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Upde
Upde Harris Industries
47
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:34:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Upde wrote:Batelle wrote:What "media pressure" are you referring to or expecting to appear? There is no shitstorm. There is only a threadnaught. [quote=Upde]are any of those parts directed at the in game character or the person driving the character. You see this is why the grey line of in game / outgame meta gaming has been crossed and why there is going to be more than this threadnought with regards to a shitstorm. I'm sure a line of some kind was crossed somewhere. But that doesn't mean CCP should do anything about it. Also, if I play eve with someone regularly because they're in my corp, and I take a dislike to that person, I'm definitely disliking the person, not the character. Eve is a game played by persons. We as RL people are literally game content.
I beg to differ if CCP think this is bringing them as a company and their product into disrepute they will do something. It is comparable to the fanfest incident because it is another public rinsing of some "dirty EVE laundry" which likely won't paint the kind of public picture CCP want for themselves.
Its likely that it will run out of legs, but it only takes for a liberal do gooder journo to make this rage out of control if it gets picked up and that is something we would all be naive to dsicount based on the fact it has been published outside of these forums in other mainstream channels. |
Drakast
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:35:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Drakast wrote:144 pages later and ive just proved to myself i will m*sturbate to anything.
if i told you i was psychotic, deranged and incarcerated for more than 20 years, for terrible crimes against society and i play this game every day from my jail cell, are you all going to shout and moan til i get banned? or does it already say somewhere that prisoners are not allowed to play eve?
there is a line to be drawn and its down to you lot to draw it. if you think ero deserves punishment then go out and form up a hell camp, band together and make his eve life short and pain filled
stop asking ccp to nanny you anymore than it has to. we live in the sandbox, if you dont like whats going on sort it out yourselves.
ero went too far (from what ive seen on this monster thread) sort him out. simple.
end of thread I've worked alongside a lot of ex-cons and to bring ex-cons into this would be off the mark. The reason why I state that is because every ex-con I ever spoke to about their sentence pretty much said the same thing, to paraphrase "I know what I was doing when I did it and when I got caught I knew where I was going". I have yet to see that kind of honesty from the Bonus Room Fetishists.
there are no ex cons from bar L
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
309
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:35:00 -
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Oooh. This is one sick puppy. The Narcissism is palatable. Funny thing about psychotics. They have no clue they're...right. The "friends"? They could be cops. "I see, are you working for CCP...?" Nice. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
683
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:36:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion.
Be as specific as possible. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1578
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:37:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its OK buddy. We understand. But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed. It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come. And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet ' THEY WILL COME. And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.
You really are scary. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
268
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:38:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.
I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.
But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.
You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.
This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.
This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?
CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.
However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
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Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:39:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its OK buddy. We understand. But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed. It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come. And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet ' THEY WILL COME. And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.
I think you lost credibility with this one. I seriously doubt the FBI are going to get out of bed for this. The likely outcome here is that CCP take a public hosing, E1 et al. take an EVE ass reaming i.e permaban / account loss etc, the "contestant" takes a 30 day for inciting racial hatred................. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
204
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:40:00 -
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The Lynch Mob is standing in the street holding up a rope, armed and angry, what you going to do CCP? Senex Legio |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
787
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:40:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both.
There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument.
But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Iso Anneto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:42:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far .
Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17513
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:43:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its OK buddy. We understand. But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed. It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come. And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet ' THEY WILL COME. And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it. You do know what happened the last time the FBI tried to do something in Iceland don't you? Contrary to popular belief, US law only applies in the US.
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Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
627
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Would that 3rd party not vphave to confirm consent from you and the pereon you are calling in order to do so? Firstly consent was given as far as I can tell, secondly you're blindly ignoring that in real life there are 3rd parties who can, and often do record phone calls without either parties consent; you may even have heard of these third parties, or voted for them, they're called governments. I have heard of them. I have not heard of any EVE player being a government or having that right. And no, consent is not confirmed. 1) There is no evidence that the victim is even in the channel at the time it is said. 2) There is no evidence that the victim even hears that being said. 3) There is no expression of consent on the part of the victim to being recorded. 4) There is no implied consent on the part of the victim for being recorded, because it is not specifically stated by the recorder. 5) There is no expression of consent to distribution of the recording. If you don't confirm the above from every participant in the recording, the recording is infact illegal. Thats just how it is. That is how arbitrary the law is on matters such as this, and in general.
Lol. Let's run with this.
1) There is no evidence that suggests the victim was not in the room. 2) There is no evidence that suggests the victim did not hear. 3) Even if this were true, the victim was made aware of the recordings through the comms program and by choosing to stay was consenting to the recording. 4) See above. 5) If IRL names were being revealed, this would matter. Since they're not, this is irrelevant.
Isn't court fun?
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both. There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument. But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either.
It also depends under which circumstances words were spoken. If he said it in belief that E1 actions were sincere then all good but when E1 actions are quite obviously premeditated attempt to inflict emotional harm then at some point there's no consent as it was given under stress, pressure, outside influence and so on.
I know you all trying to help the dude but just let it go and let's wait for CCP. If they go silent about it then **** it I'll be the next guy to cut my accounts by half cause I simply do not like where this is heading if not constrained asap. I want to play a game but this is not a game anymore if you allow for **** like that to go on. |
Delicious Charen-Teng
Do Not Ride The Bomb
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:44:00 -
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I can't believe that this community is justifying a person treating another person like this. I've even heard CSM member likening people's anger against this to the behaviour of a homophobic dictator.
