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RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:49:00 - [1] This thread represents an attempt to confine whines about sleepers being: overpowered, too hard, requiring teamwork, not dropping enough loot, killing your drones or any other miscellaneous grievance with the current implementation with regards to Sleepers. If your post laments any of the above issues, or similar ones, please consider detailing it here and not creating a thread. [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
King Hopy Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:03:00 - [2] If you cant beat the sleepers you just dont know what you are doing.
Sardroid	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:21:00 - [3] Well, I went in unknown space with a Kessie and got completely owned.
JJ MELLIC	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:58:00 - [4] Edited by: JJ MELLIC on 10/03/2009 22:59:12 Originally by: RedSplat This thread represents an attempt to confine whines about sleepers being: overpowered, too hard, requiring teamwork, not dropping enough loot, killing your drones or any other miscellaneous grievance with the current implementation with regards to Sleepers. If your post laments any of the above issues, or similar ones, please consider detailing it here and not creating a thread. correction , this thread repreZentZ your lack of knowledge about anything sleeper. the things people will do to try and get noticed.. Look mom not only do you have a p3n15 but i made this thread just for u !! go get some knowledge about sleeps then make a post with your thoughts . like anyone needs you to reserve them a slot on the forum to post o/ ohi heretics.
Lol Apocrypha	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:03:00 - [5] 1 nil
rofflesausage	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:58:00 - [6] The trick is to blow them up while they are still sleeping.
Ciel Drax	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:59:00 - [7] or put cyanide into their tea. we finished a 'plex' in unkown space wasn't to hard.
Aniel Zaar Gallente Light of Orion	Posted - 2009.03.11 00:14:00 - [8] Sleeper NPCs are so overpowered they crash my EVE client when I as much as select them in overview. -^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ By the way, I am an Ishtar and T2 sentries fan. Fight to make the sentry damage rig work for all drones.
Zerode	Posted - 2009.03.11 00:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Aniel Zaar Sleeper NPCs are so overpowered they crash my EVE client when I as much as select them in overview. I had this issue on Vista x64 Ultimate on SISI before last build. Last build fixed it. Whould be horrible if this "bug" still ended up on Tranc
Aniel Zaar Gallente Light of Orion	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Zerode I had this issue on Vista x64 Ultimate on SISI before last build. Last build fixed it. Whould be horrible if this "bug" still ended up on Tranc Using x32 Vista Home, and it's not on SISI, it's TQ-post Apoc. -^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ By the way, I am an Ishtar and T2 sentries fan. Fight to make the sentry damage rig work for all drones.

Renllek Minmatar unrestrained aggressor	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Renllek on 11/03/2009 03:32:59 They aint that hard, with a little planing, a cargo full of ammo + a scaning alt. i have been happly playing in w-space from a high sec system in my drake for the last 10 hours :)
Lord Myre Caldari Heaven's Gate Scalar Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Zerode Originally by: Aniel Zaar Sleeper NPCs are so overpowered they crash my EVE client when I as much as select them in overview. I had this issue on Vista x64 Ultimate on SISI before last build. Last build fixed it. Whould be horrible if this "bug" still ended up on Tranc Bug is here. Had half my fleet with the crashing when trying to target enemies or friends. You know you have played way to much Eve when you are in a car accident and run away so you dont get podded.
Joe Blow Minmatar Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Renllek Edited by: Renllek on 11/03/2009 03:32:59 They aint that hard, with a little planing, a cargo full of ammo + a scaning alt. i have been happly playing in w-space from a high sec system in my drake for the last 10 hours :) Now try a 0.0 one, and repost that sentence!
Lord Myre Caldari Heaven's Gate Scalar Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Joe Blow Originally by: Renllek Edited by: Renllek on 11/03/2009 03:32:59 They aint that hard, with a little planing, a cargo full of ammo + a scaning alt. i have been happly playing in w-space from a high sec system in my drake for the last 10 hours :) Now try a 0.0 one, and repost that sentence! Drake in 0.0 WH.........Cannon Fodder You know you have played way to much Eve when you are in a car accident and run away so you dont get podded.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 05:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Joe Blow Originally by: Renllek Edited by: Renllek on 11/03/2009 03:32:59 They aint that hard, with a little planing, a cargo full of ammo + a scaning alt. i have been happly playing in w-space from a high sec system in my drake for the last 10 hours :) Now try a 0.0 one, and repost that sentence! We found a guy who was in a wormhole he had found via high sec in a drake. He died to a handful of assault frigates with a lot of tears. I really like the sleepers, they are a fix for some of the most boring AI ever in an MMO and the fact they actually require a few basic tactics and thought to beat rather than just the proper "gear" People have had it too easy to pve in this for too long. That being said I think they should be toned down in one way, I really dislike getting spammed with missiles from 400-500km away. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:25:00 - [16] Sleeper turrets blew up my untanked Heron while I was sitting around trying to add the sleeper ships to my overview settings. So since I couldn't scan my way out anymore I was quite happy about the fact that I bookmarked the wormhole that led back to my home system. But QQ and all that But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
flightlesskiwi Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:03:00 - [17] I got three volleyed in a faction tanked geddon with triage rep. It takes doomsdays longer to kill me. Waah?
