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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:45:00 -
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Linkage
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:53:00 -
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It is more nonsense. How about "oh, look, you can't compare this with that, since they didn't have a metric buttload of plane fuel burning inside".
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Polkageist on 01/03/2009 12:55:04 Edited by: Polkageist on 01/03/2009 12:54:48 yeah we will see akita.
edit: but since you are mr. know it all, why dont you run for god allmighty???
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:57:00 -
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It looks like the same link you posted earlier this week, which got locked.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:58:00 -
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but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy It looks like the same link you posted earlier this week, which got locked.
yeah he dont know what hes doing...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist why dont you run for god allmighty
god is dead and it's a sucky job, nobody really wants it
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:02:00 -
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yeah try to humor yourself out of it... I guess that use to work.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
Lol. Somebody doesn't like to be disagreed with.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:03:00 -
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Akita doesnt eve wanna look at the problem, you can hardly call that disagree.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Polkageist but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
Lol. Somebody doesn't like to be disagreed with.
and yeah if you want forumpower just post that this thread is full of nonsense.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:46:00 -
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Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/03/2009 13:52:51
Originally by: Polkageist Akita doesnt eve wanna look at the problem, you can hardly call that disagree.
The problem being you just can't conceive that it all WAS just what it seemed to be ? That being a suicide attack by people who hated "America" with such fanaticism as to see it hurt even if it cost them their lives ? That you can't accept that it was a major screw-up of lazy, incompetent, much-too-well-paid people in high places, people who probably suspected or even knew it was coming but did nothing for various selfish and non-conspiracy-theory reasons ? That EVERYTHING you saw happen on live TV can be explained perfectly by JUST what you saw on live TV and other government-released footage ? That you are crazy enough to WANT this to be a conspiracy theory instead of facing the fact USA has simply F-U-C-K-E-D U-P ?!?
Oh, yeah, and I'M THE ONE that doesn't want to look at the problem.
Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
That can properly be explained by two things:
* expert opinions are like ass-holes, everybody's got a different one, if you look hard enough you will find enough of them supporting your prefered side of the "truth"
* some people just can't accept the fact there simply might be nobody "outside" to blame other than the obvious suspects, so they just have to invent some outlandish theories of greater, stronger evils (you know, like when a bunch of guys get beaten up by a much smaller enemy, they start convincing themselves the enemy had help, that they were betrayed.... basically anything EXCEPT accept that they screwed up and the enemy beat them badly, but fair and square)
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:51:00 -
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yeah your right, america is ****ed... you should have rooted out the junta when Eisenhower warned you about the military industrial complex.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:54:00 -
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"The problem being you just can't conceive that it all WAS just what it seemed to be ?"
i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:55:00 -
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The problem with you is thinking that "the new world order" thingy (if it even existed in the first place, which it SADLY doesn't) would be a bad thing for the common man or for the country, or for mankind in general, in the long run.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
That can properly be explained by two things: * expert opinions are like ass-holes, everybody's got a different one, if you look hard enough you will find enough of them supporting your preferred side of the "truth" * some people just can't accept the fact there's nobody "outside" to blame other than the obvious suspects
I can't help but see some similarities with the scientific peer review process and the criticism that it gets every once in awhile. I find it hard to just assume that all these people are wrong. Note that usually, the ones shouting the loudest about conspiracy theories are also the ones who would have something to lose if those theories proved to be real.
Either way, I'm gonna stand by the sideline and watch how this progresses.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
Now the question is... WHO lied to you ?
The guys that fed you the answers on 9/12, or one month later, or one year later... or is it the guys that fed you the "truth" just recently ? Would you be surprised to find out they were ALL telling the truth ? As in, they were both convinced they were telling the truth, or most of it anyway ? Or, would you be even more surprised to find out BOTH parties are wrong ? As in, neither of them has any clue to EXACTLY what happened ?
