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Kiriana Kockroach	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Sally Poe most people probably never upgraded because guess what like my ancient comp im posting on they actually worked why would i upgrade every time a new fanged piece of hardware comes out when this comp got me around 8 years of gaming i did not plan on getting a new comp till sc2 came out guess this speeds it up for me Upgrading every now and then is a good thing, and if someone is so ****ing poor, they can't even buy a comp that can run premium lite, they shouldn't be playing a game tbh and trying to fix their real life instead.
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Kiriana Kockroach Originally by: Sally Poe most people probably never upgraded because guess what like my ancient comp im posting on they actually worked why would i upgrade every time a new fanged piece of hardware comes out when this comp got me around 8 years of gaming i did not plan on getting a new comp till sc2 came out guess this speeds it up for me Upgrading every now and then is a good thing, and if someone is so **ing poor, they can't even buy a comp that can run premium lite, they shouldn't be playing a game tbh and trying to fix their real life instead. This. At least we can finally be rid of a lot of players from the *hole countries like Romania & Russia who already have to pay the equivalent of a weeks wages for a monthly sub to Eve
Xyris Rixx	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Deathifier Originally by: Kiriana Kockroach Originally by: Sally Poe most people probably never upgraded because guess what like my ancient comp im posting on they actually worked why would i upgrade every time a new fanged piece of hardware comes out when this comp got me around 8 years of gaming i did not plan on getting a new comp till sc2 came out guess this speeds it up for me Upgrading every now and then is a good thing, and if someone is so **ing poor, they can't even buy a comp that can run premium lite, they shouldn't be playing a game tbh and trying to fix their real life instead. This. At least we can finally be rid of a lot of players from the hole countries like Romania & Russia who already have to pay the equivalent of a weeks wages for a monthly sub to Eve Uh-oh - looks like someones dad took a p*s in the gene-pool there. I'm guessing someone got WTFPWND by our Easten european friends?
BLACKHEART H'DAR	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:45:00 - [34] Anyone know where I can get a PCI graphic card with shader 2.0, not PCI express Damn you CCP, even Microsoft backed down from withdrawing XP support
Madner Kami	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:49:00 - [35] Edited by: Madner Kami on 11/03/2009 14:49:48 Originally by: BLACKHEART H'DAR Anyone know where I can get a PCI graphic card with shader 2.0, not PCI express You're not even having an AGPort? I doubt there are any PCI F/X-cards out there, which have PS2/SM2, at all
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:56:00 - [36] There are SM2.0 and SM3.0 >PCI< (NOT PCI-EXPRESS) cards in the market. You can get a geforce 6200 or brandnew a Geforce 8300 GS with 512mb memory!! For example: Sparkle SF-PC84GS512U2LP PCI for 60 EUR in my country. Alternatively if you have a very good CPU (3000+), you can use software SM2.0 rendering.
Captain Plumbo Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:21:00 - [37] Originally by: BLACKHEART H'DAR Anyone know where I can get a PCI graphic card with shader 2.0, not PCI express Damn you CCP, even Microsoft backed down from withdrawing XP support http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201069609642&name=PCI get one with shader 3.0 or better, check against this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader this one perhaps: Geforce 8400 GS
impaxius	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:43:00 - [38] If you ran the premium client before this expansion, your opinion in this topic is mostly irrelevant. I ran the classic client with nothing but love for the game. Now I run the premium client with all graphics settings set as low as possible and the game is unplayable. I am sure I can do more "tweaking" and eventually be satisfied. The promise by CCP was that the new premium client with all settings lowered would be faster than the classic client. This is simply not the case. Does anyone know of any good guides to tweaking eve performance under the [new] premium client?
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Sec Eight	Posted - 2009.03.11 20:31:00 - [39] It's very unfortunate, but a fact, really. Honestly, I wouldn't be playing this if my money situation was0 in question, and my interest in playing games would have to wait if I couldn't afford PC upgrades every few years. I'd just find such to be common sense. However... there has been financial assistance for new hardware in my circle of friends... Maybe some people need to be like family and the better-off help the struggling. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. Out here in the Black, you need all the fixing you can get.
