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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:39:00 -
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Some people/organizations just prefer casual pvp. Not everyone is in a major alliance or huge corp and has the manpower and dedication to commit to deplexing and the other obligations that comes with living deep in the warzone. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
151
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:41:00 -
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Beardon wrote:I never really got this mentality to be honest. Granted, losing a home system that you're invested in sucks, as you guys have demonstrated recently, but it's also what makes it interesting and fun. Defending Eha against the rampaging hordes of TESTies, day in and day out for weeks, was one of the most memorable times of my EVE career. You hit the nail on the head: investing yourself and your corp in a system, inside the warzone, makes all the difference in the world.
To FW pilots everywhere: if you're here for the PvP, then sack up and claim a system as your home. Defend it to the bitter end against all comers. You'll have more gudfites than you know what to do with, and will gain the respect of your fellow militia pilots and those from the opposite factions as well. There's a reason that the recent article on TMC about Innia had such respect shown by both sides: because we've all been here before, and fighting hard against a capable opponent who is there for the same reasons you are is the best that EVE has to offer IMO.
THAT is what FW is about. Ignore the farmers and the stabs and the cloaks - they're irrelevant. Focus on the pew, with folks who pew back.
You'll be far, far happier for it. |
Beardon
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
26
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:03:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Some people/organizations just prefer casual pvp. Not everyone is in a major alliance or huge corp and has the manpower and dedication to commit to deplexing and the other obligations that comes with living deep in the warzone.
True, I shouldn't have generalized so much. If you don't have the manpower to hold a system it'll probably just be more hassle then it's worth. You can still do what a lot of smaller groups did with Innia though (and I'm sure eha/nenn too) and just base with other big groups.
While typing I was thinking about those who questioned our fall back to Hyk after Innia fell, and argued for us to settle in outside the WZ in Ich or Onnamon. I get temporarily pulling out to get all your stuff organized, that makes sense. Thankfully our organization is large enough and was ready enough to just base in Hyk immediately. However, there were some that wanted to settle outside permanently, and that's what I don't get. It seems risk averse, and like it would result in less passionate pvp. Even having you guys next door, I felt like I knew you guys; there was an odd sort of intimacy there.
Now I'm just getting all sentimental.... Has Eha been ok? Did you remember to water the garden?
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
152
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:14:00 -
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Beardon wrote: Even having you guys next door, I felt like I knew you guys; there was an odd sort of intimacy there. Now I'm just getting all sentimental.... Has Eha been ok? Did you remember to water the garden? Eha's doing fine, and we miss you guys too. It's why we sent some folks up to Villasen to keep you company and all - didn't want you to feel like you weren't appreciated |
Stig Sterling
Rapid Withdrawal
0
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:12:00 -
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I'm glad this thread turned into a love-fest about FW, tbh listening to all the complaining gets old. Spread the love fellow eggers- shoot more ships! |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
306
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:45:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Im not saying you shouldnt run away when you believe the odds are not good, i do it aswell cause im not ******** but common... Its just frustrating.. Granted, from what I've heard there's not many corps in the Min/Amarr zone who actually live full time in a lowsec warzone system, so that's probably part of it.
probably because they have been evicted. Completely strategic planning putting all the slaves into 1 system. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
709
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:00:00 -
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Sorry to break up the love fest between some of you. But.... familiarity breeds contempt. The more acquainted one becomes with an opponent, the more one knows about his or her shortcomings and, hence, the easier it is to dislike that person. Which is why some of us are glad that you guys are out of Innia. And I'm sure some of you are glad you don't have to fight us. We're all too familiar with your shortcomings and meta game that comes along with it.
No more having to deal with meta **** fit ships when some of us put t2 stuff on the line for the sake of isk efficiency. No more 15 man frigate gangs blobbing up a plex waiting for the 5 opponents in local to undock. No more of having the opponent wait in the small plex with 10 people while the other opponent is in the novice with 15 people and both sides smacking each other goading the other side to warp into their plex. If this is the sort of passionate pvp that some people speak of, then no thank you.