Morberi	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:04:00 - [18] Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Originally by: Joe Blow Originally by: Renllek Edited by: Renllek on 11/03/2009 03:32:59 They aint that hard, with a little planing, a cargo full of ammo + a scaning alt. i have been happly playing in w-space from a high sec system in my drake for the last 10 hours :) Now try a 0.0 one, and repost that sentence! We found a guy who was in a wormhole he had found via high sec in a drake. He died to a handful of assault frigates with a lot of tears. I really like the sleepers, they are a fix for some of the most boring AI ever in an MMO and the fact they actually require a few basic tactics and thought to beat rather than just the proper "gear" People have had it too easy to pve in this for too long. That being said I think they should be toned down in one way, I really dislike getting spammed with missiles from 400-500km away. Ditto, we ran into a Shield tanked Drake soloing QUITE well in shallow W space. He was completely T2 tanked and it took 4 BC's to take him down - he couldn't do crap for damage though.
DARTHxFREE State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:27:00 - [19] This is a blatant nerf to all young EvE players, no longer is our 100dps 1000tank Drakes the king of PvE, now we have to stop our carrier training to find something new. /join Cheeze & Whine Club
Zarda Sulan Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:19:00 - [20] My first sleeper encounter was cool- i really dotn think they need nerfing- only thing that was a pain is they all focus fired on my drones and wiped them out pretty quicklly- the AI of the sleeprs is nice though- one of the sleepers AI was pretty adaptive- when i realised my assault missiles where out of range and not hitting it i moved in closer only for the sleeper to actually move out of range again and tried to keep the distance- luckilly i had afterburners and used that to get back in range so my heavy assualts could hit him. i thought that was pretty cool adaptive AI Huh?

Naomi Wynn Amarr Wynn Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Zarda Sulan i moved in closer only for the sleeper to actually move out of range again and tried to keep the distance Haven't npcs been doing that for like... years?
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Naomi Wynn Originally by: Zarda Sulan i moved in closer only for the sleeper to actually move out of range again and tried to keep the distance Haven't npcs been doing that for like... years? Yeah, basically. All NPCs have a optimal range that they try to keep at. It's not always noticeable since they're so slow, though. Seems like every sleeper ship has some kind of propulsion system, and they almost all web. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Zarda Sulan Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:40:00 - [23] well never noticed it on other npc shipsas they all seemed to stay within the 10km range- but this sleeper kept moving away quite quicklly from me- very noticable on it Huh?
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:46:00 - [24] In WormHole Space, NPC Farm YOU Terianna Eri > :( i wish i were as good a forum *** as karrade Originally by:** Ginako Karrade is
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:47:00 - [25] What damage type are they doing? EM and Thermal?
UniOne	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:54:00 - [26] Well i have an alt, but since he was in nice implant i let he be in station... My engage to sleepers was trough high sec since i was alone, and what i was really looking for was pvp not pve, but since i pass my myrm to that WH, i thought...what a hell, let me kill something at least. So i was pvp fit myrm, probe launcher and salvager (lol)..... Scanned, and found 4 ''sleeper spots'' and i thought -"well, lets clear all this things, and head back to empire, drop the loot and go to sleep"- first i warped @100km make an aproach, carefully, i was on mwd, and at 95km i was allready beeing hit by the sentrys, then it came the frigates, and finnaly the cruisers. I got rid of the frigates with HobGobs II scooped them and changed to Hammers II, the minute i launched them, they start agroo the drones, scooped them again... engage was on me, and back again with the drones... well...i did this like 6623468237 times.... and at least with no cap... crippled drones, no range, no tank it came another wave..... and then i thought -"well, its late, and i have to go to work tomorow, i should head back before WH collapse"- what a coward i was, omg... i just had time to loot one wreck, leaved there the rest, one npc got away, i surely have to work more on this spleepers ''out-fits'' because solo'ing this is kinda hard u'll have to be prepared to alot of difrent things. But i will put myself in the mud if anytime i get stuck in W-space. :) cheerz ----------------------------------------- Semper Fi
Randysim	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:29:00 - [27] I bet sleepers have thier own markets now selling loot from player wrecks -). Good luck to them
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:33:00 - [28] You can solo, some CAs if you know what your doing. 1st and 2nd wave maybe. I'd avoid triggering subsequent waves and just loot salvage while tanking the trigger rats. As an example, I took my Domi into a "Frontier" site. Now a sleeper ship will dish the same or more damage as a decent fit player ship of the same size. So I could take on 4 cruisers, couple of frigs, so spawn 1 and spawn 2, no problem. When spawn 3 turns up with a BS and 4 cruisers. No chance, time to warp out. I've got 2 gripes with the sleepers. 1. NPC EW cheating. 2. Can insta lock and insta pop drones. They have no regard for tiny sig of small drones or any tracking problem. Sleeper Missiles too don't seem to follow player rules on sig/speed of target. I do not believe this is in line with real player vs drone capabilities and needs toning down a little. IMO
Napo Cloud Gallente First Clan Corp FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:35:00 - [29] Originally by: kessah What damage type are they doing? EM and Thermal? Sleepers do omni tank and deal omni damage.