Vlad McCain	Posted - 2009.03.11 20:56:00 - [40] Originally by: impaxius If you ran the premium client before this expansion, your opinion in this topic is mostly irrelevant. I ran the classic client with nothing but love for the game. Now I run the premium client with all graphics settings set as low as possible and the game is unplayable. I am sure I can do more "tweaking" and eventually be satisfied. The promise by CCP was that the new premium client with all settings lowered would be faster than the classic client. This is simply not the case. Does anyone know of any good guides to tweaking eve performance under the [new] premium client? now i dont know of tweaking your gx card, but i -was- playing premium client on my desktop, (ati 92000) worked just fine. even with all the bells and whistles going and everything cranked to max. now i cant even get past the splash screen because my "hardware doesnt support shader model 2" (it does) but ccp decided that only 9500's and up are the way do go. oh yes, "buy a new card". shure as soon as i win the lotto, because thats about the only way ill be able to save up the cash now. this time last year? shure ill drop 150$ (usd) on a new gx card. now? lets see; pay cut so i can keep my job (or get fired), rents up, water bill's up, state tax is up, county tax is up, city tax... up, food tax... going up next week, electric bill... up (same w/h as it has been for the last 3 yrs). so buying a new gx card... isn't in the cards.
Captain Plumbo Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.11 21:23:00 - [41] Hey guys, check this thread out: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1019362 Worth a try.
Wes Denton	Posted - 2009.03.11 21:45:00 - [42] One topic that I saw thrown around on post replies is that CCP has provided information for the last 2 months that they were going to end of life the Classic content. One person called the other ignorant for not reading the news when they logged in. The fact is that everyone is different in how they receive their information. If someone has the time to read all the updated news before logging in that is great. Other people have a lot of time to be active on these forums and know all of the up to date information about everything EVE. Personally I just want to play EVE. I don't read the news when I first login because I just want to get into the game and start doing my thing. If I'm having a problem that can't be solved in help chat I'll use the eve-wiki or browse the forums for my answer. If the news was pertinent to major upgrades and related changes it would be one thing, but most often it is storyline news. I read the little messages above the login prompt but I don't recall ever seeing something about the Classic client going away. All CCP had to do was send an e-mail (or an eve-mail) to every subscriber and let them know that EVE will no longer support the Classic client. We are paying subscribers and a little communication from those who we pay would be nice. I admit, I was a little freaked out yesterday when I installed the patch to Apo...whatever and there was so much lag I could not even play it on my laptop. They could have been a bit more clear on the "Premium Lite client" by not calling it a "client". After I turned down all of the graphics to low it was at least playable, except for the sound. Why do they have to have a problem with the sound? It was the one thing, aside from the beauty of the game that made me keep coming back.
David Grogan Gallente The Motley Crew	Posted - 2009.03.12 02:06:00 - [43] Edited by: David Grogan on 12/03/2009 02:07:33 Edited by: David Grogan on 12/03/2009 02:07:15 guys if u use a desktop then just spend the damn $50 it cost to get a semi decent gcard...............even when u get bored of eve u can now play crysis (if only on low settings) if u got a laptop then i feel for u.... my laptop wont work anymore either :( my pc does though :) 1 night out in a boozer = min Ç100 or 1 gcard able to run eve = Ç50 u choose!!! SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Vera Trash	Posted - 2009.03.12 02:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Kiriana Kockroach Originally by: Sally Poe most people probably never upgraded because guess what like my ancient comp im posting on they actually worked why would i upgrade every time a new fanged piece of hardware comes out when this comp got me around 8 years of gaming i did not plan on getting a new comp till sc2 came out guess this speeds it up for me Upgrading every now and then is a good thing, and if someone is so **ing poor, they can't even buy a comp that can run premium lite, they shouldn't be playing a game tbh and trying to fix their real life instead. Originally by:** Deathifier Removed. Navigator and you can just shove your empty, lil head in a bucket of ****! and dont be in a hurry to come up for air either. exactly who do you think you are to stereotype anyone for what kind of computer they can afford or judge someones life as problematic based on their income, or to tell ANYONE what they should or shouldnt do, for that matter? some people work for a living and many dont have a daddy that buys them every pretty, new technological toy so they can play games in their ivory tower. you are a BRAT and your statement is genuinely disgusting! i would tell you to grow up, but i honestly hope you dont infect the worlds genepool. do us all a favor and get colon cancer!!!
