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Terrapin
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Posted - 2004.08.08 15:20:00 -
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 Originally by: IIVY
Originally by: Terrapin
Originally by: Dust Puppy
Afaik hitting gang members was classified as hostile act
Can someone confirm that attacking a gang member triggers a Concord response?
If so, that's pretty stupid imho. This didn't used to be the case, and I haven't seen any notice from CCP mentioning that this has changed.
its not stupid! just imagine all the newer players just starting and out of no where some pirate gang invites the rookie, gang warps to the rookie and bang!! he/she is dead, oh look another n00b to gang invite get my point?
there would be mass murdering in all 1.0 space and CONCORD wouldn't be able to do a dam thing about it.
Well.. I used to try out new setups on corp/gang members.
Although I see your point, I think CCP should have announced a change like this in the news section. If I'd gone out to 'spar' with a corp member and had my ship pulverized by Concord I'd be very displeased (to put it mildly).
And besides, like someone mentioned earlier, ganging up with someone means you trust them.
The original poster's incident was accidental, but what if during combat in empire space I fire a smartbomb or missile and do some splash damage to a gang member in the process.. do I deserve to have my ship blown up for that?
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2004.08.08 15:20:00 -
[62]
Originally by: IIVY
Originally by: Terrapin
Originally by: Dust Puppy
Afaik hitting gang members was classified as hostile act
Can someone confirm that attacking a gang member triggers a Concord response?
If so, that's pretty stupid imho. This didn't used to be the case, and I haven't seen any notice from CCP mentioning that this has changed.
its not stupid! just imagine all the newer players just starting and out of no where some pirate gang invites the rookie, gang warps to the rookie and bang!! he/she is dead, oh look another n00b to gang invite get my point?
there would be mass murdering in all 1.0 space and CONCORD wouldn't be able to do a dam thing about it.
Well.. I used to try out new setups on corp/gang members.
Although I see your point, I think CCP should have announced a change like this in the news section. If I'd gone out to 'spar' with a corp member and had my ship pulverized by Concord I'd be very displeased (to put it mildly).
And besides, like someone mentioned earlier, ganging up with someone means you trust them.
The original poster's incident was accidental, but what if during combat in empire space I fire a smartbomb or missile and do some splash damage to a gang member in the process.. do I deserve to have my ship blown up for that?
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
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OmegaPsycho
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:12:00 -
[63]
Edited by: OmegaPsycho on 08/08/2004 16:17:02
Good points, but this has been in game for a couple of months now and last i knew there was no splash damage?
Also there is no way of CONCORD knowing the difference from Accidental or purposely done agression towards others.
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OmegaPsycho
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:12:00 -
[64]
Edited by: OmegaPsycho on 08/08/2004 16:17:02
Good points, but this has been in game for a couple of months now and last i knew there was no splash damage?
Also there is no way of CONCORD knowing the difference from Accidental or purposely done agression towards others.
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c)If someone has "ganked" u "HARD" because of "poor game mechanics" send in a "Petition" don't come crying to forums. k?
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OmegaPsycho
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:15:00 -
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Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
i voted for this. GREAT IDEA!
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a)Have a pic,video or chat log of how u owned the player or Corp. if not then STFU!!! k?
b)If someone has pwned u because u suck at EVE do not come crying to the forums cause NO 1 GIVES A FLYING DUCK!!! k?
c)If someone has "ganked" u "HARD" because of "poor game mechanics" send in a "Petition" don't come crying to forums. k?
d) last but not least, If u do not have something constructive to say on the forums then STFU!! k?
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OmegaPsycho
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:15:00 -
[66]
Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
i voted for this. GREAT IDEA!
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c)If someone has "ganked" u "HARD" because of "poor game mechanics" send in a "Petition" don't come crying to forums. k?
d) last but not least, If u do not have something constructive to say on the forums then STFU!! k?
