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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:16:00 -
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PS: On firing T20
Don't.
Listen, the whole problem here is that we are all human. Hence why many of us cried foul over devs playing at all (I am not one of that mob.)
I've seen people risk their careers for one night of passion, I've seen people risk their lives for a fix. Humans are very much capable of being very self destructive. Hell, the president of the US got fired for getting a BJ in his office (and she wasn't even a total hotty!)
So, what needs to happen here, is we need you, CCP, to implement rules which prevent "human nature" from unbalancing your game. Something that ensures the average player that he isn't just a floating target for some egotistical developer.
Don't fire anyone, just fix the problem, and put rules in place to prevent it from happening again. Then tell us what those rules are so we are at least aware of HOW the developers interact with us, and can be assured they aren't conspiring with the most powerful alliance in the game.
----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Murandi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: gordon cain Anyone have an external link or anything to the original thread from Kugutsumen or can anyone fill me in plz.
http://www.kugutsumen.com/index.php
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General Xenophon
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:17:00 -
[333]
Edited by: General Xenophon on 09/02/2007 22:15:02 Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
This is no laughing matter. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints |
Navdaq
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:17:00 -
[334]
Blah, blah, blah.
Nothing will change.
This will happen again.
Get use to playing a rigged game.
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Necronomicon
Caldari The Weasels of Doom
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
[335]
I think taking away the Devs/GM right to actually take part in the glorious game would be a bit harsh, but definately, they should only be allowed to access their Dev/GM accounts on CCP computers with logserver running permanently and with no other apps on that PC other than DEV related tools. This would at least minimise their influence to what they can read/remember. All of these PCs should be open to random checks by unbiased senior staff.
Thinking that something like this would not happen would be extremely niave. Ppl are fallable.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Athelas Loraiel
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
[336]
I do hope this isn't the end. There are a lot of things Mr K addressed.
Also, a goo didea I think would be to have That internal service of CCP have its own email address for anyone to report fishy things happening.
Then let's see how many Shrike's will be online for 24/7/30 in a roll? --------------
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Fogy
Caldari Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
[337]
If he spawned them for him self..WTF did he give them to RKK when i felt/knew he was gona get baned/kicked/relocated?
How many account does he have? Is there any way of knowing if he spawn, or rigg the lottery, in any way help aquire, t2 BPO's for thous accounts? or for other directors/players in BoB?
I'm sorry, but T20 post just doesnt cutt it for me.
I'm not saying he should be baned, kicked, have his contract terminated. But i still question the reliability of it all.
My first thoughts when reading his post was, him "giving" us the bpo scam, so we could flame all over that, while hiding other cheats.. I find it hard to beleave he did not know of the other wrong dooings done or known about in BoB. You can argue that kughblablabla came up with the other acustations by him self, but why would would he if he allready kneew this?
I think we as paying customers deserve more. At the end of the day, CCP wouldn't exist without US feeding YOU the real life money WE work to gett.
I dont beleave this investigation is over.. i actually think this investigation is FAR from over.. I hope you keep thees bloggs comming, to keep the community up to date with what's going on.
Cheers! Fogy
I nerfed my siggie.. :( "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Rhaegar Targarin
Originally by: DaHeaVYFo Mass-hysteria for the loose! Let's all wait and see how it unfolds. I'm sure CCP was a bit premature with their audit...
Lose. Loose = Not Tight.
Fire T20. Disband RKK. Right Your Wrongs.
*snip* Its not like its RKK's fault for t20 cheating. Why would RKK be punished because someone else cheated, its not like RKK made t20 cheat. Even if the leaders of RKK knew about it, morality is not the same as legality.
Not to mention the other "allegations" on that idiots site are personal matters which if discussed publicly would mean CCP does not respect thier own Privacy policy... A far worse crime considering they have my credit info, if ya ask me.
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
DevilHanzo
Gallente Acuario Mining Industries Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:18:00 -
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t20 has to go, its very simple, and surely you can find out who the players were that either took receipt of the bpo's or knew of their illict roots, they should be banned also.
CCP, please listen, i am more than qualified to give you some very good advice. This is not the time to p*ssyfoot around, quite simply your response so far is inadequate and you will lose money over this, not to mention our trust, just look how quickly this thread has grown already.
In any other business the person responsible would be unemployed now, they have already demonstrated that they can not be trusted. Ask yourself this, would you now trust t20 with any of the companys hard-earned finance ?
You need to take action very quickly, i am sure you know what needs to be done.
