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Doc Oxley
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Oxley on 10/03/2009 21:44:49
This time we cant put item links and colourful writing in our freeform scams anymore.
Thanks CCP, its nice to know you support all careers and paths within this game equally - scamming not included.
edit:sp
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Nakimoto
Caldari
Unnatural Growth
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:48:00 -
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I thaught the QR patch was death to scammers as item description added by players became small and insignificant yet so many in jita persisted or found new loop holes. Scamming is enjoyable and amusing but seriously the clutter in local has run amuck. I would more favor scam spam filters in local over any restructuring of contracts. just mho
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ridik ulass
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:51:00 -
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this maybe true, but i know someone who bought an apoc, with 3 ccc rig bpo's instead of 3 ccc rigs off contract,
people that dont check this stuf b4 still wont imo.
good scamming.
Blood on my torp or isk in my wallet
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Dennmoth Ferdier
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
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ridik ulass
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:55:00 -
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care bare hate again ^^
Blood on my torp or isk in my wallet
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
lol
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.
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Cortex Reaver
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
Oh dear dear  . Flaws in peoples personalities for scamming in an online game of internet spaceships you say eh? Well in that case to all scammers I say this: "Shame on you sir SHAME ON YOU!" You're clearly less moral human beings than the rest of us for playing the game differently. Would you steal an old ladies handbag? Would you steal a car? NO Well what are you doing stealing peoples isk omagaD11. Please man get a grip lol. 
-CR
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Thronde
Valiant Research Associates
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
lol
This tbh. Mmm. Carebear tears cool the reactors.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:10:00 -
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Human stupidity is infinite, remember. You'll find other ways to part fools from their money. As old doors close, new ones open...
Of course, if you're one of those who just copy other people's scams, you might have to wait a while for the innovators to come up with the next big thing.
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Jack Coutu
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:17:00 -
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Oh no scamming and ninja salvaging (atm) are nerfed. Who cares? Scammers and ninjas. That's it.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Elitist Jerks
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Coutu
Oh no scamming and ninja salvaging (atm) are nerfed. Who cares? Scammers and ninjas. That's it.
How was ninja salvaging nerfed?
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Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Oh no scamming and ninja salvaging (atm) are nerfed. Who cares? Scammers and ninjas. That's it.
How was ninja salvaging nerfed?
Well, apparently wrecks and cans no longer show up on the directional scanner. Slight nerf to the honorable profession, but nothing that can't be endured.
I've seen one person whine that they can't seem to scan out a guy running a mission in deadspace. Its probably a problem between chair and keybaord. In testing that was done on SiSi it was relatively easy to find a guy once you had localized him to a reasonable area of space (couple minutes).
So unless they did a last minute switch-a-roo...there's not really a ninja nerf.
As for scamming, they've nixed the freeform, which never really stopped the scams in the first place. Stupid and greedy folks will fall for it no matter what. Even if you get rid of all the pretty links and colors and everything.
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Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying piħatas.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Stupid and greedy folks will fall for it no matter what
As long as there are players that satisfy at least one of those attributes scamming will remain.
Oh and guess what, there is going to be an influx of people with little game knowledge and shiny plex's buring a hole in the pocket 
[i]
Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
Miss Uylear
Caldari
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.03.11 01:26:00 -
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You know, I just get more inventive. Sold a ticket today for a wormhole. yeah.
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TimMc
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:03:00 -
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heh I got scammed a few days ago. Realised a few minutes after and convo'ed the guy...
TimMc > heh nice scam btw :P
TimMc > just realised that thing is only worth 20mil
Scammer > heh
Scammer > :)
Scammer > good one isnt it
TimMc > oh well its not like i could use that mega anyway
TimMc > yeah i think i will use it on someone else
Scammer > hehe
TimMc > and so begins the cycle of life
Scammer > indeed, good luck with it, hehe, that hardener will circulate eve :P
TimMc > yes lol, tis a good scam... alot better than those ones in jita trading a t1 item as faction
Scammer > they're stupid, dont know how they work
TimMc > or a 1 missile as 1mil of them
Scammer > atleast this one requires some effort and thought
TimMc > yeah that mega had been on contracts for 5 weeks so i was desperate
Scammer > heh
TimMc > i will try to swap it with someone for their navy apoc or something
TimMc > see if i can move it up a notch
Scammer > yeah i was trying that, not many people were buying it
Scammer > so i tried a little less value
I had a megathron with triple CCC on contracts for eons. The guy convo'ed me about swapping it for a officer EM energized plating, which while sounded good and only other one on contracts was 200mil... I later figured out it was worthless nearly.
