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Reelism	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:02:00 - [1] Well i have a crappy comp fine, but for some reason classic graphics will not patch. I have heard a rumor that there will be no more classic graphics and to be honest my computer cant handle premium. So is there anyway i can get my money back for this month if i can no longer play? -- Like the storm that's in the making, When the rumbling thunder runs, And the hills and valleys tremble.
BloodHarvest Minmatar Brotherhood of Kings Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:21:00 - [2] You will need a video card with Pixel Shader 2.0. If it's a desktop, you can find a new vid card for around $50-$60. What kind of slot is on your motherboard? AGP? PCI-Express x2/x16/x16 2.0? If you know, I could help you more...kinda depends on how badly you want to play Eve I suppose
Legash Silden	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:21:00 - [3] I've got the exact same problem. My graphics card cant handle premium graphics and i just paid for 3 months. I'd really like to know if there is still going to be a classic version and if not, i expect to be reimbursed.
Violet Serena	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:22:00 - [4] If you're like me, you're probably stuck with AGP graphics -- no PCI Express for you! But there are some AGP boards out there with Pixel Shader 3.0 and more horsepower than my 5 year old Radeon 9800xt, once the king of the market. So get one for 70 bucks or so and you'll be fine.
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 - [5] Quote: Well i have a crappy comp fine, but for some reason classic graphics will not patch. I have heard a rumor that there will be no more classic graphics and to be honest my computer cant handle premium. So is there anyway i can get my money back for this month if i can no longer play? http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Quote: Our Classic client has been retired to make way for Premium Lite, bringing higher quality graphics to users with lower end PCs. With Apocrypha we discontinue support for ShaderModel 1, making ShaderModel 2 the minimum requirement (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite." Tried premium lite yet? _________________________________
Ron Wesson	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:26:00 - [6] People, suit your own ignorance. The news were out for several months before the expansion that the support Classic client will be terminated. By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out.
Breed Love FinFleet KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Ron Wesson By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out. They won't do that cos they can't log in. ----- Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
The Daddy	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:33:00 - [8] There's loads of AGP cards out there with Shader Model 2.0
xPewtridx	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:35:00 - [9] The topic of classic graphics being taking out of the game has been on the forums for a bit now... so i doubt you'll get your money back.... I still dont understand this move by CCP.... IMO its one of the stupidest ideas they've had yet..Lots of customers who have paid for years won't be able to play now because of this... Hell.. 0.0 warfare lags enough as it is without them forcing people to bump up the graphics...I know everyones response is going to be "OMG YOU SHOULD UPGRADE" But talk is easy... In reality most cant afford to go out and buy upgrades or new computers entirely... Id like to see exactly how many accounts they've lost so far... Personally i can run preimum lite... But the installer doesn't work... i keep getting "Archive extraction failed: Extract error" every time i attempt to install it... This keeps up CCP will lose another 2 accounts.
Reelism	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:36:00 - [10] is there a way to sell eve account for cash? -- Like the storm that's in the making, When the rumbling thunder runs, And the hills and valleys tremble.
Los Lecrosis	Posted - 2009.03.10 20:02:00 - [11] I run eve on a Dell latitude 630, using intel integrated graphics. Its not upgradeable. I suspect thousands of users run eve on laptops and cannot afford, during these times of crappy economy, to upgrade their entire laptops. CCP, YOU ARE MAKING A BAD, BAD MOVE! you will lose thousands of accounts if you dont BRING BACK CLASSIC GRAPHICS! I run three accounts myself and am absolutely disgusted with the entire QA process and the decision to remove classic graphics. So fix this asap or I (and thousands of others ) will close our accounts. - a Disgusted, disgruntled, eve account holder. PS. the patch is downloading at 45kb/s and will waste 2GB of my bandwidth and 17 hours of time before it tells me it cannot run. absolutely terrible, CCP!
nova allure	Posted - 2009.03.10 20:05:00 - [12] I feel compelled to point out that the recent marketing campaign on sites like Yahoo.com to give a free 14 day trial was working. However, now when somebody new decides to try this game version and they can't run the client smoothly: THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SUBSCRIBE. The irony is Iceland is in a massive financial disaster with the possibility of a dissolved government and CCP is actually making money. One would think that encouraging more players to create subscriptions would be their number one priority. In fact, more irony, this new version is an attempt to entice more people to sign up with the wormhole feature and the new tech 3 items. However, the system requirements have been steeply increased to render computers just two years old unable to play the game smoothly. This has significantly and detrimentally affected CCP's earnest desire to increase revenue. (A quick note about the discussion of removing Classic content in the forum: Most people were playing the game and didn't even consider that CCP would make such a tactical error to affect their earnings.) Much to CCP's credit, they have a functional framework to make necessary patches effectively. Although this version is a thunderous disappointment, we should encourage CCP to dedicate some development staff to revive the Classic Graphic client. They may find that their recent advertising campaign may keep and sign on more paying customers if they do.
