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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 16:20:45
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Pan Galactic Traders
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon For the conspiracy theories it would require the work of a lot of people keeping their mouth shut or lieing in a consistant way.
No it doesn't. All it requires is a stranglehold on the media by whichever method, although buying large sections of it and installing Quisling editors seems to work well.
In the UK, there is the government's effective immunity from the Freedom of Information Act, when it chooses to exercise it because hearing about shady goings on is "not in the public interest". I don't know exactly how things work in this respect in other countries, but I should imagine anywhere with a bureaucracy has something similar in place.
Is this so surprising? How does the general public get to hear about anything dodgy, if the courts are bent, the government is bent and the media is owned by those who control the courts and the government, or are in debt to them for whatever reason? If you were in power and doing something illegal, but had control of the media, would you allow them to report it?
The internet is of limited help here, as for every site with something relevant and thought provoking to add to the mix, there are seemingly dozens of lunatic ones with badly thought through BS. Of course, conspiracy theorists would say that some of the more crackpot stuff is out there to discredit conspiracy theories in general, and to make all dissenteres look bad by association... Although if David Icke is actually right about the Lizard-folk from outer space and not just a grade A nutjob, we'll all look like ****s in any case.
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
The fact that any come to light at all, if the media has it's own agenda above and beyond reporting of the facts, should give you some indication of how big the iceberg could be.
Of course, the crooks and scumbags pulling the strings can point to the odd example of someone daft enough to get caught (or possibly thrown from the sleigh) and say "See; there is no conspiracy. There is justice and fair play". Two words here; recoverable alzheimers.
There is no way that I can (currently) prove to anyone who has set their mind against it that there are any conspiracies at all.
Equally, there is no way that anyone can convince me that some conspiracy theories are fiction.
Time will tell, but given the propensity for lying to their own people and lining their own pockets shown by every government I've ever even heard about going back as far as history does, it would be naive of me, in the extreme, to assume that it has all stopped just because the current crop of politicos is telling us it has.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
Your world? when you say that! Is that the world in your own mind? Because the world I "know" I live in is nothing like that, the world I live in is controlled by Monetarism which by any intelectuals point of view is far from scientific or rationally moral.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 01/03/2009 16:26:25
Originally by: Bish Ounen where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
In the world I live in there are scientists questioning the validity of the official explanation of what happened back in 2001, what does this tell you? Not that they are necessarily wrong or right, but that a more thorough explanation is needed..
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Gaiam
Gallente Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:37:00 -
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yall are like sheep being led to slaughter, except for the OP.
grow brains plz, there is only one reality and it is not faith or belief based, it is fact based.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:46:47 Incidentally, the site the OP linked to is run by Richard Gage. A KNOWN conspiracy theorist and crackpot.
So if you think you are getting "Real Science" on that site, you are kidding yourself. Gage is a pathological liar, a shyster and a sham. He knows NOTHING about which he speaks, and pads his "experts" list with more than 90% gullible college students. (along with the occasional JOURNALIST mysteriously listed in the "engineering experts" group.)
On the other hand, check out PART of the "sources" section on the Popular Mechanics 9/11 debunking article. It's a who's who of the best of the best in all engineering disciplines.
So while some of you are busy laughing at your little jokes "Hey! He's a 'Murrican an theys all religious idiots! That's funee! Hurr hurr hurr!" or making nonsensical comments about money and banking conspiriacies, the REST of us are living in REALITY where the scientific method and facts determine the truth.
Have the courage to accept the Truth. You will be better for it.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American? __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:50:59
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sokratesz
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American?
I think I can cover that for you. He hates people of faith and Americans. It's that simple, he's a BIGOT.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:50:59
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sokratesz
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American?
I think I can cover that for you. He hates people of faith and Americans. It's that simple, he's a BIGOT.
My implication was that because I'm American I must be ignorant, arrogant, and God-fearing to the point of ignoring reason - it didn't come across well, I'm tired :b
There's too much anti-America hate on these boards, makes me sad __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
My implication was that because I'm American I must be ignorant, arrogant, and God-fearing to the point of ignoring reason - it didn't come across well, I'm tired :b
There's too much anti-America hate on these boards, makes me sad
Agreed.
that's why i just put in a request in the "rules" post at the top to ban both the loony conspiracy threads and the Anti <nationality> posts. Although most of the posts are usually Anti-American, bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
If, at this point you honestly still have questions, you are either:
a) An irrational kook. Please seek proper psychiatric help
b) Woefully uninformed or misinformed and need to read through the article and educate yourself.
c) Someone who needs to take a course on logical thinking (yes, they are available) and then re-read the article.
d) Some combination of the above 3 choices.
