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Seth Trucido	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:21:00 - [1] So, I still play EVE, my friend used to play then just had more real life stuff to do so he quit, though he wants to come back. My friend is, for lack of a better word, not that smart. I mean that in a paticular way to. He can't retain information very well. He learn's somewhat slowly. His brain gets tired of quickly. He also soemtimes read's things backwards. I could be considered 'smart'. I can do arthimatic in my head quickly (notice, i didn't say 'basic', as I routinly do my Analytical Mechanics problems in my head before I write down any work, am I bragging? ok a little, im kinda proud of it :P ), I can retain knowledge pretty well, I learn quickly. Im quite studious (Im a double major math-physics, sophmore year right now, 3 out of my 4 classess are upper division). ok, now that my head is big enough to be locked in under a second by a battleship with a cloaking device on, let me tell you what im getting at. me and him both played EVE equally well. He did maybe even better then I did. I remember it well, it took me 2 weeks to finnally help him figure out how to play the game, but once he did, he was hooked. he was out ratting, doing missions, tried mining once, did some pvp, which surprised me cause he called me one morning and went "dude i killed this guy! he attacked me and i killed him". one month old and already bagging a pvp kill. Im two years old and my first kill came 4 months into my account lol. I notice a lot of people talk about how this is a game for 'smart' people. I don't think thats very accurate. I think its better to say that it's for dedicated people. The games initial learning curve is VERY VERY rough. what other game takes several weeks to just figure it out? If someone can stick it out it becomes very second nature. (Also, I think eve's difficulty comes in from fake difficulty. not the core game itself, but the unituitive U.I. , the compeltly unique geographical structure (most MMO's are in a 2d plain of movement for the most part). The lack of any distuigishing feature for a local. the spreadsheets of data, etc.) so yah, i dont think its bad if CCP tries to make it easier to get INTO the game, that could do well for everyone. They aren't really 'dumbing' it down. Also, don't confuse dumbing it down for makeing it safer. those are two compeltly diffrent things, and are a totallly diffrent argument.
iLuvRocks	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:25:00 - [2] it depends, if you wanna max out those engineering skills you will need lots of intelligence.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:27:00 - [3] Being able to read and having common sense is all you need. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation]
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:30:00 - [4] Smart is realtive. Being good at math does not mean you are good at EVE ;). EVE requiers you to think tho, but in a certin way depending on what gioal you have in EVE. You want to run an empire? Social smarts. You want to PvP? just guts and time to grind isk for the losses ^^ (as well as understaning how to fit your ship). Market? Some finacial intuition and interest. Industry? You need time to get to know all the industry stuff. So EVE is not only for smart people, but as you say, more dedicatd people. EVE is time consuming, and a long term game if you want to do anyhting else the frig/cruiser PvP. In regards to how quick on can learn, thats irrelevant. Your frind may not pivk things up quickly in school, maby since he do not have an interest for it. But if he has an interest for EVE, he will surly learn fast. However. EVE is "smarter" then say WOW for many reasons. EVE requiers you to actually think for yourself, ans in a PvP situation the ones that are "smart" will win.
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Taedrin on 17/02/2009 02:32:38 EVE's learning curve: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0901/LearningCurve.jpg Once you get past the initial brick wall/cliff, EVE's learning curve is FLAT. Once you know all the modules and how they interact with each other and your ship's bonuses, you can fit just about any ship. Once you know how to properly tank a ship for missions, you can clear any mission. So on, and so forth. Now, if you get into PvP, then EVE suddenly becomes a game much more about cunning and intelligence. It's all about tricking your enemy into falling into your trap and avoiding your enemy's trap. If your friend is gullible and not "smart" enough to recognize when he is being taken advantage of, he may have a rude awakening awaiting him in the future. A fool and his ISK are soon parted. But then again, just because your friend isn't very good at math, doesn't mean he isn't smart.
eFart	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:36:00 - [6] u can fly ships and u must fit them u can shoot nubs fit web n scram go do orbit stuff lock quick shoot fast think first lurn more dont die bs is bigger then frig frig is faste u can also bump
Sythyss Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:47:00 - [7] intelligence is diverse. that is all. ---------------------------
zibelthurdos Hoshi's Mining and Logistics	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:48:00 - [8] he could always be a goon. ----------------------------------------------- Don't think of it as dying, Think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way.