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:20:00 -
[67]
Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
actually this would give the agressor more time to kill you and warp out before you make your decision? no? the question is, if you get podded before making your decision will that cancel it out??
alot of things to think about.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:20:00 -
[68]
Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
actually this would give the agressor more time to kill you and warp out before you make your decision? no? the question is, if you get podded before making your decision will that cancel it out??
alot of things to think about.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:24:00 -
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not really related to topic but what i would like to see is prewarning about your security status before you jump into a system and get ganked by CONCORD.
they should give you the option to "yes" jump in or "no" i'm fine kthxbye?
i would still be piloting my Scorpion if they had that option 3 or 4 months ago 
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.08.08 16:24:00 -
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not really related to topic but what i would like to see is prewarning about your security status before you jump into a system and get ganked by CONCORD.
they should give you the option to "yes" jump in or "no" i'm fine kthxbye?
i would still be piloting my Scorpion if they had that option 3 or 4 months ago
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2004.08.08 17:23:00 -
[71]
Originally by: OmegaTron
Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
actually this would give the agressor more time to kill you and warp out before you make your decision? no? the question is, if you get podded before making your decision will that cancel it out??
alot of things to think about.
Hmm.. you're right. How about this; if you haven't replied, they attack once your shields go down completely. That would offer sufficient protection and still leave Concord intervention optional.
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2004.08.08 17:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: OmegaTron
Quote:
Like NereSky suggested earlier it wouldn't be all that hard to make Concord's reaction optional. (And this wouldn't even have to apply just to gang members either.) When someone attacks you in empire space some Concord ships warp in and you get a nice pop-up message from the fleet commander saying "We've noticed suchandso has initiated an agressive act, would you like to have us intervene? Yes/no".
actually this would give the agressor more time to kill you and warp out before you make your decision? no? the question is, if you get podded before making your decision will that cancel it out??
alot of things to think about.
Hmm.. you're right. How about this; if you haven't replied, they attack once your shields go down completely. That would offer sufficient protection and still leave Concord intervention optional.
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Staci Stardust
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Posted - 2004.08.08 17:50:00 -
[73]
Let me make sure I have this straight. I will reword it some so that I make sure I have it down.
Hey CCP, I am an idiot and caused the destruction of my own ship!!!
Please protect me from myself!
Is that about right?
As for Concord, they are just fine. If they were weakened in any way, we would once more have empire ganking on a large scale.
The fact is, there are a portion of any players in a PvP game that aren't into PvP, they only like one sided gank fests.
This may be bacause they were beaten as children, or never got laid by anyone, much less any of the beautiful people, or they may just be horrible people, but whatever the reason games such as this, with certain zones that are supposed to be safe, must take steps to make these zones safe. For this reason uber NPC gank squards are created to enforce the rules.
In other words, NOTHING needs to change, except that YOU need to NOT ATTACK anyone in high sec space.
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Staci Stardust
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Posted - 2004.08.08 17:50:00 -
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Let me make sure I have this straight. I will reword it some so that I make sure I have it down.
Hey CCP, I am an idiot and caused the destruction of my own ship!!!
Please protect me from myself!
Is that about right?
As for Concord, they are just fine. If they were weakened in any way, we would once more have empire ganking on a large scale.
The fact is, there are a portion of any players in a PvP game that aren't into PvP, they only like one sided gank fests.
This may be bacause they were beaten as children, or never got laid by anyone, much less any of the beautiful people, or they may just be horrible people, but whatever the reason games such as this, with certain zones that are supposed to be safe, must take steps to make these zones safe. For this reason uber NPC gank squards are created to enforce the rules.
In other words, NOTHING needs to change, except that YOU need to NOT ATTACK anyone in high sec space.
The advent of the computer now allows us to make more mistakes, faster than ever before anytime in history. The possible exception being the combination of Tequila and handguns. |
IIVY
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Posted - 2004.08.08 19:17:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Staci Stardust
Let me make sure I have this straight. I will reword it some so that I make sure I have it down.
Hey CCP, I am an idiot and caused the destruction of my own ship!!!
Please protect me from myself!
Is that about right?
As for Concord, they are just fine. If they were weakened in any way, we would once more have empire ganking on a large scale.
The fact is, there are a portion of any players in a PvP game that aren't into PvP, they only like one sided gank fests.
This may be bacause they were beaten as children, or never got laid by anyone, much less any of the beautiful people, or they may just be horrible people, but whatever the reason games such as this, with certain zones that are supposed to be safe, must take steps to make these zones safe. For this reason uber NPC gank squards are created to enforce the rules.
In other words, NOTHING needs to change, except that YOU need to NOT ATTACK anyone in high sec space.
i think the topic is on accidental agression not purposely?