Black Phlanx Caldari Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.03.12 03:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Vlad McCain Originally by: impaxius If you ran the premium client before this expansion, your opinion in this topic is mostly irrelevant. I ran the classic client with nothing but love for the game. Now I run the premium client with all graphics settings set as low as possible and the game is unplayable. I am sure I can do more "tweaking" and eventually be satisfied. The promise by CCP was that the new premium client with all settings lowered would be faster than the classic client. This is simply not the case. Does anyone know of any good guides to tweaking eve performance under the [new] premium client? now i dont know of tweaking your gx card, but i -was- playing premium client on my desktop, (ati 92000) worked just fine. even with all the bells and whistles going and everything cranked to max. now i cant even get past the splash screen because my "hardware doesnt support shader model 2" (it does) but ccp decided that only 9500's and up are the way do go. oh yes, "buy a new card". shure as soon as i win the lotto, because thats about the only way ill be able to save up the cash now. this time last year? shure ill drop 150$ (usd) on a new gx card. now? lets see; pay cut so i can keep my job (or get fired), rents up, water bill's up, state tax is up, county tax is up, city tax... up, food tax... going up next week, electric bill... up (same w/h as it has been for the last 3 yrs). so buying a new gx card... isn't in the cards. Where in the hell do you live so I can make sure I don't move there by accident.... I live in THE TAXES state, aka Connecticut, so I don't see just how much worse it could be for you. Your take-home in your check should actually be close to about $18 to $20 more since they issued tax-cuts just last month nationwide. If you're saying that you're so pressed for cash that you cannot afford putting $5 to $10 aside every check to save for a new card... then you sir, should not be playing EVE to begin with.
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Sec Eight	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 12/03/2009 11:28:19 Originally by: Vera Trash and you can just shove your empty, lil head in a bucket of ****! and dont be in a hurry to come up for air either. exactly who do you think you are to stereotype anyone for what kind of computer they can afford or judge someones life as problematic based on their income, or to tell ANYONE what they should or shouldnt do, for that matter? some people work for a living and many dont have a daddy that buys them every pretty, new technological toy so they can play games in their ivory tower. you are a BRAT and your statement is genuinely disgusting! i would tell you to grow up, but i honestly hope you dont infect the worlds genepool. do us all a favor and get colon cancer!!! Your assumption that we who can afford newer systems or upgrades are brats with daddies who pay for everything is insulting. I work for a living. I build new computers and sell the old builds off on the side. I keep up to date. I pay my EVE subscription with my paycheck. I'm sorry if you have a poor livelihood, but don't take it out on the people who just happen to be better off and make insinuations on their situations. This is turning ugly. Haves and have-nots rift forming... ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. Out here in the Black, you need all the fixing you can get.