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
besides the architects and engineers theres the Intelligence veterans, senators, guvenors, MEP's, generals... The list goes on and on. Why are they putting their careers in jeopardy? "oh because they are CONSPIRACY THEORISTS which mr. bush told us we should not allow, so we could kill arabs ad libitum" (irony 100%)
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Polkageist i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
Now the question is... WHO lied to you ?
The guys that fed you the answers on 9/12, or one month later, or one year later... or is it the guys that fed you the "truth" just recently ? Would you be surprised to find out they were ALL telling the truth ? As in, they were both convinced they were telling the truth, or most of it anyway ? Or, would you be even more surprised to find out BOTH parties are wrong ? As in, neither of them has any clue to EXACTLY what happened ?
yeah lets find out what happened shall we, just get over it.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The problem with you is thinking that "the new world order" thingy (if it even existed in the first place, which it SADLY doesn't) would be a bad thing for the common man or for the country, or for mankind in general, in the long run.
A new world order would be bad.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:02:00 -
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anyways, gotta go do some stuff, peace!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz I can't help but see some similarities with the scientific peer review process and the criticism that it gets every once in awhile. I find it hard to just assume that all these people are wrong. Note that usually, the ones shouting the loudest about conspiracy theories are also the ones who would have something to lose if those theories proved to be real.
Could it have been a conspiracy ? Possible. But then, you would have to have a HUGE amount of people, including some that sacrificed their lives to help afterwards, or some that survived all that, all of them saying absolutely nothing. Can YOU keep a secret for 7 years ? A secret you are dying to tell ? A secret eating at you badly ? A secret that would incriminate people that just LOST the power in the last election ? How may people do you know that COULD hold on to such a secret ? And how many people ACTUALLY came out saying they KNEW the stuff all the conspiracy theorists are touting as possible/probable/whatever to actually be true ? Name some names ? Or at least identify some faces ? Confess to being part of the willing sacrifice of USA citizens for the economic glory of a lapsed regime ? SERIOUSLY ?
Now, on the other hand, you have the "Occam's Razor" version of the "truth", which is almost identical to the official story... that what you see is what it was, and that everything DOES fit exactly as observed without needing to conjure up planted explosives or shadowy conspiracies or anything like that.
I'll let you decide what's more probable for yourself. I offer no certainties, only probabilities... and reason.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:36:00 -
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1) Go HERE.
2) READ
3) LEARN
4) Stop being a MORON believing in crazy wild conspiracy theories.
5) Stop cluttering up OOPE with stupidity.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Can YOU keep a secret for 7 years ? A secret you are dying to tell ? A secret eating at you badly ? A secret that would incriminate people that just LOST the power in the last election ? How may people do you know that COULD hold on to such a secret ? And how many people ACTUALLY came out saying they KNEW the stuff all the conspiracy theorists are touting as possible/probable/whatever to actually be true ? Name some names ? Or at least identify some faces ? Confess to being part of the willing sacrifice of USA citizens for the economic glory of a lapsed regime ?
Look at cold-war china and Russia and the scandals they managed to cover up but which were eventually unearthed. More recently, dubious aspects of the summer Olympics, and a very..weird..Chinese space walk. Having seen interviews with 'average' Chinese students, It's quite improbably what their government is pulling off on a massive scale - corruption of historical facts, to name a very important one. It happened then, why would it be impossible to do it now?
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen 1) Go HERE.
2) READ
3) LEARN
4) Stop being a MORON believing in crazy wild conspiracy theories.
5) Stop cluttering up OOPE with stupidity.
Just like to point out that I havnt decided either way, but those de-bunks are far from believable, they are also clearly biased as it describes it's de-bunks as "FACTS" as opposed to their "opinion".
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:21:00 -
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For the conspiracy theories it would require the work of a lot of people keeping their mouth shut or lieing in a consistant way.
The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Just like to point out that I havnt decided either way, but those de-bunks are far from believable, they are also clearly biased as it describes it's de-bunks as "FACTS" as opposed to their "opinion".