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way. Even Jenny Spitfire? Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Element 22 Originally by: Taylor timenenzi Originally by: Sythyss intelligence is diverse. that is all. This. Unless you actualy have brain damage my personal belief is everyones intelligent in some way. Even Jenny Spitfire? She is obviously smarter than you guys, because you fall for her trolls all the time. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Being able to read and having common sense is all you need. Pretty much. But valid points are valid, you can't just slide right into EVE. That isn't what this type of game is: Something you pick up and play. No it takes a little dedication, a little thought into what you're doing and reading. And of course common sense. Oh and respect. All you nubs who think your armor-repping-shield-boosting-split-weapons-system battleship is the ***zniz...sigh...young-uns....When an army of vets tell you that's a stupid idea, you should probably listen. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u* Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:29:00 - [13] none. I like my EVE'ers like my hos. innocent, dumb, and gullable to do "anything" I made it smaller for you Navigater...My name is in it. That's the minimum required for a sig if I remember correctly
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:53:00 - [14] Human intelligence is incredibly complex. Boiling people down to "Smart vs dumb" just doesn't work. If it's a learning issue, then it just means he might have some issues learning certain game mechanics at the worst. That's more or less it.
Zhora Six	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Zhora Six on 17/02/2009 03:54:56 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Element 22 Even Jenny Spitfire? She is obviously smarter than you guys, because you fall for her trolls all the time. I'd fall for Jenny any da... Gah! What is wrong with me? @OP - For every level of intelligence one can put into this game, it takes multiple levels of patience and memory. EVE does not have the instant gratification we're accustomed to in most games. My hope is that it stays this way. ___________________________________ CCP Greyscale: Pie is not compatible with the dark, dangerous nature of EVE. We replaced it with Black Forest Gateaux, which meets the necessary criteria.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:02:00 - [16] I'm terrible at math. I suck at EVE too. - Infectious -
No Homo Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:15:00 - [17] Look how arrogant you are.
Barua	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:21:00 - [18] This is the type of game where reading comprehension and basic mathematical skills are vital. You don't have to be smart, you just have to be able to understand what you're reading, understand how it relates to other aspects, and practical applications of said information. Even the math aspect of EvE isn't that important. Quick and dirty calculations are usually sufficient. There are no standard cookie cutter "I Win" setups. This is not a game that pigeon holes you into a specific role/setup/profession/career. It's sad to say, but some players need that role predefined for them. The concept of a game so open as EvE can be intimidating and confusing, especially to the WoW kiddies (maybe that's why they hate all other MMOs). Having said all that, I still do believe EvE's learning cliff needs to be bulldozed a little. The sheer amount of information initially tossed at newbies needs to be sorted and compiled into neat and understandable context. The way things are currently, new players are expected to already know how to run before they ever learn how to crawl.
Dreamwalker	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:28:00 - [19] If you can point and click you can play Eve Originally by: Hexxx Congratulations to him for having two brains cells to rub together and give himself a tingling sensation.
Verx Interis Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:06:00 - [20] I had a similar experience. I brought a friend into the game and didn't give him much more than ship setups and a bit of money. I had to take a break for a while and when I checked in again he had already found a lot of ingame help in the form of other players. Later on I was talking to him when he suddenly (almost) killed another rupture that attacked him, except that he didn't have a scram. It surprised me, to say the least. For a while he still had to ask me about random things until I stopped answering and now he's done quite a bit I haven't. ---- Logins required for this post: 7488
Sunbird Huy Caldari Wolf Task Force Gemini Federation	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:08:00 - [21] Originally by: zibelthurdos he could always be a goon. Someone else needed to draw attention to himself by using goons reference. Look what happened to big, powerful and SMART BoB...errr Kenny...GOONED DOWN.
Kulmid Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:10:00 - [22] it requires an IQ, OVER 9000! I'm surprised it took this long... _________________
panterus29 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:21:00 - [23] if you ask me the intelligence required completely depends on what you want to do in the game. if you just want to sit back and mine rocks and make isk that doesnt take much intelligence but if you want to make an empire with that isk it takes a little bit more in the braincase to do that. also if you want to be real good at pvp you have to be quick and think on your toes which from what ive heard actually is a sign of intelligence in a person although it may be different than the intelligence it takes to start a trade career in the game. also, human relations are are generally kept in order and functioning due to the intelligence of the one doing so. smart game design if you ask me.
