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Another Altlol
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.25 09:00:00 -
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I don't feel that going down the path of an Ignore feature is the way. Just because you can't see people posting ****, doesn't mean they aren't turning your thread into a clusterfuck and/or derailing it. |
Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.25 11:43:00 -
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As a person who lived through the Soviet Empire I must say this thread represents every evil known to humanity. This wretched witch hunt that the ignorant are attempting to bring upon us will be met by people such as myself with full disgrace and opposition. Those who have faced the fear, deceit, and propaganda that exists in such an institution will immediately recognize this.
The original poster obviously knows not the evils which he is attempting to bring upon us, or he is a party to these ideologies. I shall not allow his ignorance of history to have any bearing on my virtual life.
The irony that his people helped bring my people out of the insanity which they lived in is not lost upon those of us who remember our pasts. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7470
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Posted - 2014.06.25 12:00:00 -
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Inshallah Eichman wrote:As a person who lived through the Soviet Empire I must say this thread represents every evil known to humanity. This wretched witch hunt that the ignorant are attempting to bring upon us will be met by people such as myself with full disgrace and opposition. Those who have faced the fear, deceit, and propaganda that exists in such an institution will immediately recognize this.
The original poster obviously knows not the evils which he is attempting to bring upon us, or he is a party to these ideologies. I shall not allow his ignorance of history to have any bearing on my virtual life.
The irony that his people helped bring my people out of the insanity which they lived in is not lost upon those of us who remember our pasts.
This kind of posting is an excellent example of why restrictions like the OP's need to be implemented.
This is a videogame forum. Shitposting and trolling are not human rights. The privilege of posting here has been abused for too long by people using NPC alts to troll and violate the forum rules without consequence to themselves. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7470
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Posted - 2014.06.25 12:01:00 -
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[edit: Accidental double post. >.< "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Egravant Alduin
republic fleet battle support
159
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Posted - 2014.06.25 12:59:00 -
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Yes but some people like solo and like forums so why they won t be able to post in here if they are not in a pc corp? Feel the wrath of the GECKO! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2249
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Posted - 2014.06.25 13:01:00 -
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Inshallah Eichman wrote: No. It will not happen. Thread done. I have already confirmed this. Thank you for your time. Thread will now be locked.
post with your main and/or **** off , the fact that you were alive in the USSR has exactly as much relevance to this discussion as my left testicle. this is not a public forum. free speech does not apply here. we are allowed post here provided we follow the rules. npc alts are the primary method this privilege is abused with and the rules circumvented . so again post with your main and/or **** off , "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Chewytowel Haklar
Minmatar Brotherhood
8
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Posted - 2014.06.25 14:31:00 -
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And what if CCP added a new mechanic to the game whereas all new player on new accounts would be kicked out of NPC corporations after X days. Thus it would give the new players X days to get acclimated to EVE, and yet also forewarn them that finding a player corporation or alliance is now in their best interest. Therefore NPC corp members would largely be dissolved from the game entirely after a set time.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2014.06.25 14:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Inshallah Eichman wrote: No. It will not happen. Thread done. I have already confirmed this. Thank you for your time. Thread will now be locked.
post with your main and/or **** off , the fact that you were alive in the USSR has exactly as much relevance to this discussion as my left testicle. this is not a public forum. free speech does not apply here. we are allowed post here provided we follow the rules. npc alts are the primary method this privilege is abused with and the rules circumvented . so again post with your main and/or **** off , How about no, and you can calm down and go outside? |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.06.25 17:04:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lady Rift wrote:nitpicking Do you have another point to raise or are you done?
I was done work for the day so I had to leave eve forums.
The amount of effort for one small subforum to make alts isn't worth it, I agree with that for the majority of eve forums I believe It is worth the effort and there will be corps made just to put alts in for forum posting. making it take even less effort. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1601
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Posted - 2014.06.25 22:44:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.26 06:42:00 -
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I'd be for this if ccp disallowed isd members with connections to Sa forums.
Until then we mist be allowed some measure of freedom.
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Michael Mach
Nova Wolves
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:30:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:E: All of you posting about play style please remember faceless NPC alt troll is not a play style its a forum rule/EULA/TOS violation.
