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Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:32:00 - [1] Accepting Mercenary contracts, High sec / Low sec only Target Corporation must have memeber count of 70 or less, All clients will remain Anonymous unless instructed otherwise We deal with High sec war decs, carrier ganks, and single assasinations Fees vary depending on the contract and length of contract Eve mail for details.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:30:00 - [2] in before nexus. Killboard links --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:45:00 - [3] As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.17 03:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts Makes sense I guess, otherwise "previous contract" targets could hire you with an alt and set you up amirite? I C what you did there
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts So nobody knows if they are getting their moneys worth until the contract is over with? Lame.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:09:00 - [6] Well yes and no Mainly its for our previous clients, sometimes the contracts can be very delicate or there can be simultaneous contracts from same client, which could show patterns that may jeopordize their identity Our customers are our top priority
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Anope on 17/02/2009 04:12:28 Edited by: Anope on 17/02/2009 04:10:26 Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts So nobody knows if they are getting their moneys worth until the contract is over with? Lame. hmmm edit: How will they know if you are actually killing them?
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts So nobody knows if they are getting their moneys worth until the contract is over with? Lame. They know who the target is, and their targets killboard
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:16:00 - [9] How much do you charge for "assasinations"? If your allowed to 'disclose' that information
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 04:22:00 - [10] Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 04:22:11 if it is a specific faction or capital ship you want ganked it will cost you 50% of that ships value (modules not included in cost) Assasinations fees are payed only after contract has been completed (Assasinations only) but their are three requirements: 1.) Target must be alone, we don't attack mobs if the contract is for a solo kill 2.) Target cannot be a super capital 3.) Target must be located in Low sec or in a corporation

Cythris0101	Posted - 2009.02.17 05:36:00 - [11] Mercenaries are teh lame So much better ways to make money lol Mercenaries = RPG wannabees
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:12:00 - [12] OP is full of fail today as can be seen here Cross posting is bad m'kay.
Suitellis EAGLES FIGHTER SQUADRON End of The Line.	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts Then how is anyone supposed to know this is legit or not? For all we know this could just be a half-baked scam attempt.
Nexus Kinnon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:53:00 - [14] checkin' in.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 07:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Suitellis Originally by: Ishmmael As stated our clients remain Anonymous This includes details on previous contracts Then how is anyone supposed to know this is legit or not? For all we know this could just be a half-baked scam attempt. Most of our customers are from word of mouth, We have only dealt with contracts on a pretty small scale Decided to take it to forums now that we are well established with what we do Buisness will be good regardless of what you think
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Ishmmael Originally by: Suitellis Decided to take it to forums now that we are well established with what we do Buisness will be good regardless of what you think You aren't established though, and saying that business will be good regardless of what people think is just crazy speak tbh, if people think your service is a pile of crap then they ain't going to hire you. P.S. Business is not spelt buisness, learn to spell.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Ishmmael Originally by: Suitellis Decided to take it to forums now that we are well established with what we do Buisness will be good regardless of what you think You aren't established though, and saying that business will be good regardless of what people think is just crazy speak tbh, if people think your service is a pile of crap then they ain't going to hire you. P.S. Business is not spelt buisness, learn to spell. We are well established with what we do* and buisness has been very good for us, which is why I made the decision to expand our operations to the forums. Im not claiming that we are pro mercs, as stated earlier we operate on a pretty small scale
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde in before nexus. Killboard links Didn't you get the memo? killboard shows nothing, NOTHING I say !!! _________________________________
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Stalina Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde in before nexus. Killboard links Didn't you get the memo? killboard shows nothing, NOTHING I say !!! No killboard makes it hard for enemies to know our fleet setups etc... To verify that the contract is completed our customers check the targets killboard
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:53:00 - [20] Not trolling or actually interested in hiring mercs but you're in a 1 man corp, have no corp history, show no killboards, testimonies or anything else. Doesn't really build up the trustworthyness I think. Given the above, why would people choose you over for instance Noir., REPO or ABP to name a few?

Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 10:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 11:01:48 Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 11:00:14 Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 10:59:29 Originally by: Tzar'rim Not trolling or actually interested in hiring mercs but you're in a 1 man corp, have no corp history, show no killboards, testimonies or anything else. Doesn't really build up the trustworthyness I think. Given the above, why would people choose you over for instance Noir., REPO or ABP to name a few? In the past most of our customers were from word of mouth. Peers telling Peers etc... This is our first crack at advertisement, starting to think we should just stick with the old ways. Just our of curiousity how does Noir, REPO, ABP deal with ex targets faking a contract on an alt to set them up for a trap? Or is it simply because they more members? We have 23 in our group so this is how we protect ourselves, I'm not one to make the same mistake twice Edit: Type fixed
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:07:00 - [22] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 17/02/2009 11:09:44 Originally by: Ishmmael No killboard makes it hard for enemies to know our fleet setups etc... It's pretty easy to do your research and find out what sort of ships you fly. Getting a customer to check the targets killboard is also sketchy, there's a lot of corporations and alliances out there that wont post all of their losses. The reason most mercenary units have killboards is to make it much more userfriendly for both their client and themselves. If someone wants to find information out about what ships you field, they'll be able to do it via other peoples killboards anyway. Also gives you some form of credibility. While a mercs killboard will usually not tell 100% of the story, it can give you an overall look at their organisation and you can determine if they're actually worth your ISK. While I appreciate what you're trying to do, I'm unsure of what makes you any different from any of the other 500 merc units that come through here everyday. By trying to hide yourself, you don't make it any easier for a client to pick you over any of the well known groups. edit: The thanatos story is pretty amusing, but you're not stopping that by using an alt as a contact position. You still need to wardec someone with your main corporation, you still need to kill people with your main corporation. If you **** someone off, they'll still do the same to you.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Ishmmael No killboard makes it hard for enemies to know our fleet setups etc... To verify that the contract is completed our customers check the targets killboard It is true that it would make it harder initially for your targets to know your set-ups, it would not take anyone who is half decent long to work out your tactics and basic set-ups. Also changing tactics from time to time would probably make things more enjoyable for your group. As for your clients checking the targets killboards as to how well the contract went, well that has to be the worst method I can think of, first of all how many people do you kill who dont post their losses on their own killboard, and secondly how many corporations dont even have a killboard? You seriously need your own killboard which you can show to people interested in your service and also to the client for reference during and after the contract. Originally by: Ishmmael We have 23 in our group so this is how we protect ourselves, I'm not one to make the same mistake twice Its common sense to look to protect yourselves, however the way that you feel you are protecting yourself is only going to cause problems in getting work, risk vs reward springs to mind. The more I read this thread the more I can't help but think this is just a troll, a good troll, but a troll none the less. If you are not a troll and are serious "which I do hope btw", then I hope you will listen to the advice people are giving you, lot's of guns for hire on here, only a minority are worth using imo so you have to make compromises to compete and succeed.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:21:00 - [24] Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 11:24:57 Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 11:21:59 Originally by: Mickey Simon The thanatos story is pretty amusing, but you're not stopping that by using an alt as a contact position. You still need to wardec someone with your main corporation, you still need to kill people with your main corporation. Very constructive critisim, thanks! Although since our customers dont wish for their name to be disclosed, they don't disclose information about us. All the target player knows is that he got ganked by a group of players, and High sec corps think it is just another random war dec. Solved the problem perfectly for us While that initial customer tell his RL's or close friends about what we do and who to contact giving us more customers, the only reason I have posted this thread here anyway is because business has been very good. Didnt forsee this problem, though I should have (it being a forum advertisement) Any suggestions? Solved the problem perfectly for us