Um, That's how a debunking WORKS. You take the theory, find FACTS and test the theory against provable FACTS.
Popular Mechanics has done the definitive debunking of all the major 9/11 myths. There are NO MORE questions, SCIENCE has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that what we saw on 9/11 is exactly what happened; A bunch of terrorists flew planes into buildings. Period.
If, at this point you honestly still have questions, you are either:
a) An irrational kook. Please seek proper psychiatric help
b) Woefully uninformed or misinformed and need to read through the article and educate yourself.
c) Someone who needs to take a course on logical thinking (yes, they are available) and then re-read the article.
d) Some combination of the above 3 choices.
That's not intended as an insult to anyone. Really. But this HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. the Truth (capital "T") is known. If you are willing to accept it. I choose to live in reality, where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
One last comment, about the idea of a conspiracy theory. A quote from THIS article:
Quote: My father was interred at Arlington National Cemetery in 2002. I will never forget that day. It changed my life, and it was the event that started me writing here at Eject! Eject! Eject!
The man who coordinated that service was on a hill about a half-mile from that side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th, 2001. He told me that they had been informed that something was going on in New York that morning. Then he heard something that he said he thought was a missile attack -- a roar so loud and so far beyond a normal jet sound that he looked up at that exact moment expecting to die.
What he saw emerge from the trees overhead, perhaps a hundred feet above him, was American Airlines Flight 77 as it went by in a silver blur, engines screaming in a power dive as it hit the near side of the Pentagon. He told me -- to my face -- that body parts had rained down all over that sacred field. Just like red hail on a summer day. Those body parts are buried in a special place at the base of that hill.
Now. If Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of that Lunatic Brigade is right and I am wrong, then that man -- that insignificant Army chaplain and his Honor Guard of forty men -- are all liars. He is lying to me for Halliburton and Big Oil. That Chaplain -- and all of those decent, patriotic young men in the Honor Guard, and all the commuters on the roads who saw an American Airlines jet instead of a missile -- all of those people are liars and accessories to murder. And all of the firefighters who went into buildings rigged to explode were pre-recruited suicide martyrs dying for George W. Bush's plans for world conquest. Remember: NOTHING that happened on September 11th needed any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact... namely, that Islamic terrorists hijacked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.
It's an obscenity. It's a filthy, God-damned, criminal obscenity. Nothing less.
And he is right. I find 9/11 myths offensive, and so should any intelligent person.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 01/03/2009 16:18:04 Bish, you are an American right? That makes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
That is the one argument keeping me somewhere in the middle of all this. Question though, why the need to always label people like that and consistently talk down on them?
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
Not sure what you mean by the american and religeous thing, but I agree his reply is hilarious, his idea of being right is that anyone who disagrees with him is mentally ill.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 16:20:45
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Pan Galactic Traders
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon For the conspiracy theories it would require the work of a lot of people keeping their mouth shut or lieing in a consistant way.
No it doesn't. All it requires is a stranglehold on the media by whichever method, although buying large sections of it and installing Quisling editors seems to work well.
In the UK, there is the government's effective immunity from the Freedom of Information Act, when it chooses to exercise it because hearing about shady goings on is "not in the public interest". I don't know exactly how things work in this respect in other countries, but I should imagine anywhere with a bureaucracy has something similar in place.
Is this so surprising? How does the general public get to hear about anything dodgy, if the courts are bent, the government is bent and the media is owned by those who control the courts and the government, or are in debt to them for whatever reason? If you were in power and doing something illegal, but had control of the media, would you allow them to report it?
The internet is of limited help here, as for every site with something relevant and thought provoking to add to the mix, there are seemingly dozens of lunatic ones with badly thought through BS. Of course, conspiracy theorists would say that some of the more crackpot stuff is out there to discredit conspiracy theories in general, and to make all dissenteres look bad by association... Although if David Icke is actually right about the Lizard-folk from outer space and not just a grade A nutjob, we'll all look like ****s in any case.
