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Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:23:00 - [1] Greetings.. My name is Kachak (ingame). I perefer not to tell you my IRL name since I do not have enough trust in multiplayer saceship games. I do not want you stalking my kids, to be honest. Anyways, this thought came upon me whil I was making mining of asteroids in X solar system. I thought like sharing it with you all, and maybe some day my dream becomes a reality. What I propose is something similar to the Kyoto Protocol in the real world. It's like something you do not want to accept at first, although you know it will make you become better. You refrain, but when you finally give in, you feel lively fluids rushing up your veins and you feel more alive and you feel good. I have a dream. Let's bury all the weapons in the EvE universe. Yes you heard me. Lets take a brave step and say "No!" to all the violence that is surrounding us. How many ships have you lost? How many ships you've made GF of? Are you yet satisfied? Are you ready to come to terms with yourself, and with humanity in general, are you ready? I have a dream. I propose a "Make love not war" day in the universal sense. Yes, I'm sure you'd argue this is a worn out argument. Yes, I'm sure you will mock me for saying all this, because you are just obeying your social code of tolerance you have been taught since you were in kindergarten. But make no haste. Is that what you really want? Share my dream.. EvE Online Internet Spaceship Game with no guns.. I know its useless to ask CCP to remove all the guns in the game, since they are merely service providers, who have to serve what their customers ask for. This is the bare truth of any commercial enterprise. So instead of asking them, I ask you! Lets make tomorrow a day that will never be forgotten! I need your help here my dear brothers and sisters.. On the 18th of February, year 2009, let us all "trash" all our weaponry, so we leave a better world for our grandchildren. Let us get rid of all destructive modules of war, and let us engage in social works and peace making. 18th of February is the day you retract your corporate wars. Do mot allow any more blood to be spilled. This is the day we make peace, as a community. Hear me, and hear what your heart says. Hear what your grandchildren says. This is your chance to choose the right thing. On the 18th of February, year 2009, lets all trash all of weaponry, and start a new age in the history of EvE. I love you all..
Obermier Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:26:00 - [2] I love you too
Gottii Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:27:00 - [3] No.
Trexan	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Trexan on 17/02/2009 23:27:17 Stalking your kids because we might refer you as 'Steve' or whatever? wtf?
Eramey Svava	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:27:00 - [5] 8/10, for creativity and spelling.
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:28:00 - [6] blizzard alt
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:34:00 - [7] Yes, down with guns! Launchers and drones for everyone, and tiny flags.
Mazaron Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:34:00 - [8] Contract all the weapons to me, I'll reprocess them into carebear love
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:36:00 - [9] I hate when people say Eve like WoW
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Bonny Lee blizzard alt I am not spineless enough to post with an alt. Especially on an issue such as this, which could change the future of EvE. Kachak is my main, alive and kissing, thank you.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:40:00 - [11] 3/10, I thought this post was going to be about putting down mining lasers when kyoto was mentioned, not guns! --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 no.. you're f'ing insane.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:41:00 - [12] Stick your guns in your cargohold and come to rancer for the trashing party! Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:59:00 - [13] Do I get to keep my Falcon? ------------------------------------------------- The world is a dangerous place for stupid people; their one advantage is strength in numbers.
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:04:00 - [14] So no one is ready yet to make commitment to the peaceful future I propose? That is indeed a source of disillusionment for meself. But I am not human kind who gives up too quickly. I insist my line of thinking is provider of better life for the whole community. I do not care if I am singled out in this battel against the violence that is surrounding all of us here and there in this universe. I say, I am trashing all my gun right now. That's right. If you see me on local, and scan me down, you can be perfectly sure that I won't shoot back at you. But then again, you will have to answer when your grandkids ask you why you shot the defenseless space vessel I was flying. You see, this is a moral fight we are taking on now. You better make clear which side you're on. Thank you.
Battleclash	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Kachak Greetings.. My name is Kachak (ingame). Glad you told me that, would have never figured it out on my own. Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Kachak Greetings.. Anyways, this thought came upon me while I was making mining of asteroids. I thought like sharing with you all, and maybe some day my dream becomes a reality. It's like something you do not want to accept at first, although you know it will make you become better. You refrain, but when you finally give in, you feel lively fluids rushing up your veins and you feel more alive and you feel good. I have a dream. How many ships you've made GF of? Are you yet satisfied? Are you ready to come to terms with yourself? I have a dream. I propose a "Make love " day in the universal sense. Yes, I'm sure you'd argue this is a worn out argument. Yes, I'm sure you will mock me for saying all this, because you are just obeying your social code of tolerance you have been taught since you were in kindergarten. But make no haste. Is that what you really want? Share my dream.. This is the bare truth of any commercial enterprise. I ask you! Lets make tomorrow a day that will never be forgotten! I need your help here my dear brothers and sisters.. let us engage in social works and peace making. I love you all..