"but, but, but, I don't have a point but want to insist this is a play style!" No it really isn't read the forum rules: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the only rules I saw regarding alt posters was ban evasion. Aside from the few forums where alt posting isn't allowed, alt posting is perfectly legal.
It's perfectly okay to have an anonymous posting alt, and I just don't think that should taken away without a really compelling reason.
If you want to address forum trolls who often use alts specifically, then address that issue separately - there's no need to create a blanket policy that would remove the ability for people to use a harmless forum alt.
-- For the record, this is not an alt, nor do I alt post. |
Dhaq
Anonymous Posters
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Posted - 2014.06.28 22:56:00 -
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Honestly, the fact that this post was not locked within the first page is astounding. The mere idea, let alone how it is being presented, drips of elitism and hypocrisy. Why is it not surprising that this abomination of an idea is put forward by a member of the one group that have stated and shown time and time again that their goal is to ruin the enjoyment, game-play, and interactions of others. Yes, let us silence all those dirty pubbies that want to have their voice heard. Simply outrageous.
The fact that CAOD is used as some kind of evidence that the implementation of this idea would have sweeping changes on the quality of postings is absolutely laughable. This is even noted by our own ISD LackOfFaith in the 14th post of this thread.
I will give you credit for one of the most impressive meta-trolls I have ever seen. Well done. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
998
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:18:00 -
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Yeah well, still worth a +1 |
Transmaritanus
Exergy.
137
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:36:00 -
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Plus 1'ing because some people have the testicular fortitude to stand behind what they say. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:03:00 -
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Dhaq wrote:Honestly, the fact that this post was not locked within the first page is astounding. The mere idea, let alone how it is being presented, drips of elitism and hypocrisy. Why is it not surprising that this abomination of an idea is put forward by a member of the one group that have stated and shown time and time again that their goal is to ruin the enjoyment, game-play, and interactions of others. Yes, let us silence all those dirty pubbies that want to have their voice heard. Simply outrageous.
Grrrr, Goons. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:20:00 -
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[quote=admiral root Grrrr, Goons. [/quote]
At this point, this is pretty much the Chewbacca defence to any argument. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:22:00 -
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What argument? All I saw was Goonspiracy and ranting. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:35:00 -
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It's a general observation. Any time any debate is raised, legitimate or not around $BIG_CORP may abuse $FEATURE the repsonse is the usual "goonspiracy" and frankly, it is tiring.
Some people clearly have quite the ego to assume that everything is about them and not a generic $BIG_CORP concern.
It shouldn't be used to stifle and dismiss legitimate argument, however seeing as that appears to be the general idea...I'm probably wasting time here.
Edit: "tu quoque", is the sunday name for the actions. If it matters. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1007
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:48:00 -
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afkalt wrote:It's a general observation. Any time any debate is raised, legitimate or not around $BIG_CORP may abuse $FEATURE the repsonse is the usual "goonspiracy" and frankly, it is tiring.
Some people clearly have quite the ego to assume that everything is about them and not a generic $BIG_CORP concern.
It shouldn't be used to stifle and dismiss legitimate argument, however seeing as that appears to be the general idea...I'm probably wasting time here.
Edit: "tu quoque", is the sunday name for the actions. If it matters. Yeah, but how is this:Dahq wrote:the one group that have stated and shown time and time again that their goal is to ruin the enjoyment, game-play, and interactions of others not clearly grr goons?
Tbf, I often notice pretty bad posts by non-goons explicitly mentioning goons, followed by usually decent posts by an actual member of GSF. |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:59:00 -
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afkalt wrote:It shouldn't be used to stifle and dismiss legitimate argument, however seeing as that appears to be the general idea...I'm probably wasting time here.
If that's what you think then you mis-understand the purpose of this thread. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:59:00 -
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And the rest of the post? About elitism? That the COAD is questionable evidence at best?
No, let's not bother with that, let's sweep it aside under "Grr goons", for a switch.
It's like a tired, broken record. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.07 11:03:00 -
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afkalt wrote:And the rest of the post? About elitism? That the COAD is questionable evidence at best? No, let's not bother with that, let's sweep it aside under "Grr goons", for a switch. It's like a tired, broken record.