Satans Dragon	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Satans Dragon on 10/03/2009 21:17:20 Edited by: Satans Dragon on 10/03/2009 21:16:49 Originally by: Ron Wesson Edited by: Ron Wesson on 10/03/2009 19:27:16 People, blame your own ignorance. The news were out for several months before the expansion that the support Classic client will be terminated. By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out. not everyone has the time to hang out at these boards. it's eve's responsibility to inform people not our own. i for one am not impressed. i guess i'll call my credit card company and get my money back if i can't play. oh well not my problem if their going to be tight wads.
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Satans Dragon Originally by: Ron Wesson Edited by: Ron Wesson on 10/03/2009 19:27:16 People, blame your own ignorance. The news were out for several months before the expansion that the support Classic client will be terminated. By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out. not everyone has the time to hang out at these boards. it's eve's responsibility to inform people not our own. i for one am not impressed. There have been many notices posted on the log-in screen. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony A man creates; A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' Item Database
Satans Devil	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:21:43 Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:19:24 Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:18:51 Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Satans Dragon Originally by: Ron Wesson Edited by: Ron Wesson on 10/03/2009 19:27:16 People, blame your own ignorance. The news were out for several months before the expansion that the support Classic client will be terminated. By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out. not everyone has the time to hang out at these boards. it's eve's responsibility to inform people not our own. i for one am not impressed. There have been many notices posted on the log-in screen. who looks at it when they log in? i log in to play i don't read the tips or little splinter messages or even eve's email. there should a major warning not some whisper. don't give me that crap. there should be a big pop up that says if your computer doesn't support premium graphics you can't play this game after the update and would you like to cancel.. this is the ignorance of the developers not mine. i work by the way and don't have time to live in this game. so if they want my money they better earn it.
Chucky Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Stalina Quote: Well i have a crappy comp fine, but for some reason classic graphics will not patch. I have heard a rumor that there will be no more classic graphics and to be honest my computer cant handle premium. So is there anyway i can get my money back for this month if i can no longer play? http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Quote: Our Classic client has been retired to make way for Premium Lite, bringing higher quality graphics to users with lower end PCs. With Apocrypha we discontinue support for ShaderModel 1, making ShaderModel 2 the minimum requirement (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite." Tried premium lite yet? Where do you get premium lite? and answer with a link and not bull**** ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Aphser Amarr Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Stalina Tried premium lite yet? Found any update function for updating to "Premium Lite" yet?
Reelism	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:57:00 - [18] After reading all of the random posts and what not carefully i have come to the conclusion. Believe it or not but we classic users who have been playing since 03 and 04 will not be able to play anymore. CCP is trying to keep eve online current and in doing so they will and are going to lose alot of old players, but they will receive an entire new market of fresh ones. Goodbye eve online, but on a side note when u have a game running so long its not because everyone wants to play eve its because many of your original players continue playing. I hope directors and ceos and alliance leaders arent stuck in the same situation i am in. But from a game that allows trickery and game mechanic's to topple the largest alliance in eve i guess screwing over longtime customers must come as second nature. Say goodbye to my business. on a side note I got a couple characters for sale. send me a e-mail for info [email protected] -- Like the storm that's in the making, When the rumbling thunder runs, And the hills and valleys tremble.
Delvardious Kaesos Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:59:00 - [19] This is a bit lame in my opinion. I had to take my gaming computer into the shop to get repaired and won't have it back for a couple of days. Now I can no longer change skills because the computer I am using now does not have pixel shader 2.0. ------------------------------------------------ Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:33:00 - [20] Edited by: Elysarian on 10/03/2009 22:33:55 Originally by: Satans Devil Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:27:32 Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:21:43 Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:19:24 Edited by: Satans Devil on 10/03/2009 21:18:51 Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Satans Dragon Originally by: Ron Wesson Edited by: Ron Wesson on 10/03/2009 19:27:16 People, blame your own ignorance. The news were out for several months before the expansion that the support Classic client will be terminated. By the way, direct all the stuff to my way, on your way out. not everyone has the time to hang out at these boards. it's eve's responsibility to inform people not our own. i for one am not impressed. There have been many notices posted on the log-in screen. who looks at it when they log in? i log in to play i don't read the tips or little splinter messages or even eve's email. there should a major warning not some whisper. don't give me that crap. there should be a big pop up that says if your computer doesn't support premium graphics you can't play this game after the update and would you like to cancel.. don't tell me they don't have the programming knowledge. this is the ignorance of the developers not mine. Bolded for clarity... You ignore login messages but claim not to be ignorant? - Looked in a dictionary lately? Also if you had read the Dev blog you would know that the requirements for Lite are not the same as for full Premium - i.e. Lite needs SM2.0, Premium needs SM3.0 (Even my non-eve-playing fiancee knows that part!). Lite and Premium are the SAME CLIENT, you just press esc before you log in to change between the two (if I read the blogs right). Edited to add: You sir, are a moron. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Jonas Cooke	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:37:00 - [21] God forbid anyone should actually try to get a graphics card that isnt eight (or more) years old when they download EVE now.
