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mercyonman
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it.
So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality.
And what exactly does that have to do with anything?
1) This is about gaming, not religion. Whatever issues religious nutcases might have about sex, most game communities I've seen have no problem discussing heterosexual sex. By the standards of your average game community, simply declaring one's sexual preference in a profile isn't even close to offensive.
2) The quoted post referred to being hit on, not having to explain how sex works. If he's going to get offended if a man hits on him, he'd better be equally offended if he hits on a woman and she's not interested. But you know, something tells me he isn't.
its not entirely the same bud trust me.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it.
So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality.
And what exactly does that have to do with anything?
1) This is about gaming, not religion. Whatever issues religious nutcases might have about sex, most game communities I've seen have no problem discussing heterosexual sex. By the standards of your average game community, simply declaring one's sexual preference in a profile isn't even close to offensive.
2) The quoted post referred to being hit on, not having to explain how sex works. If he's going to get offended if a man hits on him, he'd better be equally offended if he hits on a woman and she's not interested. But you know, something tells me he isn't.
Going back I misread your post somewhat and I assumed you were talking about a supposed lack of controversy over talking about heterosexual sex in general so I apologize for the tone of my comment.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: mercyonman
its xbox live bud its completely different then eve. the people are toatally different
And what does that have to do with anything? I understand xbox live is a bunch of immature morons, but in my experience, immature morons tend to be even more offensively sexual.
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and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off.
Ah yes, aren't wild speculation and "blame the victim" games fun? I guess it's easier to be an offensive bigot if you can make bull**** assumptions to justify your behavior.
And I fail to see how "I like women" is smacktalk. Usually the goal of smacktalk is to insult your opponent, and last time I checked, talking about your own sexual preferences doesn't really do that very effectively.
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and in no way is that stereotype so stfu
Sorry, but you're a ****ing idiot. Those comments you posted are massive (and completely unjustified) stereotypes, and the fact that you think they aren't just reveals that you're "I'm not a homophobe" denial is pure bull****.
Originally by: mercyonman
its not entirely the same bud trust me.
Then please, tell me how it is so different.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.02.26 06:01:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 26/02/2009 06:03:33
So don't say you are gay or straight? It's not that hard. Microsofts servers are not public domain, play by their rules or cry like a little baby. You don't have freedom of speech or expression.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.02.26 06:03:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Toldos Leafkicker
Originally by: mercyonman
also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right?
I just told my neutered cat that he was utterly and completely useless. Sad cat is sad.
You will be sad when you wake up and he is sleeping on your face.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.02.26 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nebulous on 26/02/2009 06:31:41
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
http://consumerist.com/5160187/identifying-yourself-as-a-lesbian-gets-you-banned-on-xbox-live
Do I have to say anything, considering I just hyperlinked that?
WHAT. THE. ****. My hatred for M$ has now risen to that of Apple.
I'm waiting for MS to get sued, or for a mainstream media to pick this up.
This is a LIE!! I was playing Streetfighter 4 with someone from the island of l*sbos just the other day, I also play XBOX live with "happy" people on a daily basis.
If anyone should get sued it should be the media for it's constant misuse of certain words, instead of just saying what it really is..... homosexual.
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.26 06:44:00 -
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Please, like anyone is happy when they play on Live.
On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 07:04:00 -
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When she appealed to Microsoft, she says they told her that other gamers found her sexual orientation "offensive."
Offensive?
OFFENSIVE?
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S ****ING OFFENSIVE...
... despicable.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.02.26 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game?
The problem is that people should not be discriminated against because they have divulged their sexual orientation (or religion). If someone is offended, that's their fault (well, probably their parent's fault) for being bigots.
Politics isn't covered under (UK) anti-discrimination laws.
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mercyonman
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: mercyonman
its xbox live bud its completely different then eve. the people are toatally different
And what does that have to do with anything? I understand xbox live is a bunch of immature morons, but in my experience, immature morons tend to be even more offensively sexual.
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and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off.
Ah yes, aren't wild speculation and "blame the victim" games fun? I guess it's easier to be an offensive bigot if you can make bull**** assumptions to justify your behavior.
