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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:42:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Excellent example. Do you know why one shouldn't walk home alone from a bar at night?
Of course I know why; if I walk home alone there's no one with me to buy the first round at the bar next door to my place. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1065
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:52:00 -
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I've never really considered ganking to be about income, except for maybe the first year or so.
Its not that you 'made' 100M ISK. Its that your victim lost twice as much - or more.
Running Level 4's doesn't actually accomplish anything because nobody 'loses'. The game engine will just generate as many red X's as needed to keep you in a stupor.
Killing players, podding them - and taking what they have, then watching them cry, ragepost and quit? That is the real payoff.
Still, nerfing ganking to the point where its completely unprofitable is not desirable because the ganking career path should be accessible to the new player, not just the 8 year vet with endless buckets of disposable ISK, millions of SP and a logistics backbone.
Ganking was quite accessable and profitable for entry level players in 2008 - along with other 'anti-social' pursuits like mission runner ganking and ninja looting. These days, the costs are higher, game rules are stricters and margins much thinner, due to CCP dancing to the tune of endless carebear whines. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9189
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:11:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Hey!
Weren't you banned or am I not up to date? :/
Also ... cute! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6727
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:14:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue.
Are you my real mom? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
678
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:16:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Hey! Weren't you banned or am I not up to date? :/ Also ... cute! :D
You're way out of date, I was unbanned pretty much immediately after the Summer of Rage.
Ramona McCandless wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Are you my real mom?
Maybe. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9189
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:18:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Hey! Weren't you banned or am I not up to date? :/ Also ... cute! :D You're way out of date, I was unbanned pretty much immediately after the Summer of Rage. Wow I must have always missed you then...
Your cute face is awesome! Especially considering the fact that you were responsible for the slaughter of thousands of mining ships! :D
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6727
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:18:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Are you my real mom? Maybe.
https://underwaterraven.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/happy-cuteness-overload-guy-meme.png "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
678
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:26:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:I am amused and entertained by this topic. Please continue. Hey! Weren't you banned or am I not up to date? :/ Also ... cute! :D You're way out of date, I was unbanned pretty much immediately after the Summer of Rage. Wow I must have always missed you then... Your cute face is awesome! Especially considering the fact that you were responsible for the slaughter of thousands of mining ships! :D
I've not been active, real life work needed doing :(
Ganking internet spaceships surprisingly does not pay the bills. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4404
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:29:00 -
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well then , welcome back o7 =][= |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20528
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:55:00 -
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The best thing about this topic is that my contacts/standings list is getting full.
I've got a huge list of people that I want nothing to do with because they're absolutely clueless and/ or carebears, and another of people who are the exact opposite, gankers and bears alike.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9191
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The best thing about this topic is that my contacts/standings list is getting full.
I've got a huge list of people that I want nothing to do with because they're absolutely clueless and/ or carebears, and another of people who are the exact opposite, gankers and bears alike. D:
YOU HATE ME!!! D:
D: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9191
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:32:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Ganking internet spaceships surprisingly does not pay the bills. At least not in a way that's approved by CCP.
Damn, how awesome would that be! :O
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20531
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:46:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The best thing about this topic is that my contacts/standings list is getting full.
I've got a huge list of people that I want nothing to do with because they're absolutely clueless and/ or carebears, and another of people who are the exact opposite, gankers and bears alike. D: YOU HATE ME!!! D: D: lol
I only hate how good you are with the character creator, and how fast you change your avatars, I can't get my female alt to look half as good. TL;DR I'm jelly
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9192
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The best thing about this topic is that my contacts/standings list is getting full.
I've got a huge list of people that I want nothing to do with because they're absolutely clueless and/ or carebears, and another of people who are the exact opposite, gankers and bears alike. D: YOU HATE ME!!! D: D: lol I only hate how good you are with the character creator, and how fast you change your avatars, I can't get my female alt to look half as good. TL;DR I'm jelly Actually I am only above average. There are people out there with far better abilities ...
... and I hate them for it!!!!!!11111oneoneone
(no I don't actually. I hate admiring them and I want to suck their brains out so I can be as good as they are!) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9192
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:09:00 -
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Uuuhm... I mean that literally, not in my usual context! :p
Eerrrrrr... I guess this post doesn't make it any better..... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Jinx Johnson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:39:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Flying along a trade route without backup is always a risk. Had my heart pumping when I flew my alt through Aufay with 750mil in the hold. Good thing the tank of the new DSTs isn't easily estimated, makes a gank attempt riskier, thus less likely.
Lol, no offence but how do you see "back up" gonna work out in anyway in a S-Gank ? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6736
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:41:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The best thing about this topic is that my contacts/standings list is getting full.
I've got a huge list of people that I want nothing to do with because they're absolutely clueless and/ or carebears, and another of people who are the exact opposite, gankers and bears alike. D: YOU HATE ME!!! D: D:
Du hasst mich? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
3292
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:41:00 -
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This thread was cute for the first month. Now I'm tired of seeing it on my screen. Time to bribe a dev or ISD (does ISK work on them?) to lock it. If that doesn't work, there's always a chrome extension or greasemonkey script. eve is dying |
Heo Hyungie
Chimaerazz
13
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:43:00 -
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LOUD NOISES /slams table |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:56:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Anybody losing any ship to ganks lost it by their own complacency / greed. Ah, you should be careful about sweeping generalities. What about miners? I've taken the precaution of changing to a Procurer (exchanging greed for tank), and for a very long time I have not been ganked (there always seems to be a tasty Retriever or two in the field).