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Tajwel Kura
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Posted - 2009.03.11 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nakimoto
I thaught the QR patch was death to scammers as item description added by players became small and insignificant yet so many in jita persisted or found new loop holes. Scamming is enjoyable and amusing but seriously the clutter in local has run amuck. I would more favor scam spam filters in local over any restructuring of contracts. just mho
You don't understand what you're talking about. Freeforms could never be issued to public to spam chat channels with. There were the types of contracts done in private between the scammer and the scamee. Now CCP has nerfed them, making spamming local with fake WTBs more lucrative in comparison. So end result will be more scam-spam in local for everyone.
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
And what's worse, they are making the game more carebear (WoW in space comes to mind) so that weak-minded individuals like the poster above, who cannot separate real life and game, will play through it untouched, without any consequences to their own stupidity.
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Arcane Azmadi
Caldari
First Flying Wing Inc
Primary.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 07:22:00 -
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Aww, CCP are making it harder for you to rip people off. My heart bleeds for you. Oh wait, sorry, that's your heart. Cry me a river, just 3 more scammers and I get to go kayaking.
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Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Aww, CCP are making it harder for you to rip people off. My heart bleeds for you. Oh wait, sorry, that's your heart. Cry me a river, just 3 more scammers and I get to go kayaking.
aww another guy who got scammed and is bitter about it
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Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu
Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Aww, CCP are making it harder for you to rip people off. My heart bleeds for you. Oh wait, sorry, that's your heart. Cry me a river, just 3 more scammers and I get to go kayaking.
aww another guy who got scammed and is bitter about it
how embarassing :)
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:16:00 -
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OP is failed scammer. Real scammers will always find a way to adapt rather than posting on the whorums about it.
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
OP is failed scammer. Real scammers will always find a way to adapt rather than posting on the whorums about it.
QFT
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Plan Neun
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Plan Neun on 11/03/2009 22:21:14
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
Thats the spirit and a vacation in a proper facility would do him Real Good 
"I cut your head off and put it in my TV-Set"
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:10:00 -
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to be honest, I think CCP is trying to make the game more noob-friendly for the box-subscribers avalanche (if there is any, lol)
no wrecks and cans so noobs won't come to the forums complaining about ninja salvagers
no colours on contracts so no scams with PLEX... this saves CCP from dealing with hundreds of newbie' petitions ZOMG someone scammed on me and I lost $60 real life dollars!!!!!111 want my isk back plz!!!!!!!!!!!1111one
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
to be honest, I think CCP is trying to make the game more noob-friendly for the box-subscribers avalanche (if there is any, lol)
no wrecks and cans so noobs won't come to the forums complaining about ninja salvagers
no colours on contracts so no scams with PLEX... this saves CCP from dealing with hundreds of newbie' petitions ZOMG someone scammed on me and I lost $60 real life dollars!!!!!111 want my isk back plz!!!!!!!!!!!1111one
Agreed.. However, removing the wrecks and cans doesn't stop a real ninja salavger (seriously, if you see 2 or 3 BSs and a handful of drones, there not out for a picknick) and Noobs are the ones that aren't going to notice that the "contract looks funny" anyway.. Noobs are going to notice the thousand and one popup warnings, but they have been in the game for a while and people still get scammed.
NOT a kublai alt. Honest!
Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. |
Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.03.12 03:00:00 -
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they need to restore jita so i can go scamming again.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.12 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Mouse
they need to restore jita so i can go scamming again.
Yeah, you were a good scammer.. I even removed you from my block list because you made me smile.
NOT a kublai alt. Honest!
Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. |
Arcane Azmadi
Caldari
First Flying Wing Inc
Primary.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Mouse
Originally by: Kavu
Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Aww, CCP are making it harder for you to rip people off. My heart bleeds for you. Oh wait, sorry, that's your heart. Cry me a river, just 3 more scammers and I get to go kayaking.
aww another guy who got scammed and is bitter about it
how embarassing :)
Sorry noobs, I've NEVER been scammed. EVER. I just find it amusing that now the scammers are whining about things they don't like and can't do anything about.