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Demitria Fernir on 18/02/2009 00:19:03 The only things that are getting buried are your corpses (ingame) that's for sure. EDIT: Plural _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence Force	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:21:00 - [18] i like this idea because i dont like pirates! gets a vote up from me! but then rancer defence force would have to find a new way of making money Also, I believe that you should join Rancer Defence Force. It's cool. Thanks leaving eve!
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:22:00 - [19] I'm having trouble determining if you're a troll or you just don't what is fun in eve so I will reply in two parts, adressing both possibilities. Troll: As creative as this post is, the idea suggested fails so much that I could not laugh... much Nub: The removal of weapons would turn EVE, which is a purposefully cold dark universe into, essentially, hello kitty online. And really what would you DO in EVE once there is no more killing. No guns means no missions, so the only carebear activity would be mining. Trade would go out the window because there would be no demand for anything besides mining modules. Even then mining would be pointless because everyone mines and noone produces anything with those minerals, so you just have a pile of useless rocks. And the fun in EVE, the PVP, would be a moot point. Removal of weapons and war would ruin eve forever. If this is what you want you are playing the wrong game, which in this case Hello Kitty online is .
Terminus Vindictus	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Kachak Greetings.. My name is Kachak (ingame). On the 18th of February, year 2009, lets all trash all of weaponry, and start a new age in the history of EvE. I love you all.. In honor of your request, I may have to wardec you and blow you out of the sky... with love =).
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:31:00 - [21] Also I should note, as a gun owner irl and in game: you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead wreckage
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:34:00 - [22] This not exactly fair.. This not the reception I had in my drea to be honest. Have you all gone cold in heart? I know most of you have, but there still gotta be some peaceful mind souls I can resonate with. None left? Why? =(
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:34:00 - [23] A+ thread, would read again _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Kachak This not exactly fair.. This not the reception I had in my drea to be honest. Have you all gone cold in heart? I know most of you have, but there still gotta be some peaceful mind souls I can resonate with. None left? Why? =( These are EVE players, we play this game because our success means others failure, and our joy means sweet sweet tears of another.
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:42:00 - [25] I too, say 'NO!' to violence. From this day henceforwardforth I will mine peaceably, with love in my heart, and goodwill to all.
Hana Lena Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Kachak OP's first post People like you utterly FAIL at this game and RL. People are NOT fundamentally good there are people that hate you for no reason there are people that want to kill you for no reason there are people who are rased from birth being taught by there religon to kill. As a matter of fact I may be one of them. This "Dream" of yours is pointless violence is a good thing its what we turn to when nothing else works there is beauty in destruction just as in creation it is the balance between the two that you don't want to accept. TO FETHING BAD. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING!
Biolaja Tista Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:04:00 - [27] _________________
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:10:00 - [28] Bad troll. No. smacks with rolled up newspaper. You haven't paid your trolling dues and membership fees. You are not allowed to troll until they're paid. See holds up laminated card, it's got to be official otherwise you're just some jerkoff. Now. I feel pity. Not simple head shaking, but gut wrenching pity for those who believe that not fighting or disarming good people will lead to peace. Because it never has and never will so long as we remain sentient beings with free will. Strife is not something to be held in either contempt or glory. It destroys innocents and shatters lives regardless of motive. But it is also the only way we as a species can move forward in every aspect of our lives. It is a tool, nothing more and nothing less. As for gun ownership, if you think taking guns from the people and giving it to a few groups with the 'check' of the pen alone then you truly are a fool. It may be an oft used (and misused) phrase. But when you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have them. So go on. I dare you; go look up the number of causualties by legally owned guns and estimated prevented crimes and then go look up the number of people killed by food poisoning, preventable disease, household accidents or pretty much anything. At the heart of hearts on the issue, guns really don't kill people. People do. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:11:00 - [29] yep all mass in one place with out guns so i can make a makeshift DD using battleships :) This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
Hana Lena Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Element 22 At the heart of hearts on the issue, guns really don't kill people. People do. "I didn't kill him the bullets and the fall killed him." _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING!
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Hana Lena Originally by: Element 22 At the heart of hearts on the issue, guns really don't kill people. People do. "I didn't kill him the bullets and the fall killed him." In ~~Soviet~~ Federational Russia you fall down elevator shaft onto bullets after double tapping your self in back of head! Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:21:00 - [32] Screw your pacifistic dead end (literally) vision. Quote: you feel lively fluids rushing up This is now about hawt EVE sex.