Miles Apart	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:42:00 - [22] Just to offset all these negative posts regarding low spec machines: I installed Eve on my little EEE PC with onboard naffy Intel 945 graphics. Runs a treat (wouldn't want to be in a 100-man fleet in lowsec, mind), even a slight framerate improvement over classic. Considering how p***-poor the Intel GMA onboard graphics are, I'd say CCP have done a fine job in supporting low spec machines....
RiRi Maas	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:43:00 - [23] Warnings about change to SM2 have been around for ages. SM3 is require for Premium on full settings. SM2 is required for Premium on low settings (the lite). Ignorance is not an excuse. Cry more? Please?
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:07:00 - [24] Edited by: Stalina on 10/03/2009 23:11:34 Originally by: Chucky Where do you get premium lite? and answer with a link and not bull** Yeah, actually logging in and setting everything to "low" and unchecking all the effect boxes can't be done by your kind. For people like you they added the optimize button to the graphics menu. Originally by:** Aphser Originally by: Stalina Tried premium lite yet? Found any update function for updating to "Premium Lite" yet? stupid much? Originally by: Satans Devil who looks at it when they log in? i log in to play i don't read the tips or little splinter messages or even eve's email. there should a major warning not some whisper. What should they do? Come to your house with 1000 people, all with signs, saying "there will be premium lite and no more classic in the next patch" ? Confirming I'll be receiving your stuff. _________________________________
wattie	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:33:00 - [25] I don't see what all the confusion is about the classic game mode, as far as i can see eve will only have one flavour from now on (the 1.95gb full graphics version) and will play on your pc as long as you have the min spec required just like any other game you put on your pc. Shader 2 is a very basic spec and should be ok on 99% of players i would be more worried about disk space
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.11 00:34:00 - [26] In the forum thread about the change in client architecture and removal of the Classic Client, CCP had already learned that there were some customers who would not be able to use the new client. However, as they explained, the logistical nightmare of maintaining two client builds with different graphics engines, was going to be worse than the unfortunate loss of a few customers. The customer feedback from the thread indicated that the proportion of clients who would be unable to use Premium Lite was tiny and, of course, would continue to shrink over time but never reach zero - There would always be at least one dinosaur out there At the end of the day, CCP are a business and have to make commercial decisions. Painful in the short term but freeing up resources that could be better used elsewhere in the game development. "You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time"
THX420 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.11 01:32:00 - [27] This is all true of course, but I can't help thinking that it wouldn't have been too difficult for CCP to make the Premium Lite client "lite" enough that more people could run it. I saw threads where people said that if you can run Classic you should be able to run Premium Lite. I had my doubts, but this seemed logical. After all, surely CCP wouldn't deliberately cut out a not insignificant segment of their long-time user base. How wrong this optimistic assumption was since, after trying various workarounds, it's becoming pretty clear that I will not be able to play Eve as of today and I'm pretty ****ed off about it. I cannot afford a new laptop and will not be able to for the forseeable future, which means my Eve career is over.
Sally Poe	Posted - 2009.03.11 01:51:00 - [28] System Model: Dimension 3000 BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A02 Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Memory: 1022MB RAM Card name: Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller 160g hd onboard basically everything else this thing got me into eve back in 03 and ran classic client at around 15 fps in decent size gangs shes finally out lived its usefulness and is to old to upgrade guess ill have to finally get that new comp ive been debating getting wonder how many other people used ridiculously old computers or labtops that still worked like me but probably cant afford a new one?
Breed Love FinFleet KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:05:00 - [29] You know what the saddest thing about all this is? You can't really ask any of those poor unemployed ****ed lowlifes who cannot afford a $20 gfx card to give all their stuff to you, because they can't even log in to the game to do that! On second thoughts... can i has your characterz?? ----- Originally by:** Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
Sally Poe	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:13:00 - [30] most people probably never upgraded because guess what like my ancient comp im posting on they actually worked why would i upgrade every time a new fanged piece of hardware comes out when this comp got me around 8 years of gaming i did not plan on getting a new comp till sc2 came out guess this speeds it up for me

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