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Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:01:00 - [1] http://consumerist.com/5160187/identifying-yourself-as-a-lesbian-gets-you-banned-on-xbox-live Do I have to say anything, considering I just hyperlinked that? WHAT. THE. **. My hatred for M$ has now risen to that of Apple. I'm waiting for MS to get sued, or for a mainstream media to pick this up. Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:14:00 - [2] Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game? I get the impression people who advertise such things are doing it to satisfy a personal need.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game? When a game allows you to add your profile to it. It's not like she had it in her gamertag.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:46:00 - [4] So, "Microsoft is unwilling to reconsider this position"? I suspect that they may be repressing their true feelings and are in denial. Quick, someone call Tom Robinson. I'm pretty sure he'd add a new verse to this as he seems wont to do these days. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Toldos Leafkicker Tenichigo Kaigun	Posted - 2009.02.25 23:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game? I get the impression people who advertise such things are doing it to satisfy a personal need. Yeah, of course they are. Same thing applies for people who post on forums. Most people can't completely disassociate themselves from their avatars, I know I can't. Bits of me spill over. -- <3
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.25 23:27:00 - [6] I like girls. There I said it, persecute me at your own peril! I podded a Scot and I liked it <-- hot smartbomb action
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.25 23:31:00 - [7] You have to remember that all Xbox live members are 13 and/or didn't stand in front of the queue when the brains were handed out. Anyone capable of dealing with those ret@rds for more than 10 seconds must be clinically insane. You HAVE to protect those people from themselves. Self-proclaimed idiot
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.25 23:33:00 - [8] As an experiment, please add either "Bisexual" or "Rampantly Heterosexual" to your profile and see how long you last. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.26 00:28:00 - [9] I'm bisexual... if I want sex I have to buy it. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.26 00:50:00 - [10] Who cares, it's X-Box Live, the LiveJournal of gaming networks. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 00:56:00 - [11] well, to start off im not a homophobe i do not FEAR homosexuals nor do i HATE them. they just get on my nerves when: they hit on me they try to make it seem like they are the best things since refrigerators they complain ***** and moan about people who dislike them. also to add she probably wanted attention from people. and on that note this story is biased there is only one side to the story there could have been a driving force behind them going through the effort to get her banned. she probably went through the game screaming IMMA LESBIAN LOOK AT ME. I LIKE WOMEN. you never know and maybe the people just got fed up with it or they have the same reasons as me to get annoyed by it "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:02:00 - [12] also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
Toldos Leafkicker Tenichigo Kaigun	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:11:00 - [13] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? I just told my neutered cat that he was utterly and completely useless. Sad cat is sad. -- <3
Aricaan Gallente Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:12:00 - [14] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? They can have all the sex they want and never once have to worry about child support payments. Seems like a way better system to me than being straight. Wish I was a lesbian. ISK rules everything around me.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:26:00 - [15] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? lrn2/biology I podded a Scot and I liked it <-- hot smartbomb action
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? lrn2/biology what? im learning bio "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:33:00 - [17] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? And you're a danger to humanity should you happen to reproduce. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game? I get the impression people who advertise such things are doing it to satisfy a personal need. This. In all honesty, why do you (in general) feel the need to mention your sexual orientation? Think about this for a moment. What will telling complete strangers your prefrences in bed partners do for you in game? Given how even many hetrosexuals have a problem talking about sex between a man and woman talking about sex between two members of the same sex is asking for trouble. Tell you what, find a ligitimate reason that talking about sex in a video game setting is justified and not self serving. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:46:00 - [19] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? I know many gay folks who contribute to sperm banks and such like. So stop acting all politically correct. To steal a quote from someone whom i cannot recall's name; "You were once pushed head first into the world out of someone's vagina, why are you acting so dignified?" ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.26 02:06:00 - [20] Originally by: mercyonman well, to start off im not a homophobe i do not FEAR homosexuals nor do i HATE them. they just get on my nerves when: they hit on me they try to make it seem like they are the best things since refrigerators they complain ***** and moan about people who dislike them. also to add she probably wanted attention from people. and on that note this story is biased there is only one side to the story there could have been a driving force behind them going through the effort to get her banned. she probably went through the game screaming IMMA LESBIAN LOOK AT ME. I LIKE WOMEN. you never know and maybe the people just got fed up with it or they have the same reasons as me to get annoyed by it if you're offended, rather than flattered, when anyone feels attracted to you.. you should probably see a therapist. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 02:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: mercyonman well, to start off im not a homophobe i do not FEAR homosexuals nor do i HATE them. they just get on my nerves when: they hit on me they try to make it seem like they are the best things since refrigerators they complain ***** and moan about people who dislike them. also to add she probably wanted attention from people. and on that note this story is biased there is only one side to the story there could have been a driving force behind them going through the effort to get her banned. she probably went through the game screaming IMMA LESBIAN LOOK AT ME. I LIKE WOMEN. you never know and maybe the people just got fed up with it or they have the same reasons as me to get annoyed by it if you're offended, rather than flattered, when anyone feels attracted to you.. you should probably see a therapist. personal experiences cause me to be this way "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.02.26 02:19:00 - [22] Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: mercyonman well, to start off im not a homophobe i do not FEAR homosexuals nor do i HATE them. they just get on my nerves when: they hit on me they try to make it seem like they are the best things since refrigerators they complain *** and moan about people who dislike them. also to add she probably wanted attention from people. and on that note this story is biased there is only one side to the story there could have been a driving force behind them going through the effort to get her banned. she probably went through the game screaming IMMA LESBIAN LOOK AT ME. I LIKE WOMEN. you never know and maybe the people just got fed up with it or they have the same reasons as me to get annoyed by it if you're offended, rather than flattered, when anyone feels attracted to you.. you should probably see a therapist. personal experiences cause me to be this way All our personality is is a collection of personal experiences. You just answered: "Why are you drinking water?" with "Because I'm drinking water." Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Jess Pole Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.02.26 02:28:00 - [23] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? well there are over 6 billion ppl on earth overcrowding in many places starvation in others millions of children being brought up into poverty so you can hardly call people who dont reproduce failures IMO. maybe if we were going extinct or something. ___________________________________
Gin G Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.02.26 02:31:00 - [24] thats discusting but im not surprised thanks to all the PC crap these days and how can a lesbian be offencive to any cold blooded guy whoever found it offencive is ether gay or well gay so shouldnt be a hypocrit
xXTURBONEGROXx	Posted - 2009.02.26 03:26:00 - [25] lol no-one likes dykes anyway
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism.	Posted - 2009.02.26 03:40:00 - [26] Since when do you post your sexuality on gamer profiles. Quite frankly it has nothing to do with gaming... attention? origionality? People get banned for talking about sexual things or posting sexual things on their profile all the time. ...and something tells me there are multiple sides to these stories. ...at my school a friend of mine got suspended for wearing a shirt that said "straight pride" on gay pride day... ofc people were wearing gay pride shirts but thats ok... ______________________________ The Tulip is AMAZED
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.26 03:48:00 - [27] Originally by: mercyonman well, to start off im not a homophobe i do not FEAR homosexuals nor do i HATE them. they just get on my nerves when: they hit on me they try to make it seem like they are the best things since refrigerators they complain *** and moan about people who dislike them. For all your talk of "not a homophobe", you sure have no problem posting offensive (and *ing stupid) stereotypes. And sorry to disappoint you, but you have no right to expect everyone who doesn't agree with your sexual preferences to shut up and stay out of your sight. And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual* people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it. Quote: also to add she probably wanted attention from people. and on that note this story is biased there is only one side to the story there could have been a driving force behind them going through the effort to get her banned. she probably went through the game screaming IMMA LESBIAN LOOK AT ME. I LIKE WOMEN. you never know and maybe the people just got fed up with it or they have the same reasons as me to get annoyed by it Funny, but I don't see all these people running around screaming "OMG I LOVE WOMEN!!!!!!", so this must be another bull**** stereotype. In fact, I can't even think of a single incident of someone randomly saying things like that in a game. Not only that, but it doesn't make any sense, why would she would be looking for attention from someone like you, seeing as you know, she's not interested in men? Fortunately there's a simple solution here: If you don't want to read someone's profile, don't read it, just shoot them in-game and be done with it. -----------
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46 Originally by: Merin Ryskin And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it. So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46 Originally by: Merin Ryskin And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it. So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality. And what exactly does that have to do with anything? 1) This is about gaming, not religion. Whatever issues religious nutcases might have about sex, most game communities I've seen have no problem discussing heterosexual sex. By the standards of your average game community, simply declaring one's sexual preference in a profile isn't even close to offensive. 2) The quoted post referred to being hit on, not having to explain how sex works. If he's going to get offended if a man hits on him, he'd better be equally offended if he hits on a woman and she's not interested. But you know, something tells me he isn't. -----------
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Funny, but I don't see all these people running around screaming "OMG I LOVE WOMEN!!!!!!", so this must be another bull**** stereotype. In fact, I can't even think of a single incident of someone randomly saying things like that in a game. Not only that, but it doesn't make any sense, why would she would be looking for attention from someone like you, seeing as you know, she's not interested in men? Fortunately there's a simple solution here: If you don't want to read someone's profile, don't read it, just shoot them in-game and be done with it. its xbox live bud its completely different then eve. the people are toatally different and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off. and in no way is that stereotype so stfu "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46 Originally by: Merin Ryskin And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it. So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality. And what exactly does that have to do with anything? 1) This is about gaming, not religion. Whatever issues religious nutcases might have about sex, most game communities I've seen have no problem discussing heterosexual sex. By the standards of your average game community, simply declaring one's sexual preference in a profile isn't even close to offensive. 2) The quoted post referred to being hit on, not having to explain how sex works. If he's going to get offended if a man hits on him, he'd better be equally offended if he hits on a woman and she's not interested. But you know, something tells me he isn't. its not entirely the same bud trust me. "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 26/02/2009 04:01:46 Originally by: Merin Ryskin And I sense a double standard here: nobody ever complains about heterosexual people talking loudly about their sexual preferences. Or are you perfectly asexual and never hit on a woman who might not be interested in you? Never talk about women you're interested in where anyone else could hear? Somehow I doubt it. So you have never heard of issues religous groups have when talking about sex between a man or a woman or the fuss parents raise about the subject being taught as a sex ed course? For the sake of experimentation go talk to a priest/religous figure about sex and see how much song and dance they do just when it involves heterosexuality. And what exactly does that have to do with anything? 1) This is about gaming, not religion. Whatever issues religious nutcases might have about sex, most game communities I've seen have no problem discussing heterosexual sex. By the standards of your average game community, simply declaring one's sexual preference in a profile isn't even close to offensive. 2) The quoted post referred to being hit on, not having to explain how sex works. If he's going to get offended if a man hits on him, he'd better be equally offended if he hits on a woman and she's not interested. But you know, something tells me he isn't. Going back I misread your post somewhat and I assumed you were talking about a supposed lack of controversy over talking about heterosexual sex in general so I apologize for the tone of my comment. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.26 04:29:00 - [33] Originally by: mercyonman its xbox live bud its completely different then eve. the people are toatally different And what does that have to do with anything? I understand xbox live is a bunch of immature morons, but in my experience, immature morons tend to be even more offensively sexual. Quote: and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off. Ah yes, aren't wild speculation and "blame the victim" games fun? I guess it's easier to be an offensive bigot if you can make bull**** assumptions to justify your behavior. And I fail to see how "I like women" is smacktalk. Usually the goal of smacktalk is to insult your opponent, and last time I checked, talking about your own sexual preferences doesn't really do that very effectively. Quote: and in no way is that stereotype so stfu Sorry, but you're a **ing idiot. Those comments you posted are massive (and completely unjustified) stereotypes, and the fact that you think they aren't just reveals that you're "I'm not a homophobe" denial is pure bull. Originally by:** mercyonman its not entirely the same bud trust me. Then please, tell me how it is so different. -----------
Evthron Macyntire	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:01:00 - [34] Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 26/02/2009 06:03:33 So don't say you are gay or straight? It's not that hard. Microsofts servers are not public domain, play by their rules or cry like a little baby. You don't have freedom of speech or expression. edit: typo ------------------------------ Sigs like this.
