the wrong tree.
NDA means Non Disclosure Agreement. When Information covered by it appears in the meeting minutes in can be x-ed out. Just like it has been in the past. Beyond that there is not much to understand about this. In clarification i should add that my reply was not meant to be directed at you. I realise it might have seemed that way to you because i quoted your quotes. |
Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:28:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Portmanteau Edited by: Portmanteau on 30/06/2011 18:14:30 Just to troll about something I neither care about or will use but it's seems as no surprise that minnie get their CQ first then it's Amarr and squid... no mention of Gallente... do they even exist in this game to CCP ? ROFL
Squid? What is this 'squid' ..?
If you're trying to make the joke that I think you're going for, that's way too much of a stretch. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:30:00 -
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This thread validates Hilmar email.
While many posters have a good sense of the realities of the situation you also have...
... posters that can't agree with each other on what the main concerns of the community are.
... posters that refuse to acknowledge the realities of running a game development company.
... posters that don't understand why information covered by an NDA should be discussed with our representives to give them the full picture of what is going on and (more importantly) why.
... posters that are no more that trolls and attention seekers.
... posters that really haven't studied the facts of the situation and are meerly parroting what others have said.
... posters that have already made up their minds about how this will turn out, and consider information to the contrary to be lies.
... posters that in their irritation will pick up any scrap of information released and spin it in the worst possible light, regardless of whether that flies in the face of common sense or accurately represents the situation or not.
All of this makes it hard to argue with the sentiment that CCP should pay more attention to what people do than what they say, because what they are saying is pretty much a huge conflicting mish-mash. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Arvald
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:34:00 -
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So far this reminds me of almost every other rabblefest from very other major issue that has popped up in the game, im just going to hold off judgment until the csm meeting minutes are posted, and we get some substantial comments from the csm
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:35:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Bubbles Udan
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Well said, we don't want explanations, we want stuff changed.
You mean you DON'T want anything changed. Currently there is no pay 2 win and people want it to stay that way :P
I want the stuff we have changed - cq permanently optional ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:36:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Portmanteau Edited by: Portmanteau on 30/06/2011 18:14:30 Just to troll about something I neither care about or will use but it's seems as no surprise that minnie get their CQ first then it's Amarr and squid... no mention of Gallente... do they even exist in this game to CCP ? ROFL
Squid? What is this 'squid' ..?
If you're trying to make the joke that I think you're going for, that's way too much of a stretch.
heh... not really a joke, squid has been common slang for caldari for years now, that's what I meant anyway
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:37:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Ranger 1 All of this makes it hard to argue with the sentiment that CCP should pay more attention to what people do than what they say, because what they are saying is pretty much a huge conflicting mish-mash.
Sadly, I have to agree. Do I get a complementary cynics association pin? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:39:00 -
[358]
Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:40:00 -
[359]
There needs to be some commitment to excellence about the future that comes out of this meeting. I'm not going to scream and shout or leave a wall of text. Neither am I going to wait 18 months for game fixes.
As for a promise for no game changing MTs- we're not going to get such an explicit promise. Can you imagine walking into a bank for a loan as a small company and being questioned why you publicly foreswore a revenue stream? A quiet disclaimer is all that can be hoped for.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:40:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Portmanteau
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Portmanteau Edited by: Portmanteau on 30/06/2011 18:14:30 Just to troll about something I neither care about or will use but it's seems as no surprise that minnie get their CQ first then it's Amarr and squid... no mention of Gallente... do they even exist in this game to CCP ? ROFL
Squid? What is this 'squid' ..?
If you're trying to make the joke that I think you're going for, that's way too much of a stretch.
heh... not really a joke, squid has been common slang for caldari for years now, that's what I meant anyway
Ah... Oddly enough, as you may have gathered, I have never heard the joke. I've been active for at least 3/4 years and this slang/derogatory term has passed my notice. Still, I think calamari == Caldari is a bit of a stretch. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:44:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
Thanks Trebor, much appreciated. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:47:00 -
[362]
Quote:
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
What about "convinience sales" a.k.a extra fitting slots etc. where CCP first takes a feature away from the game and then reimplments it for customers paying extra. Is this part of that discussion aswell? Is there also a discussion about removing all microtransactions? Is the CSM already sold on the idea of vanity items?
