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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:36:00 -
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I thought using of multiple instances at the same time ruined EVE in some ways. Often, here and there some ppl using of "One man army" tactics but its not funny at all.
For example:
first window-abbadon, second-Falcon
first-megathron, second-apocalipse, third-Cerberus, fourth-Falcon
or some all "beloved" macroers wich dig asteroids by two or five accounts simultaneously. What a HECK?! I wish play against real ppl not bunch of alts!
Im suggest NOT a ban of creating multiple accounts possibility, but ban of EVE multiple instances used at SAME time.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:47:00 -
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Hope you have a really good flame suit, you're going to need it. Someone jealous that they can't play more than one account at a time?
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:55:00 -
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 Originally by: NightF0x
Hope you have a really good flame suit, you're going to need it. Someone jealous that they can't play more than one account at a time?
Im jealous? Nope, im able to maintain multiple accounts with ease, but its a bad tendency and i dont wish fate of Lineage2 for EVE-Online for example.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:59:00 -
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Yeah kill one of CCP`s moneymakers. Good move :P (And yes i got multiple ones too.)
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Prometheus
Yeah kill one of CCP`s moneymakers. Good move :P (And yes i got multiple ones too.)
Having multi accounts and running its simultaneously not same thing. And what is your point? Im too have some alts (3 acc.) but use only one at same time.
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: WillageGirl on 07/03/2009 13:16:39
First of all, you are not playing against real people. You are playing againt fictional character created for roleplaying (or other) purposes in fictional universe.
2nd point. Why is it so wrong to play against two characters that are controlled by one person? Not to mention that short of sitting right next to the player, you really cant tell for sure if the same player is actually playing both characters or not now can you...?
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:25:00 -
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Hell no, this would kill my great solo joyride in a carrior.
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Callista Sincera
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Sincera on 07/03/2009 13:30:38
Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
or some all "beloved" macroers wich dig asteroids by two or five accounts simultaneously. What a HECK?! I wish play against real ppl not bunch of alts!
a) Not going to happen. Otherwise they'd never have added the "Show window identification"-option in the first place. Its only purpose is to make it easier to manage multiple accounts. So CCP's stance on this is already perfectly clear.
b) Not all miners are macroers. I whish people would stop *****ing about miners. Most of them are decent people who don't deserve the constant harrassments and trial-account-catalyst-suicide ganks.
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: WillageGirl
Edited by: WillageGirl on 07/03/2009 13:16:39
You are playing againt fictional character created for roleplaying (or other)
2nd point. Why is it so wrong to play against two characters that are controlled by one person?
1. Hey, you really able roleplay Caldari and Amarr at SAME time? Remember Gollum from LOTR? Be careful of dissociative identity disorder
2. Playing multichars at same time sorta cheat i thought. (see above)
3. I CAN tell for sure because i already know a lot of ppl ruling pocket armyes of alts.
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Sincera
Edited by: Callista Sincera on 07/03/2009 13:30:38
b) Not all miners are macroers. I whish people would stop *****ing about miners. .
Hey calm down. No offence against normal miners. I understand what you talking about 
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.07 14:15:00 -
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You can tell by your assumptions that they are same person, try to proove it if i will run different wine instance for ever eve client/just run other client on my laptop. It would be dead rule.
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Morgan Bernhardt on 07/03/2009 14:27:36
Originally by: Valandril
You can tell by your assumptions that they are same person, try to proove it if i will run different wine instance for ever eve client/just run other client on my laptop. It would be dead rule.
Yes you are right, its hard to proof. but anyway its hardly reduce multi instance using.
Almost any rule had a exploit, but rule with exploit best then no any rule at all.
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.07 14:56:00 -
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This thread:
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
This thread:
After you reply to this forum
read RULE
if first try wont help repeat until realize
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Edited by: Morgan Bernhardt on 07/03/2009 15:19:20
Originally by: Johli
This thread:
After you reply to this forum
read RULE "Constructive feedback is good. Posting "That's an awful idea," is not constructive".
if first try wont help repeat until realize
maybe if you didn't post such ridiculous and ******ed ideas you wouldn't need to be flamed.
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203
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:43:00 -
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This is like restricting Houses to have only one Room, you can't be in more than one at a Time anyway.
I know it's exaggerated, but Sarcasm is that way.
It's all fun and Games 'till someone's broke :)
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 07/03/2009 16:46:08
Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Im suggest NOT a ban of creating multiple accounts possibility, but ban of EVE multiple instances used at SAME time.
The truth is that what you're saying IS in fact an awful idea.
1. There's absolutely no difference between one player controlling multiple accounts simultaneously vs. a group of players controlling single accounts - the end result is the same as far as you're concerned. I guess I don't understand what your motivation really is.
2. How exactly would EVE implement this ban on running multiple clients? If they restrict account access by IP, they run into the issue of blocking multiple people playing the game at the same time from a single address (i.e. a family). And they have no control over how many different EVE folders I choose to have on my PC to open different clients simultaneously.
3. Oh, yea, it would wipe out roughly 80% of CCP's revenue, and you won't have a game to complain about.
I suspect the issue you're having has other solutions you could have thought about that were less drastic, but your initial instinct was to kill the game because some ganked you and you thought it wasn't fair. That only says something about you frankly...
Meanwhile, here's a link to some goodies you might enjoy: Linkage
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: NightF0x
maybe if you didn't post such ridiculous and ******ed ideas you wouldn't need to be flamed.