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:23:00 - [24] Originally by: iLuvRocks it depends, if you wanna max out those engineering skills you will need lots of intelligence.
Kitsumi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:32:00 - [25] How smart? Not smart at all, really. Or at least not well educated. Read these forums for a bit. Nothing has ever reaffirmed my faith in my own intelligence and education than these forums. From the comments of "there are less physics in space!" to the lack of understanding of the difference of mass and force, the bad descriptions of inertia, the failed understanding of simple market forces. All of that before we even get to the fundamental problem of horrible spelling and grammar. I suppose one could argue that those people might not be doing well in the game but they're playing it and writing about it here. So apparently they're doing well enough to at least attempt commentary on the game. *Scars flown proud!*
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:03:00 - [26] I'm pretty good at arthimatic, too. --
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:04:00 - [27] Did you ever read "rich dad, poor dad"? It's a book about personal finance that makes the point that a guy with multiple advanced degrees from top universities (the author's father) was far less successful in life and business than a guy who never finished high school (his friend's father) but used common sense and knew the limits of his own expertise. A "smart" person may be able to calculate ISK per hour yields for a dozen asteroid types by designing a perfect spreadsheet, but a "smarter" person may be the one who develops a rule of thumb or finds an expert source to tell him what to do. Also it sounds like your friend is more of a man than you are, but that's an aside. ....
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:11:00 - [28] The kind that stops you from sticking thine tinfoil covered peepee in a flashy place My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:12:00 - [29] Might just be me but for pvpers : Savage Cunning > Smart. Beware of the sneaky barbarians :) "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:35:00 - [30] "what kind of intelligence does it take to play eve" depends on your rule set: - AD&D, i'd say 9 is enough. - DnD3, you probably want 12 points at least to get that extra bump to your will save. I imagine those would come up constantly under stress. - World of Darkenss, 3 dots (minimum) in intelligence i'd say. also, wits and composure i think would be key. resolve at least 2 dots. i'd put 4, 3, 3, 3 into those, and save on physical dots. hell, maybe even skimp on merits and push wits into 5. that's the only rule sets i'm personally hardcore familiar with. hope it helps.
Prontifex THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:11:00 - [31] It's a game for 'street smart' people. Not 'smart' people who can crunch numbers in their head. ----------------------------------- THE INTERNET. killboard
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:52:00 - [32] Various IQ studies on gifted children demonstrate that above 120, there is no relation between IQ and worldly accomplishment. Someone with an IQ of 120 is just as likely to win a Nobel Prize than someone with an IQ of 180. And while 120 is above average, it's not that exceptional. On the other hand, EQ (emotional intelligence) does seem to play a significant role, as does your height (a study on Harvard MBAs show taller people tend to be more successful)...although I'm guessing height is not a factor in MMOs So it's no surprise someone with an average IQ can do well in Eve...or in life for that matter.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Barua There are no standard cookie cutter "I Win" setups. This is not a game that pigeon holes you into a specific role/setup/profession/career. It's sad to say, but some players need that role predefined for them. The concept of a game so open as EvE can be intimidating and confusing, especially to the WoW kiddies (maybe that's why they hate all other MMOs). EVE also pigeon holes people and EVE is not an open world where you can do anything. Just like in other mmo's EVE has professions, trading, mining, missioning, manufacturing. It is EXACTLY the same apart from there not being a button that says "Become a miner". And EVE also pigeon holes you into certain roles/setups. You are a sniper, closerange dps, tackler, scout etc. Yes you may have 8 hi, med and low slots and are able to make hundreds of different setup combo's. But you don't put a shiled booster on an armor tanker and in the end u find that nearly all setups are similar. The openness in EVE is an illusion created by the lack of goals in the game but in the end it is as limited as every other mmo. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
AC Resonance Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:38:00 - [34] If you have to ask...
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:00:00 - [35] As someone stated, being street smart is more important. That and people skills.
Chief Simpson Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:01:00 - [36] Edited by: Chief Simpson on 17/02/2009 12:01:26 The Eve population can be divided into two types: those who lose and those who [are] loose. ----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time...
