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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.01 15:59:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:TL;DR, I'm not the crazy one here, it's you lot. This is what you relish saying over and over again.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10526
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Posted - 2015.04.01 16:00:15 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jade Blackwind wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:If WiS types were the more realistic sort, you all might have been able to make a cogent and compelling argument that would have not only swayed skeptics like me, but also CCP. That you cannot demonstrates that the biggest roadblock to WiS isn't folks like me, or CCP, or even financial and technical reality, but rather the unrealistic and denial-ridden people who currently support it. /thread No. Jenn aSide steadfastly sticks to what ever they perceive as more macho or in their own interests. Their ego prevents them from accepting the many arguments set forth in this and many other threads. They are here to make a lot of words and feel self important, not actually achieve anything. "Forum PVP" is their purpose of writing here and as such I pretty much always ignore them and often read the others posts more throughly. They are like a barometer, if they are replying to someone then there is probably something good that is being trolled. So, not /thread at all.
If it makes you feel better to ignore what I'm telling you and pretend that it's trolling, feel free. But deep down you know you're lying about it.
Oh and on a side note, a sense of responsibility and self reliance (even in a video game), and not believing that people who voluntarily choose to play a video game are some how 'victims' of something isn't being 'macho', it's being an adult. You may give it a swing someday, you might even get the less than 150 account holder (out of 400,000 potential supporters) who voted for you for CSM to help you.
Yes that last part was an intended swipe, can't lie about that |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10526
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Posted - 2015.04.01 16:02:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:TL;DR, I'm not the crazy one here, it's you lot. This is what you relish saying over and over again.
I relish speaking the truth? Who would have figured that?
Again, if blaming me for your self inflected problem helps you, I am happy to serve. Hell, we may even meet in some form of EVE WiS one day, at which point I will sever your avatars head with my plasma sword while I'm wearing a kilt, for there can only be one (Jen).
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.01 16:53:36 -
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Kids.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10527
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:06:25 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kids.
Lol, I'm most likely older than you. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:08:27 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kids. Lol, I'm most likely older than you. Not mentally.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10527
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:14:53 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kids. Lol, I'm most likely older than you. Not mentally.
It's the height of delusion that you actually believe that, when it's you who can't accept the reality that not only is WiS not happening (it is not, as far as CCP has continued to indicate) but that WiS might actually be something that is bad for a game like EVE online (a game that attracts minimalist anti-immersion gamers, such as myself).
You'd be an asset to this community were it not for your internal personality issues. It's only those issues that hold you back (which is actually true off most people, it's not "the man keeping the people down", it's people not facing their personal problems). Face those issues and hell, I'd vote for you for the next CSM. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1189
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:18:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kids. Lol, I'm most likely older than you. Not mentally. (Going around the mulberry bush again) I'd vote for you for the next CSM. You can go dig up the post, I said before the results were announced that I will not run again next year win or lose. The Fozzie Logic SOV that is on the table with feedback being ignored I am glad to have no part of that.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Balthasar Dorian
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:06:47 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote: A WiS that is worth a crap would end up being its own game requiring its own budget and its own team. CCP realized this and so they did exactly that - put together a new team and made DUST. Unfortunately they didn't release it on the platform their player base is on. And it's a FPS, not particularly interesting, to me, and maybe not to the average EVE player either. Additionally it looks like they made it a PITA just like EVE, with skills and gear and money whatnot. That is not what I am looking for if I want to play a FPS. I'm guessing that is not what most FPS players are looking for. And a FPS in general is probably not what WiS advocates are looking for. Not sure who CCP was trying to cater to with DUST. Legion will be on PC at least but other than that it seems it will be the same game as DUST? It might have been cool to see a planet in Thera opened up for exploration on foot and ground vehicles. A massive open landscape free for all like DayZ on a MMO-sized world. Go down in a shuttle hunting for goods then try to slip them back to empire. It would have to be split up into multiple shards though. Instanced. Naughty word when it comes to EVE.
Project Legion would be incredible if it took the current avatars and gave us a planet to walk/roam around on. Maybe even a third person fighting mechanic similar to the way spaceships fight in EVE? If it needed to be launched from an entirely separate folder to prevent it from being a resource hog then so be it.
Would be amazing to see your wallet and assets in game as well to give a sense of continuity. Then launch collected goods up to the customs office just like how planetary interaction functions in EVE. Then after a few hours of fighting on foot, you can log out of Legion and then log back into EVE to collect the good via spaceship. Slightly annoying but probably a lot less technically demanding than what they tried with WiS.
I'd also like to see exploring and fighting inside derelict spaceship hulls but that might require direct connection to Tranquility server.
If Legion is the same game as DUST then they are wasting their time. That game appeals to a completely different type of player and wouldn't interest their already sizable EVE fanbase. The MMO must grow!! |
Balthasar Dorian
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:13:33 -
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Cahir Ceallach wrote:When we have WIS and Planet Walking integrate in EVE we can explore and fight against NPC to get nice faction stuff for our ship.