And I fail to see how "I like women" is smacktalk. Usually the goal of smacktalk is to insult your opponent, and last time I checked, talking about your own sexual preferences doesn't really do that very effectively.
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and in no way is that stereotype so stfu
Sorry, but you're a ****ing idiot. Those comments you posted are massive (and completely unjustified) stereotypes, and the fact that you think they aren't just reveals that you're "I'm not a homophobe" denial is pure bull****.
Originally by: mercyonman
its not entirely the same bud trust me.
Then please, tell me how it is so different.
ok first to start when i mean by sterotyping i didnt mean EVERYTHING i said was that but i meant the "and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off."
but go on halo 3 and in those games its the worst on there or call of duty 4
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:58:00 -
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Hmmm....a controversial action by Microsoft then. Not the first and won't be the last. It seems a bit heavy handed to me, banning people over their gamertag which isn't particularly offensive or vulgar. I can understand banning the use of gamertags where they do nothing but incite tension or hatred because of a political, racial, etc implication.
All the same, sexual orientation does not IMO need to be in a gamertag. Though inoffensive, it simply doesn't belong there really, and Microsoft are entitled to run the Live! service how they choose. It's the company's call to make, and they made it based on decisions by policy makers. It's not "discrimination" by any stretch though I can understand why it can be seen as controversial.
And at a risk of sounding very much like something Akita T might say...whether or not someone is homesexual, if someone is offended, or feels persecuted because of the ban...get over yourselves FFS. The same goes for anyone who is offended by the homosexual references in the gamertags in the first place. To the former, just pick a new username and get on with it, stop being cry babies. You aren't being persecuted, you're just getting told to pick new usernames because the homosexual references in your old one are now considered inappropriate. Nothing more sinister than that. It is a bit of an overreaction by MS, but it's their call to make.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: mercyonman
ok first to start when i mean by sterotyping i didnt mean EVERYTHING i said was that but i meant the "and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off."
but go on halo 3 and in those games its the worst on there or call of duty 4
I'm not quite sure I parsed that, but are you suggesting that she was smacktalking someone else in the usual manner and they tried to get back at her by claiming "look she's a lesbian i'm offended b& please?"
and yeah I gave up on pretty much all other games because I got sick of listening to a bunch of high-pitched, prepubsecent spoiled brats talking and every other word out of their mouth is fsck (uncensored of course) and every third word out of their mouth is f@ggot (ditto). 
Repulsive little brats.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Persephone Starsider
Caldari
Starsider Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:14:00 -
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You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile if you don't know how hard it is to be female on xbox live and have prepubescent boys and even older guys that are moronic constantly bothering and harassing you. Her putting that in her profile was probably also a way of telling others to F*CK off and stop flirting with her.
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mingeta dong
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:19:00 -
[44]
I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt????
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EvilPhog
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:21:00 -
[45]
I, for one, welcome our new gay overlords.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:53:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Persephone Starsider
You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile
That is not the case. There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all. It's Xbox Live, not the United States Constitution. There are Terms of Service and acceptable behaviour and Microsoft ammended the former. That's it. It's not persecution or discrimination or stifling of free speech, it's a rule change. In truth, this doesn't affect me in anyway and I really don't much care about this issue. Gamers can put what they like in their profiles for all I care, but I wanted to point out that it's not a "right" like the "right to free speech" (or Americans' favourite "right to bear arms") to put what you want in your gamer profile.
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Persephone Starsider
Caldari
Starsider Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:29:00 -
[47]
Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: Persephone Starsider
You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile
That is not the case. There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all. It's Xbox Live, not the United States Constitution. There are Terms of Service and acceptable behaviour and Microsoft ammended the former. That's it. It's not persecution or discrimination or stifling of free speech, it's a rule change. In truth, this doesn't affect me in anyway and I really don't much care about this issue. Gamers can put what they like in their profiles for all I care, but I wanted to point out that it's not a "right" like the "right to free speech" (or Americans' favourite "right to bear arms") to put what you want in your gamer profile.
If that's the case than why are the teens and kids on Xbox Live allowed to constantly spew profanity and racial and sexual slurs?