Nierna	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Zarda Sulan My first sleeper encounter was cool- i really dotn think they need nerfing- only thing that was a pain is they all focus fired on my drones and wiped them out pretty quicklly- the AI of the sleeprs is nice though- one of the sleepers AI was pretty adaptive- when i realised my assault missiles where out of range and not hitting it i moved in closer only for the sleeper to actually move out of range again and tried to keep the distance- luckilly i had afterburners and used that to get back in range so my heavy assualts could hit him. i thought that was pretty cool adaptive AI sleepers will actualy check your max range and stay just out of it if thier optimal permits it. for example. if there where 3 sleeper frigates and they orbited you at 5 KM. you activate a large SB they will move to 7 KM orbit.

Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:54:00 - [31] I really dig how they don't just blob and come at you in a straight line. They spread out, some go up, some down, some to the sides all trying to keep their angular velocity and whatever up as they come in from all sides. Purty neat-o cool. And it sucks how they make quick work of me drones. Note to self: Next foray into WS, bring lots of spare drones. Now... if there were only a way to get them from your cargo to your dronebay......
Elishan Rosewood	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Karrade Krise In WormHole Space, NPC Farm YOU This.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Nierna sleepers will actualy check your max range and stay just out of it if thier optimal permits it. for example. if there where 3 sleeper frigates and they orbited you at 5 KM. you activate a large SB they will move to 7 KM orbit. Emergent defender frigs didn't evade my large Shadow Serp SB even though they were sitting just under it's max range.
Ace Secunda Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:49:00 - [34] Damn, I came in here expecting some official 'sleeper' WINE, misread the title :( Was looking forward to a glass of 'Sleeper' Chattaux 25 year old Red with a fruity and oaky after-taste! 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
Carcosa Hali Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Ace Secunda Damn, I came in here expecting some official 'sleeper' WINE, misread the title :( Was looking forward to a glass of 'Sleeper' Chattaux 25 year old Red with a fruity and oaky after-taste! points toward the vast shadow looming on the horizon Just wait, it's coming. -------------- Sometimes you lose it all... The Secret History of Sansha's Nation
Carl Tremura Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:39:00 - [36] 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Fisrt assualt the 2 caps went in... due to some bug saying that he didnt have the skill to operate drones, the carrier didnt get any drones out... went into triage as he was getting bbq'd.... after triage he reattempted to launch drones and it worked. The revelation went into siege (for same reason) and took out the sentry guns while the chimera killed off the small ships... both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! Rev down. (the hull of the shipwreck stayed tho.. quite nice...) the chimera got a lucky break in the scramming and webbing and managed to get to warp... I followed in my pod... the chimera jumped out of the wormhole, and it collapsed (which woulda left the rev stuck there anyway.) Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. And yea they were instapopping fighters like flies on a buglight. Fun... expensive... and damn near impossible. (you should get SOME hits on battleships with a sieged dread with correct ranged crystals) Not *****ing.. just telling my story... I am sure there is a better way to do it... but to save people effort and caps... this was not it. ///Carl Tremura
teji Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Carl Tremura 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Look how dumb you are. Love the anti zerg mechanics.