Maybe even special materials that can only be found exploring specific locations planetside. That way the walking and shooting becomes economically meaningful. |
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Balthasar Dorian
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:19:07 -
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Ravnik wrote:WIS will only work if you can walkup to ppl you are at war with and blast them in the face...and it gets included on your killboard. Otherwise...no thanks
That would be pretty awesome. Though there would still need to be concord protected non-pvp zones or we could NEVER go afk without logging out |
Luna Le Fey
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:06:15 -
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I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS.
All I wanted was a place to do something while waiting for a fleet to form, or sell/buy orders to complete ect, like gamble or some mini games, instead I'm supposed to be content with ship spinning. Although I've all but given up ever expecting to see WiS, instead ccp seems determined to invest in things that either will obviously be failures or have no impact on the eve universe at all Dust, oh yes cause we totally needed another shooter, I couldn't have been less interested in anything when the last big shooter came out, so why would I be interested in Dust ? And now Valkyrie, sure I'll admit it looks neat, but that's it, it will almost certainly still be a failure not only because it will have no impact on this universe but more the fact that hardly anyone owns a Rift.
Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. |
Lan Wang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:10:11 -
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Luna Le Fey wrote:I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS.
All I wanted was a place to do something while waiting for a fleet to form, or sell/buy orders to complete ect, like gamble or some mini games, instead I'm supposed to be content with ship spinning. Although I've all but given up ever expecting to see WiS, instead ccp seems determined to invest in things that either will obviously be failures or have no impact on the eve universe at all Dust, oh yes cause we totally needed another shooter, I couldn't have been less interested in anything when the last big shooter came out, so why would I be interested in Dust ? And now Valkyrie, sure I'll admit it looks neat, but that's it, it will almost certainly still be a failure not only because it will have no impact on this universe but more the fact that hardly anyone owns a Rift.
Anyways, that's just my 2 cents.
iwantisk, evebet, crink, eve poker, teamspeak, mumble etc etc, hardly anyone owns a rift because they are not mainstream available yet :/
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Luna Le Fey
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:16:49 -
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Yea true, and I get that the team working on something like Valkyrie is only a tiny one so they're not taking anything away from eve, but even so, they could at least put a small team on WiS as well, from what I understand they've just stopped working on it completely.
I guess I just find it odd how eve has become this game that I play while doing something else, like playing another game or watching a film. |
Lan Wang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:22:01 -
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there is so much to do from even the links ive added above which does not require wis because it would bring no advantage to the game, only rp, everything in game can be done via quicker methods and people would realise this a couple of days after wis and revert back to the old ways leaving wis mostly a waste of time.
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Chibi Katana
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:27:49 -
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Luna Le Fey wrote:I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS. Reached that point a loooong time ago. Though PVP in WiS is a seperate issue imo.
Honestly not even worth trying to respond to stuff in a thread like this. It's just people who cannot stand to allow others to get excited about a concept they're not into. They'll spend hours trying to beat you up over it here, saving you from yourself, because that's what they like to do while waiting for fleets to form etc.
Luna Le Fey wrote:Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. I agree with your 2 cents.
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Luna Le Fey
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:31:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:there is so much to do from even the links ive added above which does not require wis because it would bring no advantage to the game, only rp, everything in game can be done via quicker methods and people would realise this a couple of days after wis and revert back to the old ways leaving wis mostly a waste of time.
Yea I guess you're right, as much as I'd like to rp in this game (and i know there's corps and alliances out there that do) it's just not going to get to that point, oh well. |
Lan Wang
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:35:09 -
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Chibi Katana wrote:Luna Le Fey wrote:I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS. Reached that point a loooong time ago. Though PVP in WiS is a seperate issue imo. Honestly not even worth trying to respond to stuff in a thread like this. It's just people who cannot stand to allow others to get excited about a concept they're not into. They'll spend hours trying to beat you up over it here, saving you from yourself, because that's what they like to do while waiting for fleets to form etc. Luna Le Fey wrote:Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. I agree with your 2 cents.
you cannot stand that people do not like your concept
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Luna Le Fey
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:36:20 -
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lol everyone can dream can't they ! *runs of crying* |
Chibi Katana
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:40:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Chibi Katana wrote:Luna Le Fey wrote:I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS. Reached that point a loooong time ago. Though PVP in WiS is a seperate issue imo. Honestly not even worth trying to respond to stuff in a thread like this. It's just people who cannot stand to allow others to get excited about a concept they're not into. They'll spend hours trying to beat you up over it here, saving you from yourself, because that's what they like to do while waiting for fleets to form etc. Luna Le Fey wrote:Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. I agree with your 2 cents. you cannot stand that people do not like your concept Not at all. I enjoy discussing it.
Just don't see the point in wasting my time sitting around arguing with folks who display your logic.
EVE's about fun, and that's not fun for me. Might be for you though.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:50:11 -
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Chibi Katana wrote: It's just people who cannot stand to allow others to get excited about a concept they're not into.