Evthron Macyntire	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Toldos Leafkicker Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? I just told my neutered cat that he was utterly and completely useless. Sad cat is sad. You will be sad when you wake up and he is sleeping on your face. ------------------------------ Sigs like this.
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Zoku	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:31:00 - [36] Edited by: Nebulous on 26/02/2009 06:31:41 Originally by: Atomos Darksun http://consumerist.com/5160187/identifying-yourself-as-a-lesbian-gets-you-banned-on-xbox-live Do I have to say anything, considering I just hyperlinked that? WHAT. THE. ***. My hatred for M$ has now risen to that of Apple. I'm waiting for MS to get sued, or for a mainstream media to pick this up. This is a LIE!! I was playing Streetfighter 4 with someone from the island of lsbos just the other day, I also play XBOX live with "happy" people on a daily basis. If anyone should get sued it should be the media for it's constant misuse of certain words, instead of just saying what it really is..... homosexual. ----------------------------------------------
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:44:00 - [37] Please, like anyone is happy when they play on Live. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:04:00 - [38] Quote: When she appealed to Microsoft, she says they told her that other gamers found her sexual orientation "offensive." Offensive? OFFENSIVE? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S **ING OFFENSIVE... ... despicable. __________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Since when does anyone's real-life sexual orientation, religion or politics belong in a game? The problem is that people should not be discriminated against because they have divulged their sexual orientation (or religion). If someone is offended, that's their fault (well, probably their parent's fault) for being bigots. Politics isn't covered under (UK) anti-discrimination laws.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: mercyonman its xbox live bud its completely different then eve. the people are toatally different And what does that have to do with anything? I understand xbox live is a bunch of immature morons, but in my experience, immature morons tend to be even more offensively sexual. Quote: and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off. Ah yes, aren't wild speculation and "blame the victim" games fun? I guess it's easier to be an offensive bigot if you can make bull**** assumptions to justify your behavior. And I fail to see how "I like women" is smacktalk. Usually the goal of smacktalk is to insult your opponent, and last time I checked, talking about your own sexual preferences doesn't really do that very effectively. Quote: and in no way is that stereotype so stfu Sorry, but you're a **ing idiot. Those comments you posted are massive (and completely unjustified) stereotypes, and the fact that you think they aren't just reveals that you're "I'm not a homophobe" denial is pure bull. Originally by:** mercyonman its not entirely the same bud trust me. Then please, tell me how it is so different. ok first to start when i mean by sterotyping i didnt mean EVERYTHING i said was that but i meant the "and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off." but go on halo 3 and in those games its the worst on there or call of duty 4 "Boo hoo. Cry some more." - DEV CCP Whisper
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:58:00 - [41] Hmmm....a controversial action by Microsoft then. Not the first and won't be the last. It seems a bit heavy handed to me, banning people over their gamertag which isn't particularly offensive or vulgar. I can understand banning the use of gamertags where they do nothing but incite tension or hatred because of a political, racial, etc implication. All the same, sexual orientation does not IMO need to be in a gamertag. Though inoffensive, it simply doesn't belong there really, and Microsoft are entitled to run the Live! service how they choose. It's the company's call to make, and they made it based on decisions by policy makers. It's not "discrimination" by any stretch though I can understand why it can be seen as controversial. And at a risk of sounding very much like something Akita T might say...whether or not someone is homesexual, if someone is offended, or feels persecuted because of the ban...get over yourselves FFS. The same goes for anyone who is offended by the homosexual references in the gamertags in the first place. To the former, just pick a new username and get on with it, stop being cry babies. You aren't being persecuted, you're just getting told to pick new usernames because the homosexual references in your old one are now considered inappropriate. Nothing more sinister than that. It is a bit of an overreaction by MS, but it's their call to make. -------------
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.26 12:00:00 - [42] Originally by: mercyonman ok first to start when i mean by sterotyping i didnt mean EVERYTHING i said was that but i meant the "and im sorry that you were too stupid to realize that what i was saying was that there could have been a reason behind what the people did to get her banned. like she was insulting them in a different way IE tea bagging, smack talk yea thats what really sets people off." but go on halo 3 and in those games its the worst on there or call of duty 4 I'm not quite sure I parsed that, but are you suggesting that she was smacktalking someone else in the usual manner and they tried to get back at her by claiming "look she's a lesbian i'm offended b& please?" and yeah I gave up on pretty much all other games because I got sick of listening to a bunch of high-pitched, prepubsecent spoiled brats talking and every other word out of their mouth is fsck (uncensored of course) and every third word out of their mouth is f@ggot (ditto). Repulsive little brats. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Persephone Starsider Caldari Starsider Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 12:14:00 - [43] You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile if you don't know how hard it is to be female on xbox live and have prepubescent boys and even older guys that are moronic constantly bothering and harassing you. Her putting that in her profile was probably also a way of telling others to F*CK off and stop flirting with her.
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:19:00 - [44] I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt????
EvilPhog Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:21:00 - [45] I, for one, welcome our new gay overlords.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Persephone Starsider You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile That is not the case. There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all. It's Xbox Live, not the United States Constitution. There are Terms of Service and acceptable behaviour and Microsoft ammended the former. That's it. It's not persecution or discrimination or stifling of free speech, it's a rule change. In truth, this doesn't affect me in anyway and I really don't much care about this issue. Gamers can put what they like in their profiles for all I care, but I wanted to point out that it's not a "right" like the "right to free speech" (or Americans' favourite "right to bear arms") to put what you want in your gamer profile. -------------
Persephone Starsider Caldari Starsider Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 14:29:00 - [47] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Persephone Starsider You can't really argue against her right to put that she is a lesbian in her profile That is not the case. There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all. It's Xbox Live, not the United States Constitution. There are Terms of Service and acceptable behaviour and Microsoft ammended the former. That's it. It's not persecution or discrimination or stifling of free speech, it's a rule change. In truth, this doesn't affect me in anyway and I really don't much care about this issue. Gamers can put what they like in their profiles for all I care, but I wanted to point out that it's not a "right" like the "right to free speech" (or Americans' favourite "right to bear arms") to put what you want in your gamer profile. If that's the case than why are the teens and kids on Xbox Live allowed to constantly spew profanity and racial and sexual slurs?
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.02.26 15:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Persephone Starsider Originally by: KingsGambit There's no inalienable right for such a thing at all. If that's the case than why are the teens and kids on Xbox Live allowed to constantly spew profanity and racial and sexual slurs? The two aren't related whatsoever. Technically speaking though, for one thing it's harder, if not impossible, to monitor and/or prove what someone says over voicechat as opposed to what they type and save into their profile. I don't think it's a case of them being allowed to be so rude, just that there's no real way to prevent it or it would be. But as for why...a combination of parents bringing up disrespectful punks for children, the "anonymity" of the Internet and natural selection being too slow to breed out the genetic dregs they're made from. -------------
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.26 15:59:00 - [49] Quote: I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt???? [stereotype]A girl on X-Box Live who feels the need to tell the interweb she's gay and you think she might be hot? The mind boggles![/stereotype] It's seriously doubtful, because people who are secure in themselves generally don't feel the need to publicise any aspect of their life. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
NeoShocker Caldari Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:12:00 - [50] I have a question. Does free speech apply here since Microsoft is in US, especially for Xbox live? Or its just another "internet" where free speech don't matter? ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:15:00 - [51] Is there a box to type this sort of thing in, on their profile? i.e. is it a thing where there's a field to fill in like, name, country, age, gender, etc? Yes. Yes, I am.
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Quote: I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt???? [stereotype]A girl on X-Box Live who feels the need to tell the interweb she's gay and you think she might be hot? The mind boggles![/stereotype] It's seriously doubtful, because people who are secure in themselves generally don't feel the need to publicise any aspect of their life. I didn't want to let the thread down tbqh, and anyway: [stereotype] everyone knows girls (Lesbian or not) on the internet are really fellas or at the very least they least look like men.[/stereotype]
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:32:00 - [53] Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence. Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence. It's not exactly hard to spot the problem. ________________________________________________
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:34:00 - [54] Quote: Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence. Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence. It's not exactly hard to spot the problem. Source please? I expect both would get you a warning & ban. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:37:00 - [55] Well, I'm taking the liberty of applying the source given. ;) I don't need to source out specifics, especially when my arguement is that if a GLOT person says something a straight person can say, they can get banned of XBL for it. That's discrimination. ________________________________________________
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Doctor Penguin Well, I'm taking the liberty of applying the source given. ;) I don't need to source out specifics, especially when my arguement is that if a GLOT person says something a straight person can say, they can get banned of XBL for it. That's discrimination. The mustard, it is not cut! Please provide source of people talking about heterosexual sex on XBL, being reported over it and them not being warned/banned or it didn't happen. Anything else is individual discrimination, in that people who are breaking the ToS are not being reported. Talking about getting laid on XBL is in principle against the TOS no matter your preference. It matters not whether you wish to give it to a man, woman or dog: it's all the same to Microsoft: Quote: Don't distribute, post, publish, upload, disseminate or discuss defamatory, infringing, obscene, sexual or unlawful materials Quote: Don't create a gamertag or motto that other users may be offended by, this includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Quote: Straight guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my girlfriend last night." - not a bannable offence. Gay guy over XBL: "I had some awesome sex with my boyfriend last night." - bannable offence. It's not exactly hard to spot the problem. Source please? I expect both would get you a warning & ban. From who? If you're in the game chat in Gears of War 2 for example I expect to be able to say whatever I like, it's got an 18 cert rating in the UK. Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:56:00 - [58] Quote: Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that. Most roads in the UK have a speed limit, but you don't (often) see anyone policing them. Just because people aren't caught for something doesn't mean it's not against the ToS/Law. Again I put the challenge out to you: add to your profile that you are "Rampantly Heterosexual" and see how long you last. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 17:22:00 - [59] Originally by: Cedric Diggory Quote: Most communication between players is spoken, I don't believe anyone is policing that. Most roads in the UK have a speed limit, but you don't (often) see anyone policing them. Just because people aren't caught for something doesn't mean it's not against the ToS/Law. You have to use a GATSO or other type of device to provide evidence to enforce speeding laws. How can anyone prove you've broken the ToS on XBL through the normal use of voice comms?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.26 17:36:00 - [60] What really happened: Mods: "Your sexuality is irrelevant, please remove it from your profile. Thank you." Lebz: "No way! Discrimination! RABBLE!" Mods: "Sorry, but then we have to ban you. Good bye." Lebz: "WHAAAAAAH!!! I'M GETTING PERSECUTED!!!" -------- Ideas for: Mining
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.26 17:48:00 - [61] Quote: How can anyone prove you've broken the ToS on XBL through the normal use of voice comms? That's why I used the speeding analogy; if you speed, you're breaking the law but the reality is on a rural road that nobody is watching and you'll never get caught. However, if you were to post videos on YouTube of you doing 150mph on a country road, as has been shown in the past you're going to get done for it eventually. This is however meandering off on a tangent: They can't, and I suspect you could get away with saying almost anything you like on voice comms, provided your profile and tag are clean. The topic is about someone putting this information into their publicly accessible profile, not about talking with other people about it. I maintain the challenge to any XBL user who believes this is discrimination: Add "Rampantly Heterosexual" to your profile page and see how long it takes for you to get reported and asked to remove it as I'm sure this person was. --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Danton Rasche Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.26 17:50:00 - [62] Normally, I wouldn't see this as a problem: they just want to keep sexuality out of what's intended to be a family-friendly gaming environment. However, if it's true that they're banning people's actual names merely because they contain the word gay, then that's too stupid for words. Plenty of last names contain words such as "gay" or "**", and telling people that their familiy's name is an obscenity unfit for human consumption actually is offensive: Seriously offensive, and not this "I don't want my children to know anything about the world" bull that they seem so eager to pander to. As for this: Quote:** if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. Thank you for a clear demonstration of why stupidity is what we should really be worrying about where it comes to dangers to the human race. You think the only contribution a person can make to humanity is to make more people? There are homosexuals who have conquered the world, changed the world, inspired the world: saved lives, altered the way we think, created art, built up industry and done everything else that human beings do, including have children. But I'm sure that soldier who got injured and can't have children with his wife now because he was out there in harm's way defending you is gratified to know you think he's completely useless. I'm sure that surgeon who'll one day operate on your prostate without messing it up because she put her career first will be glad to know what you think of her. Willful ignorance is bad, even when it isn't used as flimsy pre-text to gay bash.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Order of the Black Dragons	Posted - 2009.02.26 18:04:00 - [63] I hate the microsoft xbox team, those *****s make you pay for things that should be free. We steam users can make custom maps, skins, and models for free, whereas microsoft releases promotional bull packs, and gets paid for them! its outragous. But back on topic, who gives a ** about the lesbian/gay thing. I know I dont. >>Insert generic signature here<<
Tipsy X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.02.26 18:06:00 - [64] It is inconsistent to permit disclosure of one's age and gender but not sexual orientation. Disclosing sexual orientation is no more sexual than disclosing your gender - ie. what sexual organs you were born with and whether you conform more to male or female stereotypes and social 'norms' (whatever those are). I would suggest that one's sexual orientation has a pretty large effect on how we perceive their gender, or sexual identity. I understand that Microsoft wants to run XBox Live in as trouble-free a way as possible, but it is inexcusable that this should marginalise people who don't fit into the majority. Microsoft should not be in the business of helping those who would harass gay and lesbian players away from their service. They owe this woman an apology, and the reinstatement of her account. -- Tipsy XFI Chief of Staff
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.26 18:22:00 - [65] Originally by: mingeta dong From who? If you're in the game chat in Gears of War 2 for example I expect to be able to say whatever I like, it's got an 18 cert rating in the UK. That's because we're all big manly men who play gears, big men who shovel bucket loads of coal into our mouths for breakfast, without milk. derp derp derp derp. Man I can't even abide using my headset on Live anymore, I just play with some mates, good old Horde mode. Anyways, Either way, these situations turn sour, very quickly, Microsoft need to establish it as an all or nothing policy, Either nobody talks about their sexuality, or everyone can. Granted, the person involved was probably attention seeking, but that's beside the point. Despite how 'advanced' we claim to be, we're still pretty limited and short sighted on many issues. Sexuality and race are definitely two of them. Tbh though, the people who reguarily speak over live, specifically the acne-ridden 13 year old kid stereotype, are generally considered bottom of the barrel by any gaming community. Originally by: mingeta dong I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt???? She reguarily visits xbox live and openly promotes she is a lesbian. Now, considering what sort of people generally visit online games the most. What do you think?
