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Seth Trucido	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:21:00 - [1] So, I still play EVE, my friend used to play then just had more real life stuff to do so he quit, though he wants to come back. My friend is, for lack of a better word, not that smart. I mean that in a paticular way to. He can't retain information very well. He learn's somewhat slowly. His brain gets tired of quickly. He also soemtimes read's things backwards. I could be considered 'smart'. I can do arthimatic in my head quickly (notice, i didn't say 'basic', as I routinly do my Analytical Mechanics problems in my head before I write down any work, am I bragging? ok a little, im kinda proud of it :P ), I can retain knowledge pretty well, I learn quickly. Im quite studious (Im a double major math-physics, sophmore year right now, 3 out of my 4 classess are upper division). ok, now that my head is big enough to be locked in under a second by a battleship with a cloaking device on, let me tell you what im getting at. me and him both played EVE equally well. He did maybe even better then I did. I remember it well, it took me 2 weeks to finnally help him figure out how to play the game, but once he did, he was hooked. he was out ratting, doing missions, tried mining once, did some pvp, which surprised me cause he called me one morning and went "dude i killed this guy! he attacked me and i killed him". one month old and already bagging a pvp kill. Im two years old and my first kill came 4 months into my account lol. I notice a lot of people talk about how this is a game for 'smart' people. I don't think thats very accurate. I think its better to say that it's for dedicated people. The games initial learning curve is VERY VERY rough. what other game takes several weeks to just figure it out? If someone can stick it out it becomes very second nature. (Also, I think eve's difficulty comes in from fake difficulty. not the core game itself, but the unituitive U.I. , the compeltly unique geographical structure (most MMO's are in a 2d plain of movement for the most part). The lack of any distuigishing feature for a local. the spreadsheets of data, etc.) so yah, i dont think its bad if CCP tries to make it easier to get INTO the game, that could do well for everyone. They aren't really 'dumbing' it down. Also, don't confuse dumbing it down for makeing it safer. those are two compeltly diffrent things, and are a totallly diffrent argument.
iLuvRocks	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:25:00 - [2] it depends, if you wanna max out those engineering skills you will need lots of intelligence.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:27:00 - [3] Being able to read and having common sense is all you need. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:30:00 - [4] Smart is realtive. Being good at math does not mean you are good at EVE ;). EVE requiers you to think tho, but in a certin way depending on what gioal you have in EVE. You want to run an empire? Social smarts. You want to PvP? just guts and time to grind isk for the losses ^^ (as well as understaning how to fit your ship). Market? Some finacial intuition and interest. Industry? You need time to get to know all the industry stuff. So EVE is not only for smart people, but as you say, more dedicatd people. EVE is time consuming, and a long term game if you want to do anyhting else the frig/cruiser PvP. In regards to how quick on can learn, thats irrelevant. Your frind may not pivk things up quickly in school, maby since he do not have an interest for it. But if he has an interest for EVE, he will surly learn fast. However. EVE is "smarter" then say WOW for many reasons. EVE requiers you to actually think for yourself, ans in a PvP situation the ones that are "smart" will win.
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Taedrin on 17/02/2009 02:32:38 EVE's learning curve: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0901/LearningCurve.jpg Once you get past the initial brick wall/cliff, EVE's learning curve is FLAT. Once you know all the modules and how they interact with each other and your ship's bonuses, you can fit just about any ship. Once you know how to properly tank a ship for missions, you can clear any mission. So on, and so forth. Now, if you get into PvP, then EVE suddenly becomes a game much more about cunning and intelligence. It's all about tricking your enemy into falling into your trap and avoiding your enemy's trap. If your friend is gullible and not "smart" enough to recognize when he is being taken advantage of, he may have a rude awakening awaiting him in the future. A fool and his ISK are soon parted. But then again, just because your friend isn't very good at math, doesn't mean he isn't smart.
eFart	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:36:00 - [6] u can fly ships and u must fit them u can shoot nubs fit web n scram go do orbit stuff lock quick shoot fast think first lurn more dont die bs is bigger then frig frig is faste u can also bump
Sythyss Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:47:00 - [7] intelligence is diverse. that is all. ---------------------------
zibelthurdos Hoshi's Mining and Logistics	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:48:00 - [8] he could always be a goon. ----------------------------------------------- Don't think of it as dying, Think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way.
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way. Even Jenny Spitfire? Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.

