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Avaleric
Amarr
SC Special Circumstances
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Posted - 2009.03.03 08:05:00 -
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I'm gonna quote House on this one:
"People are idiots!"
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 08:29:00 -
[62]
Too Little, Too late.
You could have made this decision months ago when the it was aparent the channel was no longer helpfull to new players, and the tradition of belittling players interested in the Exploration hobby had been instilled in channel regulars wanting to look cool infront of the channel mods. The fact the discover channel had to be made should have told you that there was a serious problem that needed to be addressed.
Discovery channel Numbers grow each week, and its quite aparent which channel will be recommended to new players with the M10 Patch.
Your Decision is a step in the right direction Phyrr, but honestly you could have looked at the numerous complaints in the forums over the last couple of months and stopped the attitude in the channel before it was ingrained in the culture of members there.
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.03 08:53:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Joe
Too Little, Too late.
You could have made this decision months ago when the it was aparent the channel was no longer helpfull to new players, and the tradition of belittling players interested in the Exploration hobby had been instilled in channel regulars wanting to look cool infront of the channel mods. The fact the discover channel had to be made should have told you that there was a serious problem that needed to be addressed.
Discovery channel Numbers grow each week, and its quite aparent which channel will be recommended to new players with the M10 Patch.
Your Decision is a step in the right direction Phyrr, but honestly you could have looked at the numerous complaints in the forums over the last couple of months and stopped the attitude in the channel before it was ingrained in the culture of members there.
I have been in hospital and have some very serious RL issues to deal with. I have been back in eve for 2 weeks or so and I have been looking at the evidence. I disappeared from eve in september so as you can see thats quite some time for things to go askew. I shall be appointing new moderators over the next few weeks - those that show their knowledge off proudly and are active will be approached. Even if I am not talking I search the chat logs for things to moderate what is going on.
The culture will change. An Anarchyyt - say what you will about the guy is hyper intelligent, he joined the operator list before he was a goon and used to be very helpful. He has apologized for his behavior to me and explained his side extensively, he also understands that this is not personal.
I am now in the Discovery channel too, to learn and to help. More options is never a bad thing, a monopoly on information channels intrinsic to game mechanics is never healthy.
Join us in the Exploration channel.
The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty. |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.03 09:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Avaleric
I'm gonna quote House on this one:
"People are idiots!"
And I'm going to quote myself on this one:
"That's an understatement."
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Charlie Hicks
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Posted - 2009.03.03 12:57:00 -
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I'm going to have to say I haven't found it that bad. When the guides are right there and players still insist on asking, step by step, for the most basic information then I think it's sensible that they are directed to those guides.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.03 16:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Abrazzar
Next on the news: GS creating alts to spam Exploration channel like a provoked bee swarm.
That would be p. funny if the general GS membership gave a crap
Then I can safely say you don't "get" Goons. And what's even funnier is that you're a goon  . That is exactly what GS is about, giving a crap about little annoyances, p*ssng people off and then giggling about it.
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Illiya
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Abrazzar
Next on the news: GS creating alts to spam Exploration channel like a provoked bee swarm.
That would be p. funny if the general GS membership gave a crap
Then I can safely say you don't "get" Goons. And what's even funnier is that you're a goon . That is exactly what GS is about, giving a crap about little annoyances, p*ssng people off and then giggling about it.
99% of goons don't know there is an exploration channel, and so thus, cannot give a crap.
we're too busy trolling kenny out of delve, sorry vOv
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:30:00 -
[68]
There's an exploration channel?
Does it provide any additional benefits on top of what the wiki, forums and squad chat already provide?
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Ben Ammon
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:40:00 -
[69]
About two weeks ago Anan was being rude and caustic to me and a couple of beginners who were asking questions. I final said he needed to mind his manners. He proceeded to bounce me from the channel.
Good decision, something needed to be done.
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Boknamar
Gallente
The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2009.03.04 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
There's an exploration channel?
Does it provide any additional benefits on top of what the wiki, forums and squad chat already provide?
It does now. Goonswarm is allowed in those other venues. 
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Sir Molly
Caldari
ELTIE PVPER'S
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Posted - 2009.03.04 02:03:00 -
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i used that channel once and that banned guy helped me :)
well, toodles.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.04 02:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Venomire
There's an exploration channel?
Does it provide any additional benefits on top of what the wiki, forums and squad chat already provide?
no, don't join it.
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Arpad Elo
Gallente
Ascendant Mining and Manufacturing
Prosperity Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:08:00 -
[73]
fwiw I think goon's big enough to host their own exploration channel and there's no need to invite them back.
With 6k members they should be able to provide that knowledge in-house.
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Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2009.03.04 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Smacktalking Alt on 04/03/2009 15:00:08
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The world is a dangerous place for stupid people; their one advantage is strength in numbers. |
Takon Orlani
Caldari
Rowdy Ramblers
Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.04 15:11:00 -
[75]
ITT: Moltov vs Goons.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Phyrr
Goons will be allowed back into the channel M10
Get some backbone man!
Originally by: Phyrr
Should they persist with "pubbie" talk
Whats a pubby?
SKUNK
(o)
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:08:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Whats a pubby?
SKUNK
The word is Pubbie. It's a word for non-goons, usually the kind who take great offense at the slightest of grievances.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Deal with it.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mel Dareia
Originally by: Taedrin
Why do people find it so hard to be respectful and mature around each other on the internet?
Because most people ARE morons. Add the anonymity of the internet and the ability to behave in a way that would get them beaten up in RL without any real consequences and voila: your typical internet a**hole.
People don't get beaten up IRL beyond high school either. It all turns into PC passive aggressive back stabbery.
You can always spot someone still in elementary/high school when they say something like, "you'd get punched IRL".
