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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:03:00 -
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I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community. Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.
Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.
Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions. High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.
Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May. Let's see how close I am in my estimates.
I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game. Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.
You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre. Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.
Datacore farming is being devastated in May. What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?
You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
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ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
612
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:03:00 -
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N'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:05:00 -
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Ow you hit my in my low risk profit. Needs more tears. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:06:00 -
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it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded eh |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:07:00 -
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B-B-B-BUT MY ISK PER HOUUUUURRRRRR!
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Mark Androcius
51
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:07:00 -
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Dude, what are you talking about? If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |

Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:08:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
How did you ever came to this conclusion?
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:09:00 -
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Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec...
You want to earn good ISK...
Go to null sec?
Or can't you handle it? 
Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard  |

Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:10:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded
Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad. I have lived din null sec. I have lived in wh's.
You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:11:00 -
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Also what part of part of "destroying you game" do you not get, I'll be happy to explain. Needs more tears. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:14:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
That might have something to do with the massive effort that serious 0.0 alliances put into holding and securing their space so that they and their members can profit from it. Needs more tears. |

Mark Androcius
51
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:16:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad. I have lived din null sec. I have lived in wh's. You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
That one's actually true.
I find it very strange how people who have always enjoyed the warm comfy protection of the silk goonswarm blanket, accuse 0.5 sec miners for being "weak" or "soft". Also, when i was growing up ( and that's a good couple of years ago ) a carebear was someone who fought for the "good" guys, not a miner or an industrialist, who's trying to have fun by mining and doing industry. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |

Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:17:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec... You want to earn good ISK... Go to null sec? Or can't you handle it?  Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard 
I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null. And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight. No thanks.
I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.
And as for the sub base, over 70% of the chars reside in high sec. The hard core zealots want to turn the clock back to a time when the entire game was anarchy, with a small sub base full of like-minded sociopaths. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
656
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:17:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all. Yep. Nerf Concord too. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose
Remove all incursions from hisec |

Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
111
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:18:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community. Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.
Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.
Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions. High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.
Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May. Let's see how close I am in my estimates.
I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game. Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.
You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre. Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.
Datacore farming is being devastated in May. What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?
You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
Im a bit confused... This is written in a tone that all the above points are bad... kinda confusing since all the above are awesome.
Why dont you and your 70% (70% which are mostly just alts of null sec people by the way) go do something about it, go take some null sec space... or cry some more... whatever works for you really. |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:23:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec... You want to earn good ISK... Go to null sec? Or can't you handle it?  Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard  I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null. And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight. No thanks. I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people. And as for the sub base, over 70% of the chars reside in high sec. The hard core zealots want to turn the clock back to a time when the entire game was anarchy, with a small sub base full of like-minded sociopaths.
Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.
The politics comment...ah I'll give you that 
So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player. |

baltec1
1135
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:25:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad. I have lived din null sec. I have lived in wh's. You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
Only if people fight to make their space safe. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:26:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad. I have lived din null sec. I have lived in wh's. You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
A lot of null-seccers would love to see 0.0 more dengerous via nerfing blobs or local.
But for that to happen first 0.0 must provide more isk than hi sec for avarage player. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
254
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:28:00 -
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You're welcome. |

Wai Ish'inre
The Suicide Kings
8
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:33:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null. And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight. No thanks.
Your loss?
Danfen Fenix wrote:I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.
Judging the people you don't know, isn't that the path to being socially impaired?
Danfen Fenix wrote:Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies  ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.
TEST is recruiting!
Danfen Fenix wrote:So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player.
We are also pretty helpful to new players as well. Hell some new guy got a tackle this morning and raked in over 850m, just for flying a free Rifter and pointing something that tried to run away. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:35:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies  ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there. The politics comment...ah I'll give you that  So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player. Yeah, some people were gonig to evict us from our homes by febuary. Turns out risk goes both ways and they lost their home instead.
I hear NC. is recruiting people and are very good players at EVE.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:35:00 -
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Wai Ish'inre wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null. And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight. No thanks. Your loss? Danfen Fenix wrote:I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people. Judging the people you don't know, isn't that the path to being socially impaired? Danfen Fenix wrote:Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies  ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there. TEST is recruiting! Danfen Fenix wrote:So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player. We are also pretty helpful to new players as well. Hell some new guy got a tackle this morning and raked in over 850m, just for flying a free Rifter and pointing something that tried to run away.
Eh....why you quoted that as me ?   |

Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:49:00 -
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All my characters currently are in highsec and I think the changes don't go far enough.
I'd like to have a reason to go to null, but with unlimited monetary supply and very competitive isk/h in high, I just can't find any. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
102
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:53:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:Ow you hit my in my low risk profit.
As opposed to Goon's no risk profit? 
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:00:00 -
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As previously pointed out, we have relatively safe space in which to get filthy rich in 0.0 because we fought to own it and continue to fight to keep it secure. I'm fairly sure you don't realise the amount of effort and logistics that go into making such a thing possible because you've never ventured out of the comfort of high sec.
Heh. Needs more tears. |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:05:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:Ow you hit my in my low risk profit. As opposed to Goon's no risk profit? 
Consider how much ISK worth of ships they lose while fighting to make sure that it is no risk...  |

March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:08:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.
I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
well. let's say we have: - incursion runners - 1000-1500 chars - nullsec bears - 30000-40000 chars
I don't think those numbers are too different from real data.
Then your numbers look the more the less good for the game. |

Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:10:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community. Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.
Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.
Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions. High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.
Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May. Let's see how close I am in my estimates.
I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game. Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.
You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre. Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.
Datacore farming is being devastated in May. What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?
You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
You must be new here.
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Emperor Ryan
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
11
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:11:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad. I have lived din null sec. I have lived in wh's. You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
Thats because in null sec we have 'Intel channels' and in High sec anyone could gank you. Of course if you watched Dscan, like 0.0 players do, you'd notice gank catlysts/thrasers before they get on you. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
693
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:15:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base
Every expansion that has expanded warfare and combat mechanics and ships has responded in an upswing in new subs (Dominion, Apocrypha, Crucible, etc). Every expansion centered around risk-free hisec isk and commodity faucets (Tyrannis, Incursion, etc) has resulted in a significant drop in EVE's player growth.
The most steadfast and loyal EVE players have stuck around because they play to be challenged and overcome genuine, emergent obstacles to their goals - not to tour a theme park with blinking wallets. HTH |
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