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.26 20:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: mingeta dong I really do think the biggest issue is being missed here.......is she hawt???? She reguarily visits xbox live and openly promotes she is a lesbian. Now, considering what sort of people generally visit online games the most. What do you think?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.26 21:15:00 - [67] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/02/2009 21:17:12 I do not agree with the decision. For all we know she put it in her bio to just decrease the number of pitiful boys that would contact her. Although I do not agree with MS, I need to point out that if one reads the US Constitution, our freedom of speech only has to do with government restriction. The Constitution, in wording, does not protect free speech in private settings, which is totally under the regulation of the individual entity. For example, if you worked as a developer for a high end contractor do you think the government would interven in your dismisal from the organization if you went out and told some reporter all the secrets of said contractor? Defendant - "Your honor the defendant divulged integral company secrets" Ex-employee - "But your honor, they can not fire me for telling the buisness secrets, I have the freedom of speech" Judge - To mercyoman - The following two links help back up my belief that sexuality works on a continum that I suspect follows a traditional bell curve. To which direction that curve favors time only will tell. Mammel Review Oregon Health and Science University Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
David Kang	Posted - 2009.02.26 21:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Sokratesz I like girls. There I said it, persecute me at your own peril! This.. I like girls.. Will I be banned now? If someone spouted Heterosexuality nothing would of happened. mention one mention of gay/lesbian and you get banned WTF? I am not gay myself but gezzzzz I am on there side with this.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.26 22:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Oregon Health and Science University /me sings "I love ewe love, ewe love me too love, I love ewe love me love..." Linking to Gary in a sexuality based thread. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Roah Baztohr Minmatar The Hive Mind	Posted - 2009.02.27 13:03:00 - [70] Edited by: Roah Baztohr on 27/02/2009 13:07:25 Edited by: Roah Baztohr on 27/02/2009 13:06:39 From the XBOX live code of conduct (which you agree to in the Terms of Use):" -Don't create a gamertag or motto that other users may be offended by, this includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities. -Don't create a gamertag or motto that references controversial religious topics, notorious people, organizations, or sensitive current or historical events that may also be considered inappropriate. That's all there is to it, really. Adding her sexual orientation in her bio (I assume Motto=Bio) is against the ToU. The same would be true for adding your religious conviction, or adding that you're a ganja-smoker... Funny thing about all this is that no-one would be offended if they'd ban someone who says they're a right-wing extremist (apart from some other right-wing extremists, probably), while this would be, in essence, the same offence. Of course, I'm not saying being lesbian is comparable to being a right-wing extremist, on the contrary. However, MS (and most if not all other companies in a similar position) will not "judge" people on their convictions, they just tell them to keep them out of their controlled space. Which is common sense, really. Now if MS would start to actually pass judgement on those convictions, that's when people should be in an uproar... Imagine MS telling you it's ok to be catholic, but not jewish... or it's fine to say you're an enviromentalist, but not a socialist... Right now, they just tell you to keep it out of the xbox live enviroment, to which they have every right. And using the service means you've agreed to this. Of course, this does mean that someone could get the same penalty for announcing they're heterosexual. I assume they would. Find some proof that this isn't the case, and maybe this would actually be an issue. Oh and regarding real-life names with "gay" in it and such... well, sucks to be you I guess... Your parents could've called you Adolf ******, that doesn't mean you can use that name in online games... This even applies to me, as my (dutch) surname is offensive in english, I'd probably not be allowed to use it... can't really say I give a damn tbh...
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.27 13:48:00 - [71] I am not sure why anyone would want to advertise that they were gay on Xbox Live, given that it has no bearing on the playing of games. And even if it was put there to stop guys trying to chat her up, well that wouldn't dissuade them. It would probably excite them even more. Microsoft's position is ambiguous. If they ban someone for advertising they are gay, as according to the terms of service that a few people have already pointed out, then they have to do it for all categories, whether they be gay, straight or bi. It's an all-or-nothing situation, and Microsoft, being a large corporation, take the safest option. If Microsoft want to counter this woman's claims, all they have to do is produce an example of where they have banned someone for advertising their hetero preference. Now the other players were acting like idiots, and were discriminating against her. If she is banned for having lesbian on her profile, then all those that chased after her for the explicit purpose of harrassing a gay person have to be banned as well (as it is stated that 'hateful' behaviour is not tolerated in the ToS). If they are offended, they have to raise a complaint, not hound the person. That is not acceptable behaviour. As for the freedom of speech part, you are on their network, you have to play by their rules. As long as they don't start telling me what to think, it's not going to ruin my day. They have to do these things to prevent offence and, frankly, people will take an offence to practically anything. No-one likes to walk on eggshells, but you have to remember that you are playing social games with strangers, and you have to bear in mind their feelings. That said, it is practically impossible to avoid offending someone somewhere down the line, so Microsoft shouldn't be quite so quick to pounce on these things, and apply a little common sense (especially seeing as it seems to be in short supply in the community itself). When playing online, it's best to forge a circle of friends that you know won't take offence. Then you can air your views without getting banned. If you play with strangers, be aware that you will eventually offend someone, and you may even have to apologise.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Roah Baztohr Oh and regarding real-life names with "gay" in it and such... well, sucks to be you I guess... Your parents could've called you Adolf ****, that doesn't mean you can use that name in online games... This even applies to me, as my (dutch) surname is offensive in english, I'd probably not be allowed to use it... can't really say I give a damn tbh... The name things is interesting, and shows it is nigh on impossible to filter out these words. I personally have encountered the surnames er, Bastard (pronounced B'Stard, like in The New Statesman) and Lillicrap. There's even a professional football player with the surname **tu. And surnames of notorious dictator's? How can you censor them? You'd be knackered in a history forum if you were prevented from ever mentioning their name. Personally, I prefer the approach of not automatically filtering out offensive words and have moderators remove statements that are either offensive or cause offence. Then we would be able to use words like crapulence without falling afoul of the bleedin' filter.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:29:00 - [73] So not allowing sex in anyway onto X-Box live profiles is a bad thing? Quit acting homophobic, sex is sex. Stop, hammer time.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Roah Baztohr Oh and regarding real-life names with "gay" in it and such... well, sucks to be you I guess... Your parents could've called you Adolf ****, that doesn't mean you can use that name in online games... This even applies to me, as my (dutch) surname is offensive in english, I'd probably not be allowed to use it... can't really say I give a damn tbh... This guy should be banned from all Christian dominated areas Slade Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism.	Posted - 2009.02.27 20:45:00 - [75] Originally by: Megan Maynard So not allowing sex in anyway onto X-Box live profiles is a bad thing? Quit acting homophobic, sex is sex. Has nothing to do with video gaming. Just because you look at **** doesn't mean everyone else does. Sex is sex but its Microsoft choice ethicaly AND legally to disallow it in their service. Cry homophobia all you want but I'm sick of online perverts either way. Likewise, people dont seem to understand that this is not a news article. This is people whining that they were treated unfairly. One side of the story, I used to work in retail and believe me people will lie through their arse just to get other people to be sorry for them. ______________________________ The Tulip is AMAZED
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.27 21:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Slade Trillgon This guy should be banned from all Christian dominated areas Wow! Satan really has started skating to work .... I'm in trouble now; there's all sorts of things I swore I'd never do until this happened. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.27 21:20:00 - [77] Originally by: KingsGambit Hmmm....a controversial action by Microsoft then. Not the first and won't be the last. It seems a bit heavy handed to me, banning people over their gamertag which isn't particularly offensive or vulgar. I can understand banning the use of gamertags where they do nothing but incite tension or hatred because of a political, racial, etc implication. All the same, sexual orientation does not IMO need to be in a gamertag. Though inoffensive, it simply doesn't belong there really, and Microsoft are entitled to run the Live! service how they choose. It's the company's call to make, and they made it based on decisions by policy makers. It's not "discrimination" by any stretch though I can understand why it can be seen as controversial. And at a risk of sounding very much like something Akita T might say...whether or not someone is homesexual, if someone is offended, or feels persecuted because of the ban...get over yourselves FFS. The same goes for anyone who is offended by the homosexual references in the gamertags in the first place. To the former, just pick a new username and get on with it, stop being cry babies. You aren't being persecuted, you're just getting told to pick new usernames because the homosexual references in your old one are now considered inappropriate. Nothing more sinister than that. It is a bit of an overreaction by MS, but it's their call to make. This is really all that needs to be said.... ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.28 05:56:00 - [78] Originally by: WhiteSavage Originally by: Megan Maynard So not allowing sex in anyway onto X-Box live profiles is a bad thing? Quit acting homophobic, sex is sex. Has nothing to do with video gaming. Just because you look at **** doesn't mean everyone else does. Sex is sex but its Microsoft choice ethicaly AND legally to disallow it in their service. Cry homophobia all you want but I'm sick of online perverts either way. Likewise, people dont seem to understand that this is not a news article. This is people whining that they were treated unfairly. One side of the story, I used to work in retail and believe me people will lie through their arse just to get other people to be sorry for them. No, you misunderstood. It's homophobic to say that microsoft CAN'T ban profiles like this. Who cares what they are? Sex is sex, and they don't want it on x-box live..... Stop, hammer time.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.28 09:35:00 - [79] This poses an interesting option for the intellectually inclined: anyone who has a Live account should add "well-known thespian" and/or "rampant heterosexual" to their info and see how long until the complaints come in. But this controversy does raise some interesting questions, which are unfortunately sullied by Microsoft's banning of people with g-a-y in their real name. What I'm getting at is that if you are of the particular sexual affiliation mentioned, would you really be offended if the ban notice said something like, "You have been banned from this service because a number of ignorant rednecks took offense at something in your profile"? Most of the type of people we can't name whom I know would probably laugh at the irony of such a statement. Maybe I'm unusual, but I don't care what anyone's sexual or religious affiliation is as long as they're not an ***** (so long as it's legal). So I guess I'm in the not-relevant camp, but with a strong dislike of MS for making an issue in the first place. Originally by:** Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Frisky God	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:22:00 - [80] Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better XBOX SUCKS PS3 RULES
Jonny Lumi Gallente Karjala Inc. The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better Wouldn't that be 180 degrees?
