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P'uck	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:33:00 - [61] Originally by: Merin Ryskin they'd still have to place charges in plain sight everywhere. false Originally by: Merin Ryskin There's just no way you could hide the vast amount of setup work it requires to perform a controlled demolition. while this is probably true. to be honest, I never thought about it... but I think if you really really push it, its probably doable, but very unlikely.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:38:00 - [62] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 16/02/2009 01:38:07 Originally by: P'uck Originally by: Merin Ryskin they'd still have to place charges in plain sight everywhere. false True. Please, just look up how a *real* controlled demolition is done. To get the building to collapse precisely, you have to place the charges *exactly* on all of the key the structural elements, all the way from basement to rooftop. Since all of those elements are not carefully hidden away in special rooms where nobody ever goes, common sense tells us that at least some of the charges would be visible. The only way to hide them would be to tear out the interior, place the charges, then put it all back. I think you probably agree that this would also be incredibly obvious to anyone working there. Originally by: Merin Ryskin while this is probably true. to be honest, I never thought about it... but I think if you really really push it, its probably doable, but very unlikely. It is true. A real controlled demolition requires weeks/months of planning and setup time. While it is very easy to blow something up with no real preparation (for example, put a big enough truck bomb in the basement), you won't get a precise collapse like the delusional moron is talking about. -----------
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism.	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:38:00 - [63] Edited by: WhiteSavage on 16/02/2009 01:38:32 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/02/2009 23:59:32 people tend to NOT accept the logical conclusion but instead only accept the conclusions that fit with their current view of reality.. and then they call that logical and rational. ...accepting the conclusions that fit with our view of reality... and calling it logical... and rational... Def. Locical: According to or agreeing with the principles of logic Suggesting that a fuzzy oval on a fuzzy picture taken of something hundreds of thousands of miles away with an incredibly weak black-and white camera (Yes any colors are added logblossums) that depends on light reflections and as such has a huge ratio for error... is OBVIOUSLY proof of an amazingly advanced alien spaceship... is in fact, from the REALITY that we understand today... quite illogical. Every camera we have is incredibly weak, relative to the distance it is set to function with. It would seem you believed in ET well before you went out to discover any such proof of his existence? However if you have some amazing scientific breakthrough that proves all fuzzy shapes are most definately spaceships... then by all means explain! AMAZING
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism.	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:42:00 - [64] Edited by: WhiteSavage on 16/02/2009 01:43:43 Originally by: Merin Ryskin It is true. A real controlled demolition requires weeks/months of planning and setup time. While it is very easy to blow something up with no real preparation (for example, put a big enough truck bomb in the basement), you won't get a precise collapse like the delusional moron is talking about. Since this guy's entire arguement (in vid) revolves around the "obvious" controlled precision collapse, Merin's statement pretty much sums it up. But most conspirarists care more about the conspiracy rather then the facts. AMAZING
P'uck	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:51:00 - [65] Edited by: P''uck on 16/02/2009 01:55:43 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Please, just look up how a *real* controlled demolition is done. Yes, yes, but a lot of the work required just doesnt come from because "it HAS to be done that way from a demolitions point of view." For instance, charges on the supports are placed where they are in a real demolition because that's just easiest and quickest way to do it once the building is empty. For instance there WILL be double ceilings, lights, ventilation shafts, housings for the wiring or however you call it and non-important walls close to the main supports. It's impractical to blow up a "complete" building and its very close to impossible to hide (outside of a book or movie probably just impossible but I dont want to rain on any conspiracy theories) the preparations, but if we're just talking physics, it's doable. edit: I guess this is about 9/11 so we're obviously not talking about "real" demolition work, this is clearly about a 007/mission impossible/MiB style job. no doubt.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:59:00 - [66] Originally by: P'uck Yes, yes, but a lot of the work required just doesnt come from because "it HAS to be done that way from a demolitions point of view." For instance, charges on the supports are placed where they are in a real demolition because that's just easiest and quickest way to do it once the building is empty. No, they're placed where they are because placing them anywhere else won't lead to a nice neat *controlled* demolition. To bring down a building neatly, you have to destroy very precise structural elements with very precise timing, or you get a huge mess. Like I said, blowing up a building? Easy and simple. Put a big bomb in the basement and get to a safe distance (or don't, if you want to martyr yourself). Blowing up a building so that it collapses neatly onto itself without any flying debris? Long and complicated process that is impossible to hide. -----------