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
The fact that any come to light at all, if the media has it's own agenda above and beyond reporting of the facts, should give you some indication of how big the iceberg could be.
Of course, the crooks and scumbags pulling the strings can point to the odd example of someone daft enough to get caught (or possibly thrown from the sleigh) and say "See; there is no conspiracy. There is justice and fair play". Two words here; recoverable alzheimers.
There is no way that I can (currently) prove to anyone who has set their mind against it that there are any conspiracies at all.
Equally, there is no way that anyone can convince me that some conspiracy theories are fiction.
Time will tell, but given the propensity for lying to their own people and lining their own pockets shown by every government I've ever even heard about going back as far as history does, it would be naive of me, in the extreme, to assume that it has all stopped just because the current crop of politicos is telling us it has.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
Your world? when you say that! Is that the world in your own mind? Because the world I "know" I live in is nothing like that, the world I live in is controlled by Monetarism which by any intelectuals point of view is far from scientific or rationally moral.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 01/03/2009 16:26:25
Originally by: Bish Ounen where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
In the world I live in there are scientists questioning the validity of the official explanation of what happened back in 2001, what does this tell you? Not that they are necessarily wrong or right, but that a more thorough explanation is needed..
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Gaiam
Gallente Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:37:00 -
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yall are like sheep being led to slaughter, except for the OP.
grow brains plz, there is only one reality and it is not faith or belief based, it is fact based.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:46:47 Incidentally, the site the OP linked to is run by Richard Gage. A KNOWN conspiracy theorist and crackpot.
So if you think you are getting "Real Science" on that site, you are kidding yourself. Gage is a pathological liar, a shyster and a sham. He knows NOTHING about which he speaks, and pads his "experts" list with more than 90% gullible college students. (along with the occasional JOURNALIST mysteriously listed in the "engineering experts" group.)
On the other hand, check out PART of the "sources" section on the Popular Mechanics 9/11 debunking article. It's a who's who of the best of the best in all engineering disciplines.
So while some of you are busy laughing at your little jokes "Hey! He's a 'Murrican an theys all religious idiots! That's funee! Hurr hurr hurr!" or making nonsensical comments about money and banking conspiriacies, the REST of us are living in REALITY where the scientific method and facts determine the truth.
Have the courage to accept the Truth. You will be better for it.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
No religious discussion on OOPE. That includes slamming religious people.
Oh, and I never said I was religious. I said I believed in "Rational Morality" Also known as "Objectivist" morality.
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American? __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:50:59
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sokratesz
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American?
I think I can cover that for you. He hates people of faith and Americans. It's that simple, he's a BIGOT.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/03/2009 17:50:59
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Sokratesz
So it is, unintentionally hilarious. Brb, laughing out loud over your hypocrisy.
Would you like to explain this "hypocrisy" for this obviously ignorant, god-fearing, American?
I think I can cover that for you. He hates people of faith and Americans. It's that simple, he's a BIGOT.
My implication was that because I'm American I must be ignorant, arrogant, and God-fearing to the point of ignoring reason - it didn't come across well, I'm tired :b
There's too much anti-America hate on these boards, makes me sad __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
My implication was that because I'm American I must be ignorant, arrogant, and God-fearing to the point of ignoring reason - it didn't come across well, I'm tired :b
There's too much anti-America hate on these boards, makes me sad
Agreed.
that's why i just put in a request in the "rules" post at the top to ban both the loony conspiracy threads and the Anti <nationality> posts. Although most of the posts are usually Anti-American, bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
If, at this point you honestly still have questions, you are either:
a) An irrational kook. Please seek proper psychiatric help
b) Woefully uninformed or misinformed and need to read through the article and educate yourself.
c) Someone who needs to take a course on logical thinking (yes, they are available) and then re-read the article.
d) Some combination of the above 3 choices.
If you are 'god fearing' and subscribe to what he said here, then yes, you are a hypocrite. Nothing against Americans, there's an awful lot of great ones.