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:39:00 - [82] Originally by: Jonny Lumi Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better Wouldn't that be 180 degrees? Yeah, if someone turns 360degrees, they end back on the same heading!
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:42:00 - [83] Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better XBOX SUCKS PS3 RULES facepalm.jpeg
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:50:00 - [84] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/02/2009 12:51:06 Originally by: Jonny Lumi Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better Wouldn't that be 180 degrees? Zing of the day Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: Slade Trillgon This guy should be banned from all Christian dominated areas Wow! Satan really has started skating to work .... I'm in trouble now; there's all sorts of things I swore I'd never do until this happened. LMAO!!! Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.28 13:29:00 - [85] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 28/02/2009 13:32:50 Originally by: Aricaan Wish I was a lesbian. I'm male but I like women, I guess that makes me a lesbian as well Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better XBOX SUCKS PS3 RULES facepalm.jpeg Try this one -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.28 23:01:00 - [86] Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better XBOX SUCKS PS3 RULES I laugh not because I think you're an idiot, but because everyone else who's quoted this apparently doesn't get the reference. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.01 00:13:00 - [87] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Frisky God Edited by: Frisky God on 28/02/2009 12:22:31 why do they call it the xbox 360 because when u see it ull turn 360 degrees and walk away then go over to the ps3 cause the ps3 is better XBOX SUCKS PS3 RULES I laugh not because I think you're an idiot, but because everyone else who's quoted this apparently doesn't get the reference. I remember where it came from, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.
Death4free Caldari Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.01 00:47:00 - [88] Wow your all abit stupid arent you why does the person in question feel the need to tell other people they are a lesbian? Does it really matter do other people really need to know? Hell i dont go around telling other ppl that im heterosexual and im sure (most) of you dont either so why should they kick up a fuss just because theyre a bit different? Stop attention seeking and all these problems will go away
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.01 01:05:00 - [89] Obvious misunderstanding is obvious.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.03.01 01:14:00 - [90] If anyone has a problem with how a company deploys a product, they can always start their own, where you're free to let people do what they want, but until you buy a huge stock in Microsoft or own the world or become God, what you say or think doesn't really matter to them. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.01 01:16:00 - [91]
Evthron Macyntire	Posted - 2009.03.01 02:33:00 - [92] I was waiting for someone to post that. ------------------------------ Sigs like this.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.01 02:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Evthron Macyntire I was waiting for someone to post that. Hehehe.
rValdez5987 Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2009.03.01 03:02:00 - [94] Originally by: Atomos Darksun http://consumerist.com/5160187/identifying-yourself-as-a-lesbian-gets-you-banned-on-xbox-live Do I have to say anything, considering I just hyperlinked that? WHAT. THE. ****. My hatred for M$ has now risen to that of Apple. I'm waiting for MS to get sued, or for a mainstream media to pick this up. I see no problem with that. If I had an xbox, I would want to login, and play the game. I dont care about your sexual orientation. I have no reason to need that information to be plastered all over your profile or in your gamer tag. Keep it to yourself. Being gay or whatever is your choice, but that doesn't mean I need or want to know about it. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig?
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.03.01 06:32:00 - [95] Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, but that doesn't mean I need or want to know about it. Methinks he doth protest too much. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.01 07:15:00 - [96] God, the giant pile of bull**** in this thread is just horrifying. First, the whole idea that putting "lesbian" in a game profile is "offensive" is just painfully stupid. It's not like she posted explicit descriptions of sex with other women, it was nothing more than "gender: female, interested in: women". In fact, sex doesn't even have to be involved at all, someone can be a lesbian but not have sex, the term includes any romantic involvement. Play any multiplayer game and you're going to hear FAR more offensive things, both sexual and non-sexual, so the idea that a simple statement of romantic preferences is "offensive" is pure bull***. As for all of your whining about "I don't need to see that", stop and think for just a second about the entire point of a profile: to post details about one's personal life. So she felt that her sexual preference was important enough in defining who she is to include it, who cares. Maybe she wanted to hang out with people with similar experiences and play games together (hey, just like a corp in EVE!), maybe she wanted to avoid unwanted male attention, who knows. But in the end, it's no different than posting your job, nationality, etc. If you don't like it, don't read it. Nobody's forcing you to click on a profile and read about the person, if you aren't interested in them as a person, just ignore it and keep shooting them. Now, granted, Microsoft has the right to decide what they allow on their private service, but I have the right to call them a bunch of worthless ***ing bigots and add yet another reason to the long list of reasons why I will never buy an xbox. -----------
Dray Caldari The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.01 14:12:00 - [97] Its in black and white in the ToS. It will only be an issue if people state they are hetrosexual and dont get the ban hammer.
Zephyr Rengate Caldari Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:41:00 - [98] Being gay is a lifestyle choice, people are not born gay. What angers me is that they act like they are so special when you consider them what are they good for? All they do is complain and act like drama queens.
Sehorhe	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:48:00 - [99] What are they good for? They brought us girl-on-girl ****. 'nuff said.
EvilPhog Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.03.01 17:26:00 - [100] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is a lifestyle choice, people are not born gay. What angers me is that they act like they are so special when you consider them what are they good for? All they do is complain and act like drama queens. hello 19th century. how's life working out for ya?
kor anon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.01 19:30:00 - [101] While i dont agree with the decision. Homosexuality is normal and completely acceptable. However it is 100% within the right of the company to ban that player. I don't even think they should have to give a reason, its their service they should be able to refuse it to whoever they want.
Zephyr Rengate Caldari Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:00:00 - [102] Apart from degrading sick **** what "use" do gay people have? none.
kor anon Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:06:00 - [103] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Apart from degrading sick **** what "use" do gay people have? none. You best be trollin
Zephyr Rengate Caldari Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.03.01 21:15:00 - [104] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Apart from degrading sick **** what "use" do gay people have? none. You best be trollin Being gay is mental disorder, it can be fixed and the reason why people get it fixed is because they understand that gays have no purpose in society except to prance around and complain about being "misunderstood". Well I hope they understand a 9mm round through there no good heads.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.01 21:26:00 - [105] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is a lifestyle choice, people are not born gay. Not only are you a worthless bigot, but you're a **ing idiot. There is a lot of research (including clear evidence of homosexuality in animals) showing that sexual preferences are NOT conscious choices. Quote: What angers me is that they act like they are so special when you consider them what are they good for? All they do is complain and act like drama queens. And right on schedule with the offensive stereotypes. I could argue with your "drama queen" comment, and explain how it's an unjustified stereotype, but I have a much simpler approach: What exactly have you done for the world?** I'm going to, just as a wild guess, say "nothing". I strongly suspect the best possible thing you could do for the world is to remove yourself from it. Remember, when you're a worthless bigot, suicide is always the answer! -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.01 21:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is mental disorder, it can be fixed and the reason why people get it fixed is because they understand that gays have no purpose in society except to prance around and complain about being "misunderstood". Dear ***ing idiot: no, it is not a mental disorder, and no, you can't "fix" it. You can threaten and harass and guilt people into not acting* on their homosexual attractions (the popular approach for most of these "cures"), but you can't remove them completely. And again, nice stereotypes. At least you're honest about being a worthless bigot. Quote: Well I hope they understand a 9mm round through there no good heads. Why don't you lead by example and show them how it's done? I'll even buy you a bullet, if you're too poor to afford suicide. -----------
Larien Blackdale	Posted - 2009.03.01 23:50:00 - [107] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is mental disorder, it can be fixed and the reason why people get it fixed is because they understand that gays have no purpose in society except to prance around and complain about being "misunderstood". Well I hope they understand a 9mm round through there no good heads. I can't believe I just read that. You're dripping in stereotype right there I hope you realise. Why on earth do people deserve to be shot simply for sexual preferance? How do women sleeping with women affect you - or anyone in fact - personally? How does it endanger the lives of other people? Please point it out to me, because I must be missing something.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.03.02 00:30:00 - [108] Quote: Apart from degrading sick ** what "use" do gay people have? Devil's Advocate: Darwinism? --- Originally by:** 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.03.02 00:57:00 - [109] Originally by: Larien Blackdale Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is mental disorder, it can be fixed and the reason why people get it fixed is because they understand that gays have no purpose in society except to prance around and complain about being "misunderstood". Well I hope they understand a 9mm round through there no good heads. I can't believe I just read that. You're dripping in stereotype right there I hope you realise. Why on earth do people deserve to be shot simply for sexual preferance? How do women sleeping with women affect you - or anyone in fact - personally? How does it endanger the lives of other people? Please point it out to me, because I must be missing something. Don't feed the troll who's trying to derail the thread and get it locked.
Gangus Minmatar Matari BackBone Fate Weavers	Posted - 2009.03.02 08:21:00 - [110] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Being gay is mental disorder, it can be fixed and the reason why people get it fixed is because they understand that gays have no purpose in society except to prance around and complain about being "misunderstood". Well I hope they understand a 9mm round through there no good heads. I hope you understand there's no place for sexual vilification or inciting violence towards someone purely because they choose to have sexual relations differently to you. Your post is foul, disgusting trash, much the same as the poster I believe. P.S. I'm not gay, but i believe in the right of the individual to choose what they are attracted to. You really need to wake up and look at reality. P.S. I've reported your post for the foul thing it is, and I hope you are about to say goodbye to EVE, We don't need your type here. Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose.