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tika te
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:52:00 -
[363]
Edited by: tika te on 30/06/2011 18:52:55 Edited by: tika te on 30/06/2011 18:52:04 thx for update trebor...atm every update and information the player get is apreciated..
but you ppl had an 3hours session about nex and pricing without talking about the master question? wtf??
have you actually made clear to the ccp guys that the nex shop is tolerated at best - 2/3 of the players would like to see it disapear to where it came from.. how can ccp talk about a "strategy" here?? this is a monthly-subscripbtion-game. either we get all it has to offer for our 15 or eve is f2p with a ingameshop...no doublebilling for content!!
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:54:00 -
[364]
Edited by: Raid''En on 30/06/2011 18:54:48
Originally by: "Trebor on his blog" CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Originally by: "TheMittani on Twitter" @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
i have the impression they will give us back the old hangar view, or something similar.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Elaine Eza NDA means Non Disclosure Agreement. When Information covered by it appears in the meeting minutes in can be x-ed out. Just like it has been in the past. Beyond that there is not much to understand about this.
It means you have to pick your words very carefully as you are moving through legal territory and this requires work, time and experience.
What most of us want is not a detailed report, but a proper game. Anything else will get cast aside by most until it happens. So why waste time? A statement by the CCP, with guidance by the CSM, will provide us, the CSM and CCP with a plan where EVE will be heading next.
We do not have to agree to it and accept this new direction, just as CCP may freely decide over their fate. We still can give it the thumbs down. Only problem is how many thumbs will remain down and how many will go up. Everyone will need to interpret the result for themselves and make their decision.
The CSM is here the messenger, who is working for both sides, not only for us. Let us not kill them before the meetings are over. --
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Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound /
I just noticed that meissa has acknoledged the meeting minutes will be released. Thanks Meissa.
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel They are, and they will be released as soon as we agree that they correctly portray the stance each participant had.
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Mervent
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 -
[367]
I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.
The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP
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Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Mervent I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.
The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP
bump
MailDeadDrop Headline tomorrow: Entire CSM6 Struck Down by Food Poisoning! CCP_Zulu Announces early elections for CSM7! #tweetfleet
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 -
[369]
thank you for update trebor.
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Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
Thanks for the write up. Look forward to a full report...
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En (...) i have the impression they will give us back the old hangar view, or something similar.
I won't bet on it, you'll probably get some free aurums to spend instead...
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:39:00 -
[372]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
I can already taste the damage control coming. And PR spin machine at work.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:44:00 -
[373]
ive got a strange feeling that the beating around the bush continues.. CSM is playing it too safe.. i would have demanded an answer today not some bull**** lets wait till tomorrow.... If my doctor did a treatment on me because i had cancer (NeX) and while he is looking at my results i ask him if it is getting better or worse and he doesn't answer and says im sorry i just cant answer that today.. i would assume its getting worse...
º--Atreus--º
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:48:00 -
[374]
Still waiting for the million dollar question...
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Neftaran
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:53:00 -
[375]
Who cares it will be nothing more than lies to calm the masses.
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Sijakta Ho Pakrsh
Sultanate of Rum
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:53:00 -
[376]
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate."
~Sun Tzu
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H Zebra
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 -
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MR CSM GUY.
Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?
this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be
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Terrante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:03:00 -
[378]
Originally by: H Zebra MR CSM GUY.
Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?
this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be
Quote: The Mittani @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
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H Zebra
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:18:00 -
[379]
Edited by: H Zebra on 30/06/2011 20:18:29
Originally by: Terrante
Originally by: H Zebra MR CSM GUY.
Can you ask if we can have the old spinny hanger view back with an option to enter CQ?
this is mine and every one in my corps bug bear about incarna, it needs to be optional, like CCp said it would be
Quote: The Mittani @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
first time since incarna there has been good news
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:50:00 -
[380]
I can see the headlines now:
Breaking news!
The CSM body stormed out of CCP's HQ just minutes ago after 2 days of heavy talks with CCP and about the future of "Cash Cow" aka EVE. CCP refused to answer direct questions which caused talks to stall. CCP is considering the dismantling of CSM body since there seems to be no possibility of reconciliation.
Ultimate solution to the problem.
1.)CSM is off the hook. A nice 2 day break from RL. 2.)CCP can close communications forever. Just send out a survey anytime they want to know something.
Face it... with th likelyhood of protesting and the MMO media taking hold. CCP will get more new accounts than you can shake your fist at all the while getting rid of the old hard heads of the game.
