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Bethulsunamen Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:56:00 - [1] Yes? Lets throw away the comedy-answer that some people just wants to waste money, or are dirty rich. For any real purpose, its just pointless.. Why would you mount three 25 million isk rigs to a Punisher, or even an Omen? Especially for newer players, its pointless. Even the lesser rigs that only require that rank 1 skill at lvl 1, still costs millions. I suggest the addition of frigate/cruiser/battleship categorized rigs. Possibly leave the ones in now as they are, but "downsize" them and make copies for cruisers and frigates. Cheaper, but only fits on their respective class of ships.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Bethulsunamen I suggest the addition of frigate/cruiser/battleship categorized rigs. Already in development. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GÇª you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:59:00 - [3] If you don't need t2 ship bonuses you can use a t1 ship and have better use of it due to an extra rig slot.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Public Funded War Targets	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:00:00 - [4] EVE = freedom of action. You can spend your money anyway you want, even pimping T1 frigs.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:07:00 - [5] looks at his 80mil Augoror You don't touch it! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Na'Thuul Caldari Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:09:00 - [6] <3 my 200m rigged Worm ---
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:09:00 - [7] If you make the rigs yourself, it doesn't cost anything.. problem solved! ---------------------------
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:10:00 - [8] I love my 61b Aeon. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Na'Thuul Caldari Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:11:00 - [9] That's just like saying minerals you have mined yourself are free... ---
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/02/2009 10:14:05 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/02/2009 10:13:36 Originally by: Demitria Fernir I love my 61b Aeon. I believe you are now taking this topic off-topic due to the fact that you mentioned a mothership when the thread title clearly state t1 frigs and cruisers. But anyway, if people want to rig t1 frigs and cruisers, why shouldn't they? Shouldn't take the rig slots off them because you don't have the isk to spare to throw some rigs on a t1 frig or cruiser or would have no reason to. Originally by: Na'Thuul That's just like saying minerals you have mined yourself are free... Well if you think about it, yes. You don't spend any isk (apart from getting the ship and mods) to mine those mins, unless your in low-sec and you pay someone to let you mine there. ---------------------------

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Bethulsunamen Yes? Lets throw away the comedy-answer that some people just wants to waste money, or are dirty rich. Its always been my modus operandi tbh. Used a Daredevil with shield resist rigs to awesome effect in Fw or a trimarked harb for gank squads or drone damage augmentors on a sniping vexor or any other number of ultra niche fits. Just depends on what you plan to use the rigged ship for is all to make a value judgement call. Saying that size dependant rigs at a lower cost for the cruiser and frigates wouldn't bother me a bit. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Celeritas 5k Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:16:00 - [12] Resist rigs are pretty cheap... - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Na'Thuul Caldari Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Leviathan9 Originally by: Na'Thuul That's just like saying minerals you have mined yourself are free... Well if you think about it, yes. You don't spend any isk (apart from getting the ship and mods) to mine those mins, unless your in low-sec and you pay someone to let you mine there. Well, if you think about it, no. As the minerals still have the same value. 1 million units of trit are still worth 3.5-4 million even if you mined them yourself. The same goes for salvage. Not to mention the time spent mining them could have been used making money doing missions, ratting, trading etc etc. So the question then becomes. Say it would take you 5 hours to mine all the minerals needed for a Battleship. Then compare that to how much money you could make running lvl4 missions for those 5 hours. Would getting the "free" minerals, or just running missions and buying the ship be more worthwile? ---
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Leviathan9 Well if you think about it, yes. You don't spend any isk (apart from getting the ship and mods) to mine those mins, unless your in low-sec and you pay someone to let you mine there. Just because you don't spend any ISK doesn't make it free. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GÇª you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Leviathan9 Well if you think about it, yes. You don't spend any isk (apart from getting the ship and mods) to mine those mins, unless your in low-sec and you pay someone to let you mine there. Just because you don't spend any ISK doesn't make it free. I will be suing this thread as a reference when next person says "mission bounties should be removed" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Khyle Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Khyle on 23/02/2009 10:34:02 Originally by: Leviathan9 If you make the rigs yourself, it doesn't cost anything.. problem solved! Others have already answered, but let me add the following. The keyphrase is cost of opportunity. So lets say you built the rig yourself from materials you obtained yourself, or lets even say it just fell from the sky. Now you have option a) Install the rig in a ship b) sell it on the market for e.g. 20M isk Option a) costs you 20M isk, cause it leaves you with 20M less isk than option b). No matter how you aquire stuff, using that stuff (for ships, production) always costs you the market price of said stuff, cause thats would you would make by simply selling it. Cost of opportunity applies, as already stated by previous posters, to all resources, including your time. But as this is a game after all, some people enjoy doing some things more than others, so not making the optimal isk/h is sometimes acceptable.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Bethulsunamen For any real purpose, its just pointless.. Why would you mount three 25 million isk rigs to a Punisher, or even an Omen? Which rig costs 25M that might be of value on the example Punisher or Omen? Trimarks perhaps? Then yes, it's for the stupidly rich. Now use a scan-res, gun rig or similar rig on the same boats and they get a lot of purpose at relatively low cost. No one is forcing anyone to fill every slot on the fitting screen, nor is it a requirement to be successful in space. /me goes back to stroking the metastasis rigs on her Omen.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Bethulsunamen Yes? Lets throw away the comedy-answer that some people just wants to waste money, or are dirty rich. For any real purpose, its just pointless.. Why would you mount three 25 million isk rigs to a Punisher, or even an Omen? Especially for newer players, its pointless. Even the lesser rigs that only require that rank 1 skill at lvl 1, still costs millions. I suggest the addition of frigate/cruiser/battleship categorized rigs. Possibly leave the ones in now as they are, but "downsize" them and make copies for cruisers and frigates. Cheaper, but only fits on their respective class of ships. A small number of T1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers have capability that aren't reflected in the T2 version and in some situation it is worth to rig them while putting the same rig on a T2 ship would be a waste. For example: - salvaging rigs on a destroyer; - expanders on a Exequror for a roomy cargo cruiser.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:06:00 - [19] Plenty of cheap rigs available, don't see the point in this topic. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Laiyna	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:07:00 - [20] To fly small tournements with it... Standard Rules I fly is: t1 cruiser or t2 frigates (no ecm). Flying a Vexor with 3 mid slots, using ccc rings to keep them free for other nice goodies. (3x ccc rig = perma run t2 medium armor repair). Insta pownage most ships :) Laiyna

TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:10:00 - [21] Shield resist rigs and weapon damage rigs are cheap at 5mil each. Easy to pop them in to small ships like these.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:11:00 - [22] I like installing Hybrid weapon rigs on my Thorax for more gankage.
testalus rima Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:52:00 - [23] Edited by: testalus rima on 23/02/2009 11:52:42 a list of my rigged t1 ships. they all are secondary ships multible times in my asset...some of them are corp shared. exequror - a good loot/salvage cruiser for mission runners - salvage rigged catalyst - a good ninja salvage dd - salvage and cargo rigged navitas - a nice miner/industrial assist ship, quick and some cargo with out skilling cruiser - cargo rigged myrmidon - cheap tanking hacking bc - hacking riggs ...and many more cheap ships spread out over new eden.. hangars for frighters asset and map
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:07:00 - [24] But without rigs on them, we wouldn't have these kinds of kills.... ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Thenoran But without rigs on them, we wouldn't have these kinds of kills.... rigging one of best cruisers is bad yes ?:D 60D GTC - shattared link
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Thenoran But without rigs on them, we wouldn't have these kinds of kills.... Rigging one of the best cruisers with rigs that cost 4m each? Hell, Full T2 fit and you've already blown the insurance cost, what's wrong with rigging cheaply? --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Originally by: Thenoran But without rigs on them, we wouldn't have these kinds of kills.... Rigging one of the best cruisers with rigs that cost 4m each? Hell, Full T2 fit and you've already blown the insurance cost, what's wrong with rigging cheaply? Armor resist rigs are 20m each, only shield resist rigs are cheap ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Grarr Dexx Amarr Divinity's Edge	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:08:00 - [28] More like 25 nowadays, I'm just saving my salvage cause armor rigs are rising out of control.
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Bethulsunamen Yes? Lets throw away the comedy-answer that some people just wants to waste money, or are dirty rich. For any real purpose, its just pointless.. Why would you mount three 25 million isk rigs to a Punisher, or even an Omen? Especially for newer players, its pointless. Even the lesser rigs that only require that rank 1 skill at lvl 1, still costs millions. I suggest the addition of frigate/cruiser/battleship categorized rigs. Possibly leave the ones in now as they are, but "downsize" them and make copies for cruisers and frigates. Cheaper, but only fits on their respective class of ships. Heh....I had a rifter worth around 90 mil (2x SCMCs 1 x CC) that a guy in local sold me cheapo. I bought it for a laugh to see what it could do since 50 mil is only a couple of days ninja salvaging. It was frankly quite awesome and could pretty much perma run the SAR. Of course this lead to me getting too **y and losing it very quickly to a moa/thorax tag team I'd say it's not really worth it apart from once for the lulz but if CCP bring in frig sized rigs....I'll be all over them. well mannered ah***
n00b alt3 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Leviathan9 If you make the rigs yourself, it doesn't cost anything.. problem solved! i guess if your time is free...



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