Is this the 'New' Eden.
Not at all sure I want to be a part of it anymore.
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Powers Sa
991
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Burn Jita, Interdictions, etc, were not aimed at any particular individual.
I've noticed you in palas the past few weeks and let you be. If you're going to start posting again, I may have to fire the engines of woe back up. lol |
Destitute Tehol Beddict
ROC Incorporated The ROC
9
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:45:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both. There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument. But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either.
He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense? |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2427
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:45:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:The Lynch Mob is standing in the street holding up a rope, armed and angry, what you going to do CCP?
What lynch mob? Aside from a few hundred people in this thread, no one seems to care from what I can tell. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
3416
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:46:00 -
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Going through this thread I only see 1 thing.
Idiots on both sides of the fence.
Luminous whatever with his ******** entitlement "lets get the FBI involved" to others thinking of doing even worse.
You people need to step back and let CCP do their job. If they feel they don't need to do anything then that is it.
If you really feel you need make a change, there is a JOB section @ CCPgames.com Go make your difference instead of whining here on the forums.
What a bunch of bloody posers. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
628
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:47:00 -
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Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote: He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense?
Yes.
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:48:00 -
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Batelle wrote: What lynch mob? Aside from a few hundred people in this thread, no one seems to care from what I can tell.
The lack of people commenting, at the moment atleast, is because not everybody knows yet. If this hits RL news, like the battle in B-R there will be a ungodly amount of hate, hassle and bad press for CCP
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
787
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:48:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:E1 actions are quite obviously premeditated attempt to inflict emotional harm Please. His actions were premeditated to garner some lulz, albeit in a juvenile fashion, and someone who probably shouldn't be playing serious business internet games went hulk mode on him. There are japanese game shows which will do far worse to you. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2427
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:48:00 -
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Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:I can't believe that this community is justifying a person treating another person like this. I've even heard CSM member likening people's anger against this to the behaviour of a homophobic dictator.
Is this the 'New' Eden.
Not at all sure I want to be a part of it anymore.
Better read those CSM posts more carefully then. He's merely stating that banning erotica1 is not justified in this situation. That's not the same as justifying any of erotica1's actions. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
24
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:48:00 -
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Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far . Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed.
OK theoretically i scam you . Take all you isk and assets . Then give you a chance to get them back using the bonus room method . NOW say you have a lot of time and effort put into the game. you are going to comply due to the coercion of holding you entire eve career assets to ransom if you do not . If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this . I WILL tell why due to the fact that CCP would ban him for going to far. The coercion element of the bonus room aspect of the scam is what negates any consent given to the scammer by the victim . Still the victim should have been wiser and quit after the initial scam. The scammer should have used moderation and quit while he was ahead , instead of being a narcissistic prick |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
787
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:49:00 -
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Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote:He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense? Well if his consent isn't recorded, what use would it be? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:49:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:Batelle wrote: What lynch mob? Aside from a few hundred people in this thread, no one seems to care from what I can tell.
The lack of people commenting, at the moment atleast, is because not everybody knows yet. If this hits RL news, like the battle in B-R there will be a ungodly amount of hate, hassle and bad press for CCP
Already is. Somebody posted a link to games website and all you need to do is read those comment sections. It's bad and CCP is busy building ******** monuments instead of dealing with this **** asap. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
492
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:49:00 -
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http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-recording-guide/consent-and-its-limits
As with most legal issues the answer to the consent question is not clear. Erotica 1 would most likely escape any legal action because this is too small-time for anyone to be interested in it. But you never know.
What if the victim withdraws his consent to be taped, or to have the conversation distributed? In a context like this one, when the sole purpose of the recording is to embarrass this person, and when the recording serves no other purpose, I suspect that the consent could be withdrawn at any time.
To those of you who support the Bonus Room as a legitimate Eve activity, what is the line an Eve player would have to cross to get you to admit he did something wrong? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
787
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:50:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this You can't sing songs via text. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:50:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-recording-guide/consent-and-its-limits
As with most legal issues the answer to the consent question is not clear. Erotica 1 would most likely escape any legal action because this is too small-time for anyone to be interested in it. But you never know.
What if the victim withdraws his consent to be taped, or to have the conversation distributed? In a context like this one, when the sole purpose of the recording is to embarrass this person, and when the recording serves no other purpose, I suspect that the consent could be withdrawn at any time.
To those of you who support the Bonus Room as a legitimate Eve activity, what is the line an Eve player would have to cross to get you to admit he did something wrong?
It would have to happen to them or somebody they actually care about. Narrow minded mentality. |
Iso Anneto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:51:00 -
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Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both. There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument. But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either. He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense?
You sound like you're supporting E1 there, since that statement says that he consented out of the recording because if he didn't, he would've known they were recording and told them not to, but we heard nothing like that. |
Eric Stratton
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:51:00 -
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You know what? Everything is fine. Everything is gonna be OK. I understand you are angry... but it will pass. They are boys on the playground, and you are a grown man. Don't let them get to you. You know you're better than that! Anyway, when you are ready I made your favorite dish for dinner tonight!
*Hugs* |
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