For whatever my suggestion is worth. Don't waste your time protesting or flaming the forums. Once the meeting is over tomorrow and there is no direct answer to the question, quietly leave the game. Flaming and protesting will do nothing more than give CCP free advertisement. What... our loyalty to the game isn't enough?
My time is worth more than protesting in front of the deaf,blind, and mute.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: killmc time go back to rioting i thank ccp/csm's
Nah. Been there, done that. It achieved all that it could. (Which was not insignificant.)
If tomorrow's 'joint statement' is inadequate, then my play time will be limited to what's left on the accounts and my attitude towards the game will be:
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
Piracy is ganking for isk. What's just plain ganking until the end?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:09:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Louis deGuerre Still waiting for the million aurum question...
Fixed that for you.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:11:00 -
[383]
Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:15:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Harcosi Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.
just start playing nerd jesus.
waah waah waah _________________________________________________
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:19:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Harcosi Pretty annoyed about this, they're going to discuss the sale of non-vanity items on Day 2. DAY TWO?! Either tell us we're screwed and cut us loose, or tell us it's not happening and I can get back to playing.
just start playing nerd jesus.
waah waah waah
My accounts have started expiring, I'm not paying $15 if there's no satisfactory answer to the non-vanity MT question.
Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:21:00 -
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Well, if I like what I hear, I'll buy another PLEX and get back to playing. If I don't like what I hear, I'll sell everything and **** off for good. I'll miss Eve (at least the aspects of it I enjoy), but I've ****ed off before and only came back because friends bugged me to come back. A good deal of them left over this, so I have nothing to really play for if this doesn't play out how I want it to.
Things I don't want to hear: -"We aren't PLANNING on 'gold ammo'" (as we've learned, just because CCP isn't "planning" on something doesn't mean they're not going to do it) -"CQ will be completely mandatory. Eventually there will be no option to not load the station environment." -"There will be no new space content in Eve for the next few years."
I wish there were meeting minutes available, but I guess that will be released tomorrow when it's all over. I hope you folks (the CSM) represented us well.
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:23:00 -
[387]
Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:26:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Harcosi Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.
I called you a nerd to get a rise out of you.
this is a nerdrage thread isn't it?
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:28:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Harcosi Calling me a nerd, on an eve online forum, a game about internet spaceships? Do you need a hug or something to feel that it's OK to be a nerd? It's OK, I accept you.
I called you a nerd to get a rise out of you.
this is a nerdrage thread isn't it?
I dunno, a few people seem angry, but in the majority it was just discussions.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
i know ay... lol
1 nerd rages, inspires other nerds to rage.
update computer to play a 2011 high end graphics game, ignore nex store = no rage.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:35:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:38:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
I'm a bit concerned that the average person who has never heard of Eve would assume it's a Queef shirt.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:41:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Jada Maroo Right about now CCP is handing out free hoodies.
If ccp sold quafe hoodies i would so buy one.
I'm a bit concerned that the average person who has never heard of Eve would assume it's a Queef shirt.
Perhaps that is why they couldn't sell it in can form
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Jasmine Dupre
Kharn Empire Knights Of Freedoms
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:45:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:52:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I hope you can do something to get all that money back if you do have to leave.
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:09:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Jasmine Dupre
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I'm pretty sure you can sell the account with the year included for a higher fee.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:24:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Urah Dedman
Originally by: Jasmine Dupre I hate to tell you but most people who give a **** don't post in kiddie rage forums there intent or issues but wait in silence until all is confirmed, at which time they will simply not resub. I myself rarely post on the forums due to the extensive amount of crap on here however if CCP do allow RMT for in game effecting items then i will leave also. Oh and I'm not poor also unfortunately signed a year sub on 3 accounts :(
I hope you can do something to get all that money back if you do have to leave.
Yeha, i'd put it in a playerBlog and leak it to the forums. CCP is somewhat understanding when you put it in a blog. Explain about how you need the money back for something vain and shallow.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:45:00 -
[398]
Updated OP with Meissa Anunthiel's Summary.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:53:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Elaine Eza
Quote:
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
What about "convinience sales" a.k.a extra fitting slots etc. where CCP first takes a feature away from the game and then reimplments it for customers paying extra. Is this part of that discussion aswell? Is there also a discussion about removing all microtransactions? Is the CSM already sold on the idea of vanity items?
