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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.07 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Deimi
Look at the massive amount of alts run by scripts nearly around the clock in a multitude of empire space by Southern Cross Empire and their associated corporations.
They are mostly not scripts but sweatshop operations. There is a real person playing them as well, for 2$/day salary. And he is unresponsive to you not because he is script but because he doesn't understand your language. Try in mandarin Chinese, and you will get some actual discussion... 
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2009.03.07 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Torothanax on 07/03/2009 20:55:30
Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
This idea ridiculous? Yes, ridiculous for isk farmers and "one man army" gamers. 
No it's not a rediculous idea. Originally eve was intended to be one player per account. And then people got tired of all the handicaps solo players face**, so people starting running two and three accounts at once. It's safer, more time effecient, more profitable, and you can take multiple career paths at the same time. Now nearly everyone does it. Everyone I know has at least 2 accounts. And so CCP jumped on the bandwagon to make extra cash.
So much for "Your real life wallet shouldn't give you an advantage in game".
**I get really tired of the "eve is a multi player game" BS. No it's not. Not if you have 2+ accounts.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:26:00 -
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Ridiculous idea, and I personally only have one account. I'd like it if there were less falcon alts in the game, but c'est la vie. Why is this idea so absurd? Because it's impossible to enforce. Force one instance of eve per machine? Run two machines. Force one instance of eve per IP? I'll run through a proxy (which leads to the other problem: how pray do you reconcile network types that force hundreds of customers to share the same public IP?).
No, go back the the drawing board. Forcing people to use one account at a time is not a suitable way to stop falcon alts.
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 07/03/2009 22:43:44
Here's a solution... allow training of "alts" without making players buy another account.
Sure... everyone counters with "you can't level multiple toons at once in WoW"... But you can.
WoW, or any other MMO, uses XP to represent training and advancement. You accumulate XP for doing whatever here and there, and that adds to what your character is capable of. So playing one character for a few hours, and then switching to another... both will be capable of more by the end of the day.
EVE uses real time to represent training. And no amount of playing another character on that 2nd or 3rd character slot will allow them to DO more than what they started out with. Sure, they can afford more... but they can't use anything more at the end of the day than they could at the beginning.
So sure, some players may want extra accounts so they can be their own little squad of ships. But some players are only looking for a viable Research alt, or a dedicated CEO, or a skilled Businessman for the Market. And if they could train up the extra 2 slots without sacrificing time to their "main", then maybe there wouldn't be so many instances of multiple clients and multiple accounts. As it stands, those extra slots are vestigial, and only filled with trained characters purchased through forums. Or with expendable rookies only intended on suicide missions.
Of course, this would lead to a reduction in CCP's profits, which they probably wouldn't appreciate. So more than likely, we'll never see anything of the sort.
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Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means you're letting the terrorists win.
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
Force one instance of eve per machine? Run two machines.
Wow man! You have four eyes and arms for comfortable playing at two PC same time? You darn quick! Maybe you had some pickpocket training in the past?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Originally by: Cedric Diggory
Force one instance of eve per machine? Run two machines.
Wow man! You have four eyes and arms for comfortable playing at two PC same time? You darn quick! Maybe you had some pickpocket training in the past?
Actually... I have a friend who has 3 different PCs setup at his desk. He uses 1 for his Miner, one for his Hauler, and 1 for his Defense. Then depending on what he's doing at the moment, he just rolls his chair from keyboard to keyboard.
He wouldn't need multiple arms... the Hauler only moves when he's full up on ore. The Miner just reacts when the asteroids collapse. And the Defender only responds when someone threatening enters the area.
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Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means you're letting the terrorists win.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:19:00 -
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Morgan's a troll so just ignore the thread and it will be buried along with the other trolls.
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:23:00 -
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Marcus your point is clear. in that example with friend its easy, but im mean mostly pvp aspects not hauling or mining.
I agree with you only in one thing - CCP love money and they fully interested in gross quantity of payed accounts and dont care how many of them per one player. Until they change their mind "one man armies" and "five instances miners" will live and prosperous
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: NightF0x
Morgan's a troll so just ignore the thread and it will be buried along with the other trolls.
"Multi instances runners" try fight their rights?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Marcus your point is clear. in that example with friend its easy, but im mean mostly pvp aspects not hauling or mining.
I agree with you only in one thing - CCP love money and they fully interested in gross quantity of payed accounts and dont care how many of them per one player. Until they change their mind "one man armies" and "five instances miners" will live and prosperous
I'm just not sure that one player can really pose that much of a threat if they're running multiple clients. Yes... with a machine for each, they could multitask by pivoting in their chair. But otherwise they'd have to keep switching between windows trying to get each character do perform their appointed tasks.
I suppose if it were all very simplified... a Tackler who only targets and spams EW. A couple DPS who only target and open fire with grouped weapons. But a target with any amount of creativity or backup of their own could wreck the opposition by way of quicker response time. Several real players each doing their jobs, should be able to handle one player trying to perform multiple jobs.
Either way... it's more money for CCP. And trying to stop it would only cause more issues than it would resolve.