zSecondary GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Carl Tremura Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. No it's not overpowered. You are just terrible at Eve.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Carl Tremura 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Fisrt assualt the 2 caps went in... due to some bug saying that he didnt have the skill to operate drones, the carrier didnt get any drones out... went into triage as he was getting bbq'd.... after triage he reattempted to launch drones and it worked. The revelation went into siege (for same reason) and took out the sentry guns while the chimera killed off the small ships... both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! Rev down. (the hull of the shipwreck stayed tho.. quite nice...) the chimera got a lucky break in the scramming and webbing and managed to get to warp... I followed in my pod... the chimera jumped out of the wormhole, and it collapsed (which woulda left the rev stuck there anyway.) Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. And yea they were instapopping fighters like flies on a buglight. Fun... expensive... and damn near impossible. (you should get SOME hits on battleships with a sieged dread with correct ranged crystals) Not ***ing.. just telling my story... I am sure there is a better way to do it... but to save people effort and caps... this was not it. ///Carl Tremura Here let me help you out with the "overpowered" rats. Max Velocity Bonus -100 % Activation time / duration 600.00 sec Damage Multiplier Bonus 625 % Tech Level 1 Scan Resolution Bonus -75 % Consumption Type Strontium Clathrates Consumption Quantity 500 Tracking Speed Bonus -92.5 % Explosion Velocity Bonus -92.5 % Armor Repair Bonus 100 % Armor Repair Duration Bonus -50 % ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote *gotism -Zurrar
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:57:00 - [40] My guess is that just as all new items in EVE are introduced "pre-nerfed" by design - all new NPC will be introduced "pre-buffed." If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.

Carl Tremura Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:30:00 - [41] I got some good advice from EdFromHumanResources... And btw.. nice inteligent commentary from the other goons.. "you suck.. you're stupid.. blah blah." are we at a 12 year old level now? Should i be saying something like "i'm rubber you're glue.." Yea not gonna go there... but really.. like half a gram of maturity wouldnt hurt. ///Carl
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:33:00 - [42] Originally by: rofflesausage The trick is to blow them up while they are still sleeping. Sleeper Tipping!!!!
Gixxer 1000 Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:37:00 - [43] Typical Goon response, no wonder why people are avoiding the Eve forums more and more each day. And, Ed, remember C9N?
Cpt EVGA	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:50:00 - [44] My first wormhole experience was well fun and wtf style.... We had, 1 mega, 1 command ship, 1 thanny, 2 ravens, 1 prober, and a geddon all bs had RR and shield transfers. Command ship got primaried first, popped in 2 volleys, mega got primaried second, got popped in 4 volleys, I lasted for 3 volleys in my raven with resists 80% around the board with 30k shields. We also went up against 10 sleepers, 6 cruises, 6 frigates. The BS's even warp scrammed from 65km away lol Note to self Remember to bring mining ships in the carrier next time for when you pop you can go mine rare minerals while you wait for prober to find you a way home. All in all, wormholes are badass. I do think the sleepers put out way to much dps. I can last longer to a 40+ man tri fleet in hacs vs 10 sleepers. Might be easier to just gank unsuspecting ships in wormholes for loot now instead of going in and getting it from the sleepers myself :D
Glarion Garnier The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:04:00 - [45] Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 11/03/2009 17:05:35 Originally by: Carl Tremura 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Fisrt assualt the 2 caps went in... due to some bug saying that he didnt have the skill to operate drones, the carrier didnt get any drones out... went into triage as he was getting bbq'd.... after triage he reattempted to launch drones and it worked. The revelation went into siege (for same reason) and took out the sentry guns while the chimera killed off the small ships... both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! Rev down. (the hull of the shipwreck stayed tho.. quite nice...) the chimera got a lucky break in the scramming and webbing and managed to get to warp... I followed in my pod... the chimera jumped out of the wormhole, and it collapsed (which woulda left the rev stuck there anyway.) Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. And yea they were instapopping fighters like flies on a buglight. Fun... expensive... and damn near impossible. (you should get SOME hits on battleships with a sieged dread with correct ranged crystals) Not *****ing.. just telling my story... I am sure there is a better way to do it... but to save people effort and caps... this was not it. ///Carl Tremura Oh man. sounds even more Fun. for one I hope CCP keeps the sleepers as they are. NO need to down tune it. I have yet to venture into WHS (wormhole space) but soon.. .. I cannot wait enough for Tech 4 and Tallocan _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Gixxer 1000 Typical Goon response, no wonder why people are avoiding the Eve forums more and more each day. And, Ed, remember C9N? Sure do, its that system we pushed you out of like a dozen times and finally lost when we had a dozen alliances attacking just us :) Good times. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Luna Nilaya Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Carl Tremura 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Fisrt assualt the 2 caps went in... due to some bug saying that he didnt have the skill to operate drones, the carrier didnt get any drones out... went into triage as he was getting bbq'd.... after triage he reattempted to launch drones and it worked. The revelation went into siege (for same reason) and took out the sentry guns while the chimera killed off the small ships... both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! Rev down. (the hull of the shipwreck stayed tho.. quite nice...) the chimera got a lucky break in the scramming and webbing and managed to get to warp... I followed in my pod... the chimera jumped out of the wormhole, and it collapsed (which woulda left the rev stuck there anyway.) Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. And yea they were instapopping fighters like flies on a buglight. Fun... expensive... and damn near impossible. (you should get SOME hits on battleships with a sieged dread with correct ranged crystals) Not ***ing.. just telling my story... I am sure there is a better way to do it... but to save people effort and caps... this was not it. ///Carl Tremura Have you ever used a dread before? I don't even have a dread yet and I've known for a long time that it doesn't hit anything that moves if you're in siege. - Installing premium content... Deleting file: \boot.ini**
DeadRow Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Ghoest My guess is that just as all new items in EVE are introduced "pre-nerfed" by design - all new NPC will be introduced "pre-buffed." Nah, sleepers are still introducted like all other features and are infact 'pre-nerfed' just wait till the nerf is lifted Norrin Ellis > What?! Boobs aren't inappropriate! They feed children! For God's sake, think of the children!