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mercyonman
Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T It is more nonsense. How about "oh, look, you can't compare this with that, since they didn't have a metric buttload of plane fuel burning inside".
for once in my life time i agree with you
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
Yes like your constant use of derogatory words like "crack pot" to describe a person you believe has a mental illness, yor words would come across as very offensive to anyone who has suffered a genuine mental illness like depression. So yes bigotry should not be allowed, bye then Bish, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
[45]
I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
[46]
Well just look like people after WW2 was anti-german theres a reason for people being anti-american, but i dont wanna be anti-american cause humans are humans, even japanese and arabs.. please sense the harsh irony of gtfo. And for the record i might be god-fearing, i guess thats part of the reason i just dont sit back but take my share in spreading some truth or whatever you wanna call it. Its not for my fellow man, cause tbh i am a egoistic bastard just like everyone else?
well take care, ill probably try and stay out of the forum with any more threads, just know tahts its up to you to do something.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Sokratesz I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
just for the record i want to state the difference between religion and faith.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Polkageist
Originally by: Sokratesz I find it funny how it's mostly the religious people talking about bigotry, while religion is the worlds most notorious source of bigotry. Nosce te ipsum
just for the record i want to state the difference between religion and faith.
peace!
They are tightly connected. A long time ago, faith turned into religion, and nowadays, most faith originates in religion, as children are reared by their parents to believe a and despise b.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Bish Ounen bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn't be allowed.
Yes like your constant use of derogatory words like "crack pot" to describe a person you believe has a mental illness, yor words would come across as very offensive to anyone who has suffered a genuine mental illness like depression. So yes bigotry should not be allowed, bye then Bish, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Nebulous,
It's quite obvious by your posts so far that you aren't interested in a discussion of the facts, or in even CONSIDERING that the conspiracy theorists MIGHT be wrong. Your only interest is in insulting me and anyone who disagrees with you. I'm sorry that you feel that is necessary.
Particularly since I have gone to such great trouble to point out that the PRIMARY "scientist" behind the website linked by the OP is a known shyster. I have attempted to help you by presenting you with the truth. You chose to insult me in response.
As a wise man once said, Insults are the last refuge of a scoundrel. I will not insult you, you insult yourself far more than I ever could.
Regardless, the 9/11 conspiracy theories are well and truly debunked. Please stop spreading such horrible lies.
Thank you.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:28:00 -
[50]
ooops almost missed popcorn time
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:31:00 -
[51]
Originally by: jason hill ooops almost missed popcorn time
Dunno how much popcorn is left to be had. Looks like the OP has already skedaddled, and I think I've posted enough links to pretty much drive any counter-argument into the ground.
I can always tell I've won when the opposition posters devolve into insults and telling me to go away.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:37:00 -
[52]
*sigh*
As much as I hate to defend religion in any way, religion isn't the problem here. I'm a devout atheist (really, anti-theist) and I agree with what Bish Ounen is saying. The conspiracy theories are pure bull**** and dishonesty. It doesn't matter if 99% of scientists agree that the official story is correct, you're always going to have a few who disagree in any large enough group. And the inevitable result: the tinfoil hatters post a list of names, without bothering to mention that they're a tiny, tiny minority of the experts.
It's just like the intelligent design morons. A while back, they posted a list of "scientists who doubt evolution". The scientific community's response? A matching list of "scientists named Steve who support evolution". Despite people named Steve being around 1-2% of the population, the list of scientists supporting evolution is far longer.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:41:00 -
[53]
As for you, Polkageist, you are still a ****ing idiot and a worthless spambot. Once again, you spam the same links you've already spammed dozens of times, but you a new thread so nobody will see the hilarious ass-kicking I gave you in the previous ones. Unfortunately for you, I saved the link.