If you are 'god fearing' and subscribe to what he said here, then yes, you are a hypocrite. Nothing against Americans, there's an awful lot of great ones.
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mercyonman
Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T It is more nonsense. How about "oh, look, you can't compare this with that, since they didn't have a metric buttload of plane fuel burning inside".
for once in my life time i agree with you
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
Yes like your constant use of derogatory words like "crack pot" to describe a person you believe has a mental illness, yor words would come across as very offensive to anyone who has suffered a genuine mental illness like depression. So yes bigotry should not be allowed, bye then Bish, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
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I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
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Well just look like people after WW2 was anti-german theres a reason for people being anti-american, but i dont wanna be anti-american cause humans are humans, even japanese and arabs.. please sense the harsh irony of gtfo. And for the record i might be god-fearing, i guess thats part of the reason i just dont sit back but take my share in spreading some truth or whatever you wanna call it. Its not for my fellow man, cause tbh i am a egoistic bastard just like everyone else?
well take care, ill probably try and stay out of the forum with any more threads, just know tahts its up to you to do something.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
just for the record i want to state the difference between religion and faith.
peace!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist
Originally by: Sokratesz I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
just for the record i want to state the difference between religion and faith.
peace!
They are tightly connected. A long time ago, faith turned into religion, and nowadays, most faith originates in religion, as children are reared by their parents to believe a and despise b.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Bish Ounen bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
Yes like your constant use of derogatory words like "crack pot" to describe a person you believe has a mental illness, yor words would come across as very offensive to anyone who has suffered a genuine mental illness like depression. So yes bigotry should not be allowed, bye then Bish, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Nebulous,
It's quite obvious by your posts so far that you aren't interested in a discussion of the facts, or in even CONSIDERING that the conspiracy theorists MIGHT be wrong. Your only interest is in insulting me and anyone who disagrees with you. I'm sorry that you feel that is necessary.
Particularly since I have gone to such great trouble to point out that the PRIMARY "scientist" behind the website linked by the OP is a known shyster. I have attempted to help you by presenting you with the truth. You chose to insult me in response.
As a wise man once said, Insults are the last refuge of a scoundrel. I will not insult you, you insult yourself far more than I ever could.
Regardless, the 9/11 conspiracy theories are well and truly debunked. Please stop spreading such horrible lies.
Thank you.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:28:00 -
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ooops almost missed popcorn time
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill ooops almost missed popcorn time
Dunno how much popcorn is left to be had. Looks like the OP has already skedaddled, and I think I've posted enough links to pretty much drive any counter-argument into the ground.
I can always tell I've won when the opposition posters devolve into insults and telling me to go away.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:37:00 -
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*sigh*
As much as I hate to defend religion in any way, religion isn't the problem here. I'm a devout atheist (really, anti-theist) and I agree with what Bish Ounen is saying. The conspiracy theories are pure bull**** and dishonesty. It doesn't matter if 99% of scientists agree that the official story is correct, you're always going to have a few who disagree in any large enough group. And the inevitable result: the tinfoil hatters post a list of names, without bothering to mention that they're a tiny, tiny minority of the experts.
It's just like the intelligent design morons. A while back, they posted a list of "scientists who doubt evolution". The scientific community's response? A matching list of "scientists named Steve who support evolution". Despite people named Steve being around 1-2% of the population, the list of scientists supporting evolution is far longer.
Conclusion: a list of supporters is worthless if you dishonestly hide the percentage of supporters. -----------
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:41:00 -
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As for you, Polkageist, you are still a ****ing idiot and a worthless spambot. Once again, you spam the same links you've already spammed dozens of times, but you a new thread so nobody will see the hilarious ass-kicking I gave you in the previous ones. Unfortunately for you, I saved the link.