Hroya Gallente Quietis Semita	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:11:00 - [37] As soon as you understand it is a game you are playing you have all the intelligence you need to survive in EvE.
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:03:00 - [38] I lyk hw the OP sownds lyk he finks he is suwper smart but his post is full of speling mystakes
Caterpillar AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:30:00 - [39] This game also has a large element of luck, with the paper-scissors-stone analogy being a good one. Gary Player's quote rings as true for EVE as it does for golf: "the more I practise, the luckier I get." I love to practise.
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:39:00 - [40] Well I have a friend who is quite badly dyslexic, now this doesnt mean he's not intelligent and certainly doesnt mean he cant play Eve, however it would be a lot of work, exasperating and probably frustrating, especially with the amount of zero's everything costs. With Eve's font being so squashed even I struggle sometimes. So I dont, nor will ever encourage him to play. If he wanted to play while still knowing this I wouldnt stop him, but I certainly wouldnt be pestering him to play. So if your friend struggles to read and write and also has learning difficulties I cant imagine that he would have much fun in Eve. Yes he could play and grasp it and even become a good pilot, but will it fun? would it be enjoyable?... I cant see it. Not only that he would probably become quite dependent on you!... it all sounds like a lot of work when games are supposed to be fun.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:53:00 - [41] You basically only need to learn how to behave with one ship type and stick with that and you can be a success without knowing much about anything else, just be sure to become an expert on a cheap ship. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:55:00 - [42] I wouldn't say that EVE's learning curve is that hard, or that you need copious dollops of IQ in order to be able to play it. The principals are pretty straight forward; blowing peeps up can make you money, selling stuff for more than its really worth will make you money - money buys you better stuff. Social skills are equally important as they will allow you to achieve the above faster as a group. In fact a high IQ might be a detriment in EVE. You're less likely to be sociable for example and more likely to spend time carefully analysing all the options / variations available in the game. As an example knowing the formula for calculating the transversal on your turrets is unlikely to help you against the 'social' player and his 55 buddies on the .0 gate youve just blundered through... C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Stan Jens	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: zibelthurdos he could always be a goon. Someone else needed to draw attention to himself by using goons reference. Look what happened to big, powerful and SMART BoB...errr Kenny...GOONED DOWN. Actually you are wrong If anything goons were robbed of the only chance to show that they could defeat bob, by 1 person. They will never get the chance to ultimately claim victory. (except on the forums). One person did what thousands of goons and their allies could not do. And, of all things, it was BOB that denied them.....
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:01:00 - [44] Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. --- NEW MOVIE!
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:06:00 - [46] By looking at some of the threads on this forum I would say none at all is needed.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. Because, of course, nobody ever got rich and/or succesful IRL by doing honest work? I do hope I missed the irony in your post. CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
The Snowman Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Mashie Saldana By looking at some of the threads on this forum I would say none at all is needed. Forums are a completly different game ;)
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Cailais And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. That is true, I was referring a bit to having ISK or influence in the game of Eve, which I have not. I've got just over a billion in ISK and assets (and about 700 mil that people borrowed from me and I trust I'll be getting back, some day), and no fancy corp or alliance with a ton of dyspro moons in the backpocket which many of the other CSM people seem to have. Instead I bother with totally unprofitable stuff like Factional Warfare which cost me hundreds of millions, and for my income I stick to level 3 missions because I suck at level 4's (lost a kronos due to the respawn in 'stop the thief' spawning right on top of me, and didn't dare to touch them since). Being on the CSM is nice and certainly something I like doing, but I treat it as a job in which the players are my boss. And it doesn't pay any ISK or $$$ nor does it give me any kind of influence in the game, so I'm not sure if it's truly a measure of success. --- NEW MOVIE!
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Prontifex It's a game for 'street smart' people. Not 'smart' people who can crunch numbers in their head. This. I suppose eve requires common sense, or wisdom, more than intelligence.