Here is the very simple question you refuse to answer:
To what extent were elements of the US government involved in the terrorist attacks on 9/11/01?
a) No direct involvement. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. There were intelligence failures prior to the attacks, but none were deliberate. The attacks were used to advance various political agendas, but they simply took advantage of an opportunity, there was no advance knowledge. (Essentially, the official story is true.)
b) No direct involvement. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. There were intelligence failures, and they were deliberate. To accomplish their goals, the conspiracy deliberately ignored evidence and did nothing to stop the plans by the terrorists, but did nothing to actively assist them.
c) Direct involvement, but only in the planning stages. Four hijacked (by religious fanatics) planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers. The attacks were executed exactly as the official story claims, but some degree of active assistance was given to the terrorists (funding, ignoring evidence, required documents, etc).
d) Direct involvement, including in the actual attacks. Four hijacked planes, three hit, one brought down by the passengers, but (at least some of) the hijackers were members of the conspiracy, not religious terrorists. Note that this would include "remote control planes" or similar theories, as long as the actual attacks consisted of suicide attacks by four airliners.
e) Direct involvement, and it wasn't just hijacked planes. Bombs in the WTC buildings, a missile attack on the pentagon, etc. Four planes were hijacked and crashed, but there was something else adding to the damage.
f) Direct involvement, and there were no hijacked planes at all. Something else hit the pentagon and brought down the WTC towers.
If at any point you wish to have a reasonable discussion of the subject, feel free to answer the question. Or just continue to be a troll and a fraud, and continue your bull**** and evasions.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:55:00 -
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id join the church of the flying spaghetti monster ...awe crap i already have
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:04:00 -
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@ Merin
Last thread was closed by admin so i could not talk to you about ass-kicking. But your own words really say how little you see whats going on when you talk about "ass-kicking". You still think this has anything to do with winning a forum discussion on EVE-online forum.
No matter what i type or what i link you can allways call it bull****, say this and that so i dont really think it will be going anywhere.
But please stop your neofascist junta before they do another false flag.
And to Jason... That popcorn thing made me chuckle Take care
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist Last thread was closed by admin so i could not talk to you about ass-kicking. But your own words really say how little you see whats going on when you talk about "ass-kicking". You still think this has anything to do with winning a forum discussion on EVE-online forum.
Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that your old thread was closed. Maybe you should take the hint and stop spamming the exact same link and pretending your old threads never happened?
And it's not about winning the argument, that would imply that there was ever a discussion in the first place. There is not, and never has been. There has been nothing more than a bull**** fraud (you) spambotting links and failing utterly at doing even the slightest bit of discussion, most likely because you know if you have to defend your position yourself, your fraud and idiocy will be exposed.
Quote: No matter what i type or what i link you can allways call it bull****, say this and that so i dont really think it will be going anywhere.
Ah, "you won't listen anyway", a classic dodge of the cornered fraud. I find it hilarious how much time you spend coming up with excuses for why you can't answer the question, instead of taking a few seconds to answer it. -----------
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:16:00 -
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dont you think its a little to ask that one man, a 26 year old bum from denmark should take responsibility of laying out all the stuf? I just cant do that. I provided some links. The other stuff, get some professionals to do that. I can't do it... if thats a fraud, then i stand guilty.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:19:00 -
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but i quit this now. I done my part. I cant take it anymore. Take care and have fun. Its upto YOU now.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:23:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Polkageist dont you think its a little to ask that one man, a 26 year old bum from denmark should take responsibility of laying out all the stuf? I just cant do that. I provided some links. The other stuff, get some professionals to do that. I can't do it... if thats a fraud, then i stand guilty.
Who said anything about taking responsibility for laying out all of that stuff? All I'm asking for is a single letter, in response to a question about what YOU believe. You know, the mandatory first step in a discussion (as opposed to drive-by link spamming), finding out what position the other person holds.
Since you refuse to answer, we must come to one (or both) of two conclusions:
1) You are unwilling to answer, because you know that if you commit to a position, you will be exposed as a fraud when you are unable to defend that position. By simply spamming links, you keep your arguments too vague to effectively respond to, and allow yourself to always claim "but you haven't proved me wrong yet!!!!".