Short of a mass exodus of players like 1/3 or more canceling subscriptions, daily online population dropping to reflect this, MT are in EVE to stay. Total BS in my view as a customer when players pay for EVE to be developed and our own funding is used to build the very mechanisms that are used to sell us more crap.
From the business aspect is makes total sense you have a population and can charge them for things when plenty are willing, if not eager, to do so.
If we are fortunate we might see the convenience charges mentioned not implemented for a fee BUT more than likely new features that SHOULD or WOULD have been part of developing EVE will be introduced as convenience services later on. As an example say CCP introduces a new pay service to have a longer skill queue, or allowing you to have extra wallet divisions, or a 'bank' feature.
MT for vanity only is just the beginning towards more MT, accountants and 'bizdev' types will continually point out the willingness of players to enjoy those services for a price. What could be a greater drive for more MT than vanity MT data, because the thinking then goes to 'why aren't they buying this crap' and 'how can we get them to buy more of this crap' which leads to 'if they don't want to buy THIS crap what WOULD they like to buy'.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:18:00 -
[400]
Without any sort of foundation, or positions, its hard to find the right perspective about CSM updates.
What i mean is, lets say CSM Dirtbag is in FAVOR of all MT and doesnt like the old Hangar but wants the NEW HANGAR ONLY, goes to Meeting, then gets on the forums and says "Things went well today, very positive, lots of good news...."
Does it mean the same thing as CSM Rationalperson who has actualy asked his consituents what THEY want, what THEIR concerns are, and then brought THOSE perspectives to Iceland for the meeting. And gets back and says "Things went well today, very positive, lots of good news...."
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Anon Forumalt6858
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:01:00 -
[401]
After reading the first day updates, i have to say that Mittens and Meissa Anunthiel did awesome with their reports. Both accounts seemed realistic and honest. The blog that I felt frustrated reading was Trebor's. It seemed overly fake. We've been bull****ted enough and it would be nice if all of our elected delegates would respect that.
Get your **** together, Trebor. - His name was John Turbefield!
CCP: We are adults who wage economic, social, and tactical warfare on each other for fun. Don't **** with us. |
Ned Black
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:36:00 -
[402]
Just a small question...
When has CCP backed on one of their ideas... EVER?
To my knowledge they have always stuck to their guns and just kept on rolling.
Why should they act any diffrent now?
Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT and so the players have pretty much already lost.
Sure the NeX store features crazy expensive stuff that from what I have seen is bought not because it looks good but because it will troll people in the forums.
So lets face it MTs are here to stay, non vanity MTs will most likely begin to arrive in a while and the CSM meeting is just a PR stunt to keep people from unsubbing.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 01/07/2011 06:02:07
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak Lol at all these protestors thinking that they have a voice. Those that sign up to the unsub thread. Lets look at this.
Eve has around 300k subscribers at last count. <10k unsub. Look at it this way. At a table of 30 people, most of whom don't care about MT/NeX, a few are looking forward to shiny things to blow up, and 1 person is jumping up and down demanding that they would be heard.
Can you see how petty this discussion is? 30 people, only 1 of whom are against it. So 29 to 1 effectively. Hell, if this were an election, it would be a landslide...
You firmly believe 29/30 people would want MT beyound vanity?
9/10 people also loves a good gang ****. Does that make ok for the 10th person?
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:08:00 -
[404]
who actuallly cares if someone wants to spend $100 on a pixel outfit for there man doll. dosnt effect anything, dosnt harm me, my corp, my alliance or my friends. start selling peopel better ships/mods/ammo for that $100 bucks becomes a whole different ball game.
There needs to be the old hanger(less intensive station environment) enter CQ button. what ever ccp broke with the client needs fixing ive lost the ability to run more than 2 accounts at once, and this is anoying as 6-8 was possible beofre this patch with no issues. and before some fool says its you pc, its not it incarna. the client is more messed up than after the dom expansion.
i think these should be the main two topics for the csm, who gives a flying **** how much a man doll outfit costs. like come on
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:33:00 -
[405]
I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd."
"(Trebor):I think everyone agrees on this point."
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Mattias Kerensky
Minmatar The Flying Tigers Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:07:00 -
[406]
CCP! We need Tech 3 Carriers in the Nex store! I'd soooooooo buy one.
Paraphrased from Top Gear: Imagine if you saw the entire French Air Force crash into a fireworks factory, that's the laugh that CCP gives us every time they do anything. |
Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:28:00 -
[407]
Edited by: Ranita Drell on 01/07/2011 07:33:30
Originally by: Malcanis I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd.