Listen to the community, we are the ones who keep YOU in a job.
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Tab'Fren
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:19:00 -
[340]
PlayerA: Um, excuse me... but someone's been cheating. CCP: /banzor PlayerA PlayerB: Hey! They have been cheating! PlayerC: Cheaters?! WTH? CCP: Nothing wrong, move along. PlayerD: Hey, CCP. What gives? CCP: Oops. One of our employees was cheating every other player in EVE. We're terribly sorry. We'll ask him to behave better in the future and we'll throw in a 'pretty please'.
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JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:19:00 -
[341]
he abused his position FIRE HIM!!!!!!!!!! The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in the EVE Universe |
elohllird
Gallente Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ordo Lucius It is a ******* GAME!!!
To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?
Of course they didnt, it is a game, where, by game mechanics, people can loot, cheat, scam, steal, kill, maim etc. IN GAME. Who cares if he gave away a few blueprints? If the devs didnt get involved in in-game stuff, we wouldnt have the game we all play today. Whether or not devs should be able to spawn stuff on command on the main server is open to question. Fair enough. But to cause some poor bloke to lose his job because he cheated IN A GAME...
Guys, you ALL take the biscuit on this one. For being shallow, pedantic, unpleasant and quite frankly i think you all need to bloody wake up. Its a game. The devs "conduct" is something for the DEVS to decide on. Not you.
If T20 loses his job, i think im really going to have to reconsider my subscription to Eve. I dont want to be involved with people with such an inhuman attitude to REAL people.
QFT
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ShuPac the3rd
Amarr Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:20:00 -
[343]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) ------- nije mi dozvoljeno stavit sliku koja ja hoću |
Psym0n
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Psym0n on 09/02/2007 22:19:24 It takes a lot of balls to admit that you did something wrong, and then apologise to 150k people....
i dont think he deserves to loose his job, i think that he needs to loose some of his privelages however. one of them being his EVE account.
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Originally by: Ordo Lucius It is a ******* GAME!!!
To call for someone to lose thier JOB (you know, the think us normal people have?) over some bloody blueprints (i dont give a **** how much they were worth) is absolutely insane. They guy messed with policy, "misconduct" blah blah, but lets face facts, who the hell got hurt by this in real life? Anyone?
Of course they didnt, it is a game, where, by game mechanics, people can loot, cheat, scam, steal, kill, maim etc. IN GAME. Who cares if he gave away a few blueprints? If the devs didnt get involved in in-game stuff, we wouldnt have the game we all play today. Whether or not devs should be able to spawn stuff on command on the main server is open to question. Fair enough. But to cause some poor bloke to lose his job because he cheated IN A GAME...
Guys, you ALL take the biscuit on this one. For being shallow, pedantic, unpleasant and quite frankly i think you all need to bloody wake up. Its a game. The devs "conduct" is something for the DEVS to decide on. Not you.
If T20 loses his job, i think im really going to have to reconsider my subscription to Eve. I dont want to be involved with people with such an inhuman attitude to REAL people.
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Kimo Hanakito
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:22:00 -
[345]
Edited by: Kimo Hanakito on 09/02/2007 22:18:51
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:23:00 -
[346]
im amzed it had to take a hacker to get this information, if the hacker diddent provided the comunity with this information we would never have known. and ccp would never have gone public with it... The hacker odd name is a freedom fighter within the game and should be saluted.. now END YOURSLEF BOB.
you just lost all respect in the comunity.
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Ruiryu
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:23:00 -
[347]
Gotta add one more thing to this.
All the people who knew of these under taking in the BoB alliance should have there accounts removed for not reporting this. They are equally guilty, for t20 to say he did it alone is a crock of ****. The individuals who knew what t20 was doing should be removed, their is no way certain individuals can claim they had no idea this was going on. They are an just as guilty as t20. They kept quite so that they could benefit as much as he did, they are accessories to this crime.
In the real world your equally as guilty as the criminal if your an accessory.
CCP you should make an example of these individuals, to show the community the level of seriousness that Hellmars blog spoke of. Other wise this is just a slap on the wrist for those involved, and a slap to the face for everyone else.
ENOUGH is enough. Time for you to get serious about how things are being run and your control over those you employ.
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Nuska
Amarr Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:23:00 -
[348]
#1 Fire t20. #2 Reinstate Kugutsumen's account. #3 Then, and only then, have the nerve to ask forgiveness.
t20 has betrayed the community, and if you want to look at it in a business neses, he has betrayed CCP's customers.