OR
2) You are unable to answer, because your own beliefs are incoherent nonsense. You have no explanation for what this supposed conspiracy is and what it did, you just mindlessly accept any tinfoil hat theory as long as it includes the critical words "9/11 is a conspiracy!". In short, you are a gullible idiot.
I don't really care which it is, either way, you're just pathetic. Feel free to prove me wrong at any time, by answering the question. -----------
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/03/2009 22:27:24
Originally by: Polkageist but i quit this now. I done my part. I cant take it anymore. Take care and have fun. Its upto YOU now.
Oh, this is such a beautiful line. First 7shining7one7, and now you, running crying away from the forums. I think I'm going to take just a second to enjoy this moment...
Ok, moment enjoyed. Goodbye, good riddance, and I will let you leave with this (since I know you can't help coming back to read your thread):
CONCESSION ACCEPTED, BITCH.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist but i quit this now. I done my part. I cant take it anymore. Take care and have fun. Its upto YOU now.
Indeed, it is up to us. And we have found your "evidence" severely lacking.
From the fact that your so-called "expert" is a fraudster and a sham, to the fact that every single claim he's made has already been completely debunked by REAL scientists. There is nothing for the rational, logical person to conclude that the official story is anything other than the absolute truth.
As I quoted before:
"To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.
It's an obscenity. It's a filthy, God-damned, criminal obscenity. Nothing less."
Please take your obscene conspiracy theories elsewhere. They aren't welcome here.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:39:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Polkageist I cant take it anymore.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.01 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin The scientific community's response? A matching list of "scientists named Steve who support evolution". Despite people named Steve being around 1-2% of the population, the list of scientists supporting evolution is far longer.
Source?
(Also you get WAY too much fun out of this, I'm glad I don't have to disagree with you very often ) __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 23:17:00 -
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http://xkcd.com/258/
The above is easily the most eloquent explanation of conspiracy theory that I've ever seen.
I've no doubt that the OP is perfectly intelligent. I've also got no doubt at all that the OP is applying all of that intelligence toward confirmation bias (i.e., attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is true) rather than scientific method (i.e, attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is false)
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.01 23:26:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Merin Ryskin The scientific community's response? A matching list of "scientists named Steve who support evolution". Despite people named Steve being around 1-2% of the population, the list of scientists supporting evolution is far longer.
Source?
(Also you get WAY too much fun out of this, I'm glad I don't have to disagree with you very often )
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David Kang
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Posted - 2009.03.01 23:43:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Stitcher http://xkcd.com/258/
The above is easily the most eloquent explanation of conspiracy theory that I've ever seen.
I've no doubt that the OP is perfectly intelligent. I've also got no doubt at all that the OP is applying all of that intelligence toward confirmation bias (i.e., attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is true) rather than scientific method (i.e, attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is false)
That's all a conspiracy theory is- a failure to apply the scientific method.
Whoa did you fail science??
That isn't even close to scientific method.
Scientific method
"Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context."
What we are dealing with here is nothing more then flawed logic.
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annoing
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist Linkage
I smell another fuking idiot like shining here ...
Try to keep up dear boy, we live in the real world, you live in an asylum ... ask the docs for stronger medication ok .. theres a good loony ... straight jacket not too tight is it? hmmm? thats nice /me pats your head and walks off shaking head in a sympathetic manner
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: David Kang
Originally by: Stitcher http://xkcd.com/258/
The above is easily the most eloquent explanation of conspiracy theory that I've ever seen.
I've no doubt that the OP is perfectly intelligent. I've also got no doubt at all that the OP is applying all of that intelligence toward confirmation bias (i.e., attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is true) rather than scientific method (i.e, attempting to prove that his preferred version of events is false)
That's all a conspiracy theory is- a failure to apply the scientific method.
Whoa did you fail science??
That isn't even close to scientific method.
Scientific method
"Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context."
What we are dealing with here is nothing more then flawed logic.