Madner Kami	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:06:00 - [47] Edited by: Madner Kami on 12/03/2009 12:06:17 Originally by: impaxius now i dont know of tweaking your gx card, but i -was- playing premium client on my desktop, (ati 92000) worked just fine. even with all the bells and whistles going and everything cranked to max. now i cant even get past the splash screen because my "hardware doesnt support shader model 2" (it does) but ccp decided that only 9500's and up are the way do go. No, you are wrong with the opinion of a 9200 beeing able to do Pixel Shading 2. The R200 chip series (Radeon 9200) only supports DirectX 8 and hence only Shader Model 1. Sorry to disappoint you. Quote: oh yes, "buy a new card". shure as soon as i win the lotto, because thats about the only way ill be able to save up the cash now. this time last year? shure ill drop 150$ (usd) on a new gx card. now? lets see; pay cut so i can keep my job (or get fired), rents up, water bill's up, state tax is up, county tax is up, city tax... up, food tax... going up next week, electric bill... up (same w/h as it has been for the last 3 yrs). so buying a new gx card... isn't in the cards. That's nonsense. Suitable cards can be bought for far less then the assumed $150. Slow down your drive, I understand your enragement, but simply check were you can cut your costs for a couple of months. EVE is just a game, you will not die without it. Sort some things out, save up a couple of dollars, buy a suiting card for about $30 max and you're settled. When you return, EVE will still be here and waiting for you.
Amberley Rhina Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.03.12 16:39:00 - [48] Edited by: Amberley Rhina on 12/03/2009 16:44:26 Edited by: Amberley Rhina on 12/03/2009 16:42:15 My Eee PC 900 still works with the premium 'lite' client (i think its abit misleading a label for what is basicly turning all the graphics details down...I turn graphics details down to low on crysis on my media centre to play it. Crytek aren't calling it Crysis lite though or treating it as a new 'feature'. Nice try marketting but no dice.) its about 4.5 - 5 fps in stations. just enough to change skills and very carefully and slowly do market stuff. maybe chat in corp. outside stations it can go from 2 fps upto 12 depending on what im looking at its reasonable for a gma950 i guess, abit annoying that the changes had to be made but at least i can log in. I bought a low profile ATI HD3450 for our media centre a few months ago from ebuyer for 40 pounds or so and it deals with premium nicely money isn't really an issue when an upgrade costs as much as a brand new game these days.
Lila Penney	Posted - 2009.03.12 17:15:00 - [49] My machine can load the premium client but it crashes after running for 10-20 seconds. I can do everything just fine until the client locks up and dies. I have a GMA4500 here, with is a terrible graphics card, and I'm running Windows 7 so I can't really complain, but it's a shame as the classic worked great!
Alejan Gerakh Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc. Sec Eight	Posted - 2009.03.12 17:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Lila Penney My machine can load the premium client but it crashes after running for 10-20 seconds. I can do everything just fine until the client locks up and dies. I have a GMA4500 here, with is a terrible graphics card, and I'm running Windows 7 so I can't really complain, but it's a shame as the classic worked great! It is a shame, but as others said, it takes alot of time, effort, and money to support two separate clients as they have been. Not to mention it probably means ISK farmers are likely shafted. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me." Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems. Out here in the Black, you need all the fixing you can get.
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.12 18:41:00 - [51] To answer the op's question as no-one is actually reading posts anymore but just replying "OLOLOLOUPGADE!"... Classic has been discontinued. There is a light version of premium avaidable which should provide about the same performance (or even better). To get to this you will need to download and install the premium files first. Seeing these are not linked anymore and I have no idea which build you are on, you could try installing them via the client (esc > graphics > should be a premium install button there) and then patch the client via the autopatcher from there. If you don't mind downloading an extra gb you can always download the full client from the download page to your left. Which would probably be easier. _ Add your own line!
Ties Too	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:40:00 - [52] I don't feel bad one bit for people too cheap to run a modern gaming machine, which can be had brand new for as little as $200 without a monitor/LCD. Cry and complain all you want, but if you want to play a 3D video game, don't complain when your integrated 3D-EMULATED graphics chip set cannot run it. If you intend to play a 3D game, do it on a real computer with an actual 3D card. I cannot understand how someone is willing to tolerate minimum to bare bones performance out of anything they do willingly for the sake of saving a bit of money by using a computer for 8 year stretches at a time; it's absolute insanity. If you are too cheap or too stubborn to do so, I do not feel bad for you one bit; please go play games your machine is intended for, such as minesweeper and solitaire. I appreciate your absence reducing my lag.

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