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Cailais And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. That is true, I was referring a bit to having ISK or influence in the game of Eve, which I have not. I've got just over a billion in ISK and assets (and about 700 mil that people borrowed from me and I trust I'll be getting back, some day), and no fancy corp or alliance with a ton of dyspro moons in the backpocket which many of the other CSM people seem to have. Instead I bother with totally unprofitable stuff like Factional Warfare which cost me hundreds of millions, and for my income I stick to level 3 missions because I suck at level 4's (lost a kronos due to the respawn in 'stop the thief' spawning right on top of me, and didn't dare to touch them since). Being on the CSM is nice and certainly something I like doing, but I treat it as a job in which the players are my boss. And it doesn't pay any ISK or $$$ nor does it give me any kind of influence in the game, so I'm not sure if it's truly a measure of success. Influence needn't be a sledge hammer 'gimme all yer stuff or Ill DD yur POS' approach. For example players might be influenced in terms of their in game activities by personalities such as Chribba, yourself, Pottsey and others. This influence, albeit slight, still impacts upon the overall universe of EVE. How many 'carebears' saw you enter into FW willingly and decided to also give it a try? What if, in months or years down the road, one of those players goes on to found Alliance in .0? Intended influence might be harder to achieve, but if we're to ask what's the ultimate accolade, or measure of success in an MMO then surely it must be a function of fame/infamy amongst the player population? Whether you achieve that through amassing more ISK than anyone else, being the acknowledge expert on all things shield tanking, achieving a great heist, being the best PODCAST producer or just having more Veldspar than anyone should have a right mind to is really just the means to an end. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Korizan	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:00:00 - [52] Intelligence and learning curve are both relative. The learning curve mostly has to do with the amount options you get from day one. There is little in the way of guidance in EVE, and most of it comes from other players. So EVE can be over whelming in the first few days or weeks or not @ all depending on how much you want to do. If you focus on one thing it really is pretty simple. Try and absorb it all @ once you will get a headache. Intelligence well.... You can buy and sell on the markets and make money or you can delve very deeply in it number crunching and maximizing your output. One requires very little learning the other requires a fair amount more. PVP, a person can jump into a ship and get kills or get killed, they can get setups from others and do better then the designer of the ship setup. You can spend months checking out every last setup and maximizing it for any situation or just one. And you can still fail. PvP can absorb the battle leaders the planners the grunts, all do there part and enjoy. Some might require more intelligence then others but all can still enjoy. I can go on and on in ever walk of life in EVE. NONE of them require a high intelligence to do. In fact intelligence really is only a matter of focus and information absorption rates. It might take somebody longer to absorb information but in the end they stand on the same ground as those who learned there trade in a few weeks. The edge in intelligence comes in change. Those who adapt faster to change generally end up in the lead, but not always. And I am sure most have notices some people just seem to be better @ doing some things. It has very little to do with intelligence and more the way a persons brain is hardwired. A Mozart and Pacaso might have been terrible in math or history but does that make them less intelligent, does it even matter, nope. Bottom line is there are no limits or requirements other then find what you like and are good at and just enjoy the game.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:24:00 - [53] 0
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Chief Simpson Edited by: Chief Simpson on 17/02/2009 12:01:26 The Eve population can be divided into two types: those who lose and those who [are] loose. Its a shame there are no women on the internet
Maleficius Trucido	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:41:00 - [55] dude you stole my last name.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:37:00 - [56] I'd agree with most of what Cailais and Anhk wrote - it's more about people skills than genuine intelligence. You probably need a bit to pick up the more subtle nuances of the game quicker, or to really excel at some more mathematical area like trading and margins. However if I was going to pick skills to have in a hypothetical EVE player, I'd pick patience, dedication, common sense, the ability to listen, the ability to know when to shut up (I fail horribly at this), and probably a few more people-oriented skills before I got near intelligence & IQ. Originally by: Cailais For example players might be influenced in terms of their in game activities by personalities such as Chribba, yourself, Pottsey and others. Oh yes. I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't influenced by some of the 'names' in EVE - sometimes positively, sometimes negatively - 'I want to get there' or 'I hope I never end up like that', it's all valid. Originally by: Maleficius Trucido dude you stole my last name. You could be long lost brothers! ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Marc Bastalle Prometheus Academy	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:40:00 - [57] Quote: what kind of intellegence does it take to play EVE? The same kind of intelligence that would tell you posting that OP would be a poor idea. /thread ---- New players click above!
Tybalt Usra	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:27:00 - [58] You don't have to be very clever to play eve really. Can you read forums to get ship setups and mission guides? You don't exactly have to be a rocket surgeon to manage that. In fact I would guess about 70% of EVE don't even manage that and they still seem to play fine.