Good to hear, but I don't feel like that "one thing" is the only thing that matters. It is easily the most important thing, sure. However, I think if they could wrangle an announcement like this out of CCP, I'd regard it as significant also:
Quote: "Developing Incarna was a lot of hard work, and we are proud of what we've achieved with it so far. We intend for it to be an integral aspect of the EVE Online experience and we were (and still are) hopeful that our customers would greet the opportunity to personalize their characters with items from the NeX store with enthusiasm, and provide a new, robust revenue stream that would allow us to not only put out more vanity items for our customers, but also provide resources to develop other aspects of EVE, including WIS and the spaceship-exploding part that we all love.
However, in our enthusiasm, we made some mistakes in judgment and implementation. Foremost among our errors was a failure to heed the feedback we'd received from the community regarding CQ. CQ is currently more demanding on hardware than we'd like, and we now recognize that this is an issue for many players, including some of our most dedicated players who engage in multi-client play. Other players have registered their concerns regarding the immersion-breaking aspects of forced decanting from the pod, a concern that we should have been more sensitive to, considering that that we'd hoped Incarna to be one of our greatest steps in realizing the EVE universe to date, and a boon to all who enjoy immersing themselves in the strange and harsh world that is New Eden. We also recognize that certain usability features in the hangar view were removed, along with the popular amusement offered by ship spinning. Players were understandably upset by these changes, and until now we did not greet those concerns with the respect to which they are entitled.
For these reasons, in the next patch we will be including a button in the client which allows users to switch between the CQ view and the hangar view while docked. While we are proud of the work we've done on Incarna and will continue to improve upon it, we see now that in forcing our players to unnecessarily interface with this new feature, we were doing them a disservice. With this change, we expect many of you will remain in the cozy confines of the pod, but we're confident that as we expand and enhance on the groundwork we've laid with Incarna, you will not be able to resist the lure of your quarters and the environments that lie beyond."
The TLDR of that is that they restore the hangar view and acknowledge that not doing so in the first place was wrong-headed.
And it's not just about the flaws with CQ or the merits of the hangar view themselves that is the issue, but the mentality behind CCP's decision to force-feed us a half-baked expansion that serves primarily as a vanity display case and CCP's failure to own up to it after months of feedback. That's the sort of thing we should be fighting them on, regardless of what answer to the big yellow question they end up giving.
Before MT, design decisions could be boiled down to CCP's notion of how many customers they'd end up attracting, losing or retaining with a change. With MT, design decisions have to be made in the context of how they will influence MT sales also. The CQ/hangar view issue shows (in a relatively small way) how MT can influence design against us. We must guard against such trespasses!
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:09:00 -
[408]
Edited by: Franz Sigel on 01/07/2011 08:17:13
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Here's my summary blog posting about day one. Enjoy.
Thx a lot, Trebor!! Finally some information out of the noise of premature judgement in this forum! (feels like a whale in search for plankton with his whalebone - tons of water and sometimes a micro-shrimp! )
Edit: I've already been presuming this was a communication breakdown. Would be confirmed my RL business experience - and I've been in the loops of some enterprise communication circuit by now! Hopefully, this will also be the final judgement in this case!
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:15:00 -
[409]
Wow nice summary. At least one shimmer of hope, and two most awesome quotes:
Originally by: Trebor Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
Originally by: Trebor Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
Actually, someone get T'Amber to photoshop that, I'd so put that into by signature.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:16:00 -
[410]
Originally by: Malcanis I'm in contact with Trebor. He's not the gullible idiot some of you seem to enjoy assuming that he is, and even if he were, the rest of the CSM aren't. He's fully aware that as far as we're concerned the CSM are there to do one thing on our behalf.
Quoted from an email I had from him last night:
"(Me): But there's really only one question that matters... if they give the wrong answer to that then everything else is sugaring the turd."
"(Trebor):I think everyone agrees on this point."
I think the CSM are all most likely, highly knowledgeable individuals about Eve, and all quite intelligent, however we don't have practically any exposure to them.
The Eve Radio broadcast was quite eye opening on how competent they actually are.
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:21:00 -
[411]
One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
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impli
Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:24:00 -
[412]
Edited by: impli on 01/07/2011 08:25:08
Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:24:00 -
[413]
Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
I doubt the CSM kept the yellow question for today, CCP probably wouldn't discuss it until they decided it was time, which is day two (today?).