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IIVY
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Posted - 2004.08.08 19:17:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Staci Stardust
Let me make sure I have this straight. I will reword it some so that I make sure I have it down.
Hey CCP, I am an idiot and caused the destruction of my own ship!!!
Please protect me from myself!
Is that about right?
As for Concord, they are just fine. If they were weakened in any way, we would once more have empire ganking on a large scale.
The fact is, there are a portion of any players in a PvP game that aren't into PvP, they only like one sided gank fests.
This may be bacause they were beaten as children, or never got laid by anyone, much less any of the beautiful people, or they may just be horrible people, but whatever the reason games such as this, with certain zones that are supposed to be safe, must take steps to make these zones safe. For this reason uber NPC gank squards are created to enforce the rules.
In other words, NOTHING needs to change, except that YOU need to NOT ATTACK anyone in high sec space.
i think the topic is on accidental agression not purposely?
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**Director and Queen of TPOD Corp**
TPOD ALLIANCE is Recruiting......click here for more info.
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.08.08 20:56:00 -
[77]
Originally by: NereSky
it'd be cool that, if you were in a gang with somone, and you get hit by a gang member not in your corp, a box pops up asking if you want to call Concord for assistance. a simple yes / no would help matters.
Simple and effective.
Seconded.
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.08.08 20:56:00 -
[78]
Originally by: NereSky
it'd be cool that, if you were in a gang with somone, and you get hit by a gang member not in your corp, a box pops up asking if you want to call Concord for assistance. a simple yes / no would help matters.
Simple and effective.
Seconded.
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:12:00 -
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CONCORD likes to pwn my haulers :s
atm its
Concord 3
Haulers 0
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:12:00 -
[80]
CONCORD likes to pwn my haulers :s
atm its
Concord 3
Haulers 0
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:43:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
CONCORD likes to pwn my haulers :s
atm its
Concord 3
Haulers 0
LOLLLLOLLLOLLL
sorry Gaius, but it just puts a human face on a  
Vicarrah
Tahiri Protector |
Vicarrah
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:43:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
CONCORD likes to pwn my haulers :s
atm its
Concord 3
Haulers 0
LOLLLLOLLLOLLL
sorry Gaius, but it just puts a human face on a
Vicarrah
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: NereSky
it'd be cool that, if you were in a gang with somone, and you get hit by a gang member not in your corp, a box pops up asking if you want to call Concord for assistance. a simple yes / no would help matters.
Simple and effective.
Seconded.
MrBinary
exploitable, like convoing ppl in battle.
I would prolly turn it off if i had the chance.
Fact is:
smartbombs, having your drones out while afk, and
using missiles in high sec empire systems are all things one should NOT do.
they all offer opportunities to get whaqcked by concord accidentally. Smartbombs go off and hit stuff, drones do their random attack thing while a neutral person is in the belt you were mining and missiles have ways of screwing with stuff you don't want to think about at all.
These 3 things are things you should have learned along with the main law in EVE: you NEVER use a BS anywhere while not insured, unless you've got loads of isk to replace it with already.
I have a dominix ive had for 6 months now, it's my ultimate backup for when i lose like all my isk and modules. I keep it in some out of the way spot im never at. I've insured it 100% twice now and havent used the damn ship with even once. the last thing you want is that your only BS gets screwed with while tis uninsured.
Sorry, little pity here
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.08.08 23:54:00 -
[84]
Originally by: MrBinary
Originally by: NereSky
it'd be cool that, if you were in a gang with somone, and you get hit by a gang member not in your corp, a box pops up asking if you want to call Concord for assistance. a simple yes / no would help matters.
Simple and effective.
Seconded.
MrBinary
exploitable, like convoing ppl in battle.
I would prolly turn it off if i had the chance.
Fact is:
smartbombs, having your drones out while afk, and
using missiles in high sec empire systems are all things one should NOT do.
they all offer opportunities to get whaqcked by concord accidentally. Smartbombs go off and hit stuff, drones do their random attack thing while a neutral person is in the belt you were mining and missiles have ways of screwing with stuff you don't want to think about at all.
These 3 things are things you should have learned along with the main law in EVE: you NEVER use a BS anywhere while not insured, unless you've got loads of isk to replace it with already.
