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CharlieMurphy
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.15 00:50:00 -
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lots of posts too much to read
but i tell you this... if CCP work a half decent beat-em-up into amubulation its gonna be a hit
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.15 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or
Originally by: Hasak Rain I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.
Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.
If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.
So being repeatedly told by CCP staffers that a different group is working on Ambulation is not OK?
Because, you know...that is where those of us that PAY ATTENTION got that kind of info.
Link?
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hasak Rain on 15/09/2007 01:13:14
Originally by: milinkoee
Originally by: Hasak Rain I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.
Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.
If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.
You don't need to walk their offices to know they don't have enough resources working on bugs and lag, all you need to do is attempt to log into Jita or engage in fleet warefare.
Jita is a VERY bad example to use for this argument. I don't see why 500-600 idiots who mostly sit around idle in one system and then come onto the forum to cry about the lag there should be a top priority to CCP.
That aside, how do you know they don't have the right amount of resources working on those problems? Don't you think if it was a simple matter of throwing more people onto it, it would have been fixed a LONG TIME AGO?
Unlike some people on these boards, i am not going to pretend I am an expert but something tells me it is a bit more complicated than simply adding more people.
Maybe that is how you guys fight your battles in game {by throwing vast numbers of bodies into the fray} but that doesn't mean it is the way to fix EvE's lag problems.
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:10:00 -
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People whine about it because
(1) They want CCP to devote time to fixing things now rather than making new things. This is at least understandable.
(2) They're too unimaginative to understand the communications possibilities you can build into something like that.
(3) They too poor/lazy to get a new PC that can handle the sort of graphics they're showing.
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 14/09/2007 21:51:11
Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Wild Rho
It's a perfectly valid argument . . .
No it's not. Your argument relies on the stipulation that the ambulation people can only be working on ambulation. They could be doing _something_ else.
Except ambulation is being developed by the team working on CCPs new MMO with the ambulation project being a bonus addition to Eve since the technology's there and being developed.
So there only puting it in as a warm up for the shiney new Vampire mmorpg hhmmm you know theres a term for that what was it ahhhh yep BETA TESTING oh yay and everything that title implies.
Not to mention you know CCP's track record they broke the game for a week just changing the chat font
Plus anyone else here remember the last major code base change they made with RMR because honestly that was handled well and did not kill the servers dead for 2 weeks and leave them in a critical conditon for 2 month afterwards.
The main reason sensible ppl moan about this crap is purely that CCP are taking a huge risk in making the server even worse for what amounts to adding sims in space.
yep I have read all the INTENDED features for walking(let's call it what it is) but there again i read all the intended features for EvE in general over last 4 yrs and i would say theres a good 45% of them still MIA.
So in summing up my real fear is this is what will deliver the death blow to server preformance and kill eve dead(at least as anything other than a glorified chat room)
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Duckeye
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:37:00 -
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I'm really excited about it honestly, I do a lot of marketing so I spend the majority of my time crunching numbers in specific docks, it'd be nice to have fun stuff to do while being in constant range of my assets.
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Do we really need more dudes that drool over guys playing as (simulated) females?
Yes, yes we do.
Originally by: BubbaZanetti
Originally by: zeeZ Exus The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.
*Hugs Bubba* Will you marry me bubba?
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judes23
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:39:00 -
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Ambulation - what does this word mean?
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Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: judes23 Ambulation - what does this word mean?
It's a scientific term for the arcane practice known as 'walking'.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive Animal.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: judes23 Ambulation - what does this word mean?
No, no, no...
it's pronounced "whaaaaaaaambulation"
Bandures > Tommy, you like a cowboy harry ) |
Tauscha Vald'or
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: judes23 Ambulation - what does this word mean?
What the other guy said. They chose to refer to it as "ambulation" as to differentiate EVE from the running around helter-skelter willy-nilly movement that characterizes most MMORPGs. You know...where actual WALKING is a sure way to become old before you get to the next mob.
Sounds like the stations should be compact enough that we can comport ourselves like rational people, not marathoners.
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Ironnight
Caldari x13
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dristra
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways... quote]
Yes, but they spend money on it that could be spend on fixing what we have, and I dont have any need to be able to leave my pod, for me EVE is all about flying a spaceship, trying to kill another spaceship
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive Animal.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Sounds like the stations should be compact enough that we can comport ourselves like rational people, not marathoners.
Interiors are likely to be huge cos they mentioned moving walkways, like you get in airports.
Bandures > Tommy, you like a cowboy harry ) |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dristra Why do people hate ambulation? Why is this?
Because you can't have a forum on the internets without people(forum warriors) who go 500% out of thier way to flame everything in existance for a quick e-thrill..