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Blind Man
Caldari Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:31:00 -
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THERE IS NO 9/11 COMPIRACY YOU MORONS.
also there was an amazing post on Dr. Sanity but I can't find it >.>
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.02 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 02/03/2009 06:11:39 Merin I was setting up for a brilliant punchline :@
And I disagree that this has much to do with 'the scientific method'. I am presented with facts, observations but most of all a whole lot of opinions. I do not have the expertise to weigh them all for what they're worth so I am dependent on others to do that for me. Both camps take turns shouting why they are right and the rest is wrong which gets bloody annoying.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.02 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nebulous on 02/03/2009 06:11:31 Edited by: Nebulous on 02/03/2009 06:11:15
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Nebulous,
It's quite obvious by your posts so far that you aren't interested in a discussion of the facts, or in even CONSIDERING that the conspiracy theorists MIGHT be wrong. Your only interest is in insulting me and anyone who disagrees with you. I'm sorry that you feel that is necessary.
Particularly since I have gone to such great trouble to point out that the PRIMARY "scientist" behind the website linked by the OP is a known shyster. I have attempted to help you by presenting you with the truth. You chose to insult me in response.
As a wise man once said, Insults are the last refuge of a scoundrel. I will not insult you, you insult yourself far more than I ever could.
Regardless, the 9/11 conspiracy theories are well and truly debunked. Please stop spreading such horrible lies.
Thank you.
Bish you have obviously not been reading my posts, I pointed out ealier that I did not take either side. Insult you? Please quote text where I have insulted you? If you read your own post you will see that you are the one that uses insults, like derogatory words that you use to describe people with mental illness.
..Or were you reffering to when I called you a biggot? (a word you like to throw at others) Well that isnt an insult, it's the truth, if I showed your posts to a mental health charity or mental health support group i'm 100% sure they would agree with me.
So Bish, next time please read before you reply.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 06:26:00 -
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The scientific method has yet to *prove* what gravity is, or why it exists. The founding blocks of what keeps our feet on the ground.
Many scientists have developed theories, including everything from a form of magnetism which works on a planetary level, to bends and warps in space time.
When you get down to it, science and scientists are no better than the rest of us. Wild guesses and estimation, in the best of times. They vaunt 'truth' just like the religious nutjobs they hate so much.
Words like 'truth' and 'fact' are more often then not easily replaced with 'opinion'. Educated opinions or baseless opinions, but still opinions.
It's a random as hell world we live in. Stuff happens, things we cannot explain and that make little or no sense. Use whatever bit of 'faith' you have to if it eases your conscious. But don't make the error of thinking that just because you see something one way, it is automatically right.
It's just your take on things.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.02 08:57:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ruze The scientific method has yet to *prove* what gravity is, or why it exists. The founding blocks of what keeps our feet on the ground.
Many scientists have developed theories, including everything from a form of magnetism which works on a planetary level, to bends and warps in space time.
When you get down to it, science and scientists are no better than the rest of us. Wild guesses and estimation, in the best of times. They vaunt 'truth' just like the religious nutjobs they hate so much.
Words like 'truth' and 'fact' are more often then not easily replaced with 'opinion'. Educated opinions or baseless opinions, but still opinions.
It's a random as hell world we live in. Stuff happens, things we cannot explain and that make little or no sense. Use whatever bit of 'faith' you have to if it eases your conscious. But don't make the error of thinking that just because you see something one way, it is automatically right.
It's just your take on things.
Are you aiming for "most wrong post of the year" award? Scientists never claim to hold "the truth", and their "wild guesses and estimations" are always backed up by rigourous testing. ____________________
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.02 09:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ruze
When you get down to it, science and scientists are no better than the rest of us. Wild guesses and estimation, in the best of times. They vaunt 'truth' just like the religious nutjobs they hate so much.
wts: clue
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CCP Edo
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Posted - 2009.03.02 09:36:00 -
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Political discussion is not permitted.Edo
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