I have a dominix ive had for 6 months now, it's my ultimate backup for when i lose like all my isk and modules. I keep it in some out of the way spot im never at. I've insured it 100% twice now and havent used the damn ship with even once. the last thing you want is that your only BS gets screwed with while tis uninsured.
Sorry, little pity here
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:56:00 -
[85]
I dont see the problem in haveing a butten pop up ingame in safe space saying this and this person did you Damege you need help yes/no
I belive 9 out of 10 cases are acidentel If Concord does not recive a answer they should just fine the crap out of the agresser (yeah i know this will make it possible to attack afk ships and "only" get fined for it)
this warning need only pop up if you are not at war etc etc and only in secure (.5+) space as it will be extremely anoying anywhere else
now of course Concord need to blow in the minute combat occurs and warp and weapon scramble the agresser this will stop them from killing the Noob and also only hold them for a short period
an alternative would be that if you got positive (or neutral) sec status you would be asumed that what you did was a mistake so Concord would just warp in scramble you for lets say 5 minutes and release you (you would still get the sec hit)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.08.09 15:56:00 -
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I dont see the problem in haveing a butten pop up ingame in safe space saying this and this person did you Damege you need help yes/no
I belive 9 out of 10 cases are acidentel If Concord does not recive a answer they should just fine the crap out of the agresser (yeah i know this will make it possible to attack afk ships and "only" get fined for it)
this warning need only pop up if you are not at war etc etc and only in secure (.5+) space as it will be extremely anoying anywhere else
now of course Concord need to blow in the minute combat occurs and warp and weapon scramble the agresser this will stop them from killing the Noob and also only hold them for a short period
an alternative would be that if you got positive (or neutral) sec status you would be asumed that what you did was a mistake so Concord would just warp in scramble you for lets say 5 minutes and release you (you would still get the sec hit)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2004.08.09 19:11:00 -
[87]
Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 09/08/2004 19:13:29
Here is an Idea:
Whenever there is aggression like this, concord shows up immediatly, warp and weapons jams everone on scene... and asks the following question to the "victim"
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"CONCORDs long range sensors have detected aggressive action taken against you, would you like to press charges against the offending party?
YES NO
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Yes - They get whacked
No - They get off the hook with a warning
Addendum.
Maybe after YES is selected, CONCORD takes the agression into account and deals the punishment accordingly.
Different degrees of offences require different pnishments.
If it was something like a minor damage amybe a fine or lein aainst equipment.
The more serious the offence or damage, the stiffer the fine... all the way up to ship destruction, maybe even death penalty!
There would even be offences that requred automatic judgment, but if it is something similar to the above situation, this would be a fun and effective solution to the Black and White attitude of CONCORD.
DOH! --- I see it,
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2004.08.09 19:11:00 -
[88]
Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 09/08/2004 19:13:29
Here is an Idea:
Whenever there is aggression like this, concord shows up immediatly, warp and weapons jams everone on scene... and asks the following question to the "victim"
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"CONCORDs long range sensors have detected aggressive action taken against you, would you like to press charges against the offending party?
YES NO
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Yes - They get whacked
No - They get off the hook with a warning
Addendum.
Maybe after YES is selected, CONCORD takes the agression into account and deals the punishment accordingly.
Different degrees of offences require different pnishments.
If it was something like a minor damage amybe a fine or lein aainst equipment.
The more serious the offence or damage, the stiffer the fine... all the way up to ship destruction, maybe even death penalty!
There would even be offences that requred automatic judgment, but if it is something similar to the above situation, this would be a fun and effective solution to the Black and White attitude of CONCORD.
DOH! --- I see it,
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Koolaide
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Posted - 2004.08.09 20:05:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Koolaide on 09/08/2004 20:07:21
I was flying in my BlackBird the other day, moving to a system where my corp mates were. I decided to preactivate my launchers, just incase the enemy happens to show up on scanner. While approaching one of the gates, I decided to pan my camera around. Just so happens my initial mouse click landed on the stargate.
Im gald I insured that ship.
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Koolaide
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Posted - 2004.08.09 20:05:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Koolaide on 09/08/2004 20:07:21
I was flying in my BlackBird the other day, moving to a system where my corp mates were. I decided to preactivate my launchers, just incase the enemy happens to show up on scanner. While approaching one of the gates, I decided to pan my camera around. Just so happens my initial mouse click landed on the stargate.
Im gald I insured that ship.
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