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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:20:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Hana Lena
Originally by: Element 22
At the heart of hearts on the issue, guns really don't kill people. People do.
"I didn't kill him the bullets and the fall killed him."
In Soviet Federational Russia you fall down elevator shaft onto bullets after double tapping your self in back of head!
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Soporo
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:21:00 -
[32]
Screw your pacifistic dead end (literally) vision.
Quote:
you feel lively fluids rushing up
This is now about hawt EVE sex.
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Jorge Deteis
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:39:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Kachak
I have a dream. Let's bury all the weapons in the EvE universe.
Where?
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
Terradyne Networks Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:44:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Jorge Deteis
Originally by: Kachak
I have a dream. Let's bury all the weapons in the EvE universe.
Where?
At the eve cemetery with all the corpse of course 
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echohead
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:50:00 -
[35]
This thread reminds me of that cult that hangs around stations preaching peace and remote repping people.
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Eramey Svava
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Posted - 2009.02.18 03:10:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kachak
So no one is ready yet to make commitment to the peaceful future I propose?
That is indeed a source of disillusionment for meself.
But I am not human kind who gives up too quickly. I insist my line of thinking is provider of better life for the whole community.
I do not care if I am singled out in this battel against the violence that is surrounding all of us here and there in this universe.
I say, I am trashing all my gun right now. That's right. If you see me on local, and scan me down, you can be perfectly sure that I won't shoot back at you.
But then again, you will have to answer when your grandkids ask you why you shot the defenseless space vessel I was flying.
You see, this is a moral fight we are taking on now.
You better make clear which side you're on.
Thank you.
I'm going to do this the cold and brutal wayùie no sugarcoating. But here it goes.
1. EVE was designed to be a violent place. CCP intended it to be dark, disturbing, and chaotic. It's meant to be intense. CCP does not give you back your stuff when you're ganked by a pirate, they do not hold your hand as you learn. ISK that is stolen from your corporate wallet is stolen for good. etc. I'm sorry, but the "dream" you are considering is no more realistic in EVE than it is in war-torn Africa. And it's even harder IMO, because the mechanics of EVE was meant to attract wars, double-crossing, spying, and scamming. It's the ultimate Machiavellian simulator.
2. The greater part of EVE, aside from those of us who mine, trade, or run missions, is the part that consists of four (or so) major powerblocs in 0.0 space who seek nothing more than to hold onto their current power base and tear the other three down so they can take over their space as well. And if highsec wasn't so restrictive in terms of sovereignty and CONCORD, they'd take over that too. GoonSwarm tried to do it indirectly with Jihadswarmùand funnily enough, the pain they inflicted on every carebear who was targeted by their empire-wide gankfest was nothing more than an economic war-blitz aimed at starving BOB (now referred to as KenZoku). They could care less about the miners. They just wanted to kill BOB. Just look at the Chinese serverùwe're lucky to have four powerblocs. On Serenity, they have oneùjust oneùand it controls all of 0.0 space. EVE is not just a Machiavellian simulator, its an exercise in Hobbesian politics.
3. Anonymity breeds immorality. Learn this lesson quickly. There's a beautiful Penny Arcade comic that states this thus (in picture form): Normal "Moral" Person + Audience + Anonymity = A Complete Jerk. In RL, we have faces that can't change and criminal records that follow us around. In EVE, we have altsùalts upon alts upon alts, and there's no way to give a pirate what he deserves aside from playing him at his own game and doing it better. Is it the nature of humanity to be immoral? Personally, I don't think so. I think we're both good and evil at the same time. But the virtualization of our identity's apparently doesn't bode well for our ethics, as people often believe EVE is "just a game", thus they can "do whatever they want"ùregardless of what you, other people, or even their own conscience might tell them.
4. Killing is not only fun, it's economic. And it makes ISK. If people trash their guns, CCP might as well kill off missions, belt ratting, PVP in general, and extend 1.0 security space all the way to Delve. Reprocessors will have nothing to reprocess, trading in Meta 0-4 modules will come to a screeching halt, inventors won't have any decryptors, and there will be no more rigs because there will be no wrecks to salvage. 75% of the EVE economy will fall over dead, and everyone will be flying Tech 1-fitted Battleships with Mining lasers in the high slots. Not only that, but CCP will lose subscriptions because fighting is fun and it takes the aggression out. Killing is not virtually economic, its real-life economic as well.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.18 03:23:00 -
[37]
Well, it was more entertaining than another elitist whine about game mechanics...
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Eramey Svava
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Posted - 2009.02.18 03:23:00 -
[38]
If you truly are not a troll, then you have seriously had this dream on a whim and you didn't consider the ramifications of it for EVE, other players, or even yourself, nor how it would become a reality. If you stopped and thought for a moment about what you're saying, you might begin to realize how kooky it sounds to the majority of the playerbase here.