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:56:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Persephone Starsider
Originally by: KingsGambit
There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all.
If that's the case than why are the teens and kids on Xbox Live allowed to constantly spew profanity and racial and sexual slurs?
The two aren't related whatsoever. Technically speaking though, for one thing it's harder, if not impossible, to monitor and/or prove what someone says over voicechat as opposed to what they type and save into their profile. I don't think it's a case of them being *allowed* to be so rude, just that there's no real way to prevent it or it would be.
But as for why...a combination of parents bringing up disrespectful punks for children, the "anonymity" of the Internet and natural selection being too slow to breed out the genetic dregs they're made from.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:59:00 -
[49]
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I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt????
[stereotype]A girl on X-Box Live who feels the need to tell the interweb she's gay and you think she might be hot? The mind boggles![/stereotype]
It's seriously doubtful, because people who are secure in themselves generally don't feel the need to publicise any aspect of their life.
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Free Collective
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:12:00 -
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I have a question. Does free speech apply here since Microsoft is in US, especially for Xbox live? Or its just another "internet" where free speech don't matter?
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:15:00 -
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Is there a box to type this sort of thing in, on their profile?
i.e. is it a thing where there's a field to fill in
like, name, country, age, gender, etc?
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mingeta dong
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
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I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt????
[stereotype]A girl on X-Box Live who feels the need to tell the interweb she's gay and you think she might be hot? The mind boggles![/stereotype]
It's seriously doubtful, because people who are secure in themselves generally don't feel the need to publicise any aspect of their life.
I didn't want to let the thread down tbqh, and anyway:
[stereotype] everyone knows girls (Lesbian or not) on the internet are really fellas or at the very least they least look like men.[/stereotype]
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:32:00 -
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Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence.
Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence.
It's not exactly hard to spot the problem.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:34:00 -
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Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence.
Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence.
It's not exactly hard to spot the problem.
Source please? I expect both would get you a warning & ban.
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a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:37:00 -
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Well, I'm taking the liberty of applying the source given. ;) I don't need to source out specifics, especially when my arguement is that if a GLOT person says something a straight person can say, they can get banned of XBL for it. That's discrimination.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:43:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Well, I'm taking the liberty of applying the source given. ;) I don't need to source out specifics, especially when my arguement is that if a GLOT person says something a straight person can say, they can get banned of XBL for it. That's discrimination.
The mustard, it is not cut!
Please provide source of people talking about heterosexual sex on XBL, being reported over it and them not being warned/banned or it didn't happen. Anything else is individual discrimination, in that people who are breaking the ToS are not being reported.
Talking about getting laid on XBL is in principle against the TOS no matter your preference. It matters not whether you wish to give it to a man, woman or dog: it's all the same to Microsoft:
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Don't distribute, post, publish, upload, disseminate or discuss defamatory, infringing, obscene, sexual or unlawful materials
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Don't create a gamertag or motto that other users may be offended by, this includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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mingeta dong
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
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Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence.
Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence.
It's not exactly hard to spot the problem.
Source please? I expect both would get you a warning & ban.
From who? If you're in the game chat in Gears of War 2 for example I expect to be able to say whatever I like, it's got an 18 cert rating in the UK.
Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:56:00 -
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Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that.
Most roads in the UK have a speed limit, but you don't (often) see anyone policing them. Just because people aren't caught for something doesn't mean it's not against the ToS/Law.
Again I put the challenge out to you: add to your profile that you are "Rampantly Heterosexual" and see how long you last.
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a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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mingeta dong
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
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Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that.
Most roads in the UK have a speed limit, but you don't (often) see anyone policing them. Just because people aren't caught for something doesn't mean it's not against the ToS/Law.
You have to use a GATSO or other type of device to provide evidence to enforce speeding laws.
How can anyone prove you've broken the ToS on XBL through the normal use of voice comms?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:36:00 -
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What really happened:
Mods: "Your sexuality is irrelevant, please remove it from your profile. Thank you."
Lebz: "No way! Discrimination! RABBLE!"
Mods: "Sorry, but then we have to ban you. Good bye."
Lebz: "WHAAAAAAH!!! I'M GETTING PERSECUTED!!!"
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