PS- I'm sure both sides do it. Which is why it's good the system was lost. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2134
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Posted - 2014.04.08 22:52:00 -
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Hold on, let me catch my breath after getting in on over 1k kills in the past 40 days.... (all while making decent bank from FW LP).
hold up...
ok... ready...
FW is broken. It's full of farmers and I can't get any good fights anywhere.
... OK off to my crew quarters to get some sleep. o/ |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
249
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:48:00 -
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Plato Forko wrote:I don't particularly care about the farmers, but it's part of what I think is borked with FW and it boils down to this: you're rewarded more for small actions than for doing anything big. When someone invests all the time in putting together a proper fleet to go and occupy a plex against any aggressors, it's a slap in the face to not only get less LP individually for the effort, but also to see the contest rate only change as much as it would have if a single condor ran the plex instead. So in the world of FW, the more time and ISK you risk, the LESS you're rewarded, and that, to me at least, seems totally contrary to how the rest of EvE works.
Um, this is exactly why the rest of EVE is broken and FW is not broken. You need to live in a system and control it 24x7 to maintain ownership. You cannot hold systems unless you have a defense detachment there 24x7. There is no ninja-dropping 3000 man fleets at the last second to keep systems and undo the attackers work. QCATS is recruiting:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
769
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:19:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Some people/organizations just prefer casual pvp. Not everyone is in a major alliance or huge corp and has the manpower and dedication to commit to deplexing and the other obligations that comes with living deep in the warzone.
This is me whenever I join FW. I don't have a big corp, and don't really even like anything that resembles 'holding SOV'. But FW always has a PvP environment available. I can get my PvP fix when I want, and farm to keep my accounts active. I'd like to add, with PLEX at 700mil-ish, farming for PLEX is no quick chore. It will take most newish pilots a lot of days to earn ISK for PLEX.
I also want to add: I need a golf clap or an atta boy, for resisting the urge to make 'Fraction Warfare' jokes
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1086
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Posted - 2014.04.10 02:39:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I also want to add: I need a golf clap or an atta boy, for resisting the urge to make 'Fraction Warfare' jokes
Is this some new sort of divisive tactic to make a small percentage of us partially feel bad for making 1/2 arsed jokes?
Oh yeah - I got 4 into one line and it almost looks like a legit post.
The remainder of my post will be serious. OH BAM!!!! ANOTHER ONE.
Docked since 2009. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
769
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Posted - 2014.04.10 05:32:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:RavenPaine wrote:I also want to add: I need a golf clap or an atta boy, for resisting the urge to make 'Fraction Warfare' jokes Is this some new sort of divisive tactic to make a small percentage of us partially feel bad for making 1/2 arsed jokes? Oh yeah - I got 4 into one line and it almost looks like a legit post. The remainder of my post will be serious. OH BAM!!!! ANOTHER ONE.
Just: Seriously good post. I lol'd
You sir, have 100% grip on Fraction wars, proving it is not broken. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
960
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Posted - 2014.04.10 05:35:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:RavenPaine wrote:I also want to add: I need a golf clap or an atta boy, for resisting the urge to make 'Fraction Warfare' jokes Is this some new sort of divisive tactic to make a small percentage of us partially feel bad for making 1/2 arsed jokes? Oh yeah - I got 4 into one line and it almost looks like a legit post. The remainder of my post will be serious. OH BAM!!!! ANOTHER ONE. Solid gold. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1427
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:21:00 -
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Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,
hunting FW WT targets in high-sec i often meet with industrials filled all low-slots by WCs. It's about 6. sometimes they fit tank in med. average speed of industrials is 4.5+ AU.
What would you advice to hunt such targets solo?