Jorge Deteis	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Kachak I have a dream. Let's bury all the weapons in the EvE universe. Where?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Jorge Deteis Originally by: Kachak I have a dream. Let's bury all the weapons in the EvE universe. Where? At the eve cemetery with all the corpse of course
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:50:00 - [35] This thread reminds me of that cult that hangs around stations preaching peace and remote repping people.
Eramey Svava	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Kachak So no one is ready yet to make commitment to the peaceful future I propose? That is indeed a source of disillusionment for meself. But I am not human kind who gives up too quickly. I insist my line of thinking is provider of better life for the whole community. I do not care if I am singled out in this battel against the violence that is surrounding all of us here and there in this universe. I say, I am trashing all my gun right now. That's right. If you see me on local, and scan me down, you can be perfectly sure that I won't shoot back at you. But then again, you will have to answer when your grandkids ask you why you shot the defenseless space vessel I was flying. You see, this is a moral fight we are taking on now. You better make clear which side you're on. Thank you. I'm going to do this the cold and brutal wayùie no sugarcoating. But here it goes. 1. EVE was designed to be a violent place. CCP intended it to be dark, disturbing, and chaotic. It's meant to be intense. CCP does not give you back your stuff when you're ganked by a pirate, they do not hold your hand as you learn. ISK that is stolen from your corporate wallet is stolen for good. etc. I'm sorry, but the "dream" you are considering is no more realistic in EVE than it is in war-torn Africa. And it's even harder IMO, because the mechanics of EVE was meant to attract wars, double-crossing, spying, and scamming. It's the ultimate Machiavellian simulator. 2. The greater part of EVE, aside from those of us who mine, trade, or run missions, is the part that consists of four (or so) major powerblocs in 0.0 space who seek nothing more than to hold onto their current power base and tear the other three down so they can take over their space as well. And if highsec wasn't so restrictive in terms of sovereignty and CONCORD, they'd take over that too. GoonSwarm tried to do it indirectly with Jihadswarmùand funnily enough, the pain they inflicted on every carebear who was targeted by their empire-wide gankfest was nothing more than an economic war-blitz aimed at starving BOB (now referred to as KenZoku). They could care less about the miners. They just wanted to kill BOB. Just look at the Chinese serverùwe're lucky to have four powerblocs. On Serenity, they have oneùjust oneùand it controls all of 0.0 space. EVE is not just a Machiavellian simulator, its an exercise in Hobbesian politics. 3. Anonymity breeds immorality. Learn this lesson quickly. There's a beautiful Penny Arcade comic that states this thus (in picture form): Normal "Moral" Person + Audience + Anonymity = A Complete Jerk. In RL, we have faces that can't change and criminal records that follow us around. In EVE, we have altsùalts upon alts upon alts, and there's no way to give a pirate what he deserves aside from playing him at his own game and doing it better. Is it the nature of humanity to be immoral? Personally, I don't think so. I think we're both good and evil at the same time. But the virtualization of our identity's apparently doesn't bode well for our ethics, as people often believe EVE is "just a game", thus they can "do whatever they want"ùregardless of what you, other people, or even their own conscience might tell them. 4. Killing is not only fun, it's economic. And it makes ISK. If people trash their guns, CCP might as well kill off missions, belt ratting, PVP in general, and extend 1.0 security space all the way to Delve. Reprocessors will have nothing to reprocess, trading in Meta 0-4 modules will come to a screeching halt, inventors won't have any decryptors, and there will be no more rigs because there will be no wrecks to salvage. 75% of the EVE economy will fall over dead, and everyone will be flying Tech 1-fitted Battleships with Mining lasers in the high slots. Not only that, but CCP will lose subscriptions because fighting is fun and it takes the aggression out. Killing is not virtually economic, its real-life economic as well. (continuedà)
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:23:00 - [37] Well, it was more entertaining than another elitist whine about game mechanics...