Regardless of past actions and service to the community, once you cheat those whom you are supposed to serve, all bets are off.
What possible reason could I, as paying customer, have to trust a dev who abused his powers if that dev remains with the game? The world is full of talented coders, a suitable replacement for t20 can certainly be found.
The value of the BPOs is really irrelevant, because the principle of trust in CCP is at stake. Some BPOs given to some alliance have very little effect, if any, on me as an individual player, but it has a huge effect on how I few the company and on whether I feel that I should support those who leave cheaters unpunished.
The responsibility for fixing this mess does not lie with t20, there is nothing he can do to make it right. It is unfortunate that CCP places a higher value on t20's contribution to the business than on the justified opinions of its customers.
It's fortunate for CCP that it is not a U.S. based business, I am sure someone in our lovely litigation society would have taken legal action already if they would have had the opportunity to do so.
Regardless, CCP needs to do the right thing and have the same standard apply to everyone. Show t20 the way out, and bring the whistleblower back in. If there is patriotism in EVE, then Kugutsumen is a patriot. CCP endorsed cheating on the paying customer is unacceptable under any circumstances.
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Nils Bohr
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:23:00 -
[349]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:24:00 -
[350]
Oh the old FA lottery springs to mind... How did Big get that ship, devs involved? How much isk dident big get from that lottery, I¦m happy I dident paryicipated in it..
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
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Hashi Lebwohl
Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:24:00 -
[351]
I want to be surprised - I suppose there was going to be a little flames amongst all the flake surrounding BoB.
Let me ask a question: Given that BoB tactics over the last six months have involved alot of Sabre intedictors holding targets with long range fleets of Spike armed Megathrons killing them, surely those victims can claim with justification that they were killed by items in game dishonestly obtained? Petition time I think....I hope you've hired more GM's.
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Rhaegar Targarin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:25:00 -
[352]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot |
Addela Argaron
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:25:00 -
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I think its bang out of order what happend .....DEV's stealing BPO's and abusing there power is just wrong on so many levles....i dont think DEV's should be aloud to join player corps....they should be part of concord....maybe as in game police or something to help players....not to take sides with alliences and to abuse there positions.
very bad show guys....im very dissapointed
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Dray
Caldari Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:25:00 -
[354]
I feel a little lost tbh, im no lover of bob, but i'd like to think that whatever the outcome it wouldve made no difference, just a little bias that meant nothing in the greater scheme of things.
Bottom line is a lot of damage has been done and im not sure how to react to it, should i stay or should i leave and not risk my subs on a game where balance is everthing, except where it suits others to indulge themselves.
I dont know the full extent of whats happened, and tbh i probably never will, at the end of the day its a sad day for a game that raised the bar to new level and removed the traditional boundries, its f*cked it, it really is.
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Ohmite
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:25:00 -
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Suprisingly no BOB post especially as normally BOB are the first to post on any thread.
I dont expect a post from the BOB management as they are keeping their heads down hoping they dont get their accounts banned, personally if proven they knew what was happening they should get banned, they have done far worse than the whistleblower but are still not banned but he is
I do feel sorry for most of BOB members as they are most likely all innocent of this wrong doing. If I was in a corp that I found my CEO and directors were corrupt and found to be cheating I would be cancelling my roles and leaving immediately. All BOB members now are tarred with the same brush due to a few cheating CEOs, directors and GMs
To others who keep saying it was only a few small bpos what is the fuss about - Ask you self this would you risk your job for that, this is only the tip of the iceburg and T20 has been asked to jump on his sword hoping this will pacify the eve masses - no chance, we want the full story not a white wash
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:26:00 -
[356]
Not impressed. At all.
No Devs playing the game in anything other than EvE University where they can play and help new characters instead of doing all they can to help those that need that help the least.
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Drused
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:26:00 -
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Quote: Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation
Quote: Regrettably, my actions inevitably led to a shadow of suspicion being cast on a number of my co-workers, as well as Reikoku and Band of Brothers. I wish to make it clear that I acted alone and my co-workers and corp/alliance mates have been cleared of any alleged wrongdoing.
I am sorry, CCP, but the second post does not finish this issue. What you are doing is having a single individual sacrifice himself in an attempt to cover up a massive conspiracy and evidence of corruption that cuts into the heart of both the game and CCP as a company.
There are definitely people in BoB who knew about these issues and they not only acted on but also profited from and exploited the connection with CCP. These people are being let go with no punishment.
Furthermore, you have other CCP employees with characters still in BoB and the general playerbase knows about these characters. You are now in the realm of hypocrisy by allowing these people to continue playing their accounts now that they have been compromised.