However, I am not invulnerable, and should a gank team choose to expend sufficient isk in Catalysts (et al) then they could toast my butt too.
How is this my fault? I have no means whatsoever to fight back. The squad need only do a little math to figure what they need and send sufficient DPS, and it is a foregone conclusion.
Where have I failed? |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7919
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:00:00 -
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CaiJi Du wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Anybody losing any ship to ganks lost it by their own complacency / greed. Ah, you should be careful about sweeping generalities. What about miners? I've taken the precaution of changing to a Procurer (exchanging greed for tank), and for a very long time I have not been ganked (there always seems to be a tasty Retriever or two in the field). However, I am not invulnerable, and should a gank team choose to expend sufficient isk in Catalysts (et al) then they could toast my butt too. How is this my fault? I have no means whatsoever to fight back. The squad need only do a little math to figure what they need and send sufficient DPS, and it is a foregone conclusion. Where have I failed?
By being afk enough to let gank ships land on you in the 1st place (watching50,000 km D-scan works, I have avoided 2 attempted ganks of my mission Machariel using it).. Catalysts can't warp cloaked lol.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of Eden
6
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:38:00 -
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I personally have no problem with undertanked and autopiloted ships getting ganked; stupid people deserve to watch their assets be incinerated. What I do object to vociferously is what I witnessed last night during a "Code enforcement" operation in Uedama. Specifically, an Orca warped into the system, and was bumped off its align by a Machariel and an Omen Navy issue. A bevy of gankers arrived for the kill....and got it down to 20% structure before Concord showed up. A well tanked Orca surviving a gank, "yawn" I already hear you saying.
The disturbing part is what happens next....as the gankers go to dock to wait out their 15 minutes aggression timer, the bumping continues, without any intervention by Concord. Precisely 15 minutes later the EXACT SAME gankers come and blow up the Orca. What kind of police force would release attempted murderers after 15 minutes so they could finish the job? And why on earth is bumping ships off their align in highsec, when clearly done to facilitate ganking, not a criminal actvity? To the extent that CCP won't criminalize bumping in highsec (with perhaps a 1 minute warning so as not to capture accidental bumping), certainly a Concord gank response should include a 1 minute pause on bumping the gank victim. Otherwise we will continue to see absurd results like the above. |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
62
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:55:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I personally have no problem with undertanked and autopiloted ships getting ganked; stupid people deserve to watch their assets be incinerated. What I do object to vociferously is what I witnessed last night during a "Code enforcement" operation in Uedama. Specifically, an Orca warped into the system, and was bumped off its align by a Machariel and an Omen Navy issue. A bevy of gankers arrived for the kill....and got it down to 20% structure before Concord showed up. A well tanked Orca surviving a gank, "yawn" I already hear you saying.
The disturbing part is what happens next....as the gankers go to dock to wait out their 15 minutes aggression timer, the bumping continues, without any intervention by Concord. Precisely 15 minutes later the EXACT SAME gankers come and blow up the Orca. What kind of police force would release attempted murderers after 15 minutes so they could finish the job? And why on earth is bumping ships off their align in highsec, when clearly done to facilitate ganking, not a criminal actvity? To the extent that CCP won't criminalize bumping in highsec (with perhaps a 1 minute warning so as not to capture accidental bumping), certainly a Concord gank response should include a 1 minute pause on bumping the gank victim. Otherwise we will continue to see absurd results like the above.
Full steam to ramming speed! The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9210
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:02:00 -
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... right into the ... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9230
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:05:00 -
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Bumping IC not griefing g.
Did you read the lhbrt thread?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of Eden
7
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:06:00 -
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Well, I'm not steamed at all. But allowing gankers to entrap ships through bumping so that multiple waves of the EXACT SAME gankers can blow them up seems to be a clearly illogical game mechanic, and should be fixed. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9230
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:07:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well, I'm not steamed at all. But allowing gankers to entrap ships through bumping so that multiple waves of the EXACT SAME gankers can blow them up seems to be a clearly illogical game mechanic, and should be fixed.
Why not use a wrbber?m
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Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
64
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:10:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well, I'm not steamed at all. But allowing gankers to entrap ships through bumping so that multiple waves of the EXACT SAME gankers can blow them up seems to be a clearly illogical game mechanic, and should be fixed.
I will agree with you on this point.
If I was in your shoes, and I saw the events your previously post take place... I would have engaged the significantly weakened Orca and scooped the wonderful pinata of cargo. Rather than you know, just sitting around. The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of Eden
8
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:10:00 -
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Because you should not need to use a webber or a scout to prevent criminal activity in highsec. The police should intervene, and take appropriate action against the offenders. That is what highsec is about. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9230
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:15:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Because you should not need to use a webber or a scout to prevent criminal activity in highsec. The police should intervene, and take appropriate action against the offenders. That is what highsec is about.
Appropriate actin requires criminal Flagg.
Could you describe how the game wuld differentiat between accidenysl and intentional bumping?
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