Roah Baztohr Minmatar The Hive Mind	Posted - 2009.03.02 15:39:00 - [111] Originally by: Merin Ryskin God, the giant pile of bull**** in this thread is just horrifying. First, the whole idea that putting "lesbian" in a game profile is "offensive" is just painfully stupid. It's not like she posted explicit descriptions of sex with other women, it was nothing more than "gender: female, interested in: women". In fact, sex doesn't even have to be involved at all, someone can be a lesbian but not have sex, the term includes any romantic involvement. Play any multiplayer game and you're going to hear FAR more offensive things, both sexual and non-sexual, so the idea that a simple statement of romantic preferences is "offensive" is pure bull***. As for all of your whining about "I don't need to see that", stop and think for just a second about the entire point of a profile: to post details about one's personal life. So she felt that her sexual preference was important enough in defining who she is to include it, who cares. Maybe she wanted to hang out with people with similar experiences and play games together (hey, just like a corp in EVE!), maybe she wanted to avoid unwanted male attention, who knows. But in the end, it's no different than posting your job, nationality, etc. If you don't like it, don't read it. Nobody's forcing you to click on a profile and read about the person, if you aren't interested in them as a person, just ignore it and keep shooting them. Now, granted, Microsoft has the right to decide what they allow on their private service, but I have the right to call them a bunch of worthless *ing bigots and add yet another reason to the long list of reasons why I will never buy an xbox. Thing is, homosexuality is a "controversial" subject, just like, for example, religion and politics. These are subjects that cause people to go off on ridiculous rants and lose all sense of perspective and realism. Microsoft wants to keep this rubbish out of their service... So because of this they are a bunch of worthless **ing biggots? Strange, really, I'd say they are trying to prevent biggots from having anything to direct their biggotry at... It's not about lesbianism being offensive, it's about keeping this type of discussion out of their little gaming network.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.03.02 16:59:00 - [112] Originally by: Roah Baztohr Microsoft wants to keep this rubbish out of their service... Are you playing the same Xbox live as everyone else?
Tractus Vesica Caldari Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.03.02 18:13:00 - [113] PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE! STOP! I believe were missing the true question here... Does she put out? >>Insert generic signature here<<
Logi3 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.03 09:39:00 - [114] Dont see why she felt the need to put it on her profile, must be one of those proud lezz'as who like everyone to know. Xbox live is primarly for gaming, not talking about or discloseing your sexual preference. ----
Roah Baztohr Minmatar The Hive Mind	Posted - 2009.03.03 16:01:00 - [115] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Roah Baztohr Microsoft wants to keep this rubbish out of their service... Are you playing the same Xbox live as everyone else? Don't play xbox/xbox live at all, actually... Still, them not succeeding doesn't mean it's not what they're trying to do... remember, it's MS... the day they make something that doesn't suck is the day the start making vacuum cleaners ;)
Roah Baztohr Minmatar The Hive Mind	Posted - 2009.03.03 16:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Tractus Vesica PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE! STOP! I believe were missing the true question here... Does she put out? Probably... but only to girls, so to bad for you ;)
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.03.03 17:23:00 - [117] I never join an online game shouting "I'm hetero, you HEAR? I'm hetero!". Get freaking over it. Who gives a damn if you're gay? It's your own business.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:02:00 - [118] Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, That's pretty debatable, dude. ----------- Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:07:00 - [119] Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 03/03/2009 18:07:42 Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, That's pretty debatable, dude. No, its not. A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. >>Insert generic signature here<<
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:09:00 - [120] Originally by: Tractus Vesica Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 03/03/2009 18:07:42 Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, That's pretty debatable, dude. No, its not. A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. Please back this up with verifiable research. Thank you. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Seroquel	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:57:00 - [121] a lot of people are acting like gay people want to lavishly describe the sounds and smells of butt secks and force everyone to read it. there isn't any evidence of that. most of you are entirely missing the point of contention for gay and lesbian people. homosexuals are tired of not being able to be open about their lives like heterosexuals are. we can talk about our girlfriends and we use heterosexual-centric language openly. gay people, on the other hand, can't be as open because people "don't want to hear about it." trying a little harder to understand the actual position of the gay equality movement won't magically turn you gay or even imply that you a supporter of it. at the very least you won't be talking pass each other like a bunch of howler monkeys. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.03.03 19:53:00 - [122] Originally by: Seroquel a lot of people are acting like gay people want to lavishly describe the sounds and smells of butt secks and force everyone to read it. there isn't any evidence of that. most of you are entirely missing the point of contention for gay and lesbian people. homosexuals are tired of not being able to be open about their lives like heterosexuals are. we can talk about our girlfriends and we use heterosexual-centric language openly. gay people, on the other hand, can't be as open because people "don't want to hear about it." trying a little harder to understand the actual position of the gay equality movement won't magically turn you gay or even imply that you a supporter of it. at the very least you won't be talking pass each other like a bunch of howler monkeys. Sue Darwin.
Denaris Aschanna	Posted - 2009.03.03 20:25:00 - [123] Originally by: Tractus Vesica Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 03/03/2009 18:07:42 Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, That's pretty debatable, dude. No, its not. A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. Is that right? Funny, I must have missed that particular memo.. As a gay male I can tell you I had no choice in the matter of which gender I'm attracted to.. in fact growing up I would often wish I could be attracted to women as it would have made my life a lot easier - choice didn't come into it. To put it another way, could you choose to have a bed session with somebody of the same gender? Or does the thought - at best - do nothing for you?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:22:00 - [124] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/03/2009 21:22:46 Originally by: Tractus Vesica A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. Me thinks you need to read the whole thread before posting and you need to post some research that supports your opinion. Mammel Review Oregon Health and Science University Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:51:00 - [125] Originally by: Tractus Vesica No, its not. A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose Hate to +1 here, but yeah, you're a **ing idiot. Current scientific research (as opposed to "research" by religious bigots) supports the idea that, at minimum, large parts of sexual preference are determined by factors outside of conscious control. Now you can debate whether it's genetics, development, life experiences, whatever, but the idea that it's all a conscious choice is just absurd. You can "choose" how to act on those attractions, in the sense that you can repress your desires and force yourself to pretend they don't exist, but that's hardly a choice, is it? And besides the research, this point should just be obvious. You didn't sit down with a list of all possible genders/personalities/body types/etc and calculate which one you felt was the best combination to be attracted to, so why would you think anyone else did? Originally by:** Logi3 Dont see why she felt the need to put it on her profile, must be one of those proud lezz'as who like everyone to know. Xbox live is primarly for gaming, not talking about or discloseing your sexual preference. The whole point of a profile is to post personal information about yourself. If you don't want to see that personal information, don't click on a profile. And don't start whining and crying about it if you do click the profile and see something you don't like. Originally by: Roah Baztohr Thing is, homosexuality is a "controversial" subject, just like, for example, religion and politics. These are subjects that cause people to go off on ridiculous rants and lose all sense of perspective and realism. Microsoft wants to keep this rubbish out of their service... Bull****. Homosexuality is only "controversial" to worthless bigots. By that standard, Microsoft should also ban any black person who posts a picture of themselves, since race is a "controversial" subject as well. -----------
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.03.03 22:22:00 - [126] MS just did it to save themselves from any lawsuits or controversy down the road. It's pretty ridiculous though.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.03.04 05:13:00 - [127] I wonder if my tag RentableMuffin is bannable for having "RentableMuff" in it, or for implying prostitution, or something. oh yes and it was made using the random name generator supplied by microsoft.
Roah Baztohr Minmatar The Hive Mind	Posted - 2009.03.04 09:53:00 - [128] Originally by: Seroquel a lot of people are acting like gay people want to lavishly describe the sounds and smells of butt secks and force everyone to read it. there isn't any evidence of that. most of you are entirely missing the point of contention for gay and lesbian people. homosexuals are tired of not being able to be open about their lives like heterosexuals are. we can talk about our girlfriends and we use heterosexual-centric language openly. gay people, on the other hand, can't be as open because people "don't want to hear about it." trying a little harder to understand the actual position of the gay equality movement won't magically turn you gay or even imply that you a supporter of it. at the very least you won't be talking pass each other like a bunch of howler monkeys. You're right. But, it's not relevant. Microsoft doesn't want people putting their sexual preference in their bio's, be it hetero or homosexual. Just like they don't want you to put in your religion, be it Catholic or Muslim. The reason they don't want this is because these subjects provoke heated discussion and arguments, often resulting in people being offended, insulted, hurt, etc. Now this doesn't mean these topics should never be discussed. Xbox Live is just not the place for it... I'd say that's pretty obvious. So, once again, if there's evidence of people with references to their heterosexuality in their bio's getting reported but not banned, then yes, there'd be a case. Now, there isn't. All this hype about it also doesn't help the "gay equality movement", it'll only hurt it. Because anyone "opposed" to gay people will read this story as "another gay whine/attention cry", and the people who cry outrage were already on the equality team. So all it does is throw oil on the fire... I for one don't give a crap whether someone's gay or not, up to them. I realise that it isn't a "choice" and I realise that it can be hard for them to be open about it (although I think society has come a long way). Then again, ugly people have it harder than pretty folk, smart people have it easier than dumb people (mostly...), etc etc etc. Everyone is born with pro's and con's. Everybody will never be totally equal... All that said, there are also gay people who do flaunt it just to provoke reaction. That's fine as well, as long as they don't get upset when a reaction follows. That's like the Emo boys wearing make-up, girly jeans and pink teddybear backpacks who then cry because people look at them funny... You've every right to look like that, but expecting everyone to think it's "normal" is just being stupid.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.03.04 11:17:00 - [129] Originally by: Tractus Vesica A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. You mean like when children are born a-sexual and choose at a later age whether they want to be male or female? How about people who suffer from Syndrome of Down, they chose to have an extra chromosome? Maybe you are referring to skin colour. You get a questionaire: [] Caucasian [] Negro [] Red [] Yellow [x] ******ed We can see which one you chose.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.04 11:36:00 - [130] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 04/03/2009 11:38:18 EDIT: To stay on topic; MS has every right to do this is if it is done across the board. The rest of the text is a derail :END EDIT Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Tractus Vesica A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. You mean like when children are born a-sexual and choose at a later age whether they want to be male or female?. I was going to go down that route but I decided against it. But since you brought it up I will comment. The sad part is, in the past, many parents and/or doctors (sometimes without parental permission) decided to make the decision of making the child male or female soon after birth. These individuals have suffered lives full of pain, due to growth of the sex organs that were encased improperly and without thought of the maturation process. These individuals have also experienced massive seclusion due to the publicsÆ lack of knowledge and understanding. To all those against "deviant sexual relationships"; Should these individuals also suffer lives with a complete lack of physical touch or of romantic feelings since they do not fall into your nice little box of how things should be? As of 5 years ago asexuality was occurring at a rate close to 1/100 live births worldwide. Not a massively large percentage, but prevalent enough to raise social awareness. I will quote myself from earlier, "I believe sexuality runs along a continuum with a bell curve distribution. To which side that curve favors has yet to be determined" Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.03.04 13:41:00 - [131] Originally by: Sazkyen I never join an online game shouting "I'm hetero, you HEAR? I'm hetero!". Get freaking over it. Who gives a damn if you're gay? It's your own business. Have you played Halo online? It's full of this kind of talk. However, these people also seem to use the term ****sucker an awful lot, which may hint at some weird and strange feelings they may be suppressing.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.03.05 04:39:00 - [132] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Tractus Vesica Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 03/03/2009 18:07:42 Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: rValdez5987 Being gay or whatever is your choice, That's pretty debatable, dude. No, its not. A person's sexual decisions are within their jurisdiction, making it "their choice" No one is born gay, or straight. You choose. Please back this up with verifiable research. Thank you. Please back up your claim with credible sources. Human's make choices. So, unless you believe free will is a falsity, your position is flawed. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Youtube, its like a pitri dish of stupid." -Myself