Unless CCP are willing to enforce CAOD-like restrictions on another sub-forum we'll have to go with the data currently available, namely that the restrictions work. Not sure where you're getting elitism from so I really can't comment on that. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1009
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Posted - 2014.07.07 11:09:00 -
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afkalt wrote:And the rest of the post? About elitism? That the COAD is questionable evidence at best? No, let's not bother with that, let's sweep it aside under "Grr goons", for a switch. It's like a tired, broken record. Rest of Dahq's post is fine, though I personally disagree with the elitism and can't comment on CAOD - never even read it iirc.
I was just pointing out that it's usually non-goons that bring goons into the discussion, almost always in a way that detracts rather than adds to whatever their argument is. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.07.07 11:18:00 -
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And other concerns raised and swept side as collateral damage?
The excellent informational posts in the likes of missions and complexes? The master link to EFT? The fact that not even the tech support forum is excepted doesnt reek of ill thought through? The utter absence of evidence that NPC players perform the most trolling in ALL subforums. Or indeed the absence of evidence entirely other than anecdotal opinions. I will concede GD is a sewer, but most of the foums I lurk around - ships and modules, missions and complexes, warfare and tactics are not particularly badly trolled at all and at best and even split by corp type. That certain corps don't allow forum posts on mains outside of diplo contacts The inescapable fact that for this to work, ISD need better tools and that with better tools this idea is redundant in terms of forum quality.
The OP doesnt care about any of this, he just wants NPC corps and lone players gagged - and has provided no evidence to support the blanket restrictions proposed even being needed in most sub forums. The responses are "grrrr goons", "goonspiracy" and "well, that's a shame but worth it" and that's about it.
However, I've said this before and it won't change anything.
Edit: @Gully Alex Foyle
It sometimes is, yes - but it's been wheeled out repeatedly in this thread in response to posts which are nothing of the sort in a dismissive manner in order to ignore the post/questions raised. Hell I've been repeatedly accused of "goonspiracy" as if I give a damn. Check my posting history, I've not (I dont believe) even mentioned the goons, much less negatively EVER on the forums - save this thread where I was accused of it. I simply question the idea and the motives and it's all "grr goons". It's utterly laughable, tbh |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.07 12:06:00 -
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afkalt wrote:And other concerns raised and swept side as collateral damage?
The fact that not even the tech support forum is excepted doesnt reek of ill thought through? That certain corps don't allow forum posts on mains outside of diplo contacts The inescapable fact that for this to work, ISD need better tools and that with better tools this idea is redundant in terms of forum quality.
I'll address these ones:
Support forum - how about calmly and rationally pointing out that it would be a good idea to allow NPCs to post in this particular sub-forum in the event of the proposal being adopted?
Corps that don't allow their members to use the forum are bad and their members should find better homes.
OP has supported better tools for ISDs. Fortunately, they're not mutually exclusive with stopping NPCs posting on part of the forum. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.07.07 12:18:00 -
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I have already suggested it
I agree, but there are numerous out there.
They are not mutually exclusive no, however with better tools there are literally no good reasons to stop people posting under whom they so choose as it makes no difference WHO they are - their point should be taken on merit - we should not reward people with multiple accounts in different places in the meta that is the forum. We get people to behave then we can keep good, solid, grown up conversations going and it matters not a damn what the ticker says. Better tools is all that is needed - none of the good items brought up would be lost and the approximately the same amount of trash would be removed. There is no need to toss out the baby with the bathwater. I appreciate that many don't care a damn about missions and complexes, or stoicfaux spreadsheets etc, but a great many DO and brushing that sort of thing aside as "unfortunate" is not right.
Heck I'll go ahead and add Chribba to the list of "collateral" damage, because he doesn't meet the criteria either.
Frankly I'd rather divorce the forums from in game avatars entirely so that no-one knows what corp is where unless it is volunteered information - thus killing any and all prejudices on this basis (ranging from "grrr goonspiracy" to "NPCiracy") instantly and like I keep saying - discussions had based on ideas and merits and poster based attacks eliminated. |
Mag's
the united
17653
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Posted - 2014.07.08 06:47:00 -
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+ 1
I was somewhat against the idea, but have changed my opinion.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:52:00 -
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This is directed at the opening post. The idea sounds noble, and after reading a few times through, there are merits.
Consider this post as food of thought that is just being tossed in, so there is no real reason to defend your intention despite my opinion.
I still see holes though, which I would somewhere lean more over towards "nope" if my vote would ever have weight in EVE and forums (lol).