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Kirra Liu first of all how many people do you kill who dont post their losses on their own killboard, and secondly how many corporations dont even have a killboard? We have had this happen twice now, but both times the client was directly involved within the targets corporation. I guess we have been fortunate : )
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:34:00 - [26] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 17/02/2009 11:34:55 Originally by: Ishmmael In the past most of our customers were from word of mouth. Peers telling Peers etc... This is our first crack at advertisement, starting to think we should just stick with the old ways. Just our of curiousity how does Noir, REPO, ABP deal with ex targets faking a contract on an alt to set them up for a trap? Or is it simply because they more members? We have 23 in our group so this is how we protect ourselves, I'm not one to make the same mistake twice Edit: Type fixed But that's not the point I was trying to make. The mercs I mentioned are well known, have been active over a longer period of time and there's tales/proof of them doing battle (wether they win them all or lose some doesn't matter in this case). They have built up a history and as such they are a known entity. So again, the question is why would someone choose your group over someone who is well known. And I mean that in a positive way, you have not shown us anything that would make us choose you over others or even get you on the page page as those others. As long as you're incapable/unwilling to put up some proof that you're either on the same level of activity/quality/effectiveness as some other mercs, OR your group working in some sort of niche that the others just can't (be bothered to) cover then your advertising fails to work. If you open a shop in a busy mall and go "we got stuff to sell" that probably won't work too well, you have to outdo your competitors or find a niche they don't cover.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 11:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Tzar'rim So again, the question is why would someone choose your group over someone who is well known. And I mean that in a positive way, you have not shown us anything that would make us choose you over others or even get you on the page page as those others. As long as you're incapable/unwilling to put up some proof that you're either on the same level of activity/quality/effectiveness as some other mercs I am not going to try and tell you that we are as good as them, because quite frankly we are not. We only have 23 players in our corporation (all 20 mil sp +) I guess you could see us as the "local court" opposed to the federal court systems. Our contracts have been on a much smaller scale, we dont even accept a contract if the target corporation exceeds 70 memebers heh I think the reason for our success has been because we do not advertise to major corporations / Alliances unlike the other more established merc corps. Hiring mercs isnt just for the super rich or leaders of a corporation.
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Ishmmael I am not going to try and tell you that we are as good as them, because quite frankly we are not. We only have 23 players in our corporation (all 20 mil sp +) I guess you could see us as the "local court" opposed to the federal court systems. Our contracts have been on a much smaller scale, we dont even accept a contract if the target corporation exceeds 70 memebers heh I think the reason for our success has been because we do not advertise to major corporations / Alliances unlike the other more established merc corps. Hiring mercs isnt just for the super rich or leaders of a corporation. Haha I've never heard of a corp that operated anyway near like yours LOL. This is why I love eve, only in this game can people get so seriously indepth about something virtual : ) Seems very proffesional Heres a tip: Its just a game!! but seriosuly good luck -------
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:35:00 - [29] It's cool seeing people roleplaying certain aspects of EVE, it adds flavour, I roleplay being a sadistic bastard (or a friendly helpful guy, depends on who you ask). I still stand by what I said earlier; if you do want to gain some 'public credibility' I'd do a few contracts where you DO document your battles. As it stands you could just be another "WTS CNR for 150 mil" scam, if you know what I mean.
Ishmmael	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:38:00 - [30] Edited by: Ishmmael on 17/02/2009 12:39:21 Originally by: Tzar'rim It's cool seeing people roleplaying certain aspects of EVE, it adds flavour, I roleplay being a sadistic bastard (or a friendly helpful guy, depends on who you ask). I still stand by what I said earlier; if you do want to gain some 'public credibility' I'd do a few contracts where you DO document your battles. As it stands you could just be another "WTS CNR for 150 mil" scam, if you know what I mean. Haha true, but I think I sould have just done "WTS CNR for 150 mil" seems like everyone and their mothers are doing that hehe I think your right on documenting a few battles, when I say that I mean do a couple public contracts, maybe once a month? I dunno : ) Edit: changed write - > right



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