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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
473
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:41:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:You know, it is possible that the prices might go up exposing the market to a wider audience.
wut I have more space likes than you.-á |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
240
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:42:00 -
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Buy all on contract and sell at 1.5x the price on the market
Now, was it really THAT difficult? |

Whitehound
199
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:43:00 -
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I understand why someone can want to keep a profession, because it required a lot of talent and experience to do it. I do not see anything like this being at risk here. Contract trading takes very little to get into and it is not really dead either.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1287
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:56:00 -
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I like this change for purely selfish reasons.
I have a big pile of faction crap that I couldn't be bothered to put on a couple of hundred contracts. Lot's of COSMOS stuff as well.
It will be a real treat to just dump this on the market and get it out of my hanger, finally.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1754
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:59:00 -
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I think it's a bit of a bogus change.
At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.
Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
240
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:01:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think it's a bit of a bogus change.
At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.
Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.
But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts.
Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :)
It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier.
AND it also lowers chat contract link spam. |

Cavel Avada
Jericho Faction Rising Phoenix Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:03:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Quote:Agents & Missions
Agents' showinfo windows will now properly explain the minimum standings requirements needed to use them. As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the explaining minimum standings mini-profession with the latest patch. Most minimum standings requirements are now available on the showinfo windows, with predictable consequences (nobody asks what the minimum standings for an agent are anymore). In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as explaining minimum standing is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting chat (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with informed newbies, lack of standings questions and other wonderful showinfo innovations. I did not play that game since 2007 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now. The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring. Relatively few people explained minimum standings, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in EMSD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The standings explainers got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next. Sad day.
:Slowclap: Impressive sir.
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
236
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:27:00 -
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1. These changes were known about for a long time. You could of stocked up on cheap objects that would eventually get expensive with today's update.
2. All it means is that you will have to change the way you play the markets. If anything you should be happy, suddenly things are different around here. |

Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:30:00 -
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When I created this character, I did so with the goal of getting a perfect refine on Meta 0 mission loot which I'd buy, refine and sell the minerals. Then they announced that Meta 0 and drone poo wouldn't drop anymore.
My level of butthurt: 0%
I adapt and find new ways to make money. |

Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
54
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:35:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote: One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.
there's a Tshirt for that Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE.-á Check out the G-Doc list at http://bit.ly/wdatt or the Eve-áforum post at http://bit.ly/I56ebm |

Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
35
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:43:00 -
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Ellie McAmber wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:
TL:DR "I can't make as much money anymore because now the free market controls prices."
I think you don't entirely understand what "free market" means. Well it has been long time coming. The faction ship introduction to the market shoul have been a hint. But I do agree with you now it is not about business but market bots. I totally do not get the role play factor behind the decision to have elite military grade and outlaw grade equipment readily available on the open market. Just fells wrong on so many levels. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1754
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:45:00 -
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Miilla wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think it's a bit of a bogus change.
At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.
Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.
But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts. Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :) It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier. AND it also lowers chat contract link spam. The Regional Market History or Quantity List doesn't inform players where a specific item with the lowest price is located within the Eve Universe. That can be done through a 3rd party application but it's time consuming and inaccurate.
Regional blindness places a large disadvantage upon the consumer, especially when pertaining to these special high level items. The old contract system provided a universal price index for these items which could be easily reviewed and compared with others from anywhere within the Eve Universe.
As for contracts spamming the chat channels, that can easily be fixed just like how the isk sellers are dealt with. Sorry, I still look at this change as another fail move by CCP.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
444
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:50:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You can't say "In before" for anything if you are the OP. That is just stupid.
If you are quitting market trading because of this then you were doing it wrong to begin with. But...good luck to ya. HTFU and adapt or die!
looks like the OP is choosing die as she/he's quitting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:51:00 -
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This is a fantastic change and I'm sorry it pissed on you and a handful of people but the benefits in this case, are huge.
Regional price diversity. No longer will prices be set by a universal wide contract system; we might even see some of the current "barely worth it" LP items becoming worthwhile again
Visibility. Does a newbie search for a Coreli C-Type Thermal Plate? Of course fecking not. Now though they can just open the market and see this module right there, they are pretty cheap and not a bad idea in some cases on dessies and the like.
More intra-regional trading opportunities. Chances are Coreli will be cheap in Gallente, and Gistii in Minmatar, let the trade runs commence.
Sorry you got pissed on, but in this case, its for the greater good. I'll be joining the FDU on May 1st.-á Ladies! Please contain yourselves.
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
204
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:56:00 -
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I used to be a contract trader, until I discovered Smirnoff. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |

Garibaldi Sinatra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:59:00 -
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Prostitution is the oldest and most respected profession in the known Universe !! Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time.-á(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless) |

Sid Hudgens
21
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:59:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:When I created this character, I did so with the goal of getting a perfect refine on Meta 0 mission loot which I'd buy, refine and sell the minerals. Then they announced that Meta 0 and drone poo wouldn't drop anymore.
My level of butthurt: 0%
I adapt and find new ways to make money.
This.
I just finished training an alt for scrapmetal processing 4 not even a month before I heard about this change.
Truth be told I'm a little butthurt about it too. But I'll get over it. Life (and EVE) marches ever onward. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
31
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:02:00 -
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i keep hearing the blah Mini blah blah scam blah blah contract profession. grow up kid and learn to adapt or get left behind |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
241
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:04:00 -
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Which has the higher Fee? Contracts or Market? Maybe its a stealth way to take more isk out of the game via fees?
On contract people where avoiding high fees by either private or auction and same price buy out as bidding.
Ofcourse, you can still use contracts if you want to. Now you have 2 places to sell the stuff. |

Brannsy
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
30
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:07:00 -
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My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
241
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:13:00 -
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Brannsy wrote:My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.
You can still use contracts. Nobody is stopping you. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1755
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:15:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:This is a fantastic change and I'm sorry it pissed on you and a handful of people but the benefits in this case, are huge.
Regional price diversity. No longer will prices be set by a universal wide contract system; we might even see some of the current "barely worth it" LP items becoming worthwhile again
Visibility. Does a newbie search for a Coreli C-Type Thermal Plate? Of course fecking not. Now though they can just open the market and see this module right there, they are pretty cheap and not a bad idea in some cases on dessies and the like.
More intra-regional trading opportunities. Chances are Coreli will be cheap in Gallente, and Gistii in Minmatar, let the trade runs commence.
Sorry you got pissed on, but in this case, its for the greater good.
Regional price diversity? Oh, you mean create an even larger price difference for the exact same item from one regional market to the next.
Sorry, but yes most new players already know about Faction and Deadspace modules. They just can't buy them due to the pricing which is how it should be.
What I see you actually saying is that this is an excellent move by CCP to give Suicide Gankers more targets filled with juicy loot. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1651
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:15:00 -
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Brannsy wrote:My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.
You know, if someone does -.01 ISK you that only means his sells first... it doesn't mean that yours won't sell at all. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Kobal81
Awesome Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:16:00 -
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Conferming, one less scammer has left the game  |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
241
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:18:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Brannsy wrote:My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though. You know, if someone does -.01 ISK you that only means his sells first... it doesn't mean that yours won't sell at all.
Indeed, and the more you price war, the lower it goes.
Patience is a virtue, OP has neither. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
241
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:20:00 -
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The next expansion should be called "DRAMA" because this game is full of drama queens.
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Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:33:00 -
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Bah, contracts won't disappear. There's still too many things you can only get in that manner - such as rigged and/or fitted ships, BPCs, researched BPOs, and varied collections of merchandise just to name some.
On top of that, while the amount of items being contracted will decrease with especially the lower-end faction and deadspace mods moving to the regular regional markets, the higher-end stuff should still appear regularly via contracts. The market for such items is far more limited because of price, and sellers will want to attract the widest possible attention to such wares. That can only come via the contracts market.
So rumours of its demise are, I believe, quite exaggerated. |

Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
177
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:57:00 -
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For high-value items, contracts are STILL the place to go,a s amrket ONLY allows you to see and purchase on a per-region elvel, wheras while you still must be in the same region to accept a contract, you cna at elast6 see where items are availabel that are fo the rarer variety if they ar enot in your trade hub. |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
327
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:23:00 -
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Miilla wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think it's a bit of a bogus change.
At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.
Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.
But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts. Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :) It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier. AND it also lowers chat contract link spam.
I wish I could like this response more then one time.
Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
289
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:30:00 -
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Quote:CCP killed my mini-profession today. Is yours next?
My mini-profession is finding the most efficient ways of forcibly taking money from rich carebears. As such, it is constantly evolving, and growing in profits at a steady clip. |
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