Ignore the forums and you might find your eve life that much better..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Gretek Lal
Minmatar Fractal Holdings Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Sorry, what? Let's check that list again..
Corporate offices - already exist NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol Bars - looool - drink pixels and pretend they're tasty! Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites Whole new areas of gameplay - where?
Don't get me wrong, I'm undecided, but I have yet to see what it will add to strategic gameplay.
I agree. It adds nothing at all to gameplay. People who claim they are so excited about it will be that way for about a week. Then they will get bored with running around trying to make obscene emotes and take their virtual clothes off.
The novelty will wear off very, very quickly.
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Solant
Minmatar C A P S U L E
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Posted - 2007.09.15 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: milinkoee
Originally by: Dristra
Why is this? Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...
So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.
It is not free of charge, we pay a monthly sub fee, which funds development (all development). Some people would prefer that that money was used to augment the team that fixes bugs, lag, etc rather than hiring a new team to do ambulation.
Point out where in the EULA it states that every penny you pay for eve goes towards improving EVE. CCP is a company, which charges us for a game service. They can do whatever they want with their money, and their game, and if you don't like it you don't have to pay every month. I'd say considering the state of the game and the FREE econtent expansions theyre churning out, complaining about every red cent not being thrown into bug fixing is pretty silly. If they want to invest in a new game they're pretty entitled to it, EVE is already very much above par when it comes to MMO's.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.15 03:31:00 -
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Oh.. I just had a thought.. Will the female avatars have bouncy ones like in Dead or Alive? Would make the well rendered minmater strip club table dancers all the better..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.15 07:53:00 -
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guys..
remember, CCP is working on WOD (World of Darkness? some vampire MMO)..
This is just a testbed for them... and it has potential for eve too...
If they get this right, think what it could lead to... planetary warfare...
*drools*
but yeah, CCP is trying to build a sandbox remember?... they are just replacing some ****ed soaked sand that we are all used to with some shiny new sand... =P it wouldnt change much, but it might feel nicer =P
Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 08:10:00 -
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I don't dislike ambulation itself, i'm just sick of superfluous fluff being added, or replacing stuff that was already in game and working fine, without at least the courtesy of giving us an option to turn them off in the same update.
cases in point...
Seamless map - a waste of time and not in least bit better than the one it replaced.
Heat - everyone's UI altered to accomodate something that to date, i've yet to find anyone that uses. -
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.15 08:16:00 -
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well in theory a perfect game would allow full planetary space and station warfare to all mingle. fine an enemy corp base hidden on a moon, have your more FPS skilled players plant a becon and have someone in their orbiting dread bombard that location when the dropship clears the surface....
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.09.15 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Petrothian Tong guys..
remember, CCP is working on WOD (World of Darkness? some vampire MMO)..
This is just a testbed for them... and it has potential for eve too...
If they get this right, think what it could lead to... planetary warfare...
Are you familiar with something called planetside? It was a giant planetary warfare MMO. It was cool and all but it's not EVE and if you want that you should just play it and leave EVE alone. If planetary warfare were to be realistic in any way than a single Dreadnought could utterly devastate and depopulate a fully developed world in a few hours so there wouldn't be much of a point...Oh the enemy has routed our fleet and we have to withdraw from this system, well then order the capitals to destroy that world on our way out...basically every fight for a major planet would end that way.
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Rilder
Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:07:00 -
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To be honest I just wanna sit in station, high, drunk and lazy ording my lackeys around to do everything for me. --
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker well in theory a perfect game would allow full planetary space and station warfare to all mingle. fine an enemy corp base hidden on a moon, have your more FPS skilled players plant a becon and have someone in their orbiting dread bombard that location when the dropship clears the surface....
If you'd like to see how well that idea has flown in the past, do some searching for Battlecruiser 3000AD, a legendary bomb of a PC game.
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Mostinius
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Which is *******s really. Not only does Ambulation have little or no effect on the current EVE game, but it is something new and extra. For FREE.
Completely agree. 'Ambulation' (although I had to think about it a few seconds before I worked out what it was) will only ADD to the game. I can't for the life of me see how it's going to take away from it. Those players are still in the game but, if anything, assuming there will be additional hardware to handle the in-station elements, it will take the load off for those in flight. Can you imagine what Jita would be like if there was a different server handling half the current residents?
Bring it on, I say - and I'm looking forward to the landing on planets thing, too. |
Mostinius
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or Sounds like the stations should be compact enough that we can comport ourselves like rational people, not marathoners.
What, you think even in a one-room station people would walk rather than run? These're gamers we're talking about. Why take two seconds to get there when you could do it in one? The only way players would choose 'walk' over 'run' would be if there's no button for 'run'. |
Mostinius
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mostinius on 15/09/2007 09:44:04
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Are you familiar with something called planetside? It was a giant planetary warfare MMO. It was cool and all but it's not EVE and if you want that you should just play it and leave EVE alone.