Am I REALLY the only person who sees the irony in one of the less-than-honest players getting on C&P to whine about HOW HARD LIFE IS MAN and being mocked by a straight player? Mmm, I think I'm starting to understand why the pirates love carebear tears so much.
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Crimsona Endarius
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Crimsona Endarius on 13/03/2009 00:42:49
damn alt.
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Crimsona Endarius
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Crimsona Endarius on 13/03/2009 00:43:50
sigh...
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Lara Torrin
Gallente
Torrin Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.13 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lara Torrin on 13/03/2009 23:49:22
Just to necro this one.. Can an issuer fail a freeform anymore? I dont have the pretty button when.. umm.. testing..
Edit: typomania!
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Whosyour Daddy
Little Shoppe of Tarts and Patisseria
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Posted - 2009.03.14 00:21:00 -
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Scamming nerfed??
Oh nooooooos 
I guess every career path has to whine at some time.....scammers turn
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Icekubez
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.14 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Uylear
You know, I just get more inventive. Sold a ticket today for a wormhole. yeah.
Is that a true story ? that would be epic
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Sjobba
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Oxley
Edited by: Doc Oxley on 10/03/2009 21:44:49
This time we cant put item links and colourful writing in our freeform scams anymore.
Thanks CCP, its nice to know you support all careers and paths within this game equally - scamming not included.
edit:sp
Don't consider it a nerf, consider it a challenge.
CCP frequently update professions and add new challenges to them, why should the scammers be left out
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
Echelon.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 10:47:00 -
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Scamming in most games would be simply against the rules, so even if CCP make it a little harder to scam, at least we can still do it.
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kushkan
Amarr
Imperial House Ordos
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Posted - 2009.03.15 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Originally by: Amy Mouse
Originally by: Kavu
Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Aww, CCP are making it harder for you to rip people off. My heart bleeds for you. Oh wait, sorry, that's your heart. Cry me a river, just 3 more scammers and I get to go kayaking.
aww another guy who got scammed and is bitter about it
how embarassing :)
Sorry noobs, I've NEVER been scammed. EVER. I just find it amusing that now the scammers are whining about things they don't like and can't do anything about.
Am I REALLY the only person who sees the irony in one of the less-than-honest players getting on C&P to whine about HOW HARD LIFE IS MAN and being mocked by a straight player? Mmm, I think I'm starting to understand why the pirates love carebear tears so much.
hahaha nice your not the only one i find this rather entertaining :P
now only i would like a fix on the contracks some how its rather demoting to see 99 of the 100 contracks is just a plain scam the (want to buy ones) bit sad actully 
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Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:55:00 -
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not at all, I don't see scams as scams, they are great deals. FOR ME!
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Nadezhda Andropov
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi
Sorry noobs, I've NEVER been scammed. EVER. I just find it amusing that now the scammers are whining about things they don't like and can't do anything about.
Am I REALLY the only person who sees the irony in one of the less-than-honest players getting on C&P to whine about HOW HARD LIFE IS MAN and being mocked by a straight player? Mmm, I think I'm starting to understand why the pirates love carebear tears so much.
ITT I have spotted an ITG
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Hitesugo
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:06:00 -
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Glad that it's getter harder for scammers, I never been scammed but I don't like the idea of scamming as being part of a game.
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Venetian Tar
Violation of Freedom
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hitesugo
Glad that it's getter harder for scammers, I never been scammed but I don't like the idea of scamming as being part of a game.
Scamming is in RL. Why not have it in a game too?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.16 03:51:00 -
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Bah, i was never very good at scamming anyway.. Mostly because i couldn't stop laughing the whole time I was doing it. I'm also a little ticked off that now im trying to mend my ways and be a good honest eve player by selling wormhole locations to mission runners, no one believes me!
I mean seriously, I try and sell a fake guardian vexor and I get like 5 people to bite and not a single person calls me out as a scammer, I try and sell a REAL wormhole spot and I get called a scammer in the noob corp channel.. I gave up in the end and jumped though it (it being my first wormhole)and it was very nice (and no ships on scan!)
NOT a kublai alt. Honest!
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.03.16 22:15:00 -
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Scamming is good for the game, it gives it some juice.