This idea ridiculous? Yes, ridiculous for isk farmers and "one man army" gamers.
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 07/03/2009 16:55:57
Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Originally by: NightF0x
maybe if you didn't post such ridiculous and ******ed ideas you wouldn't need to be flamed.
This idea ridiculous? Yes, ridiculous for isk farmers and "one man army" gamers.
How about casual gamers ? On one client i'm pvping as we speak while trading on other. Damn my one man army owning your ships and economy!
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: 203
This is like restricting Houses to have only one Room, you can't be in more than one at a Time anyway.
I know it's exaggerated, but Sarcasm is that way.
Good reply  but noone prevent you relogin your other character and look at other room.
I have three chars (pvp, miner-prods, invent) and can cover that most popular game occupancy whitout any problems
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:10:00 -
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ISK farming, eh?
Well... if it's done legally, and the ISK is in turn spent to buy your GTC, which continues your account so you can continue to play the game... then suck it up.
If it is macro's farming, to turn around and sell the ISK on eBay, then petition to get the macro's banned. Since CCP has said that multiple accounts are legal, but macros aren't.
One man army?
You are one player, focused on the actions of one ship. You jump into a gate camp of 5 ships, each being controlled by the same single player on multiple clients. Unless said player actually has 5 different computers setup in some Command Center configuration, he's gonna have to alt-tab between ships which takes time.
So you could have arrived in an Inty/Runner/CovOps... in which case the player will need to switch to something fast to catch you. If you cloak or fly off too fast, then he's lost.
If you arrive in something large and angry, like a BS... then he's gonna have to switch to something that can survive your alpha and deal it back as well.
Point being, a single player can not present a viable assault force by themselves. So what you're really complaining about is just single player mining ops. In which case... it's perfectly legal so long as they aren't using macros to do it.
Find another belt, or another system of belts, and go on about your business.
When CCP has made it obvious that they intend "alts" to be separate accounts, are making the Lite client easier to have multiples open at once, and are facilitating account subscriptions being paid for entirely with in-game money... you're complaining about features that "are functioning as intended."
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Don't take my ranting personally. I may just be arguing the topic, unless you're saying something stupid, and then I mean every word.
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203
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:31:00 -
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Marcus, you actualy can play without Alt-Tabbing...
All it takesis a good PC and a Bunch of Screens.
It's all fun and Games 'till someone's broke :)
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
ISK farming, eh?
and the ISK is in turn spent to buy your GTC, which continues your account so you can continue to play the game... then suck it up.
Hey, if you dont able to spent small amount of $-its your problem. try looking for pay-free online games.
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:33:00 -
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Look at me! I can't afford/use/run more than one account, so nobody else is allowed to!
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: 203
Marcus, you actualy can play without Alt-Tabbing...
All it takesis a good PC and a Bunch of Screens.
Yeah you right. Just need good widescreen. Example:
One man gang
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
ISK farming, eh?
and the ISK is in turn spent to buy your GTC, which continues your account so you can continue to play the game... then suck it up.
Hey, if you dont able to spent small amount of $-its your problem. try looking for pay-free online games.
Hmm... 5 accounts to operate a small mining op. $15 x 5 = $75. $75 != "a small amount of $"
Besides, a small mining op, working diligently over a weekend or two can easily afford the PLEX to remain self sustaining. And since CCP themselves invented the PLEX... I kinda think that's how they intended it to work.
Nice try! But cry me a river, then build a bridge, and get over it. Just don't forget to bottle those tears, because Pirates like to use them to fuel their Capacitors.
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Don't take my ranting personally. I may just be arguing the topic, unless you're saying something stupid, and then I mean every word.
"Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Hmm... 5 accounts to operate a small mining op. $15 x 5 = $75. $75 != "a small amount of $"
Well...im play EVE for fun. It do not require five! mining accounts unless you plan to trade isks on ebay.
And we have 15x2=30$, third account isk payed (its just example related to me).
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:05:00 -
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I don't have 5 accounts either... it was just an example. But it's an example of people I do know.
Perhaps this 5 man mining op is working toward Low/Null mining. They are supporting 5 accounts, as well as saving up for a proper Rorqual.
Perhaps this 5 man mining op also has PvP alts in the other slots on each account. They are saving for a Rorqual, while also trying to replace ships and fittings lost in combat.
The point is... not everyone is a ISK Farmer. And trying to completely revamp the system, to combat an extremely limited minority of the players, is just cheating the majority of honest players.
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Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means the terrorists win.
"Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Deimi
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Hmm... 5 accounts to operate a small mining op. $15 x 5 = $75. $75 != "a small amount of $".
5 accounts? Lollerskates, you guys are out of touch of the level this have developed into.
Look at the massive amount of alts run by scripts nearly around the clock in a multitude of empire space by Southern Cross Empire and their associated corporations.
Yes have a look and get one eye opener how certain players amass enormous amounts of ISK and then think about how that money are used.
Is it a new forum rule. That for everyone posting something you don't agree on. You should accuse them of being a troll? ;) |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Deimi
Look at the massive amount of alts run by scripts nearly around the clock in a multitude of empire space by Southern Cross Empire and their associated corporations.
Yes have a look and get one eye opener how certain players amass enormous amounts of ISK and then think about how that money are used.
Macros are illegal, and can be easily petitioned.
Don't punish the majority of fair and honest players to get at a few bad apples.
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Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means the terrorists win.
"Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
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