Eramey Svava	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:23:00 - [38] If you truly are not a troll, then you have seriously had this dream on a whim and you didn't consider the ramifications of it for EVE, other players, or even yourself, nor how it would become a reality. If you stopped and thought for a moment about what you're saying, you might begin to realize how kooky it sounds to the majority of the playerbase here. Now, here's the thingùI agree with you. There is a lot that goes on in EVE that is sick, dirty, disgusting, and reaches over from the world of virtual-life to manipulate your real life. Consider GoonSwarm disbanding the BOB alliance. BOB was a force built over years of work on behalf of countless people, been beaten back and been revived time and time again as a bastion ofùwell, whatever they were a bastion of to begin with. To be honest I don't think they're better than any other powerbloc. Thinking that any human in this game is more moral than another is an exercise in disillusionmentùsimilar to real life as well. So it is with all the powerblocs. But how does BOB go out? A disgruntled director decides to betray the whole organization and its playerbase, disband the organization, and Goons make a fake corporation to hold the name so that the name "BOB" is nothing more than a laughingstock to the rest of the EVE playerbase, claiming that it's some sort of great victory for them. Is it underhanded? Yes. Is it victory nonetheless? Yes. And I would bet that any other alliance would do the same thing. Victory is victory, no matter how dirty it is. EVE teaches you not only how greedy people can be, but also how valuable trust actually is. To think everyone can put down their guns and work together by signing a document deeply underestimates both those human emotions/virtues/vices. EVE can, and never will be, a campside bonfire. If peace ever comes about, it will be hard fought and hard wonùharder than any victory imaginable. EVE is no less than a magnification of the universe of human relationships, with all the ickiness and beauty shoved together on a relatively microcosmic scale, multiplying it until every detail becomes shockingly clear. And I think it was intended to do just that. It's not a game. It's a social, political, and ethical experiment of massive proportions. And to think EVE can be "solved" (because I do believe violence is a form of brokenness, which is why I agree with you) just by trying to convince people through words not only underestimates EVE's complexity, it underestimates the complexity of humanity itself.
Dephar Arcarnum Amarr Brotherhood of New Eden	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:29:00 - [39] Your either the worst troll ever or God to all carebears, how about going outside to the world and telling them to lay down there arms? it doesnt happen and I dont expect or want it too on eve
Bestofworst Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:41:00 - [40] First impression: Yes, everyone put down their weapons so I can use the 18th to gank every single vessel I can find and loot its wreckage. Also: There's nothing better than to watch a swarm of drowns fly around a ship, the sound of Amarring lasers shooting into the hull of some unlucky soul. And the light show made by explosion upon explosion via missiles. Friends, I like war.. I love war. One does not simply warp through Rancer...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.18 12:57:00 - [41] Posting in a "got bored during extra long downtime and ate all my Es" thread.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.18 12:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Kachak How many ships have you lost? 4! No wait...one sunk in the swamp...5! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Battleclash	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Bestofworst There's nothing better than to watch a swarm of drowns fly around a ship, You found out your drones couldn't swim either eh. Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
the Entity testicular Fortitude Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:20:00 - [44] 8.5/10 - how so many people can get so worked up is hilarious Originally by: Acama Asante so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
Anilusion Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:29:00 - [45] Worked up people?! WHERE?!
Mihali	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:32:00 - [46] Epic Fail & LOL. Peace in a spaceship let's conquer the universe MMO Let all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:53:00 - [47] WHO DOESN't know KACHAK?!! I AGREE COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL GUNS. all guns, laser, hybrid, everything. ALL GUNS GONE. .............. *Gets his Drake out fitted with his beautiful HAMS and brings judgement on the gallante noobs that have spread across the galaxy at an un-controlled rate.
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:30:00 - [48] But but but, these guns compensate for my lack of e-peen
DaxSnake	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:32:00 - [49] Edited by: DaxSnake on 18/02/2009 14:32:57 Originally by: Kachak Greetings.. My name is Kachak (ingame). I perefer not to tell you my IRL name since I do not have enough trust in multiplayer saceship games. I do not want you stalking my kids, to be honest. pshh, you should know your safe here Pedophiles and psychotic stalkers are on myspace not eve =] cleans fresh blood off axe o_O
Suneai Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:41:00 - [50] Humanity wasn't included in the cloning procedure.
Korerin Mayul	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:51:00 - [51] tbh, i spend enough time being non-violent and passive in real life.. that being said, ill switch to mining for the rest of the evening in the intrest of givving peas a chance.
Morlar	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:18:00 - [52] To top it all off, Kyoto is a load of crap as well, a response to a non-crisis that isn't mankind's fault. So it's appropriate that your hippie nonsense use it as an example.
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:20:00 - [53] Kachak, I understand what you are saying and I wholly support your drive for galactic peace. However some part of me cries out over the fact Concord and Navy Police would alone hold all the power over us, their demi-Gods. This cannot be allowed to happen, to lose our sovereignty over individual rights, perhaps forever. And what also, pray tell, will happen when a few morally crooked pod pilots keep their guns? Shall they reign terror upon us all? No, I'm afraid unless the peace is anonymous across all of new eden, your revolutionary vision will never occur.
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:21:00 - [54] The OP never said anything about Drones. Weapons? Yes. Guns? Lots of times. Drones? No. BIG hint there people. (For the nitpickers out there, a Drone is not a weapon. A car is not a weapon, yet I can use one as such. Same applies to the Drones. They are multipurpose tools.)

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