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.05 05:32:00 - [133] Edited by: Taedrin on 05/03/2009 05:32:19 Originally by: Tractus Vesica Please back this up with verifiable research. Thank you. Please back up your claim with credible sources. Human's make choices. So, unless you believe free will is a falsity, your position is flawed. Well, leaving religion and supernatural concepts which can not be understood by human reasoning ("the soul") out of the debate, sexual orientation is probably determined by either the neurons in your brain, or the hormones floating in your blood. Either way, your actions are determined by physical laws. And because we simply can not will away these physical laws (try to ignore gravity when you are sky diving without a parachute, for example), the actions that you "choose" are predetermined by fate (so long as they are not influenced by truly random phenomena, such as radiation of individual particles.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.03.05 18:00:00 - [134] Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 05/03/2009 18:00:10 Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 05/03/2009 05:32:19 Originally by: Tractus Vesica Please back this up with verifiable research. Thank you. Please back up your claim with credible sources. Human's make choices. So, unless you believe free will is a falsity, your position is flawed. Well, leaving religion and supernatural concepts which can not be understood by human reasoning ("the soul") out of the debate, sexual orientation is probably determined by either the neurons in your brain, or the hormones floating in your blood. Either way, your actions are determined by physical laws. And because we simply can not will away these physical laws (try to ignore gravity when you are sky diving without a parachute, for example), the actions that you "choose" are predetermined by fate (so long as they are not influenced by truly random phenomena, such as radiation of individual particles. Which is why, females and males are attracted to eachother. any deviation from that sexual orientation is some sort of chemical, physical, or mental, mutation. Leaving all morals and beliefs out of this conversation. Homosexuality is still unnatural. As in, it serves no purpose. The primary function of close physical and mental links, which some choose to call "love" is nothing more than humans preforming their function. Which is to reproduce. Homosexuality, does not fill this purpose, making it an unnatural void. However, I stray from the topic. Human beings, while they are born with chemicals in their brain which determine their mental and emotional fitness, never lack choice, fate is no excuse. We are defined, and choose, based upon our expierences, and mental development. Therefore, fate, is not a suitable excuse. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Youtube, its like a pitri dish of stupid." -Myself
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.05 18:29:00 - [135] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 05/03/2009 18:29:39 Originally by: Tractus Vesica Please back up your claim with credible sources. Human's make choices. So, unless you believe free will is a falsity, your position is flawed. I have put up credible sources that you have failed to look at I guess. You are the one that has yet to post any sources. So unless you want to say that animals have free will you may need to adjust your views slightly. The original two sources that I linked. Mammel Review If the link does not work the following is the abstract: "Information from the literature is given on the presence or absence of homosexual behaviour and female-male mounting in 125 species of mammals, both captive and wild. Such behaviour occurs in the male and often female young of many species soon after their birth. It is more common in young, often in play, than in adults. Adult homosexual behaviour is widespread in male and female mammals (recorded in 63 and 71 species respectively), but common in few species. In males it is most likely to be correlated with dominance and thus to occur in species with hierarchies such as terrestrial monkeys and members of the sheep and goat tribe. In females it is often correlated with sexual condition; a female in heat most often mounted another female, and one in heat was next most likely to be mounted by another female. Anoestral females rarely mounted other anoestral females. Females of 43 species mounted males, which often excited them sexually. Captive mammals tended to mount animals of the same sex more often than did wild ones when comparative data were available. Domestic animals also mounted more man did wild ones, with several exceptions. Some phylogenetic groups of animals displayed similar degrees of homosexual mounting, but there was often considerable variation between closely related species. Nor could homosexual mounting be always correlated with the social structure of a group. The four reasons for, or contexts of, homosexual and female-male mountings were social play (in 34 species), aggression (19 species), sexual excitement (36 species), and physical contactùnon-play (30 species). This last category included a state of tension, getting attention, greeting, grooming, caressing, reassurance and appeasement. There was some overlap between categories. Homosexual pair-bonds occur in captive mammals and have been observed throughout the year in non-captive female Japanese monkeys." Oregon Health and Science University A few other sources for your viewing if you do not mind reading. National Geographic All Psych Journal Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.03.05 19:20:00 - [136] Originally by: Tractus Vesica Which is why, females and males are attracted to eachother. any deviation from that sexual orientation is some sort of chemical, physical, or mental, mutation. Leaving all morals and beliefs out of this conversation. Homosexuality is still unnatural. As in, it serves no purpose. The primary function of close physical and mental links, which some choose to call "love" is nothing more than humans preforming their function. Which is to reproduce. Homosexuality, does not fill this purpose, making it an unnatural void. However, I stray from the topic. Human beings, while they are born with chemicals in their brain which determine their mental and emotional fitness, never lack choice, fate is no excuse. We are defined, and choose, based upon our expierences, and mental development. Therefore, fate, is not a suitable excuse. What defines what is or isn't natural. Who defined the laws by which this is determined. Which consciousness gives nature a purpose. You try to sound all logical and analytic and yet you completely fail at the level of objectivity and fall into the trap of a sentient "Nature" entity that defines what should or shouldn't exist. There is no universal law of nature concerning that matter. Reality just functions. There is no intention behind it. There is no natural or unnatural. All your arguments are moot. -------- Ideas for: Mining
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.05 23:28:00 - [137] Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 05/03/2009 23:29:06 Originally by: Tractus Vesica Which is why, females and males are attracted to eachother. any deviation from that sexual orientation is some sort of chemical, physical, or mental, mutation. Leaving all morals and beliefs out of this conversation. Homosexuality is still unnatural. As in, it serves no purpose. The primary function of close physical and mental links, which some choose to call "love" is nothing more than humans preforming their function. Which is to reproduce. Homosexuality, does not fill this purpose, making it an unnatural void. However, I stray from the topic. Human beings, while they are born with chemicals in their brain which determine their mental and emotional fitness, never lack choice, fate is no excuse. We are defined, and choose, based upon our expierences, and mental development. Therefore, fate, is not a suitable excuse. You should ask a gay dude to corroborate your point and Ted Haggard doesn't count. *e Cuz he's a f@g ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.06 00:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Ratchman Originally by: Sazkyen I never join an online game shouting "I'm hetero, you HEAR? I'm hetero!". Get freaking over it. Who gives a damn if you're gay? It's your own business. Have you played Halo online? It's full of this kind of talk. However, these people also seem to use the term ****sucker an awful lot, which may hint at some weird and strange feelings they may be suppressing. Disabling incoming voice solves a lot of these problems. Only chat with friends via Party tbh on Live.
Belco Ssefeaba Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.06 06:44:00 - [139] Originally by: mercyonman also to add. if they are GAY/LESBIAN they are a failure to the human race. they cannot reproduce thus being utterly and completely useless. if this spreads then the human race would slow down a bit. but hey at least we still have our pants on right? Evolution's way of curbing population? Regardless of whether that theory is true or not, your post is still bigoted BS.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.03.06 17:14:00 - [140] LMAO, you are all still stuck on if this was sexist or "wrong" in some way. Microsoft has stated it wants nothing to do with SEX, in ANY FORM, on it's profiles on X-Box live. Stating that Microsoft is homophobic by removing the profile is sexist in every imaginable way possible. Gays and Lesbians have every right everyone else does, and every restriction everyone else does. It's not facebook, get over yourselves. The people in this thread claiming that Microsoft is somehow in the wrong here are in fact the ones that are PUSHING homophobia. It shouldn't be a separate set of laws/rules, they should be treated as equals. Gays and Lesbians, the rational ones that I know, do not want "special" privileges as some of you believe. NOT EVERY GAY/LESBIAN IS RIGHT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY/LESBIAN. Some of them are just like the rest of us, IDIOTS. So knock off the self righteous bull **** and start acting like adults. She had sex related information on her profile, Microsoft removed it. IT'S FAIR. Stop, hammer time.
Tractus Vesica Caldari Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.03.06 18:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Tractus Vesica Which is why, females and males are attracted to eachother. any deviation from that sexual orientation is some sort of chemical, physical, or mental, mutation. Leaving all morals and beliefs out of this conversation. Homosexuality is still unnatural. As in, it serves no purpose. The primary function of close physical and mental links, which some choose to call "love" is nothing more than humans preforming their function. Which is to reproduce. Homosexuality, does not fill this purpose, making it an unnatural void. However, I stray from the topic. Human beings, while they are born with chemicals in their brain which determine their mental and emotional fitness, never lack choice, fate is no excuse. We are defined, and choose, based upon our expierences, and mental development. Therefore, fate, is not a suitable excuse. What defines what is or isn't natural. Who defined the laws by which this is determined. Which consciousness gives nature a purpose. You try to sound all logical and analytic and yet you completely fail at the level of objectivity and fall into the trap of a sentient "Nature" entity that defines what should or shouldn't exist. There is no universal law of nature concerning that matter. Reality just functions. There is no intention behind it. There is no natural or unnatural. All your arguments are moot. Species have developed natural forms of life, for their own welfare. For instance, why do lions or any other species exist? Because they reproduce, which is a heterosexual function. Now explain to me, what purpose does homosexuality server in nature? Hm? In what way does it contribute to the survival and welfare of the species? It does not, it is either empty pleasure, or a contorted mind. Even in humanity, what purpose does homosexuality serve? They don't contribute to the populace, and any private business, political, or mental relevations they may have, are not a product of their homosexuality, they are their own private accomplishments. To be blunt, it is unnatural, because it serves no purpose. Everything in nature was developed to serve a purpose. Homosexuality has survived because we as humans are capable of bending the laws of nature to an extent. Case closed. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Youtube, its like a pitri dish of stupid." -Myself
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 18:30:00 - [142] Look being gay is simply a mutation if your "average human being" theres nothing wrong with it ofc its impossible to "fix" and its not hamrful (unless everyone turned gay then we would be screwed) Since the fact that it is a mutation or unintended part of natures plan thats not really in dispute anyway so who gives a crap. I still dont see why people feel the need to put forward their sexual orientation. What if your 5 year old kid was playing and he saw gay or lesbian and asked you about it? Dont try and say that thats something a kid should know about at that age. Once agai n i reiterate that microsoft would also ban people for putting heterosexual in their name tag. Ever notcied that its only gay and lesbian people that feel the need to make themselves known? Why do they feel the need to do that? Surely they must realise that its fckin annoying?
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 18:32:00 - [143] Originally by: Tractus Vesica Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Tractus Vesica Which is why, females and males are attracted to eachother. any deviation from that sexual orientation is some sort of chemical, physical, or mental, mutation. Leaving all morals and beliefs out of this conversation. Homosexuality is still unnatural. As in, it serves no purpose. The primary function of close physical and mental links, which some choose to call "love" is nothing more than humans preforming their function. Which is to reproduce. Homosexuality, does not fill this purpose, making it an unnatural void. However, I stray from the topic. Human beings, while they are born with chemicals in their brain which determine their mental and emotional fitness, never lack choice, fate is no excuse. We are defined, and choose, based upon our expierences, and mental development. Therefore, fate, is not a suitable excuse. What defines what is or isn't natural. Who defined the laws by which this is determined. Which consciousness gives nature a purpose. You try to sound all logical and analytic and yet you completely fail at the level of objectivity and fall into the trap of a sentient "Nature" entity that defines what should or shouldn't exist. There is no universal law of nature concerning that matter. Reality just functions. There is no intention behind it. There is no natural or unnatural. All your arguments are moot. Species have developed natural forms of life, for their own welfare. For instance, why do lions or any other species exist? Because they reproduce, which is a heterosexual function. Now explain to me, what purpose does homosexuality server in nature? Hm? In what way does it contribute to the survival and welfare of the species? It does not, it is either empty pleasure, or a contorted mind. Even in humanity, what purpose does homosexuality serve? They don't contribute to the populace, and any private business, political, or mental relevations they may have, are not a product of their homosexuality, they are their own private accomplishments. To be blunt, it is unnatural, because it serves no purpose. Everything in nature was developed to serve a purpose. Homosexuality has survived because we as humans are capable of bending the laws of nature to an extent. Case closed. This is idiotic. There are plenty of things that exist in nature that serve "no purpose" (see female orgasm, appendix, wisdom teeth etc). Just because you don't know the reason for something's existence that makes the thing invalid and unnatural? Wow your ego is staggering. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
kor anon Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung	Posted - 2009.03.06 18:55:00 - [144] Originally by: FOl2TY8 This is idiotic. There are plenty of things that exist in nature that serve "no purpose" (see female orgasm, appendix, wisdom teeth etc). Just because you don't know the reason for something's existence that makes the thing invalid and unnatural? Wow your ego is staggering. Ignore him, he is a fool. He is probably a little 'confused' himself. Homosexuality is completely natural otherwise it wouldn't exist. Simple as that.