An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Element 22 Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way. Even Jenny Spitfire? She is obviously smarter than you guys, because you fall for her trolls all the time. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Being able to read and having common sense is all you need. Pretty much. But valid points are valid, you can't just slide right into EVE. That isn't what this type of game is: Something you pick up and play. No it takes a little dedication, a little thought into what you're doing and reading. And of course common sense. Oh and respect. All you nubs who think your armor-repping-shield-boosting-split-weapons-system battleship is the ***zniz...sigh...young-uns....When an army of vets tell you that's a stupid idea, you should probably listen. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u* Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:29:00 - [13] none. I like my EVE'ers like my hos. innocent, dumb, and gullable to do "anything" I made it smaller for you Navigater...My name is in it. That's the minimum required for a sig if I remember correctly
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:53:00 - [14] Human intelligence is incredibly complex. Boiling people down to "Smart vs dumb" just doesn't work. If it's a learning issue, then it just means he might have some issues learning certain game mechanics at the worst. That's more or less it.
Zhora Six	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Zhora Six on 17/02/2009 03:54:56 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Element 22 Even Jenny Spitfire? She is obviously smarter than you guys, because you fall for her trolls all the time. I'd fall for Jenny any da... Gah! What is wrong with me? @OP - For every level of intelligence one can put into this game, it takes multiple levels of patience and memory. EVE does not have the instant gratification we're accustomed to in most games. My hope is that it stays this way. ___________________________________ CCP Greyscale: Pie is not compatible with the dark, dangerous nature of EVE. We replaced it with Black Forest Gateaux, which meets the necessary criteria.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:02:00 - [16] I'm terrible at math. I suck at EVE too. - Infectious -
No Homo Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:15:00 - [17] Look how arrogant you are.
Barua	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:21:00 - [18] This is the type of game where reading comprehension and basic mathematical skills are vital. You don't have to be smart, you just have to be able to understand what you're reading, understand how it relates to other aspects, and practical applications of said information. Even the math aspect of EvE isn't that important. Quick and dirty calculations are usually sufficient. There are no standard cookie cutter "I Win" setups. This is not a game that pigeon holes you into a specific role/setup/profession/career. It's sad to say, but some players need that role predefined for them. The concept of a game so open as EvE can be intimidating and confusing, especially to the WoW kiddies (maybe that's why they hate all other MMOs). Having said all that, I still do believe EvE's learning cliff needs to be bulldozed a little. The sheer amount of information initially tossed at newbies needs to be sorted and compiled into neat and understandable context. The way things are currently, new players are expected to already know how to run before they ever learn how to crawl.
Dreamwalker	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:28:00 - [19] If you can point and click you can play Eve Originally by: Hexxx Congratulations to him for having two brains cells to rub together and give himself a tingling sensation.
Verx Interis Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:06:00 - [20] I had a similar experience. I brought a friend into the game and didn't give him much more than ship setups and a bit of money. I had to take a break for a while and when I checked in again he had already found a lot of ingame help in the form of other players. Later on I was talking to him when he suddenly (almost) killed another rupture that attacked him, except that he didn't have a scram. It surprised me, to say the least. For a while he still had to ask me about random things until I stopped answering and now he's done quite a bit I haven't. ---- Logins required for this post: 7488

Sunbird Huy Caldari Wolf Task Force Gemini Federation	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:08:00 - [21] Originally by: zibelthurdos he could always be a goon. Someone else needed to draw attention to himself by using goons reference. Look what happened to big, powerful and SMART BoB...errr Kenny...GOONED DOWN.
Kulmid Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:10:00 - [22] it requires an IQ, OVER 9000! I'm surprised it took this long... _________________
panterus29 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:21:00 - [23] if you ask me the intelligence required completely depends on what you want to do in the game. if you just want to sit back and mine rocks and make isk that doesnt take much intelligence but if you want to make an empire with that isk it takes a little bit more in the braincase to do that. also if you want to be real good at pvp you have to be quick and think on your toes which from what ive heard actually is a sign of intelligence in a person although it may be different than the intelligence it takes to start a trade career in the game. also, human relations are are generally kept in order and functioning due to the intelligence of the one doing so. smart game design if you ask me.
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:23:00 - [24] Originally by: iLuvRocks it depends, if you wanna max out those engineering skills you will need lots of intelligence.
Kitsumi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:32:00 - [25] How smart? Not smart at all, really. Or at least not well educated. Read these forums for a bit. Nothing has ever reaffirmed my faith in my own intelligence and education than these forums. From the comments of "there are less physics in space!" to the lack of understanding of the difference of mass and force, the bad descriptions of inertia, the failed understanding of simple market forces. All of that before we even get to the fundamental problem of horrible spelling and grammar. I suppose one could argue that those people might not be doing well in the game but they're playing it and writing about it here. So apparently they're doing well enough to at least attempt commentary on the game. *Scars flown proud!*
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:03:00 - [26] I'm pretty good at arthimatic, too. --
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:04:00 - [27] Did you ever read "rich dad, poor dad"? It's a book about personal finance that makes the point that a guy with multiple advanced degrees from top universities (the author's father) was far less successful in life and business than a guy who never finished high school (his friend's father) but used common sense and knew the limits of his own expertise. A "smart" person may be able to calculate ISK per hour yields for a dozen asteroid types by designing a perfect spreadsheet, but a "smarter" person may be the one who develops a rule of thumb or finds an expert source to tell him what to do. Also it sounds like your friend is more of a man than you are, but that's an aside. ....
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:11:00 - [28] The kind that stops you from sticking thine tinfoil covered peepee in a flashy place My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:12:00 - [29] Might just be me but for pvpers : Savage Cunning > Smart. Beware of the sneaky barbarians :) "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:35:00 - [30] "what kind of intelligence does it take to play eve" depends on your rule set: - AD&D, i'd say 9 is enough. - DnD3, you probably want 12 points at least to get that extra bump to your will save. I imagine those would come up constantly under stress. - World of Darkenss, 3 dots (minimum) in intelligence i'd say. also, wits and composure i think would be key. resolve at least 2 dots. i'd put 4, 3, 3, 3 into those, and save on physical dots. hell, maybe even skimp on merits and push wits into 5. that's the only rule sets i'm personally hardcore familiar with. hope it helps.



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