That is a very self serving way to look at it, but it's not true. No one cares what you are into (even if it is silly as hell, i reemeber someone posting in this thread about how cool it would be to have a 'hanger briefing' or some such, what would that evne look like, a bunch of eggs (pods) rolled up next to each other in a hanger?)
We care how this basically tiny "one real IP" game company spends it's time doing. Some of us lived through the BS that was incarna and the 18 month flying in space development black hole that preceded it, and simply don't want anything like that to ever happen again.
The idea the CCP should risk (even in a tiny way, 1 DEV working on WiS is too much) doing that again so that some RP type can drink a beer he can't taste in a bar that doesn't exist is a real BS way to think IMO. |
Chibi Katana
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
265
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:52:59 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Chibi Katana wrote: It's just people who cannot stand to allow others to get excited about a concept they're not into. That is a very self serving way to look at it, but it's not true. No one cares what you are into (even if it is silly as hell, i reemeber someone posting in this thread about how cool it would be to have a 'hanger briefing' or some such, what would that evne look like, a bunch of eggs (pods) rolled up next to each other in a hanger?) We care how this basically tiny "one real IP" game company spends it's time doing. Some of us lived through the BS that was incarna and the 18 month flying in space development black hole that preceded it, and simply don't want anything like that to ever happen again. The idea the CCP should risk (even in a tiny way, 1 DEV working on WiS is too much) doing that again so that some RP type can drink a beer he can't taste in a bar that doesn't exist is a real BS way to think IMO. Ok.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.04.08 14:07:16 -
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Luna Le Fey wrote:I don' t know if this thread has just gotten to the point where everyone is just trolling or if they really expect pvp in WiS.
I'm not trolling. It fits the general theme, and the last avatar gameplay prototype that CCP mocked up featured PVP.
I'm also OK with things like corporate areas and bars (though, the seedier the bar the higher the chance of PVP, right? ;-)), but corporate areas in particular would need a whole bunch of extra work in order to be useful enough to justify. If it's just a bunch of avatars sitting in a room around a table running through their default animation cycle, that's not terribly interesting, is it? And if it's like the CQ, where it's actually harder to access services than it is outside the CQ and for some reason they made it difficult to sit on a couch, then it will be the niche-iest of niche features.
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Dextrome Thorphan
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.08 14:52:10 -
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Kestrix wrote:The PvP'ers in this game want to keep it small and have CCP pander totally to them. they are like spoilt children craving mummy's attention all the time and every time mummy tries to do some thing else they have a crying sissy fit until she mollifies them.
Walking in stations was something new, a breath of fresh air for eve online and an opportunity to make the game more appealing to a broader group of potential customers.
The people that objected to "walking in stations" are blind to the fact that making the game more appealing to a broader customer base swells the number of paying customers on the server both giving CCP increased revenue and them more characters to shoot.
I just hope that walking in stations was just put on hold and not canceled all together
Players had nothing to do with CCP screwing up WiS... everyone was waiting patiently for an asburd long time and all they were working on was a new character creator, which is nice don't get me wrong, but it didn't contribute to gameplay in any way.
And then they dropped the whole thing and started developping 3 other games :p |
Velarra
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Posted - 2015.04.08 14:53:50 -
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Woodman2 wrote:I was gone from EVE for a couple of years due to my health, I am now back and wondering what happened to walking around in the station? It was the next big thing when I left.
More serious question...what happened to the Ambulation project Torfie was promoting and talking about with videos and impressive demo's a little while ago? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:28:22 -
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(Going off a page back) There is a possible drawback. CCP might decide to use Dust engine including movement mechanics and then push that into WiS and Legion, so we would have this awful jerky motion with weak camera following to compensate for a controller that we do not use.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:37:03 -
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What WiS really will bring doesn't seem to strike anyone:
Rule 34 wrote:No exceptions.
Most people dkn't even consider the idea of how much power WiS will put into the hands of a few people ...
... and how prostitution would flourish!
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:00:24 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:... and how prostitution would flourish! *Sigh* Closet Second Lifers and their obsessions.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:22:27 -
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Velarra wrote:More serious question...what happened to the Ambulation project Torfie was promoting and talking about with videos and impressive demo's a little while ago? GǣA little while agoGǥ was 7 years agoGǪ
It was unceremoniously trashed and restarted from scratch (twice) due to massive scope creep, lack of planning, and abysmal management. Then the entire staff was laid off and the whole idea abandoned.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:33:02 -
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Tippia wrote:Velarra wrote:More serious question...what happened to the Ambulation project Torfie was promoting and talking about with videos and impressive demo's a little while ago? GǣA little while agoGǥ was 7 years agoGǪ It was unceremoniously trashed and restarted from scratch (twice) due to massive scope creep, lack of planning, and abysmal management. Then the entire staff was laid off and the whole idea abandoned. Good thing too! It needed more .... pssszzztttt!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
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