Children think it works as a social reprimand. Adults know they'll go to jail for it.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:45:00 -
[79]
Goons are like a kid that shakes up a bottle of soda, then pops the top right in the middle of a funeral.
They have no class at all, but we all secretly want to laugh.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:47:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
People don't get beaten up IRL beyond high school either. It all turns into PC passive aggressive back stabbery.
You can always spot someone still in elementary/high school when they say something like, "you'd get punched IRL".
Children think it works as a social reprimand. Adults know they'll go to jail for it.
you've clearly never been to jail.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.04 17:03:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
People don't get beaten up IRL beyond high school either...
WOW. What magical country do you live in and can i move there without having access to a flying carpet?
SKUNK
(o)
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.04 18:59:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Phyrr
Goons will be allowed back into the channel M10
Get some backbone man!
SKUNK
I have plenty thanks, I'd rather not exclude anyone tbqh.
Join us in the Exploration channel.
The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 19:27:00 -
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It was fine last time I went there
My only complaint was a little too much of "READ THE GUIDES IN THE MOTD OMFG STFU!!  " sort of attitude whenever someone new to exploration comes in and asks a question
Protip: If they knew everything they probably wouldn't be in that channel in the first place. You're bound to get plenty of newbies, people just wanting answers to simple questions (that yes, you may have been asked 1000x before and may be covered in whatever guide) but when the regulars act like asses it dosen't help the channel much. 
Most of the time it was fine though (though I haven't been there in a few months)
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Malphilos
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Posted - 2009.03.04 20:02:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
People don't get beaten up IRL beyond high school either. It all turns into PC passive aggressive back stabbery.
You can always spot someone still in elementary/high school when they say something like, "you'd get punched IRL".
Children think it works as a social reprimand. Adults know they'll go to jail for it.
you've clearly never been to jail.
Or Detroit.
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Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.03.04 20:28:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Malphilos
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
People don't get beaten up IRL beyond high school either. It all turns into PC passive aggressive back stabbery.
You can always spot someone still in elementary/high school when they say something like, "you'd get punched IRL".
Children think it works as a social reprimand. Adults know they'll go to jail for it.
you've clearly never been to jail.
Or Detroit.
Or many of the other major U.S. citys :)
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Pennwisedom
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 21:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Joe
Discovery channel Numbers grow each week, and its quite aparent which channel will be recommended to new players with the M10 Patch.
Recommended by who?
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Zardricks
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:51:00 -
[87]
Not sure all goons make comments like An Anarchyyt did, but ive certainly seen people being ridiculed on the Exploration Channel, and it doesnt fill me with confidence in asking questions. So i quess the right decision was made, to protect the intergrity and impartiality of the channel.
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Mistress Aranata
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:13:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Zardricks
Ive certainly seen people being ridiculed on the Exploration Channel, and it doesn't fill me with confidence in asking questions.
I know what you mean. I was trying to find out whether an agent in space showed as a static. I couldn't find it in the guide, looked high and low. Asked in the exploration channel and was told to 'Read the guide n00b'. I didn't get the answer from the discovery channel either, but at least they gave it a bit of thought before dismissing a basic question out of hand. I'll wait a while before I try the old channel again. See how it goes I guess.
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Demir Hisar
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Posted - 2009.03.05 16:40:00 -
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Last 2 months i just looked and monitored what happens at this channel couse i was banned. I was (am) noob too and i hate when someone always says to me 'ask google'. I know that, i learned a lot from there, but please, do not talk to all with dissrespect. Better stay mute, than type google crap. Someone might answer. When i talked with anarhyst about his attitude, he banned me.
I help to noobs sometime, why not. And i give them google link if i can find his problem faster and easier than he(she). i do not need channel when i always get 'ask google' answer.
Maybe my questions are for someone noob bothering, but for someone is just lack of experience. If i talked only with people at my level i couldnt ever find anything with probes. And i am not tired when i see same question on channel every day. there is more than 30k people in EVE.
I suport this channel and i hope anarchyst will come back. With mute or answers where is not 'ask google' in it.
Regards, Demir Hisar
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Sajeera
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Posted - 2009.03.08 02:30:00 -
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Let me act on this in a vulgar and blunt Goon style because it fits very well in this.
Originally by: Phyrr
An Anarchyyt - say what you will about the guy is hyper intelligent, he joined the operator list before he was a goon and used to be very helpful. He has apologized for his behavior to me and explained his side extensively, he also understands that this is not personal.
Bwahahaha... hyper inteligent..... apologized???!!!!
I dont know who is this guy in his RL or whats happening there, but the final result is that this guy is bringing his bleeding RL butt in this internet video game, and starting to stroke his e-peen in your channel using the rights that you gave to him.
No doubt he feels better doing it but soon enough the channel is turning into complete garbage and it becomes a place where bored "srs bznz" 0.0 dwellers are just mocking the "stupid carebears" and all the newbies.
Every your question is bringing you only frustration and if the "extremely inteligent guy" is online you can be banned.
On the other side, some explorers, disgusted with all of this are making a new channel - "Discovery", where you can actually get a help and answers without a mocking or a ban.
For the time i've been in "Discovery", ive never seen somebody banned but most important - i've never seen somebody to need to. It is just the channel culture and the kind of people that it attract.
On the other side, "Exploration" become a place where people are hanging just for "da lulz" of mocking somebody or watching the channel admin doing it.
I dont know what explanation this guy gave to you but he is neither "hyper inteligent", neither decent and i cant imagine what reasonable explanation he can give you for turning this once decent channel into complete garbage and mock fest.
Check this tread for better understanding of the situation.
You seems a decent guy and i really wish you all the best with your channel but im affraid it is way too much spoiled by now and will continue to attract people that want to have some lulz or just want to demonstrate their awesomeness like the channel admin used to.
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