Here is the very simple question you refuse to answer:
To what extent were elements of the US government involved in the terrorist attacks on 9/11/01?
a) No direct involvement. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. There were intelligence failures prior to the attacks, but none were deliberate. The attacks were used to advance various political agendas, but they simply took advantage of an opportunity, there was no advance knowledge. (Essentially, the official story is true.)
b) No direct involvement. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. There were intelligence failures, and they were deliberate. To accomplish their goals, the conspiracy deliberately ignored evidence and did nothing to stop the plans by the terrorists, but did nothing to actively assist them.
c) Direct involvement, but only in the planning stages. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. The attacks were executed exactly as the official story claims, but some degree of active assistance was given to the terrorists (funding, ignoring evidence, required documents, etc).
d) Direct involvement, including in the actual attacks. Four hijacked planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers, but (at least some of) the hijackers were members of the conspiracy, not religious terrorists. Note that this would include "remote control planes" or similar theories, as long as the actual attacks consisted of suicide attacks by four airliners.
e) Direct involvement, and it wasn't just hijacked planes. Bombs in the WTC buildings, a missile attack on the pentagon, etc. Four planes were hijacked and crashed, but there was something else adding to the damage.
f) Direct involvement, and there were no hijacked planes at all. Something else hit the pentagon and brought down the WTC towers.
If at any point you wish to have a reasonable discussion of the subject, feel free to answer the question. Or just continue to be a troll and a fraud, and continue your bull**** and evasions.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:55:00 -
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id join the church of the flying spaghetti monster ...awe crap i already have
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:04:00 -
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@ Merin
Last thread was closed by admin so i could not talk to you about ass-kicking. But your own words really say how little you see whats going on when you talk about "ass-kicking". You still think this has anything to do with winning a forum discussion on EVE-online forum.
No matter what i type or what i link you can allways call it bull****, say this and that so i dont really think it will be going anywhere.
But please stop your neofascist junta before they do another false flag.
And to Jason... That popcorn thing made me chuckle Take care
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist Last thread was closed by admin so i could not talk to you about ass-kicking. But your own words really say how little you see whats going on when you talk about "ass-kicking". You still think this has anything to do with winning a forum discussion on EVE-online forum.
Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that your old thread was closed. Maybe you should take the hint and stop spamming the exact same link and pretending your old threads never happened?
And it's not about winning the argument, that would imply that there was ever a discussion in the first place. There is not, and never has been. There has been nothing more than a bull**** fraud (you) spambotting links and failing utterly at doing even the slightest bit of discussion, most likely because you know if you have to defend your position yourself, your fraud and idiocy will be exposed.
Quote: No matter what i type or what i link you can allways call it bull****, say this and that so i dont really think it will be going anywhere.
Ah, "you won't listen anyway", a classic dodge of the cornered fraud. I find it hilarious how much time you spend coming up with excuses for why you can't answer the question, instead of taking a few seconds to answer it. -----------
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:16:00 -
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dont you think its a little to ask that one man, a 26 year old bum from denmark should take responsibility of laying out all the stuf? I just cant do that. I provided some links. The other stuff, get some professionals to do that. I can't do it... if thats a fraud, then i stand guilty.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:19:00 -
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but i quit this now. I done my part. I cant take it anymore. Take care and have fun. Its upto YOU now.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist dont you think its a little to ask that one man, a 26 year old bum from denmark should take responsibility of laying out all the stuf? I just cant do that. I provided some links. The other stuff, get some professionals to do that. I can't do it... if thats a fraud, then i stand guilty.
Who said anything about taking responsibility for laying out all of that stuff? All I'm asking for is a single letter, in response to a question about what YOU believe. You know, the mandatory first step in a discussion (as opposed to drive-by link spamming), finding out what position the other person holds.
Since you refuse to answer, we must come to one (or both) of two conclusions:
1) You are unwilling to answer, because you know that if you commit to a position, you will be exposed as a fraud when you are unable to defend that position. By simply spamming links, you keep your arguments too vague to effectively respond to, and allow yourself to always claim "but you haven't proved me wrong yet!!!!".
OR
2) You are unable to answer, because your own beliefs are incoherent nonsense. You have no explanation for what this supposed conspiracy is and what it did, you just mindlessly accept any tinfoil hat theory as long as it includes the critical words "9/11 is a conspiracy!". In short, you are a gullible idiot.
I don't really care which it is, either way, you're just pathetic. Feel free to prove me wrong at any time, by answering the question. -----------
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/03/2009 22:27:24
Originally by: Polkageist but i quit this now. I done my part. I cant take it anymore. Take care and have fun. Its upto YOU now.
Oh, this is such a beautiful line. First 7shining7one7, and now you, running crying away from the forums. I think I'm going to take just a second to enjoy this moment...
Ok, moment enjoyed. Goodbye, good riddance, and I will let you leave with this (since I know you can't help coming back to read your thread):
CONCESSION ACCEPTED, BITCH.
Now get off my forums, and don't come back. -----------
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