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:59:00 - [67] Discovery channel has a new series on building demolition. This is the only good link that I can find on demolition on a cursory search. Considering the amount of charge needed and the fact that support beams in steel buildings are much more difficult to bring down then concrete, I would ponder that whole floors would need to be acquired to get the coverage for proper support destruction. All the wires and explosive would be hard to hide in my mind on a floor full of employees, but acquiring whole floors is not inconceivable. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 02:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Discovery channel has a new series on building demolition. This is the only good link that I can find on demolition on a cursory search. Considering the amount of charge needed and the fact that support beams in steel buildings are much more difficult to bring down then concrete, I would ponder that whole floors would need to be acquired to get the coverage for proper support destruction. All the wires and explosive would be hard to hide in my mind on a floor full of employees, but acquiring whole floors is not inconceivable. See, here's the problem: the delusional moron is claiming *free-fall* collapse. To do that, you can't just set your charges on one floor (if you do, you'll have a slower collapse and the moron's claim is thrown out right away), you'd have to set them on *every* floor, blowing the supports at precisely the right time. -----------
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.02.16 02:09:00 - [69] /me strolls in, dons tinfoil and gets popcorn... ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.16 05:35:00 - [70] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Enter the portal through the two pillars... ET's don't exist Building 7 collapsed due to fire We can coexist in peace, when we become wise enough to choose truth rather than lies. Alright here ill settle this once and for all. Other life IS out there. It may or may not be intelligent, but mathematical probability says that there should be at least one other reasonably intelligent life form out there. The universe is nearly infinitely huge. 9/11 may or may not of been a false flag operation. You as a citizen won't find out the truth for at least 50 years, IF the truth is ever released, or everything that happened on that day was legit. Anyone who disagrees with the above points, is biased. You as a human being and a citizen of whatever country your a citizen of, do not possess the knowledge or know-how to refute either point one way or the other completely. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of life, or that 9/11 was or was not a false flag operation, anymore then you can prove or disprove the existence of GOD. /end thread.

Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:04:00 - [71] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Slade Trillgon Discovery channel has a new series on building demolition. This is the only good link that I can find on demolition on a cursory search. Considering the amount of charge needed and the fact that support beams in steel buildings are much more difficult to bring down then concrete, I would ponder that whole floors would need to be acquired to get the coverage for proper support destruction. All the wires and explosive would be hard to hide in my mind on a floor full of employees, but acquiring whole floors is not inconceivable. See, here's the problem: the delusional moron is claiming *free-fall* collapse. To do that, you can't just set your charges on one floor (if you do, you'll have a slower collapse and the moron's claim is thrown out right away), you'd have to set them on *every* floor, blowing the supports at precisely the right time. In addition to this, anyone insane enough to demolish an entire building for the sake of propaganda isn't going to be bothered how it collapses and how many get killed in the process. If it was an attempt to discredit extemeist group, (and lord knows why since they do a good enough job of discrediting themselves), the more people who get killed, the better since it would anger more people. After speaking to an architect friend of mine, he said that there is more chance it was designed so that, in the event of catastrauphic structural damage that would cause collapse, it would fold in on istelf to limit collateral damage. In short; A designed weak point. He did actually try to explain with a daigram for me but it still went over my head since I'm no architect myself but I could understand the physics of it. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:14:00 - [72] Originally by: rValdez5987 Other life IS out there. It may or may not be intelligent, but mathematical probability says that there should be at least one other reasonably intelligent life form out there. The universe is nearly infinitely huge. There are two places in our own solar system that have a good chance of having life. The latest studies of mars are showing localised pockets of methane gas. Not 100% proof of life but there is a good chance. Then there is Europa, which looks like it has a liquid ocean under the ice and holds the best chance of having life outside of earth, possibly even complex life around black smokers.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:01:00 - [73] anyone got any popcorn left ? destroy everything you touch
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:03:00 - [74] Originally by: jason hill anyone got any popcorn left ? help yourself
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:22:00 - [75] cheers mate destroy everything you touch
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:56:00 - [76] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 15/02/2009 23:43:56 Originally by: Cmdr Sy If They were bothered, They'd say hi. If They're not, it makes no difference whether They exist or not. Cmdr Sy you should know better then anybody else! There shear distant to travel to meet another intellectuality advanced race is neigh on inconceivable. To travel all that way just to look at a dead planet ... its madness... Madness? THIS IS SATUUUUUUUURRRRN!!! Sorry. I know it's late, but I couldn't resist that one. ____________________
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:58:00 - [77] Faster than the speed of gravity!
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:42:00 - [78] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 15/02/2009 23:43:56 Originally by: Cmdr Sy If They were bothered, They'd say hi. If They're not, it makes no difference whether They exist or not. Cmdr Sy you should know better then anybody else! There shear distant to travel to meet another intellectuality advanced race is neigh on inconceivable. To travel all that way just to look at a dead planet ... its madness... Madness? THIS IS SATUUUUUUUURRRRN!!! Sorry. I know it's late, but I couldn't resist that one. i lol`d well played.....