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:44:00 - [49] CCP had better not touch the difficulty of the sleepers. They're intended to be inhumanly hard, if you want a soft and pleasant game go play something else. The PvE standard should match the PvP standard. Don't fly what you can't lose: Welcome to 0.0
Lord Myre Caldari Heaven's Gate Scalar Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:32:00 - [50] Release the Jovian ships!!!!!!!! These ***es hurt something aweful.........but so much better then the 2 volley rat splat bs thats been around forever. You know you have played way to much Eve when you are in a car accident and run away so you dont get podded.**

RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Ungdall The PvE standard should match the PvP standard. Don't fly what you can't lose: Welcome to 0.0 I want to know where i can buy a BS that can web at 40km, have a split weapons system and do over 1200 dps after resistance, fit a cap stable spidertank and perma run speed mods and Neuts at the same kind of range as a curse. [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
cinefilul Amarr W33D Corp. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.11 22:06:00 - [52] Edited by: cinefilul on 11/03/2009 22:08:11 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 11/03/2009 15:38:46 No wonder you guys didnt manage to take any of our space till we freaking abandoned it Yes, we agree with you... I'm remember when you abandoned C9N. But this is for another part of the forum. Hmm, I'v just noticed that many people remember that. eve is a beautiful game!
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2009.03.11 22:13:00 - [53] Just a brief report: I found my first wormhole (in highsec, 0.7 system) and to get a quick taste of W-space I picked the closest combat ship I had in a hangar near to the system. It was a Rupture with T1 fitting (some modules named). The Rupture survived around 3 seconds against 2 Sleeper cruisers/battlecruisers (don't know exactly, they had cruiser sized red crosses in the overview) when I was far away from optimal distance. At least the entrance wormhole was still open so I could escape in my pod. Well, now I know, W-Space (even reached from highsec) isn't a good place for a single T1 cruiser.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.11 23:20:00 - [54] Originally by: cinefilul Edited by: cinefilul on 11/03/2009 22:08:11 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 11/03/2009 15:38:46 No wonder you guys didnt manage to take any of our space till we freaking abandoned it Yes, we agree with you... I'm remember when you abandoned C9N. But this is for another part of the forum. Hmm, I'v just noticed that many people remember that. You uh, seem pretty proud about taking abandoned space. I guess you take what victories you can. Also I never remember seeing Sys K sov in C9N. Oh wait http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/C9N-CC You've never had sov there so I am not sure what you're crowing about unless you were trying to reference 0OY and got the system wrong :) ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
McTard	Posted - 2009.03.12 01:38:00 - [55] Quote: a BS that can web at 40km, have a split weapons system and do over 1200 dps after resistance, fit a cap stable spidertank and perma run speed mods and Neuts at the same kind of range as a curse. But the Devs said the NPC's don't "cheat" and that they have "AI".
DragonWarp	Posted - 2009.03.12 09:51:00 - [56] Heh, I don't have any whines about the sleepers, they seem to be doing a good job. It was fun killing them. What I do have a whine about is that the wormholes are in the same scan group as complexes. I spend like 10 minutes scanning down a signature, only to find out it's a wormhole, and then I move to the next system, and keep going. I spent like 2 hours scanning systems, always wormholes. I did at last get a mag site, but really, wormholes should be their own scan group....