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 19:00:00 - [145] Originally by: kor anon Ignore him, he is a fool. He is probably a little 'confused' himself. Homosexuality is completely natural otherwise it wouldn't exist. Simple as that. I think I am going to go ef a guy now just to spite him. TAKE THAT HOMOPHOBE!!! ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.06 20:04:00 - [146] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/03/2009 20:05:07 To Tractus, I find it funny that you do not care to respond to the evidence that you asked for. The absence of a respnse leads to the idea that you are in some form of denial. Denial is the first sing of a problem Originally by: ebonyivory Ever notcied that its only gay and lesbian people that feel the need to make themselves known? Why do they feel the need to do that? Surely they must realise that its fckin annoying? Do you not realize that heterosexuality is shoved down "their" throats on a daily basis Many heterosexual people do not find that anoying because it fits into their nice little world. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 20:14:00 - [147] Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 06/03/2009 20:14:40 Originally by: Slade Trillgon Do you not realize that heterosexuality is shoved down "their" throats on a daily basis Many heterosexual people do not find that anoying because it fits into their nice little world. Slade I have a buddy that wouldn't mind some heterosexuality shoved down his throat... and how!!! But seriously Slade you're always trying to get people to empathize with other people. I think there's something wrong with you man. *e clarification ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 20:48:00 - [148] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/03/2009 20:05:07 To Tractus, I find it funny that you do not care to respond to the evidence that you asked for. The absence of a respnse leads to the idea that you are in some form of denial. Denial is the first sing of a problem Originally by: ebonyivory Ever notcied that its only gay and lesbian people that feel the need to make themselves known? Why do they feel the need to do that? Surely they must realise that its fckin annoying? Do you not realize that heterosexuality is shoved down "their" throats on a daily basis Many heterosexual people do not find that anoying because it fits into their nice little world. Slade Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they....
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.06 21:57:00 - [149] Originally by: ebonyivory Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they.... If you were a minority and you were constantly being discriminated against would you not do all in your power to change things? Would you not do all in your power to make it blatantly obvious that your population is not really that different and deserves the same respect and rights given to the majority? Whether the shove is intentional or not does not really matter. The fact that homosexuals are in a minority, and in the States, live in a place where they are looked down upon and discriminated against in many places, justifies their cries in many but not all circumstances. Then again this does not matter if you think that homosexuals need to continue to hide in the closet from society and accept their less then equal standings as citizens. This MS incident being case and point. MS has every right to police their site as they see fit. This individual definitely handled the situation incorrectly. If they really wanted to prove a point they should have created a profile that said I am heterosexual, then get someone to complain about it, and see if the results were the same. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:12:00 - [150] Originally by: ebonyivory Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they.... I feel sorry for you that you can't reconcile the fact that an entire segment of society yearns for equal rights. If this fight annoys you maybe you should pray more, or whatever an idiotic bigot (that's you) does in times of confusion. Religious people that complain about things annoy me too, but I don't think they have any less of a right to complain simply because I don't agree. I just make sure that every time I do my wife in the brown eye I thank god for making it so tight. Praise jesus! ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:35:00 - [151] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Originally by: ebonyivory Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they.... I feel sorry for you that you can't reconcile the fact that an entire segment of society yearns for equal rights. If this fight annoys you maybe you should pray more, or whatever an idiotic bigot (that's you) does in times of confusion. Religious people that complain about things annoy me too, but I don't think they have any less of a right to complain simply because I don't agree. I just make sure that every time I do my wife in the brown eye I thank god for making it so tight. Praise jesus! Haha praying thats rich i hate religous people almost asmuch as i hate whiny pussies like you Gays are equal you pillock stop conjuring up demons because you feel like you arent heard about enough
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:39:00 - [152] Originally by: ebonyivory Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases Whether it's deliberate or not doesn't matter, what matters is the end result. Quote: And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they.... You know why? Because "straight pride week" is 51 weeks a year. As for being accepted, yes, they want to be accepted, not just ignored by a society that refuses to really admit that such horrible sinners even exist. Being pushed away from the rest of society is not the same as being left alone and accepted. As for you, Tractus Vesica, you are still a **ing idiot. Your use of "unnatural" is pure bull. "Natural", last time I checked, has not been redefined to mean "those things that I find acceptable". Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality, like it or not. Your references to "purpose" are even more bull. Not only have beneficial purposes been proposed (hint: your genes are carried by more than just your direct offspring), but your whole argument is nonsense. Even if we grant the assumption that homosexuality is a non-productive genetic "mistake", so are quite a few other things. For example, I have the non-productive mistake of poor vision, and for 99% of human history, that fact would have been a serious threat to my chances of reproduction (can't reproduce if you're dead, after all). Do we say that I have a choice to need glasses? Hell no. Lack of purpose =/= choice. And not only are your arguments about choice pure bull, but they demonstrate that you are even more of a *ing idiot than I originally thought. I would lecture you on the differences between feeling attraction and acting on attraction, or direct you to the scientific research on the subject, or any of a few other approaches, but I have a very simple one instead: I'll just repeat the question you've dodged once already: Tractus Vesica, when, exactly, did you choose* to be straight? Please describe your process of considering all possible options equally, and then settling on your current preferences (in gender/appearance/personality) for rational reasons. When you finally admit that you can not do this (because you never made a conscious choice), consider this: your preferences, as you just saw, are (at least in large part) determined by factors outside of your conscious control. You do have a "choice" about how to act on them, in the sense that you could deny your attraction to other men, force yourself into an unhappy marriage with a woman (but hey, Jesus loves the fact that you only have sex once a year and only to have kids), and then end up trolling airport bathrooms for anonymous sex with republican senators. But do you really consider this a "choice"? -----------
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:41:00 - [153] Originally by: Slade Trillgon If you were a minority and you were constantly being discriminated against would you not do all in your power to change things? Would you not do all in your power to make it blatantly obvious that your population is not really that different and deserves the same respect and rights given to the majority? Whether the shove is intentional or not does not really matter. The fact that homosexuals are in a minority, and in the States, live in a place where they are looked down upon and discriminated against in many places, justifies their cries in many but not all circumstances. Then again this does not matter if you think that homosexuals need to continue to hide in the closet from society and accept their less then equal standings as citizens. This MS incident being case and point. MS has every right to police their site as they see fit. This individual definitely handled the situation incorrectly. If they really wanted to prove a point they should have created a profile that said I am heterosexual, then get someone to complain about it, and see if the results were the same. Slade Im not sure how they handle things over in the u s of fail but over here you dont get people discriminating against gays (atleast not where i live , england) Sure people find it abit sick but then im sure that gays think that hetersexuals are abit sick aswell. So what your saying is that in a society where people do kick up minimal fuss these days if you want to be accepted as equals you should infact prarade around the streets making alot of noise and generally **ing people off.....wonder why gays think they are hated. Also the majority always comes before the minority thats just tough luck Thats your problem the usf (f=fail) is full of idiots anyway so your just screwed They arent less than equal citizens you pillock (im bringing it back) gays have the same oppurtunities as males and in some places more oppurtunities (fashion and such) it balances out in the end its the same with every divide such as between boys and girls...for example men tend to be better at manual labour whereas women tend to be better at hair dressing and such. Chances are if they did ms woulda banned them too. Once again its just a bunch of whiny ***s kicking up alot of fuss because their "human rights" are being infringed (which by the way is eventually going to get us all killed/turn the planet into a wasteland (before global warming etc))
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:42:00 - [154] Originally by: ebonyivory Haha praying thats rich i hate religous people almost asmuch as i hate whiny pussies like you Gays are equal you pillock stop conjuring up demons because you feel like you arent heard about enough You're right gays are equal, just not under the law(US). For someone who hates religious people so much you sure do project some puritanical values. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:47:00 - [155] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: ebonyivory Its not shoved down their throats on purpose though is it. Least not im most cases Whether it's deliberate or not doesn't matter, what matters is the end result. Quote: And you still dont here of straight pride week. I mean the way they go about it is entirely pathetic. They want people to leave them alone and accept them for who they are yet they make a dam fuss about being noticed dont they.... You know why? Because "straight pride week" is 51 weeks a year. As for being accepted, yes, they want to be accepted, not just ignored by a society that refuses to really admit that such horrible sinners even exist. Being pushed away from the rest of society is not the same as being left alone and accepted. As for you, Tractus Vesica, you are still a **ing idiot. Your use of "unnatural" is pure bull. "Natural", last time I checked, has not been redefined to mean "those things that I find acceptable". Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality, like it or not. Your references to "purpose" are even more bull. Not only have beneficial purposes been proposed (hint: your genes are carried by more than just your direct offspring), but your whole argument is nonsense. Even if we grant the assumption that homosexuality is a non-productive genetic "mistake", so are quite a few other things. For example, I have the non-productive mistake of poor vision, and for 99% of human history, that fact would have been a serious threat to my chances of reproduction (can't reproduce if you're dead, after all). Do we say that I have a choice to need glasses? Hell no. Lack of purpose =/= choice. And not only are your arguments about choice pure bull, but they demonstrate that you are even more of a *ing idiot than I originally thought. I would lecture you on the differences between feeling attraction and acting on attraction, or direct you to the scientific research on the subject, or any of a few other approaches, but I have a very simple one instead: I'll just repeat the question you've dodged once already: Tractus Vesica, when, exactly, did you choose* to be straight? Please describe your process of considering all possible options equally, and then settling on your current preferences (in gender/appearance/personality) for rational reasons. When you finally admit that you can not do this (because you never made a conscious choice), consider this: your preferences, as you just saw, are (at least in large part) determined by factors outside of your conscious control. You do have a "choice" about how to act on them, in the sense that you could deny your attraction to other men, force yourself into an unhappy marriage with a woman (but hey, Jesus loves the fact that you only have sex once a year and only to have kids), and then end up trolling airport bathrooms for anonymous sex with republican senators. But do you really consider this a "choice"? Arg fugging wall o texts everywhere Last time i checked you dont see people shouting out about heterosexual pride though do you...sure youl talk about it with other straight people but other than that theres actually no disturbance...whereas the gays must bring out the drums and make a huge fuss.... Where are you coming up with this **? gays arent ignored ill still talk to one if they talk to me (and i dont hate them for other reasons ofc). They arent pushed away either they are for all intensive purposes equal. I get what tractus is trying to say but i think his wording is as ** as hell. Its natural but its not how nature "intended" as such. Just another mutation in the long list. Before you say no its not nature wanted it that way you can fck right off. Natures main goal is to procreate otherwise it is doing it wrong.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:56:00 - [156] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Originally by: ebonyivory Haha praying thats rich i hate religous people almost asmuch as i hate whiny pussies like you Gays are equal you pillock stop conjuring up demons because you feel like you arent heard about enough You're right gays are equal, just not under the law(US). For someone who hates religious people so much you sure do project some puritanical values. Well atleast they got something right i suppose >.> Perhaps you should sort out your governemtn first m'kay and while your at it close down all your fast food places and kill 99% of america and save us all the trouble of dealing with you ever again
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:02:00 - [157] Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 06/03/2009 23:02:37 Originally by: ebonyivory Well atleast they got something right i suppose >.> Perhaps you should sort out your governemtn first m'kay and while your at it close down all your fast food places and kill 99% of america and save us all the trouble of dealing with you ever again Wow you are one bitter SOB man. You should come to America, have a burger and get laid. It might do you some good. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:08:00 - [158] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 06/03/2009 23:02:37 Originally by: ebonyivory Well atleast they got something right i suppose >.> Perhaps you should sort out your governemtn first m'kay and while your at it close down all your fast food places and kill 99% of america and save us all the trouble of dealing with you ever again Wow you are one bitter SOB man. You should come to America, have a burger and get laid. It might do you some good. No i just hate americans (justified) hate religous people (incredibly justified) and i hate fat people (also justified) so you want me to come to america and eat a burger (and get fat) and then get laid by some super fat "chick" ....well if thats your idea of a good time ill leave that to you...