Hint: it's not always possible to fill your meds by scramblers. 4 med slots is too rare case for many ships. For low-sec we mostly speak of frigates/destroyers/cruisers. Check their fitting options
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
769
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Posted - 2014.04.11 01:26:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,
hunting FW WT targets in high-sec i often meet with industrials filled all low-slots by WCs. It's about 6. sometimes they fit tank in med. average speed of industrials is 4.5+ AU. What would you advice to hunt such targets solo? Hint: it's not always possible to fill your meds by scramblers. 4 med slots is too rare case for many ships. For low-sec we mostly speak of frigates/destroyers/cruisers. Check their fitting options
Heavy Interdictor. Infinite point. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1090
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Posted - 2014.04.11 02:08:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,
hunting FW WT targets in high-sec i often meet with industrials filled all low-slots by WCs. It's about 6. sometimes they fit tank in med. average speed of industrials is 4.5+ AU. What would you advice to hunt such targets solo? Hint: it's not always possible to fill your meds by scramblers. 4 med slots is too rare case for many ships. For low-sec we mostly speak of frigates/destroyers/cruisers. Check their fitting options
Industrials with WCS are not an issue.
They are the one type of ship that should be allowed to fit lots of them.
What good would low sec be if people without access to JFs couldn't get their stuff to low sec with some safety?
Docked since 2009. |
Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
933
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Posted - 2014.04.11 02:32:00 -
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You fit your ships to do a job. If that job is not getting caught you can fit WCS to it stop that from happening.
If you want to catch wcs fitted ships you change your fit.
People really should stop trying to force others to change how they fit ships and concentrate on making their own ships counter their tactics. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
307
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Posted - 2014.04.11 05:26:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:March rabbit wrote:Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen wrote:stop the wc stabs, Well there is a counter to that people have 3 stabs on ship well ill bring 2 warp scrambilers problem soved,
hunting FW WT targets in high-sec i often meet with industrials filled all low-slots by WCs. It's about 6. sometimes they fit tank in med. average speed of industrials is 4.5+ AU. What would you advice to hunt such targets solo? Hint: it's not always possible to fill your meds by scramblers. 4 med slots is too rare case for many ships. For low-sec we mostly speak of frigates/destroyers/cruisers. Check their fitting options Heavy Interdictor. Infinite point. yup that fits in all the fw plexs. |
Frammasch Durin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:32:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:RavenPaine wrote: Heavy Interdictor. Infinite point.
yup that fits in all the fw plexs.
Do Industrials fit in all the plexes? Because the Industrials that traverse FW lowsec are not the farmers we're talking about here, right? |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
769
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:35:00 -
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Frammasch Durin wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:RavenPaine wrote: Heavy Interdictor. Infinite point.
yup that fits in all the fw plexs. Do Industrials fit in all the plexes? Because the Industrials that traverse FW lowsec are not the plex farmers we're talking about here, right?
My original post was in response to another post about Hi-sec industrials. That might have gotten lost in all the copy/paste/quotes.
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Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
142
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:00:00 -
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Here's a few ideas that might bring to light some of the issues that people consider issues that need changing in FW: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336500&find=unread |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:38:00 -
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why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
944
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:59:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die.
You need to get with a good corp mate to help show you how to fight rather than relying on stabs etc.
Get over the fact that you WILL lose ships and start thinking more. You can fit up a simple condor/atron/exec/slasher whatever to kite and hold your target for less than 5-6 mil or a simple mwd brawler to catch and kill those kitey gits for similar amounts.
THINK!
if you think your target is in a paper thin kitey ship. Grab a MWD/scram fitted brawler and have a go. Or go sit in a plex with your own kitey ship and if you get a brawler show up go kill it or hold it until corp mates come and help kill it. If you get a similar ship show up to yours then you just bail if you don't fancy a contest with it.
There very few things 100% guaranteed in EVE. Stop thinking like that or you will become your own worst enemy and will probably end up quitting eve 'cos it sucks' That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:03:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die. You need to get with a good corp mate to help show you how to fight rather than relying on stabs etc. Get over the fact that you WILL lose ships and start thinking more. You can fit up a simple condor/atron/exec/slasher whatever to kite and hold your target for less than 5-6 mil or a simple mwd brawler to catch and kill those kitey gits for similar amounts. THINK! if you think your target is in a paper thin kitey ship. Grab a MWD/scram fitted brawler and have a go. Or go sit in a plex with your own kitey ship and if you get a brawler show up go kill it or hold it until corp mates come and help kill it. If you get a similar ship show up to yours then you just bail if you don't fancy a contest with it. There very few things 100% guaranteed in EVE. Stop thinking like that or you will become your own worst enemy and will probably end up quitting eve 'cos it sucks'
No. You just want me to try a bunch of times so you can get alot of free wins. How about instead of flying t2 frigates with t2 weapons, you fly around in t1 frigates with t1 weapons?