I will just throw in a few things: - This doesn't really protect either from TrollyMcMain. - Most of trolling comes from the general psyche of EVE's nation of a$$hat-ery. This is normal, and I somewhere recall "that's what makes EVE so special" - Leave the workloads of the mods to themselves. If it were such a serious problem, it's up to CCP to take care of it, since "they" have the word. Blocking off a fraction of the spam nation (which imo comes more from those in corps) won't do anything. Yes, them (NPC corp trolls) having no access to certain areas would help, but trolls are not only in NPC corps, and narrowing that fraction down won't do anything.
And even if you'd bring this idea through - If anything, you still have to consider what those who simply "don't want to be in corps" want. Just because you are in one doesn't mean they have to either.
I will cut myself short there.
Nonetheless. I've been in corp/alliances for years and am just currently in one because I feel like. I don't think I require any restrictions to post at places just because I am currently in the NPC corp either. One restriction is already in place and it's the one to have an active account subscription.
If you or CCP wants to cut the spam and "bring more quality", then why not watch out for those who really spam and deal unnecessary damage to the forum culture and have CCP rip that brain stem out by giving them harsher forum bans and such? That would be better and effective, because you'd ensure that those who are really just vile won't do it again for a while.
Yes, the forum mod team already maintains an oversight over forum actions, but I really think there should be a bit more of concordokken when it is legit.
I do not want to sound like a git, and I'm treading carefully here, but it is not rare to see corp/alliance members of Goons and others being alike the NPC folk you insist to block - and that is from my observations over all these years. I doubt one should be suggesting the blocking of big alliance corps either, so demanding denial for NPC corpies is not really worthwhile either.
I know you want quality forum, but I disagree that this will really help.
Say, if there were a suggestion or system that can actively work as a reputation/point-system which regulates forum area access, that would be something. Then again, systems can be abused, as it always has been in EVE.
Such requests need some careful scrutiny of CCP alone, like any other thread. The restriction of posting would be as big as "Remove Local/HiSec".
The OP's suggestion would only just be a drop of water on a hot rock, as they say in german.
Just food of thought. Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill A Nest of Vipers
96
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:06:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Ihold Foru wrote:Because you risk more than me? That's your only response. It's not good enough.
The only viable option I see to your argument, is ONLY restricting access in the forum section titled: EVE Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center
Everything else should remain FREE ROAM for ALL players. Besides that, get your own forums? Oh yeah, I know Goons have their own forums. With 11.5k members, I am sure that the mass of you should be able to find some good solution. Qualify that for me why is that not good enough? What is the rubric for "good enough?" Why should everything be "FREE ROAM for ALL players?" Why should a certain subset of characters be allowed to continually troll, derail, and attack other posters completely risk free while also burdening the ISD? I'll give you an example of the risk: Person in EVE University insults some mercenaries in C&P; the action. The result is the mercenaries declare war on EVE University; the consequence of the action. Person in NPC corporation member trolls a thread; the action. The result nothing, they are allowed to troll the thread ad infinitum until it gets to the point the ISD haven't many options other than to lock the thread. There is nothing I as a player can do to enact a consequence against that NPC corporation member.
You delcare war on EVE Uni coz some corp member insulted you? I hope doctors they have pills for that.
Let's straight up some thing:
1) EVE is a GAME where actions have consquences. It works pretty ok. NPC corp mambers are safer then others but since they miss all the fun I guess it's ok.
2) Forum is a TOOL for communicating with players about the game. ItGÇÖs NOT PART OF THE GAME.
3) As much as troll pis* me off, EVE forums are one of the most troll-free I have ever seen. IGÇÖm more horrified by player corp members who seem to have GÇ£I know it allGÇ¥ attitude.
4) I think that by GÇ£trollsGÇ¥ Goons juts see those who donGÇÖt agree with them.
5) Normal forum rules are pretty ok for keeping trolls in check.
6) Only thing that comes for trolls is that they can shift opinion in important subjects like ship balancing.
7) If I donGÇÖt agree with Goons on METAGAME they can throw a war on you. They canGÇÖt do that if you post by npc corp alt.
8) This subject is not about trolls - itGÇÖs a hidden demand to enable Goons to punish people who donGÇÖt agree with them on forums and interfere with solutions beneficial to them. QED.
Summary: NO WAY.
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