I also add in allegations that the BoB involvement in CCP goes deeper. I was interviewed and approved to be part of the ISD reporting team. I was asked to send in a list of my alts. These alts included characters that were enemies of BoB. As soon as the ISD team acquired this information, they ignored every single email I sent in after that. This connection, at the moment unsubstantiated because CCP doesnĘt actually investigate allegations, has lost me a chance to have a large company use my writing.
CCP, you cannot let this investigation die in a smokescreen as you attempt to save face. Root out everyone who took advantage of the connections and remove them from the game. Fire t20, he has to go as he is a liability and has no integrity. He has no place working for a company that relies on public trust.
t20, I hope you enjoy retail or a low-level job for some nameless company in the future. You donĘt deserve to work anywhere you can take advantage of your position.
I have since canceled several accounts.
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Griefer Troll
Troll Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:26:00 -
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What a crock of ****.
My synopsis:
Yes the allegations are true, we've kept you waiting for a week to inform you we are going to do absolutely nothing about these incidents except make hollow and useless promises.
We will admit one charge and deny the others which are extremely hard to prove or disprove. We will make one person a scapegoat, to allow others to continue to abuse their priveleged position as they have been doing for years.
Please keep paying for this game, which pays our wages, so we can continue to play god in a world of our own making.
CCP: You kept us waiting a week to tell us this? Your credibility is permanently damaged in my eyes. You are covering up far more than you are admitting, and you have solved nothing. Lucky this is your world of eve we are talking about, where you decide the punishments, because in the real world someone would go to jail for proven misconduct like this, and a large external investigation would be sanctioned, which would no doubt unearth plenty more skeletons.
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Sephiraa
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:27:00 -
[359]
THIS IS NOT OVER.
* T20, you claim there were 6 BPOs, but that's not true. There were more. What is the fate of the others? What about these BPOs? When are they being put back in the lottery? - Barrage S Blueprint - Barrage L Blueprint - Inferno Javelin Torpedo Blueprint - Malediction Blueprint - Quake L Blueprint
* We know there are other Devs still in BoB, and we know their names. What assurance do we have that this kind of corruption has come to an end? Do they need to be exposed as well, or will you make an effort on your own to insure the integrity of fair play in this game moving forward?
* T20 led BoB's capital fleet with full knowledge of the account sharing being used to create the cynonet. Accounts shared by all of the Directors in BoB. Every single one of those accounts should be fully banned, if not every single account owned by the BoB directors who took part in the account sharing. Considering other account sharing players have been banned, the answer about what to do here should be obvious.
* T20 led BoB's capital fleet, with inside knowledge of game mechanics, and somehow BoB just magically happens to control the largest amount of space. Is anything going to be done to balance this unfair advantage given to the BoB alliance?
* The financial gain given to BoB through early, and 'illegal' aquisition of those BPOs has a much large ripple effect in terms of economic and military power that needs to be balanced. What are CCPs plan to right that wrong?
* What is the nature and purpose of the Polaris vessels seen around GoonSwarm's moons as some of them are claiming? How can the players by sure the corruption is not still ongoing?
* Is a further level of scandal required to get LV's ill gotten Mothership removed? It would be sad, but I'm sure the community is willing to produce it, if CCP is unable to police themseves internally, as the Kugutsume's banning, and seeming coverup attempts suggest.
* Unban the whistleblower's account. This shouldn't even be up for debate. This whole scenario is reprehensible, and needs to be set right ASAP.
Personally, I don't care if T20 keeps his job or not, as I imgaine he'll not take such risks again. What I do care about is the negative impact on the entire EVE community, from the ripple effects of his cheating. For example, would ASCN be dead today, if T20 had chosen differently.
There is more required of CCP, and you better not fail us this time.
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Tolin Dorden
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:27:00 -
[360]
Well well.. somehow I'm not surprised.. at all... a sad sad day for ccp and eve...
While we're at this... I am STILL lookin for a reply to the petition I sent to ccp december 6th 2006, regarding issues, with eve radio and eve underground radio. I still haven't gotten a reply to this, and this just yet again makes me put on the tinfoil hat on, and think foul play...
http://www.eve-underground.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=2039&catid=2
Thank you so very much ccp for makin us trust in you.... I feel dirty right now... ALL HAIL THE DROMEDARY ALL HAIL THE GOAT ALL HAIL THE ALBATROSS AND DAMN HERE SMELLS OF FISH! |
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