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:50:00 - [79] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Madness? THIS IS SATUUUUUUUURRRRN!!! Sorry. I know it's late, but I couldn't resist that one. ...and another alien life got kicked into a gravity well. Earth and water, you'll find enough of both down there. -------- Ideas for: Mining
OutOfTheBox Cyborg	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:43:00 - [80] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/02/2009 23:59:32 fyi we don't have nothing of that size in space.. it's many times bigger than the space station and you're telling me it's space junk that got torn off something.. dissapearing and reappering gigantic "space junk".. who would've thunk it.. it's the same with everything... people tend to NOT accept the logical conclusion but instead only accept the conclusions that fit with their current view of reality.. and then they call that logical and rational. judging by the size and shape of the object it would appear to be an alien spacecraft of unknown origin which is parked near the ring disguising itself, we can conclude due to its size that it's either a very task specific ship, a storage ship, or a carrier ship of some kind which can deploy additional smaller ships.. or all of the above. it is possibly observing something because it is stationary and a while later is no where in sight, which means that aliens in fact do exist and that they are most likely observing us and that they have either cloaking technology and/or some sort of ultra fast propulsion for space travel which means that they are much more advanced than we currently are. Of course it is totally valid to deduce advanced aliens, cloaking tech, spying on us, from this photo Who exactly is it here who is reaching conclusions that fit with their current view of reality..??? Secondly, if aliens did want to hide from us and spy, why the hell would they choose to park up by one of the handful of heavily watched things in the solar system. Space is awesomely vast. They could park up in the middle of nowhere, or even right up relatively close to Earth, and the chance of anyone seeing them on a telescope would be so small as to be irrelevant. Instead of that, they choose to 'hide' right next to the rings of Saturn??? LOL.

Kyguard Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:02:00 - [81] The photograph taken by Armstrong of a cigar-shaped object near a crater looks like a photoshop and hardly real -
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:31:00 - [82] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: 7shining7one7 Building 7 collapsed due to fire This is really sick how people use these comparisons to fuel conspiracy theories. Comparing buildings that were on fire to the twin towers that were hit by large aircraft and pretending that the fire did all the damage. Now punch a large hole 1/4 of the way down the Mandarin hotel tower and try that again, let's see how fast it collapses then. More than that, the construction techniques used in the Mandarin towers were very different than those used in the WTC towers. So they really aren't comparable at all. Popular Mechanics has already completely and utterly debunked the various 9/11 myths. But dumb-ass morons like 7shining7one7 won't accept reality and prefer to live in their f-ed up little bubble world so that their miserable little lives can have relevance. 7shining7one7: You're just another Oswald waiting to happen. Fix the Wardec System!
zibelthurdos Hoshi's Mining and Logistics	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:19:00 - [83] Originally by: Kyguard The photograph taken by Armstrong of a cigar-shaped object near a crater looks like a photoshop and hardly real no it's absolutely a real image. it just happens to be a photograph of lunar craters with an out of focus floodlight boom in the foreground ----------------------------------------------- Don't think of it as dying, Think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:08:00 - [84] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 17/02/2009 08:18:46 Originally by: Bish Ounen 7shining7one7: You're just another Oswald waiting to happen. that's impossible i'd never hurt anyone. also, it is rich coming from your hateful mouth, you are likely the person who would kill someone over small or irrational things because your hate indeed makes you delusional. also everyone knows oswald was a patsy unless you believe in magic bullets, an ironic example to use. why you have so much hate towards people wishing others well is something you will have to figure out, but i can assure you it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with what you harbor inside, regardless how much you proclaim it to be otherwise. you speak of attempting to feel significant, well what is it you do but attempt to elevate yourself above me and others by talking your hate and contempt and taking pleasure in your spiteful remarks... who is the friend and who is the angry fool? you could all do well thinking about that, unless you are too busy pretending.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:15:00 - [85] Originally by: 7shining7one7 more incoherent babbling That's nice. How about you actually answer some of the many posts (from both myself and multiple other people) where your claims have been shown to be pure bull****? Of course you won't, because you can't handle a factual debate, you just spam your delusional ramblings and run off to smoke some more pot when anyone starts to ask difficult questions. -----------
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:31:00 - [86] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 17/02/2009 08:33:29 Originally by: Merin Ryskin i robot/implant i understand.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:39:00 - [87] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 17/02/2009 08:43:46 i humbly wish you all peace love and understanding. not hatred, conflict or anger as some seek to create. may you find your own way.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:46:00 - [88] It's a CONSPIRACY!!!!!1111!!!! nuff said Play nice while you butcher each other.


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