Now, here's the thingùI agree with you. There is a lot that goes on in EVE that is sick, dirty, disgusting, and reaches over from the world of virtual-life to manipulate your real life. Consider GoonSwarm disbanding the BOB alliance. BOB was a force built over years of work on behalf of countless people, been beaten back and been revived time and time again as a bastion ofùwell, whatever they were a bastion of to begin with. To be honest I don't think they're better than any other powerbloc. Thinking that any human in this game is more moral than another is an exercise in disillusionmentùsimilar to real life as well. So it is with all the powerblocs. But how does BOB go out? A disgruntled director decides to betray the whole organization and its playerbase, disband the organization, and Goons make a fake corporation to hold the name so that the name "BOB" is nothing more than a laughingstock to the rest of the EVE playerbase, claiming that it's some sort of great victory for them.
Is it underhanded? Yes. Is it victory nonetheless? Yes. And I would bet that any other alliance would do the same thing. Victory is victory, no matter how dirty it is.
EVE teaches you not only how greedy people can be, but also how valuable trust actually is. To think everyone can put down their guns and work together by signing a document deeply underestimates both those human emotions/virtues/vices. EVE can, and never will be, a campside bonfire. If peace ever comes about, it will be hard fought and hard wonùharder than any victory imaginable. EVE is no less than a magnification of the universe of human relationships, with all the ickiness and beauty shoved together on a relatively microcosmic scale, multiplying it until every detail becomes shockingly clear. And I think it was intended to do just that.
It's not a game. It's a social, political, and ethical experiment of massive proportions. And to think EVE can be "solved" (because I do believe violence is a form of brokenness, which is why I agree with you) just by trying to convince people through words not only underestimates EVE's complexity, it underestimates the complexity of humanity itself.
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Dephar Arcarnum
Amarr
Brotherhood of New Eden
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Posted - 2009.02.18 04:29:00 -
[39]
Your either the worst troll ever or God to all carebears, how about going outside to the world and telling them to lay down there arms? it doesnt happen and I dont expect or want it too on eve
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.02.18 04:41:00 -
[40]
First impression:
Yes, everyone put down their weapons so I can use the 18th to gank every single vessel I can find and loot its wreckage.
Also:
There's nothing better than to watch a swarm of drowns fly around a ship, the sound of Amarring lasers shooting into the hull of some unlucky soul. And the light show made by explosion upon explosion via missiles. Friends, I like war.. I love war.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.18 12:57:00 -
[41]
Posting in a "got bored during extra long downtime and ate all my Es" thread.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.18 12:59:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Kachak
How many ships have you lost?
4!
No wait...one sunk in the swamp...5!
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:08:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Bestofworst
There's nothing better than to watch a swarm of drowns fly around a ship,
You found out your drones couldn't swim either eh. 
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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the Entity
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:20:00 -
[44]
8.5/10 - how so many people can get so worked up is hilarious
Originally by: Acama Asante
so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
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Anilusion
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:29:00 -
[45]
Worked up people?! WHERE?!
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Mihali
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:32:00 -
[46]
Epic Fail & LOL. Peace in a spaceship let's conquer the universe MMO
Let all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:53:00 -
[47]
WHO DOESN't know KACHAK?!!
I AGREE COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL GUNS.
all guns, laser, hybrid, everything. ALL GUNS GONE.
..............
*Gets his Drake out fitted with his beautiful HAMS and brings judgement on the gallante noobs that have spread across the galaxy at an un-controlled rate.
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.18 14:30:00 -
[48]
But but but, these guns compensate for my lack of e-peen
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DaxSnake
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Posted - 2009.02.18 14:32:00 -
[49]
Edited by: DaxSnake on 18/02/2009 14:32:57
Originally by: Kachak
Greetings..
My name is Kachak (ingame). I perefer not to tell you my IRL name since I do not have enough trust in multiplayer saceship games. I do not want you stalking my kids, to be honest.
pshh, you should know your safe here
Pedophiles and psychotic stalkers are on myspace not eve =]
*cleans fresh blood off axe*
o_O
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Suneai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.18 14:41:00 -
[50]
Humanity wasn't included in the cloning procedure. 
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.02.18 14:51:00 -
[51]
tbh, i spend enough time being non-violent and passive in real life..
that being said, ill switch to mining for the rest of the evening in the intrest of givving peas a chance.
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Morlar
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Posted - 2009.02.18 15:18:00 -
[52]
To top it all off, Kyoto is a load of crap as well, a response to a non-crisis that isn't mankind's fault. So it's appropriate that your hippie nonsense use it as an example.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.18 15:20:00 -
[53]
Kachak, I understand what you are saying and I wholly support your drive for galactic peace.
However some part of me cries out over the fact Concord and Navy Police would alone hold all the power over us, their demi-Gods.
This cannot be allowed to happen, to lose our sovereignty over individual rights, perhaps forever.
And what also, pray tell, will happen when a few morally crooked pod pilots keep their guns? Shall they reign terror upon us all?
No, I'm afraid unless the peace is anonymous across all of new eden, your revolutionary vision will never occur.
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Zaknussem
Caldari
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.02.18 15:21:00 -
[54]
The OP never said anything about Drones.
Weapons? Yes. Guns? Lots of times. Drones? No.
BIG hint there people.
(For the nitpickers out there, a Drone is not a weapon. A car is not a weapon, yet I can use one as such. Same applies to the Drones. They are multipurpose tools.) |
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