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Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means you're letting the terrorists win.
"Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.08 13:28:00 -
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Wow man! You have four eyes and arms for comfortable playing at two PC same time? You darn quick! Maybe you had some pickpocket training in the past?
I have no problems using multiple computers, why should I?
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Commander Azrael
Three Shades of Brown
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Azrael on 08/03/2009 16:16:56
Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
Originally by: Cedric Diggory
Force one instance of eve per machine? Run two machines.
Wow man! You have four eyes and arms for comfortable playing at two PC same time? You darn quick! Maybe you had some pickpocket training in the past?
I have two PC's and 2 laptops on my desk, one quick install of synergy and placing the screens side by side means I can use the same mouse and keyboard for all my accounts accross my vista 32, vista 64, XP and debian systems at the same time so no, > 4 limbs not a neccessity.
to OP;
Also, I've tried fighting with my 3 PvP accounts at the same time and its far from easy. I have different chars involved in different areas of eve so don't penalize the players who enjoy eve's many different aspects just because you don't want to run more than one account. Also, as I technically use 4 different machines, your changes wouldn't apply to me. What's your next silly idea?
restrict connections by IP address?.....
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:29:00 -
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Facts:
- CCP is accepting multi-accounts and also multi-client users.
- They work on improving multiaccount support even when they dont announce officially that their client supports this.
- Its technically impossible to prohibit people from multiaccount usages
So there is no point into working against such kind of usages. The only thing you are able to do is, to aoid that multiacc usage in your own corp. By talking with your people you are able to figure out if its a multi acc ;o)
And yes it sucks to be beaten in a 1v1 because the other got some alts in place to warp in. But hey another player got 2 real-mates in his backhand. So in reality it makes no difference because int erm of eves mechanics its just a factor of luck.
Its nearly impossible to change this behavior because it was available as feature last 5 years. An intentional feature which is available for such a long time would be a bad idea to be stopped.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:43:00 -
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Reminds me of this...
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Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.08 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Nissa
Its nearly impossible to change this behavior because it was available as feature last 5 years. An intentional feature which is available for such a long time would be a bad idea to be stopped.
Ghost Train was seen by many as intended Feature, my CEO and several of my Friends playing used it actively since they started a while ago.
That even got me hooked, and now they "fixed" it.
Why did it took that long to nail that Bug in the first Place I wonder? |
Lucjan
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:53:00 -
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But then you can just get another PC to run the other account on. Unfair to people unable to get another one.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:10:00 -
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Because its not seen as Bug.
Btw. there exists a 10 eve client on one pc screenshot - somewhere in the net ;o)
The CTO shown it at 2008s fanfest.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2009.03.29 06:58:00 -
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If there is any possible way to stop multi account play, I think it would be good for the game. It's way to easy to bypass multi player features running more then one account at a time. CCP should have taken a stand against this a long time ago.
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.03.29 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
If there is any possible way to stop multi account play, I think it would be good for the game. It's way to easy to bypass multi player features running more then one account at a time. CCP should have taken a stand against this a long time ago.
I think if they had, the game might not exist now. Not only would they lose the revenue from the 2nd, (3rd 4th 5th?) accounts, in a lot of cases, because of the lower productivity ingame, they would stand to lose out on more of the 1st accounts as well, as, typically, if a player is the type to play 5 accounts, he would have gotten bored with being restricted to 1, and probably left to something else.
System Influence |
shamai
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Posted - 2009.03.29 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
I thought using of multiple instances at the same time ruined EVE in some ways. Often, here and there some ppl using of "One man army" tactics but its not funny at all.
For example:
first window-abbadon, second-Falcon
first-megathron, second-apocalipse, third-Cerberus, fourth-Falcon
or some all "beloved" macroers wich dig asteroids by two or five accounts simultaneously. What a HECK?! I wish play against real ppl not bunch of alts!
Im suggest NOT a ban of creating multiple accounts possibility, but ban of EVE multiple instances used at SAME time.
Oh oracle of computer understanding, how will you stop me?
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CATSELITE
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Posted - 2009.04.23 16:29:00 -
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I run multiple accounts coz i was sick of being ganked by gangs and dependant on other people etc i am very glad ccp allow this coz it has made my eve life a lot easier and nice to know im not the only crazy cat out there  btw id like to add LUCJANNNNNNNNN!!!! ftw 
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.23 17:00:00 -
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I would happily stick to one account, if CCP would allow me to pay for being able to train two characters on one account.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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hawtalt pr0nmistress
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Posted - 2009.04.23 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Bernhardt
waaaaa this is the worst idea ever!
this
I'm sure I speak for a very large number of eve subscribers when i say "f.o.a.d".
Why would ccp do the whole power of two thing and then forbid playing both accounts at the same time? Duh
I for one (three) would quit for ever if this happened.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.04.23 22:32:00 -
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I have 3 accounts: 2 pvp chars (with trade alts) and 1 main trading char and would not like the idea at all. Trading only with 1 account wouldn't be that great. So even if I'm not logged in with my trading alts, checking the market while being in a pvp gang is a nice feature also.
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