I disagree. I think the more ground a game like this can cover the better its potential. Accepting that each section has to be done well in order to work, I think the developers should be willing to limit themselves if they're not confident that they can do something properly. But arguing that this is a game about spaceships so shouldn't have anything in it other than spaceships, well, with respect I think that's fairly short-sighted. Hypothetically, if 'ambulation' - or planetary battles, atmospheric flight or even ships with submarine capabilities - could be added and made to work, then it would add to the game and should be implemented.
And it should be possible for players who aren't interested in any given element to choose not to participate in it. For example, once SWG introduced space combat my character very rarely walked on the ground after that.
Originally by: Amarria Black If you'd like to see how well that idea has flown in the past, do some searching for Battlecruiser 3000AD, a legendary bomb of a PC game.
Aye, true - I was thinking BC3000 myself. However, I was thinking of it as it should've been, rather than as it was. BC3000's problems didn't come of it being a bad idea, but from it being produced by a guy trying to do the bedroom-coder thing with a pretty epic concept. The game was riddled with bugs and the creator either didn't have the skill or the time to resolve them. The company's unapproachable attitude and (in many people's experience) refusal or inability to provide customer support didn't help that game or its variants either.
BC3000 was a great idea, and if anyone were able to produce a solid, working version of it then I'm sure it would sell well. Perhaps they might need to choose a different name, though. I suggest Battlestar Galactica, if anyone's thinking about it... It's about time there was a decent game there. |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.09.15 09:45:00 -
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There are no e-peens in ambulation. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:10:00 -
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I wonder if ambulation in lowsec = CS?
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:16:00 -
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I think Ambulation will add some aspects to the game. If we ever plan to land on planets it is a step in the right direction.
Remember its not something that is required.
I think it is cool about the board rooms :).
On forums, I've noticed that the alliances I've been in that it is very hard to get everyone to register and participate. It might be easier to get them to do so in a game setting.
I came from SWG after the dark times there :(. If not for the NGE I'd probably happy still sitting on my tailor shop on naboo on Radiant or my chef shop on naboo on Wanderhome.
Anyway while we will be limited initially I do hope they'll expand the ambulation part of the game over time :).
With the way its being implemented it will not in any way really impact on those who chose not to do it other than you might have to chose your initial avatar I suppose.
I hope some day we can go down to the planets :).
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. |
annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grendelsbane People whine about it because
(1) They want CCP to devote time to fixing things now rather than making new things. This is at least understandable.
Ok, i agree with you here.
Quote: (2) They're too unimaginative to understand the communications possibilities you can build into something like that.
Disagree, but I think I understand your meaning.
Quote: (3) They too poor/lazy to get a new PC that can handle the sort of graphics they're showing.
This shows you to be absolute t**t. Daddy buy your PC for you did he? Got the latest l33t hardware have we? Being 'poor' or 'lazy'(ie: unable or unwilling to spend ú500+ to play with the new graphic engine) is a gaming crime now is it? Ahh shame we all cant get daddy to buy us the next generation chip or GPU. In fact, its a pretty good thing swear words are blocked because I would have used every one in existence to describe you and your arrogant ego. You are too stupid and arrogant for words. Please take your superior machine and play something else thx.
PS: Can I have your stuff?
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.09.15 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mostinius Aye, true - I was thinking BC3000 myself. However, I was thinking of it as it should've been, rather than as it was. BC3000's problems didn't come of it being a bad idea, but from it being produced by a guy trying to do the bedroom-coder thing with a pretty epic concept. The game was riddled with bugs and the creator either didn't have the skill or the time to resolve them. The company's unapproachable attitude and (in many people's experience) refusal or inability to provide customer support didn't help that game or its variants either.
BC3000 was a great idea, and if anyone were able to produce a solid, working version of it then I'm sure it would sell well. Perhaps they might need to choose a different name, though. I suggest Battlestar Galactica, if anyone's thinking about it... It's about time there was a decent game there.
Agreed. It was a great idea that was hampered by a decade + dev cycle. If you were to take some pros and recode it nowadays, and call it "Warship 3100CE", I'd buy it.
The real underlying problem that comes in is that your average capital ship could pretty much sterilize a planet in short order. Hell, a titan can just fly near a planet and wreak untold destruction. I don't care what mechanic you put in place to discourage this sort of behavior, someone will grief regardless. So, picture your little spy op, where you're breaking into a corporate building to steal a blueprint or war plans, and suddenly... some jerk-off with a few bil to burn melts the entire continent. And if you don't allow this level of interaction, you're basically playing Planetside + EVE.
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