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Prontifex THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:11:00 - [31] It's a game for 'street smart' people. Not 'smart' people who can crunch numbers in their head. ----------------------------------- THE INTERNET. killboard
Zora Xen	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:52:00 - [32] Various IQ studies on gifted children demonstrate that above 120, there is no relation between IQ and worldly accomplishment. Someone with an IQ of 120 is just as likely to win a Nobel Prize than someone with an IQ of 180. And while 120 is above average, it's not that exceptional. On the other hand, EQ (emotional intelligence) does seem to play a significant role, as does your height (a study on Harvard MBAs show taller people tend to be more successful)...although I'm guessing height is not a factor in MMOs So it's no surprise someone with an average IQ can do well in Eve...or in life for that matter.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Barua There are no standard cookie cutter "I Win" setups. This is not a game that pigeon holes you into a specific role/setup/profession/career. It's sad to say, but some players need that role predefined for them. The concept of a game so open as EvE can be intimidating and confusing, especially to the WoW kiddies (maybe that's why they hate all other MMOs). EVE also pigeon holes people and EVE is not an open world where you can do anything. Just like in other mmo's EVE has professions, trading, mining, missioning, manufacturing. It is EXACTLY the same apart from there not being a button that says "Become a miner". And EVE also pigeon holes you into certain roles/setups. You are a sniper, closerange dps, tackler, scout etc. Yes you may have 8 hi, med and low slots and are able to make hundreds of different setup combo's. But you don't put a shiled booster on an armor tanker and in the end u find that nearly all setups are similar. The openness in EVE is an illusion created by the lack of goals in the game but in the end it is as limited as every other mmo. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
AC Resonance Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:38:00 - [34] If you have to ask...
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:00:00 - [35] As someone stated, being street smart is more important. That and people skills.
Chief Simpson Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:01:00 - [36] Edited by: Chief Simpson on 17/02/2009 12:01:26 The Eve population can be divided into two types: those who lose and those who [are] loose. ----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time...
Hroya Gallente Quietis Semita	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:11:00 - [37] As soon as you understand it is a game you are playing you have all the intelligence you need to survive in EvE.
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:03:00 - [38] I lyk hw the OP sownds lyk he finks he is suwper smart but his post is full of speling mystakes
Caterpillar AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:30:00 - [39] This game also has a large element of luck, with the paper-scissors-stone analogy being a good one. Gary Player's quote rings as true for EVE as it does for golf: "the more I practise, the luckier I get." I love to practise.
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:39:00 - [40] Well I have a friend who is quite badly dyslexic, now this doesnt mean he's not intelligent and certainly doesnt mean he cant play Eve, however it would be a lot of work, exasperating and probably frustrating, especially with the amount of zero's everything costs. With Eve's font being so squashed even I struggle sometimes. So I dont, nor will ever encourage him to play. If he wanted to play while still knowing this I wouldnt stop him, but I certainly wouldnt be pestering him to play. So if your friend struggles to read and write and also has learning difficulties I cant imagine that he would have much fun in Eve. Yes he could play and grasp it and even become a good pilot, but will it fun? would it be enjoyable?... I cant see it. Not only that he would probably become quite dependent on you!... it all sounds like a lot of work when games are supposed to be fun.

Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:53:00 - [41] You basically only need to learn how to behave with one ship type and stick with that and you can be a success without knowing much about anything else, just be sure to become an expert on a cheap ship. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:55:00 - [42] I wouldn't say that EVE's learning curve is that hard, or that you need copious dollops of IQ in order to be able to play it. The principals are pretty straight forward; blowing peeps up can make you money, selling stuff for more than its really worth will make you money - money buys you better stuff. Social skills are equally important as they will allow you to achieve the above faster as a group. In fact a high IQ might be a detriment in EVE. You're less likely to be sociable for example and more likely to spend time carefully analysing all the options / variations available in the game. As an example knowing the formula for calculating the transversal on your turrets is unlikely to help you against the 'social' player and his 55 buddies on the .0 gate youve just blundered through... C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Stan Jens	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Sunbird Huy Originally by: zibelthurdos he could always be a goon. Someone else needed to draw attention to himself by using goons reference. Look what happened to big, powerful and SMART BoB...errr Kenny...GOONED DOWN. Actually you are wrong If anything goons were robbed of the only chance to show that they could defeat bob, by 1 person. They will never get the chance to ultimately claim victory. (except on the forums). One person did what thousands of goons and their allies could not do. And, of all things, it was BOB that denied them.....
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:01:00 - [44] Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. --- NEW MOVIE!
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Seems to me that in Eve, people skills > intelligence, by far. That and having no morals. I admit I suck at Eve, and it's not because I lack intelligence, but it's because I'm a sociopath WITH so many morals it's limiting my actions. No shooting at people, no trading (usury, and thus immoral), no scamming, no corps (because all kinds of authority are immoral by default), and so on. So basically all the things that can make you rich and successful in Eve are activities I'm not allowed to do. Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:06:00 - [46] By looking at some of the threads on this forum I would say none at all is needed.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Same thing in real life. The rich and successful people IRL turn out people with average IQ, and psychopathic tendencies which allows them to easily exploit other people. Because, of course, nobody ever got rich and/or succesful IRL by doing honest work? I do hope I missed the irony in your post. CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
The Snowman Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Mashie Saldana By looking at some of the threads on this forum I would say none at all is needed. Forums are a completly different game ;)
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Cailais And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. That is true, I was referring a bit to having ISK or influence in the game of Eve, which I have not. I've got just over a billion in ISK and assets (and about 700 mil that people borrowed from me and I trust I'll be getting back, some day), and no fancy corp or alliance with a ton of dyspro moons in the backpocket which many of the other CSM people seem to have. Instead I bother with totally unprofitable stuff like Factional Warfare which cost me hundreds of millions, and for my income I stick to level 3 missions because I suck at level 4's (lost a kronos due to the respawn in 'stop the thief' spawning right on top of me, and didn't dare to touch them since). Being on the CSM is nice and certainly something I like doing, but I treat it as a job in which the players are my boss. And it doesn't pay any ISK or $$$ nor does it give me any kind of influence in the game, so I'm not sure if it's truly a measure of success. --- NEW MOVIE!
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Prontifex It's a game for 'street smart' people. Not 'smart' people who can crunch numbers in their head. This. I suppose eve requires common sense, or wisdom, more than intelligence.

Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Cailais And yet you got voted in to the CSM and probably have a higher Avatar presence or 'reknown' than most other players. It really depends upon how you measure 'success'. C. That is true, I was referring a bit to having ISK or influence in the game of Eve, which I have not. I've got just over a billion in ISK and assets (and about 700 mil that people borrowed from me and I trust I'll be getting back, some day), and no fancy corp or alliance with a ton of dyspro moons in the backpocket which many of the other CSM people seem to have. Instead I bother with totally unprofitable stuff like Factional Warfare which cost me hundreds of millions, and for my income I stick to level 3 missions because I suck at level 4's (lost a kronos due to the respawn in 'stop the thief' spawning right on top of me, and didn't dare to touch them since). Being on the CSM is nice and certainly something I like doing, but I treat it as a job in which the players are my boss. And it doesn't pay any ISK or $$$ nor does it give me any kind of influence in the game, so I'm not sure if it's truly a measure of success. Influence needn't be a sledge hammer 'gimme all yer stuff or Ill DD yur POS' approach. For example players might be influenced in terms of their in game activities by personalities such as Chribba, yourself, Pottsey and others. This influence, albeit slight, still impacts upon the overall universe of EVE. How many 'carebears' saw you enter into FW willingly and decided to also give it a try? What if, in months or years down the road, one of those players goes on to found Alliance in .0? Intended influence might be harder to achieve, but if we're to ask what's the ultimate accolade, or measure of success in an MMO then surely it must be a function of fame/infamy amongst the player population? Whether you achieve that through amassing more ISK than anyone else, being the acknowledge expert on all things shield tanking, achieving a great heist, being the best PODCAST producer or just having more Veldspar than anyone should have a right mind to is really just the means to an end. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Korizan	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:00:00 - [52] Intelligence and learning curve are both relative. The learning curve mostly has to do with the amount options you get from day one. There is little in the way of guidance in EVE, and most of it comes from other players. So EVE can be over whelming in the first few days or weeks or not @ all depending on how much you want to do. If you focus on one thing it really is pretty simple. Try and absorb it all @ once you will get a headache. Intelligence well.... You can buy and sell on the markets and make money or you can delve very deeply in it number crunching and maximizing your output. One requires very little learning the other requires a fair amount more. PVP, a person can jump into a ship and get kills or get killed, they can get setups from others and do better then the designer of the ship setup. You can spend months checking out every last setup and maximizing it for any situation or just one. And you can still fail. PvP can absorb the battle leaders the planners the grunts, all do there part and enjoy. Some might require more intelligence then others but all can still enjoy. I can go on and on in ever walk of life in EVE. NONE of them require a high intelligence to do. In fact intelligence really is only a matter of focus and information absorption rates. It might take somebody longer to absorb information but in the end they stand on the same ground as those who learned there trade in a few weeks. The edge in intelligence comes in change. Those who adapt faster to change generally end up in the lead, but not always. And I am sure most have notices some people just seem to be better @ doing some things. It has very little to do with intelligence and more the way a persons brain is hardwired. A Mozart and Pacaso might have been terrible in math or history but does that make them less intelligent, does it even matter, nope. Bottom line is there are no limits or requirements other then find what you like and are good at and just enjoy the game.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:24:00 - [53] 0
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.17 15:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Chief Simpson Edited by: Chief Simpson on 17/02/2009 12:01:26 The Eve population can be divided into two types: those who lose and those who [are] loose. Its a shame there are no women on the internet
Maleficius Trucido	Posted - 2009.02.17 19:41:00 - [55] dude you stole my last name.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:37:00 - [56] I'd agree with most of what Cailais and Anhk wrote - it's more about people skills than genuine intelligence. You probably need a bit to pick up the more subtle nuances of the game quicker, or to really excel at some more mathematical area like trading and margins. However if I was going to pick skills to have in a hypothetical EVE player, I'd pick patience, dedication, common sense, the ability to listen, the ability to know when to shut up (I fail horribly at this), and probably a few more people-oriented skills before I got near intelligence & IQ. Originally by: Cailais For example players might be influenced in terms of their in game activities by personalities such as Chribba, yourself, Pottsey and others. Oh yes. I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't influenced by some of the 'names' in EVE - sometimes positively, sometimes negatively - 'I want to get there' or 'I hope I never end up like that', it's all valid. Originally by: Maleficius Trucido dude you stole my last name. You could be long lost brothers! ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Marc Bastalle Prometheus Academy	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:40:00 - [57] Quote: what kind of intellegence does it take to play EVE? The same kind of intelligence that would tell you posting that OP would be a poor idea. /thread ---- New players click above!
Tybalt Usra	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:27:00 - [58] You don't have to be very clever to play eve really. Can you read forums to get ship setups and mission guides? You don't exactly have to be a rocket surgeon to manage that. In fact I would guess about 70% of EVE don't even manage that and they still seem to play fine.
Pestilent Industries	Posted - 2009.02.17 21:27:00 - [59] Low to Moderate.
Dochas	Posted - 2009.02.17 22:11:00 - [60] What kind of intelligence does it take to play eve? Artificial



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