Pestilent Industries	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:27:00 - [59] Low to Moderate.
Dochas	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:11:00 - [60] What kind of intelligence does it take to play eve? Artificial
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:16:00 - [61] Judging by some of my fellow players and certain associates, not very much at all. Just some basic computer literacy and nothing better to do with your time.
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:33:00 - [62] Quote: He did maybe even better then I did. I'm stupider than you so didn't bother to read the whole thread and check to see if you have already been picked up on this. than You Improvise. You Adapt. You overcome! Have a plan, Execute it violently Do it now. ~General Douglas MacArthur
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. Explain 'allowed'. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:43:00 - [64] most of the mistakes made in this game are because you rushed or didnt stop and think. if you have patients then you will rule the game and not everyone rule you. for example i rushed at fitting my damination and didnt even realise that someone marked up one of the command modules up to rediculus high like 200 mill yet i didnt even realise it so i was pretty broke for that week This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
Kagura Nikon Minmatar M. Corp	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:56:00 - [65] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Being able to read and having common sense is all you need. common sense.. far more important than inteligence in eve. OTher particularly powerfull attributes are charisma ( the MOST important one in a game like this), perseverance, courage and organization. Doign math in your had faster than any other human will help.. NOTHING. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Erasmas	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:54:00 - [66] Originally by: Seth Trucido So, I still play EVE, my friend used to play then just had more real life stuff to do so he quit, though he wants to come back. My friend is, for lack of a better word, not that smart. I mean that in a paticular way to. He can't retain information very well. He learn's somewhat slowly. His brain gets tired of quickly. He also soemtimes read's things backwards. I could be considered 'smart'. I can do arthimatic in my head quickly (notice, i didn't say 'basic', as I routinly do my Analytical Mechanics problems in my head before I write down any work, am I bragging? ok a little, im kinda proud of it :P ), I can retain knowledge pretty well, I learn quickly. Im quite studious (Im a double major math-physics, sophmore year right now, 3 out of my 4 classess are upper division). ok, now that my head is big enough to be locked in under a second by a battleship with a cloaking device on, let me tell you what im getting at. me and him both played EVE equally well. He did maybe even better then I did. I remember it well, it took me 2 weeks to finnally help him figure out how to play the game, but once he did, he was hooked. he was out ratting, doing missions, tried mining once, did some pvp, which surprised me cause he called me one morning and went "dude i killed this guy! he attacked me and i killed him". one month old and already bagging a pvp kill. Im two years old and my first kill came 4 months into my account lol. I notice a lot of people talk about how this is a game for 'smart' people. I don't think thats very accurate. I think its better to say that it's for dedicated people. The games initial learning curve is VERY VERY rough. what other game takes several weeks to just figure it out? If someone can stick it out it becomes very second nature. (Also, I think eve's difficulty comes in from fake difficulty. not the core game itself, but the unituitive U.I. , the compeltly unique geographical structure (most MMO's are in a 2d plain of movement for the most part). The lack of any distuigishing feature for a local. the spreadsheets of data, etc.) so yah, i dont think its bad if CCP tries to make it easier to get INTO the game, that could do well for everyone. They aren't really 'dumbing' it down. Also, don't confuse dumbing it down for makeing it safer. those are two compeltly diffrent things, and are a totallly diffrent argument. most people generally jerk it to ****, not a mirror. Whatever floats your boat, though.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.02.18 02:06:00 - [67] Quote: Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Mad Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. tl;dr: I'm smart and talented, I suck at EVE only because I'm better than all of you. Now, please explain Chribba. Bonus points for convincing us that Chribba is really a psychopath.
Drixil Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.18 02:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Kitsumi How smart? Not smart at all, really. Or at least not well educated. Read these forums for a bit. Nothing has ever reaffirmed my faith in my own intelligence and education than these forums. From the comments of "there are less physics in space!" to the lack of understanding of the difference of mass and force, the bad descriptions of inertia, the failed understanding of simple market forces. All of that before we even get to the fundamental problem of horrible spelling and grammar. I suppose one could argue that those people might not be doing well in the game but they're playing it and writing about it here. So apparently they're doing well enough to at least attempt commentary on the game. I see your Harrumph and will raise you a hoity-toity

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