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.12 10:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Luna Nilaya Have you ever used a dread before? I don't even have a dread yet and I've known for a long time that it doesn't hit anything that moves if you're in siege. I'll just repeat this… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Chairman Lmao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.12 13:51:00 - [58] Edited by: Chairman Lmao on 12/03/2009 13:54:38 Originally by: Carl Tremura 0.0 Core Stronghold: Chimera - Revelation - Golem Fisrt assualt the 2 caps went in... due to some bug saying that he didnt have the skill to operate drones, the carrier didnt get any drones out... went into triage as he was getting bbq'd.... after triage he reattempted to launch drones and it worked. The revelation went into siege (for same reason) and took out the sentry guns while the chimera killed off the small ships... both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! Rev down. (the hull of the shipwreck stayed tho.. quite nice...) the chimera got a lucky break in the scramming and webbing and managed to get to warp... I followed in my pod... the chimera jumped out of the wormhole, and it collapsed (which woulda left the rev stuck there anyway.) Just info for you to absorb... 2 caps couldnt budge the 0.0 Core Stronghold plex more than to kill the small ships and the sentry guns. Imho.. if 2 sieged caps cant pull it off... its a bit over powered. And yea they were instapopping fighters like flies on a buglight. Fun... expensive... and damn near impossible. (you should get SOME hits on battleships with a sieged dread with correct ranged crystals) Not ***ing.. just telling my story... I am sure there is a better way to do it... but to save people effort and caps... this was not it. ///Carl Tremura Hay guys I have no idea what my modules do, wow these Sleepers seem unfair Siege mode, that's like going SSJ3 for my dread right? I'm going to try fitting two** siege modules on my dread next time, those Sleepers don't know who they're dealing with. Guys hey guys why are you calling me dumb? That's not very nice.
Carl Tremura Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.12 16:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Luna Nilaya Have you ever used a dread before? I don't even have a dread yet and I've known for a long time that it doesn't hit anything that moves if you're in siege. I'll just repeat thisà Crow Pod now you can stop repeating mkay.. thanks. ///Carl.
Luxo	Posted - 2009.03.12 16:37:00 - [60] Edited by: Luxo on 12/03/2009 16:43:46 Quote: EdFromHumanResources No wonder you guys didnt manage to take any of our space till we freaking abandoned it Learn how to abandon a system? Thnx for the towers though.. we made some nice profit out of them ^^

DrElJefeMD Caldari Middleton and Mercer LLP Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.12 17:01:00 - [61] I learned last night that logistics ships are not a good idea. Two sentry tower barrages and I was toast. Lesson learned.
Rens Daytrader	Posted - 2009.03.12 17:39:00 - [62] Hey CCP, if you'd like to create encounters that mirror PvP, please don't give your NPCs ridiculously more powerful weapons than are available to players. This just feels very, very difficult, and nothing at all like PvP.
cinefilul Amarr W33D Corp. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.12 18:01:00 - [63] Edited by: cinefilul on 12/03/2009 18:00:56 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Originally by: cinefilul Edited by: cinefilul on 11/03/2009 22:08:11 You've never had sov there so I am not sure what you're crowing about unless you were trying to reference 0OY and got the system wrong :) As I've told you, this is for a different part of the forum. Concerning your last words, again, I totaly agree with you. You are always right, EdFromHumanResources. eve is a beautiful game!
Carl Tremura Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.12 18:07:00 - [64] Quote: Hay guys I have no idea what my modules do, wow these Sleepers seem unfair Siege mode, that's like going SSJ3 for my dread right? I'm going to try fitting two siege modules on my dread next time, those Sleepers don't know who they're dealing with. Guys hey guys why are you calling me dumb? That's not very nice. Nice... go **** yourself. And yes i could have clarified, i was not getting hits at all NON sieged, and sieged after i was scrammed and webbed and was taking too much damage. And also... i been flying dreads for years.. check your killboards. (I am killing one of your towers as we speak with one.) Since no one bothered asking what fit i used, I will explain now.. My rev was modded + serp tracking mods and tracking computers as well as a half bil in gunnery imps... so I expected some hits yes. (Refer to the crow and pod kill posts... A BS then shouldnt be out of the question, granted this was an amarr dread and not a gallente, but my gunnery skills are maxed for both.) If you have some working game mechanical knowledge of why that might have been the issue, I'd love to hear it... If you are just gonna bubble more child spewtum out of your neck stump then please dont bother. ///Carl
King Hopy Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.12 18:33:00 - [65] Edited by: King Hopy on 12/03/2009 18:36:11 Originally by: DrElJefeMD I learned last night that logistics ships are not a good idea. Two sentry tower barrages and I was toast. Lesson learned. If you use dual or more logistics and fit CORRECTLY you are unbeatable by the sleepers. I lost one yesterday, after changing my fit I was vollied down to 80-90% shield instead of to 50% I did before when I died. How to fit them correctly for sleepers, figure that out yourself. Also... bigger is not necessarily better for the sleepers.