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:26:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Trebor Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
I usually don't ROFL - but this is a textbook example of "performative self-contradiction"!!
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 08:27:00 -
[415]
Originally by: impli Edited by: impli on 01/07/2011 08:25:08
Originally by: shilpi One day over, and seems nothing important came out of it. The big question was not discussed... which should have been the only question imho.
CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
They have specifically kept this discussion for today, when people will be in a hurry to finish up and leave for their homes.
always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:06:00 -
[416]
Originally by: shilpi Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
People should relax, two day meetings don't cut the big meat as soon as you sit down.
In order to create a decent athmosphere there needs to be progress on smaller stuff.
And I don't think only one question needed answering, there where many, we will see today
what will be said about "gold ammo" and make our conclusions. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:07:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Ned Black Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT
That's because there's nothing wrong, whatsoever, with vanity-only MT. It hurts no one, doesn't affect the game, and if people with disposable cash want to spend it on vanity items for their character ... so what? --
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Ramatak
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:09:00 -
[418]
always those childish crying .. every business man or woman knows .. the big topic will always discussed to an end of a meeting because if they discuss it at the start all other small / not so important thingis are discussed with a half mind on it.
Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
So what you are saying is that your opinion is the only one that matters. Yes it is the main topic in alot of peoples eyes. But it d*** sure ain't the only one.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:11:00 -
[419]
Originally by: shilpi CSM members don't even remember "That big yellow question", just hoping that was a joke.
Of course they remember it. Of course they know it's not a joke. Trebor specifically said it was the topic of day two. --
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Tron Flux
Caldari Live Once Die Twice New Edge Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:54:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis
Originally by: Ned Black Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT
That's because there's nothing wrong, whatsoever, with vanity-only MT. It hurts no one, doesn't affect the game, and if people with disposable cash want to spend it on vanity items for their character ... so what?
But but but but what about the indies? Vanity items are new stuff introduced that people don't make in game.
Vanity items are EEEEEEEEVIL.
Vanity items will ruin the eve/player economy.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:01:00 -
[421]
I can't help but shake my head at people asking everyone to have patience. We have been patient since Dominion. What you are seeing is the reaction to a couple years of problems.
This is not only about that final straw that broke the camels back, but the entire heap of straws that have been ignored over the years by CCP.
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:02:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis
Originally by: Ned Black Besides. People have already shifted from "No MT whatsoever" to "No non-vanity MT" which is kind of a huge change if you think about it. People have already accepted MT
That's because there's nothing wrong, whatsoever, with vanity-only MT. It hurts no one, doesn't affect the game, and if people with disposable cash want to spend it on vanity items for their character ... so what?
Ack! It's not about MT , it's about game breaking MT! Vanity items don't break! Whoever wants to buy her char a golden nose for the daily RL gold price may safely do so!
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:04:00 -
[423]
Edited by: Franz Sigel on 01/07/2011 10:06:08
Originally by: shilpi Lol Business Tycoon... This should have been only thing which needed discussion.
No need to be a business tycoon. Just be informed about common practice.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:08:00 -
[424]
Just replace the current Nex with something everyone would like... yes, it is possible for CCP to earn extra money without the rage!
check my sig if you want to see my solution. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:25:00 -
[425]
C&P: RE: station View -
I think what annoys people most is that it's not even an OPTION. I'm not talking about turning CQ off in the settings, that's already there... and we get a horrible picture of a door. What is reasonable and realistic, is to be able to dock in your ship and still be in your ship while in the station if you're just quickly making some adjustments....for example, you need to fit an extra hardener or drop off some loot, or why not, admire your sexy ship and spin it a few times!
From a Practical and immersive point of view....as it is, doesn't work at the moment
I've said it so many times, but, you should be able to exit your ship from the station view and enter the captains quarters. This, Just for the people that want to walk in the station, sit on the sofa and other pointless activities. Each to their own.
Does that sound like something that should happen? I honestly don't think CCP are taking this particular issue seriously. It's getting buried under all the monocle and MT talk. yobo |
Genie ExTS
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:26:00 -
[426]
what a bunch of garbage coming out of this "negotiations"
and ppl are actually buying their "peace talks" progression
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Coco Caine
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:09:00 -
[427]
So. With our moneys they invited the CSM for talks, had them sign seven 66 page NDAs and treated them with an overdose of booze and food?
The dev blog better be a good read...