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:12:00 - [159] How do you know what's natural? How do you know what "nature" intended? Egotistical much? Oh, and seeing homosexuality as "sick" definitely counts as discrimination. Don't even start on UK vs US. Don't even start to lie about how much the UK is better, because there's a lot more people I trust on these forums than you. The UK can also stop lying to itself anytime now about still being a world superpower. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:25:00 - [160] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 06/03/2009 23:25:47 Originally by: ebonyivory Arg fugging wall o texts everywhere Hint: you're illiterate and a moron, if you actually read the post you quoted, you would have noticed that most of it was aimed at someone else. But to be nice, I'll respect your pathetic attention span and just quote the most offensive of your bull**. Originally by:** ebonyivory They arent less than equal citizens you pillock (im bringing it back) gays have the same oppurtunities as males and in some places more oppurtunities (fashion and such) it balances out in the end its the same with every divide such as between boys and girls...for example men tend to be better at manual labour whereas women tend to be better at hair dressing and such. Awesome, another bull** stereotype. Here's a hint, moron, gay =/= "good at fashion". Quote: Last time i checked you dont see people shouting out about heterosexual pride though do you...sure youl talk about it with other straight people but other than that theres actually no disturbance...whereas the gays must bring out the drums and make a huge fuss.... No, it's just all over our culture, who could possibly see it? You'd have to be completely blind (or willfully ignorant) to miss the fact that the 24/7 message is that the "correct" relationship is between one man and one woman, and anything else is either ignored or dismissed as disgusting sin. Quote: Where are you coming up with this *? gays arent ignored ill still talk to one if they talk to me (and i dont hate them for other reasons ofc). They arent pushed away either they are for all intensive purposes equal. Where do you get this painfully stupid idea that "I'll still talk to one" means they aren't being ignored? Have* you talked to any of them about how they feel about being pushed away from society? I'm going to bet you haven't. Quote: I get what tractus is trying to say but i think his wording is as **** as hell. Its natural but its not how nature "intended" as such. Just another mutation in the long list. Before you say no its not nature wanted it that way you can fck right off. Natures main goal is to procreate otherwise it is doing it wrong. Sorry, but you're just as ignorant of biology as you are about sexuality and society. Even ignoring human cultural evolution and looking only at the strict genetic side, you're still an idiot. Natural selection is about copying genes, not producing offspring, offspring are just the most direct means to that end. However, your biological relatives also contain a large percentage of your genes, enough that there are many well-documented examples of behaviors (in non-human animals) that sacrifice the best interest of the organism itself or its direct offspring in favor of improving the survival chances of its close relatives. While it's still speculation at this point, there is a very real chance that homosexuality is no different, and provides benefits to close relatives (whether homosexuality provides a direct benefit itself, or simply occurs as a side effect of some other beneficial feature). -----------
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:36:00 - [161] Originally by: Atomos Darksun How do you know what's natural? How do you know what "nature" intended? Egotistical much? Oh, and seeing homosexuality as "sick" definitely counts as discrimination. Don't even start on UK vs US. Don't even start to lie about how much the UK is better, because there's a lot more people I trust on these forums than you. The UK can also stop lying to itself anytime now about still being a world superpower. Lol you absoloute idiot. Nature is designed to survive and reproduce otherwise life itself would be pointless (and we wouldnt be here). You cant naturally reproduce if your gay now can you? So yeah looks like im right. Thinking about gay sex makes me feel sick (a little not like actually throwing up) just as i see some wierd type of fetishes as sick. Im sure you do to but dont admit it if it means you have to come down from your high horse. Ok i wont start to lie about how the uk is better ill actually list some true facts: 1.We are thinner on average (seriousely child obesity wtf 2.The rest of the world doesnt hate us (cept france but then thats france who cares) 3.We are on the shortlist of empire holders (in the past obviousely) 4.Plz post k/d ratio in iraq plz 5.As soon as there are global nuclear defenses america is screwed 6.You basically named like 50% of your cities after ours 7.Your using our language 8.We have nukes we have a good (ish) army and we arent stupidly over****y (so yeah were miles above the u.s.a then) America isnt a superpower anymore these days anyway....alls youve done for the past 50 years is fail at stopping communism and generally getting pwned in every military conflict you get involved in.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:48:00 - [162] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 06/03/2009 23:25:47 Quote: Where are you coming up with this **? gays arent ignored ill still talk to one if they talk to me (and i dont hate them for other reasons ofc). They arent pushed away either they are for all intensive purposes equal. Quote: I get what tractus is trying to say but i think his wording is as as hell. Its natural but its not how nature "intended" as such. Just another mutation in the long list. Before you say no its not nature wanted it that way you can fck right off. Natures main goal is to procreate otherwise it is doing it wrong. Sorry, but you're just as ignorant of biology as you are about sexuality and society. Even ignoring human cultural evolution and looking only at the strict genetic side, you're still an idiot. Natural selection is about copying genes, not producing offspring, offspring are just the most direct means to that end. However, your biological relatives also contain a large percentage of your genes, enough that there are many well-documented examples of behaviors (in non-human animals) that sacrifice the best interest of the organism itself or its direct offspring in favor of improving the survival chances of its close relatives. While it's still speculation at this point, there is a very real chance that homosexuality is no different, and provides benefits to close relatives (whether homosexuality provides a direct benefit itself, or simply occurs as a side effect of some other beneficial feature). Wow so what your saying is: 1.when i said wall of texts everywhere you immediately presumed i was talking specifically about you and not the wall of text i just typed out. 2.This is the internet i can be as illerate as i want for all i care u nublet. 3.i know it was aimed at someone else. Doesnt stop me from pointing out how stupid you are now does it? 4.Where did i say that they were all good at fashion. I said that they were more likely to go into a career in fashion than straight men (which is true) so yeah...shut it. 5.Ofc its everywhere its the whole fckin point of living you utter idiot. What if it is ignored why should you care? There are children starving in africa that are basically ignored there are terrible war crimes commited over the world and yet i dont see you shedding a tear over them. 6. Ofcourse i havent talked to them about that because they arent** i can off the top of my head know 3 gay people i come into regularish contact with i dont see them whining about it ever. You know why? Because people like you take pleasure in conjuring up random dilemas with no actual basis on anything. 7.Haha oh god you are so funny. Inside you right now is quite alot of something known as DNA. Youve probably heard about it (you know when your not busy being reatrded). Dna is quite selfish. Alls DNA wants to do is continue the existance of more DNA. It cant do that if after 80 or so years all of its creations die when the bag of flesh it has created decomposes. So it comes up with a plan. I know ill make more bags of flesh the Dna says. So it does and this is known as reproduction (on a human level). Why would DNA possibly not want to continue its "species" you do realise that if everyone was gay then we wouldnt exist? Natures plan is to basically continue existance. If you happen to come up with better ways of continueing your existance then woop de doo all the better. Its not a bad thing to admit that being gay is simply a mutation of being heterosexual. There are millions if not billions of other mutations that are much much worse. but the fact is it was an unintended mutation (unless Dna was particularily stupid and wanted to die). So there a very simplified biology lesson. Now suck it up and gtfo
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:58:00 - [163] Originally by: ebonyivory America isnt a superpower anymore these days anyway....alls youve done for the past 50 years is fail at stopping communism and generally getting pwned in every military conflict you get involved in. That's not true. There was, erm.... you know... begins with a K i think... or not possibly, and ummm..... don't tell me, I'll get it in a minuite. Feck! Had it for a second there. Nope... mind's gone blank. OOOOOooooh! I know..... Grenada. Does that count? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:04:00 - [164] Originally by: ebonyivory No i just hate americans (justified) hate religous people (incredibly justified) and i hate fat people (also justified) so you want me to come to america and eat a burger (and get fat) and then get laid by some super fat "chick" ....well if thats your idea of a good time ill leave that to you... All I want to know is where can I get one of these insta-fat burgers. I would eat like 30 of them right before I fist your mom with my burger engorged man paw. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:13:00 - [165] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Originally by: ebonyivory No i just hate americans (justified) hate religous people (incredibly justified) and i hate fat people (also justified) so you want me to come to america and eat a burger (and get fat) and then get laid by some super fat "chick" ....well if thats your idea of a good time ill leave that to you... All I want to know is where can I get one of these insta-fat burgers. I would eat like 30 of them right before I fist your mom with my burger engorged man paw. She said shes leaving you because you have a tiny *** and you cry everytime you have flashbacks to being **d by your dad. Also its hardly my problem that you americans are too stupid to not gorge yourself on food. Also gz on korea you really turned the tide and united korea under 1 flag...oh wai How did vietnam go anyway
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:19:00 - [166] Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 07/03/2009 00:18:58 Originally by: ebonyivory She said shes leaving you because you have a tiny *** and you cry everytime you have flashbacks to being **d by your dad. Also its hardly my problem that you americans are too stupid to not gorge yourself on food. Also gz on korea you really turned the tide and united korea under 1 flag...oh wai How did vietnam go anyway How the hell am I supposed to know? You guys have Amy Winehouse and bad teeth. That trumps everything. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
ebonyivory	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:20:00 - [167] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 07/03/2009 00:18:58 Originally by: ebonyivory She said shes leaving you because you have a tiny *** and you cry everytime you have flashbacks to being **d by your dad. Also its hardly my problem that you americans are too stupid to not gorge yourself on food. Also gz on korea you really turned the tide and united korea under 1 flag...oh wai How did vietnam go anyway How the hell am I supposed to know? You guys have Amy Winehouse and bad teeth. That trumps everything. Nah we got dentists over here our teeths be fine Also you have tom cruise and george lucas.....and EA so no you lose
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:28:00 - [168] Originally by: ebonyivory Also you have tom cruise and george lucas.....and EA so no you lose You're out of your goddamned mind man. EA as in Electronic Arts? The proverbial pudding... This thread is now about defending EA because I don't hate the Brits, idiots, gays, Microsoft's EULA or my child molesting father. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:29:00 - [169] Originally by: ebonyivory 7.Your using our language The irony in this statement amuses me. Okay, chav Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.07 01:00:00 - [170] Originally by: ebonyivory Nature is designed to survive and reproduce otherwise life itself would be pointless (and we wouldnt be here). You cant naturally reproduce if your gay now can you? So yeah looks like im right. The thing is that science proves you wrong. If you would care to take a look at the sources I presented earlier you may find some things out. Unless you can take the time to read those, find reffered sources that supports your claims, and form anargument, then you are just full of hot air. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 01:07:00 - [171] Originally by: Slade Trillgon The thing is that science proves you wrong. If you would care to take a look at the sources I presented earlier you may find some things out. Unless you can take the time to read those, find reffered sources that supports your claims, and form anargument, then you are just full of hot air. Slade But Slade science doesn't account for my own personal opinion so I will sit here and F5 this thread on my goo encrusted keyboard until you agree with me. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.03.07 01:10:00 - [172] It's gonna be a long night. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 01:15:00 - [173] Originally by: Jago Kain It's gonna be a long night. F5!!!!! ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve

CCP Mitnal C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.03.07 02:18:00 - [174] Locked. Thread has run its course and descended into a flame fest. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email


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