O whats that, you don't want to lose/die, so you equip your ship in a manner to avoid it's happening?
Me too. Stabs FTW Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Douglas Nolm
Minmatar Secret Service
48
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Posted - 2014.04.13 06:29:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die.
You've been here longer than I have. If you haven't trained up to tech 2 weapons and tech 2 frigs yet your skill plan needs looking at.
Obvious trolls are getting boring. |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.04.13 06:56:00 -
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Douglas Nolm wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die. You've been here longer than I have. If you haven't trained up to tech 2 weapons and tech 2 frigs yet your skill plan needs looking at. Obvious trolls are getting boring.
Unless of course I decided to not focus on frigates Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Lin Suizei
215
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Posted - 2014.04.13 09:02:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:No. You just want me to try a bunch of times so you can get alot of free wins. How about instead of flying t2 frigates with t2 weapons, you fly around in t1 frigates with t1 weapons?
O whats that, you don't want to lose/die, so you equip your ship in a manner to avoid it's happening?
Me too. Stabs FTW
A thousand likes to you, brave capsuleer, boldly embracing the spirit of Faction War more than these elite forum warriors ever will. Lol I can't delete my forum sig. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
34
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Posted - 2014.04.13 09:54:00 -
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Why broken?
Because it's the only place in EVE where you can make several billions per month absolutely risk-free, semi afk, with only 100K SP and a few million ISK invested, and by doing this you affect the PVP component of FW and also the game experience of others in a very negative way.
Of course, instead of fixing this, CCP decided to buff FW LP stores with the upcoming drone changes.
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Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
944
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:why should I properly fit my t1 frigate with t1 weapons when you'll just show up witha t2 frigate, t2 weapons, or more people?
How is it suppose to be enjoyable for me to want to try and fight back when the odds are 100% in favor of you winning due to your better equipped ships and more people?
Of course I'm going to fly with stabs, auto-loss isn't fun and the only chance I have at "winning" is to try and not die. You need to get with a good corp mate to help show you how to fight rather than relying on stabs etc. Get over the fact that you WILL lose ships and start thinking more. You can fit up a simple condor/atron/exec/slasher whatever to kite and hold your target for less than 5-6 mil or a simple mwd brawler to catch and kill those kitey gits for similar amounts. THINK! if you think your target is in a paper thin kitey ship. Grab a MWD/scram fitted brawler and have a go. Or go sit in a plex with your own kitey ship and if you get a brawler show up go kill it or hold it until corp mates come and help kill it. If you get a similar ship show up to yours then you just bail if you don't fancy a contest with it. There very few things 100% guaranteed in EVE. Stop thinking like that or you will become your own worst enemy and will probably end up quitting eve 'cos it sucks' No. You just want me to try a bunch of times so you can get alot of free wins. How about instead of flying t2 frigates with t2 weapons, you fly around in t1 frigates with t1 weapons? O whats that, you don't want to lose/die, so you equip your ship in a manner to avoid it's happening? Me too. Stabs FTW
My you are whiney little so and so aren't you.
Harden up little man or you get chewed up so quick you won't know what hit you.
And in case you probably wern't wondering I mainly fly T1 frigs with a smattering of T2 and Meta 3 fits and kill all sorts of **** with them. Get over yourself Mr Troll. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
311
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:31:00 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:Why broken?
Because it's the only place in EVE where you can make several billions per month absolutely risk-free, semi afk, with only 100K SP and a few million ISK invested, and by doing this you affect the PVP component of FW and also the game experience of others in a very negative way.
Of course, instead of fixing this, CCP decided to buff FW LP stores with the upcoming drone changes.
drone changes? you mean amarr drones will be decent now? |
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