Why do you think you doublecheck an interesting looking contract before you accept it? Why do you doubt if it's really a good idea to buy this and if you're really sure it isn't a scam?
Makes Eve interesting... otherwise it's simply, click click, drag, drop click, drag, click drop, select, move, click ok, log off.
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Minamel
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.17 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Minamel on 17/03/2009 10:10:36
Quote:
Scamming is in RL. Why not have it in a game too
Because Rl was not made in order to make sure that everyone involed has fun with it.
Scamming is just a bit of missing empathy for other players (yea i know most of you have it on lev 5)
Just understand that CCP have just one desire and that is your and my money. The only way for that is to make as much players as possible happy with the game and scamming makes much more people unhappy than happy.
So its nerved aggain and i like it and no i was never scammed but i am another crying carebar that just dont like the concept of scamming.Its no roleplaying or profession or something, its just using weaknesses of the gameclient in adition to using credulity of not that informed players to get some cheap advantage in the game.
So good Job ccp making this as diffucult as possible and at least wiping out the weaknesses in the client that makes it possible to betray other players.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 21:53:49
I can honestly say I have no sympathy for your loss. Besides, scamming isn't a profession, it's a flaw in ones personality.
And I'm glad to see it's treated as such.
and the second you venture out of your safe systems and die, ill feel the same amount of remorse for you.
scamming usually only works on people that are clueless. or in alot of cases obvious isk buyers.
this game is supposed to be unforgiving and harsh. the ability to lie cheat and betray people is intrinsic to this. it mirrors our real world in this aspect and also has consequences, usually wrought by the players themselves.
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente
I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:56:00 -
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I've dealt with the OP and he is an honest trader, A++++ would buy again, fully recommend him to anyone.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2009.03.22 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 22/03/2009 08:55:48
Originally by: Minamel
Just understand that CCP have just one desire and that is your and my money. The only way for that is to make as much players as possible happy with the game and scamming makes much more people unhappy than happy.
That's true (money part), but one way of getting more customers is to be different then other MMO's. It's a risk, as you can get less then normal but I truly believe that part of EVE's success is that you can do stuff in here which is not allowed in other MMO's.
I mean, why play EVE if it's exactly the same as WOW just different graphics? I play EVE cause it's different then WOW.
Scamming makes EVE different and for that reason it should not be nerfed.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 22/03/2009 08:55:48
Originally by: Minamel
Just understand that CCP have just one desire and that is your and my money. The only way for that is to make as much players as possible happy with the game and scamming makes much more people unhappy than happy.
Scamming makes EVE different and for that reason it should not be nerfed.
That's part of it. The minute CCP starts to micromanage, they kill the "sandbox" part that is part of the very essence of EVE. It would go against everything they created.
Players already got enough tools to be 'safe' from scamming. Getting scammed is in fact part of the learning experience, to learn how to use proper channels for trading.
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dregonar
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:15:00 -
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The harder it gets to scam the more interesting and unique scams get. :)
Gets very boring when 80 ppl make contracts about plexes, and it can also be done only once per person (usually).
I`m sure that scammers who have talent in what they do will live on, but those who just steal someones ideas and get easy money will just change profession like they should have at very start.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: dregonar
The harder it gets to scam the more interesting and unique scams get. :)
Gets very boring when 80 ppl make contracts about plexes, and it can also be done only once per person (usually).
I`m sure that scammers who have talent in what they do will live on, but those who just steal someones ideas and get easy money will just change profession like they should have at very start.
You could say that the original scammers are scamming the copycats out of gametime.
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Zantei
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:12:00 -
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Joke thread.
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3Bird
Gallente
Star Fox Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:02:00 -
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Personal i hate a good 80% of scammers, not because of they way they make isk but because they take some1 elses scam that worked and work it to death, they have no imagination and more often than not are just as stupid as the person they are scamming.
the 20% of scammers left i rase my glass to you all 
But in respons to the Op, it is getting stupid that ccp keep nerfing the suposidly "bad" careers, not just scamming but across the low sec pirating industry, it's taking hit after hit.
id get down on my knees and beg ccp to leave it alone for a bit if i though it would do the damdest thing. instead they just keep listening to the 100's of newbs coming on complaining about the reality of eve, i.e "it's to hard"
Fly Safe and Good Hunting.
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