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:28:00 -
[428]
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead OK, we've thrashed something out, and are working on draft CCP and CSM statements. It will clear many things up. #csm6 #tweetfleet 8 minutes ago
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:46:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I can't help but shake my head at people asking everyone to have patience. We have been patient since Dominion. What you are seeing is the reaction to a couple years of problems.
This is not only about that final straw that broke the camels back, but the entire heap of straws that have been ignored over the years by CCP.
Couldnt of put it better myself..
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Just Another Toon
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:49:00 -
[430]
Originally by: ISquishWorms Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead OK, we've thrashed something out, and are working on draft CCP and CSM statements. It will clear many things up. #csm6 #tweetfleet 8 minutes ago
it will clear things up - meaning, CCP are sticking by their guns and have filled us with beer and we agree to everything they tell us.. I want to know what CCPs vision for eve is for the next 5 years
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:49:00 -
[431]
"The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO."
Screenies, please!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:50:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I can't help but shake my head at people asking everyone to have patience. We have been patient since Dominion. What you are seeing is the reaction to a couple years of problems.
This is not only about that final straw that broke the camels back, but the entire heap of straws that have been ignored over the years by CCP.
yeah the calls for patience again and again are a bit old now. The limit of patience passed a long time ago.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.07.01 12:01:00 -
[433]
"Please be patient while keeping paying."
Yeah right.
I'd have more patience if I wasn't footing the bill for it.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:51:00 -
[434]
Trebor's Summary
"CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart."
Blech! Can you roll over an play dead, too?
Seriously, if this level of sucking up to CCP is indicative of the state negotiations, then I weep for the future.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:09:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Trebor's Summary
"CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart."
Blech! Can you roll over an play dead, too?
Seriously, if this level of sucking up to CCP is indicative of the state negotiations, then I weep for the future.
Maybe CCP started by stating that they have developed a new type engine for space exploration? Guess that's pretty smart since NASA and its Russian and European counterparts are still stuck with rockets to propel crafts into space..
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: vasuul on 01/07/2011 15:24:09 For those of you in the doom and gloom mode that say your patience is gone might I remind you if this fails the options you have left
1.shoot the statue's in mass protest again and create more stink to get ccp back to the table again. 2. unsub. 3. deal with with what ever they say and try to over come and adapt as all eve players have done in the past and ride that busted mule til its dead garnering any pleasure where you can find it.
I for one am hoping for the best. I mean we all love the EVE we remember ,or else we wouldn't be here trying so hard to find out which way these talks are going to go.
We lose nothing by trying to negotiate a settlement.
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Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:18:00 -
[437]
What ever comes out of this CSM meeting i'm canceling 2 accounts for at least one month.
I think CCP behavior in the last weeks deserves that.
If all goes well i will reactivate in 1 month (30 euros loss to CCP, consider it a slap on the wrist).
If all goes south i will completely cancel all accounts.
___________________________________________ Hilmar in his childhood
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RUS Comannder
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Posted - 2011.07.02 02:14:00 -
[438]
I choose not to buy game advantage items which have not been produced by the in-game economy and I choose not to be subject to those who do buy game advantage items which have not been produced by the in-game economy.
CCP's CEO said this is a time when they have to watch what the subscribers do and not what they say. What I have done is remove half of the income they derived from my being a subscriber and that I am willing to remove the other half if the game moves in a direction I am not willing to go. It is not because I did not get my way as I have never gotten my way on any expansion. It is not that I am resisting change, I am resisting a BAD change.
Conga lines and memorial shooting were signs of unity, just as a few rushed out to buy monocles as a show of unity. Once CCP decides at this juncture of this painful process, it will be written in stone and I will either re-open my accounts or close the remainder. All of them are paid up through the early part of 2012.
It will sadden my heart if I must send this 2004 'toon to the biomass along with his brothers and sisters. If the outcome is a further disappointment to me, I will reprocess all of my ships and items and place the isk in one account. I will keep my eyes open to the next time CCP does a Plex drive for a charitable reason, open the cashbox account and donate it all; right around thirty eight billion as of today, plus 300mil to 400mil a day in sales as the orders taper out.
If the decision goes badly, I will not participate in any further protests or do anything spiteful to new players, as those who remain will have enough grief coming their way.
If, by this time in the course of events, you believe the price of the monocle or ship spinning has anything to do with the issue, you have absolutely no idea what the issue is about.
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