Lady Jasnowidz	Posted - 2009.03.12 18:54:00 - [66] Haha love the sleepers, saw my first one today and scared crap out of me... Was prcticing probing, found a WH, decided why not be nice pop in and yell in local "Anyone stuck" no answers, so i warped to a planet and decided see what probs find (i'm in the ammar prob frig 1mil sp pilot, no guns) 14 hits show up, so i'm happily chasing down a grav site, when I hear the "Beep beepp beep beep" of a target lock.... BOOM! BooM! just as I hit warp to zero, I escape at 70% hull, limp slowly into a shiny wormhole belt, praying to Amaar that no sleepers are there, watching my ship vent gas! Actualy got my bookmark, checked out the belt and made it home, was great fun... I realy thought I was a gonner, been so long since an mporg came close to pve actualy killing my cha or having a cost.. so glad I came back to EVE!!
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:23:00 - [67] having great fun with 4 sleeper bs in a solo sleipnir. feels like 0.0 ratting in an assualt frig. awsome larf, please don't tone this down. CAMPING A WORMHOLE NEAR YOU
Swearte Widfarend	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:52:00 - [68] Originally by: DragonWarp Heh, I don't have any whines about the sleepers, they seem to be doing a good job. It was fun killing them. What I do have a whine about is that the wormholes are in the same scan group as complexes. I spend like 10 minutes scanning down a signature, only to find out it's a wormhole, and then I move to the next system, and keep going. I spent like 2 hours scanning systems, always wormholes. I did at last get a mag site, but really, wormholes should be their own scan group.... Yeah, but they report differently, even though they are the same scan group. I found one yesterday but I think it was a bug because even with a 100% sig and a warp to there was no wormhole - either that or my overview was punk'd. If you read the whole scanline it tells the difference between a wormhole and a complex...
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:13:00 - [69] Originally by: cinefilul Edited by: cinefilul on 12/03/2009 18:00:56 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Originally by: cinefilul Edited by: cinefilul on 11/03/2009 22:08:11 You've never had sov there so I am not sure what you're crowing about unless you were trying to reference 0OY and got the system wrong :) As I've told you, this is for a different part of the forum. Concerning your last words, again, I totaly agree with you. You are always right, EdFromHumanResources. You uh, have no idea how to post do you? ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
DragonWarp	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Swearte Widfarend Originally by: DragonWarp Heh, I don't have any whines about the sleepers, they seem to be doing a good job. It was fun killing them. What I do have a whine about is that the wormholes are in the same scan group as complexes. I spend like 10 minutes scanning down a signature, only to find out it's a wormhole, and then I move to the next system, and keep going. I spent like 2 hours scanning systems, always wormholes. I did at last get a mag site, but really, wormholes should be their own scan group.... Yeah, but they report differently, even though they are the same scan group. I found one yesterday but I think it was a bug because even with a 100% sig and a warp to there was no wormhole - either that or my overview was punk'd. If you read the whole scanline it tells the difference between a wormhole and a complex... They only report differently after you have spent ages scanning them up to 70+% scan strength. I'm wanting to be able to tell if it's a wormhole by like, 5% or so..... Or best, would be to be able to filter, like you can filter out cosmic anomaly's. ~Dragon

Durindana Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Tuberider feels like 0.0 ratting in an assualt frig. exactly what I thought, reminds me of wandering around omist in an AB Blarpy ... except I never lost an AF to NPCs in 0.0 lulz. Not so the Sleepers and my Vultures
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Carl Tremura both ships were webbed and scrammed to heck and back by the sleeper BS's (yes thats right BS's) the revelation coulndt hit a single BS.. not even one hit thru 2 siege cycles. ??? Now that aint right... anyhoo.... 2nd siege cycle ending... guns off as they were useless... dual reppers pumping... cap dissappearing... tank failed... boom! That doesn't sound like you were trying to pew pew outside of siege mode. Perhaps consider editing your original post to remove the part where you sound like you don't know what you're doing. Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Sure do, its that system we pushed you out of like a dozen times and finally lost when we had a dozen alliances attacking just us :) Good times. Of course, the fact that the dozen alliances you were fighting weren't as big as Goonswarm, much less Goons + MM + RAZR. But keep going, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Swaffer	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:59:00 - [73] Well, i think the sleepers are just about right, everyone knew they were going to be hard. As for losing Caps, your not doing things right, firstly i wouldn't use a dread, not enough fire power if fitted with BS weapons, even Moros drones would probably go down quickly. As for carriers, i had success with taking my carrier in, not going to give away how i did it. But i was a solo carrier, and i took on 6 BSs 4 frigs and 5 fixed guns, cap and tank never in any danger. Just takes a LONG TIME to kill the sleepers.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Swaffer Well, i think the sleepers are just about right, everyone knew they were going to be hard. As for losing Caps, your not doing things right, firstly i wouldn't use a dread, not enough fire power if fitted with BS weapons, even Moros drones would probably go down quickly. As for carriers, i had success with taking my carrier in, not going to give away how i did it. But i was a solo carrier, and i took on 6 BSs 4 frigs and 5 fixed guns, cap and tank never in any danger. Just takes a LONG TIME to kill the sleepers. I think I can guess at your fit, we're planning on deploying carriers with our fleet and came up with some good ideas for fitting them. It's reassuring to know they can tank that many sleeper ships solo, should be a breeze to keep a fleet supported by a carrier alive. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:42:00 - [75] They are tough, but can be dealt with through proven pvp tactics. Tank&Gank alone will simply not cut it.
Han'Ek Tola	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:38:00 - [76] Scanned down a WH, got a few Corpmates to show up, had a total of 4 BS, 1 Hac and 1 Inty. Took down several spots with Sleepers, some frigs, some cruisers and some BS. Didn't lose a thing, though the HaC got close to it a few times. All in all was fun.
Aldarica Spinal Discipline	Posted - 2009.03.13 01:17:00 - [77] Oh come on ppl don't whine how Sleepers are overpowered. PvE in Eve needed something really dangerous and different from old boring L4/5 missions. So CCP you did a great job with W-space and Sleepers! Don' touch them, let them stay as they are
Glarion Garnier The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.13 05:56:00 - [78] For anyone who whines or cry's about sleepers having uber ships and beeing hard. That's the point! That is why you are after their ship parts to build uber ships your self. Most of you are men so use that logic of yours. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
M0izo	Posted - 2009.03.13 16:24:00 - [79] I thought sleepers were supposed to like defend their technology or whatever, i suppose they are but there are no respawns in gas clouds, im a bit like aww lame, now the boring gas harvesting is even more...boring. Other then that, i love it, but...is there any tactic that will work besides massive amounts of remote rep? we took down a stronghold with 5 bs's remote repping, sleepers dont instapwn drones, dont know where you got that from, also...ECM drones work (but draw extra aggro). now..wtf...starship engineering V and cruiser constr. V to build t3 hulls ??? not fun...
kera3	Posted - 2009.03.13 21:54:00 - [80] Originally by: RedSplat This thread represents an attempt to confine whines about sleepers being: requiring teamwork/quote] Since when is encouraging teamwork a bad thing. Its like the whole point of the game

Word	Posted - 2009.03.13 22:39:00 - [81] Started from a 0.5 system today lost a Slasher scout 180 km from the sentry, np, then finished off the Perimeter camp with a vagabond. Np tanking the 2 sentries. Like everyone says, the sleepers eat drones like a quick snack. The energy weapons effects look great. Went back to get my salvage frig and cleaned up the wrecks. From reading here, I was lucky the WH didn't collapse, since I didn't have probes, could have lost a nice HAC. I made about 5 mil in an hour or so. Should be better stuff for the risk you take. I want to be LUDICROUS
King Hopy Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.13 22:44:00 - [82] How the hell can you only make 5mils considering the sleeper "tag" prices ?
SLEEPERS 4a81	Posted - 2009.03.14 23:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Carl Tremura My rev was modded + serp tracking mods and tracking computers as well as a half bil in gunnery imps... so I expected some hits yes. (Refer to the crow and pod kill posts... A BS then shouldnt be out of the question, granted this was an amarr dread and not a gallente, but my gunnery skills are maxed for both.) If you have some working game mechanical knowledge of why that might have been the issue, I'd love to hear it... If you are just gonna bubble more child spewtum out of your neck stump then please dont bother. ///Carl ...and WE loved your revelation: crunchy and with a delicious taste. May I suggest to extend invitations to all those GoonZ that feel themselves so brave ?? WE are still hunnnngry...., TO THE WHINERS: Hey you guys !! Stop whining !!! WE ARE NOT UBERPOWERED !!!!! Okay?


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