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Mister Zero Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:50:00 - [1] I'm about to scan down a wormhole, is there any intel on damage types from these new drones? Threat Level: Interesting
James Malice Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:59:00 - [2] They deal: All damage types They tank: All damage types They work: As a team AI level: High Chance of soloing a group of them: <1% Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:06:00 - [3] Originally by: James Malice They deal: All damage types They tank: All damage types They work: As a team AI level: High Chance of soloing a group of them: w <1% lol sounds like a ****ed situation
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:07:00 - [4] Originally by: ShadowGod56 Originally by: James Malice They deal: All damage types They tank: All damage types They work: As a team AI level: High Chance of soloing a group of them: w <1% lol sounds like a ****ed situation Even the highsec ones?
James Malice Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Originally by: ShadowGod56 Originally by: James Malice They deal: All damage types They tank: All damage types They work: As a team AI level: High Chance of soloing a group of them: w <1% lol sounds like a **ed situation Even the highsec ones? From what i've heard, yes. W-space was made specificaly for the MULTIPLAYER aspect of the MMORPG EVE online, you need multiple players to do what you need to do. Originally by:** MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:19:00 - [6] Even the tiny 4x Frigate sized spawns need a gang. Treat them as you would enemy players, they are just as dangerous. 4 Well-FCed frigates can barely take out 4 sleeper frigates. Gangs are required, as well as FCing and good cordination between players. That said, sleepers actually made me enjoy PvE. Job well done CCP. __ Recruiting
emi nenCe	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:20:00 - [7] found a wh in highsec today. was in a drake and was able to solo cosmic anomalies(the ones u can find with onboard scanner). first spawn 3 cruiser and 2 frigs. kill that then a bs and more cruisers warp in and so on. didnt scram me or web me. some frigs used NOS on me though. widowmaker(thermal) missiles did the most damage to the sleepers. gonna try cosmic signatures tomorrow.
bnogo Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:24:00 - [8] yes the easy plexes from highsec empire is soloable. in a passive recharge eagle i had a site that was 3 cruisers to frigs. easy. next spawn was 1 BS 2 cruisers. had to warp out several times but did it. then again 1 bs and 2 cruisers. same thing, multiple warp out-ins, but doable. was it profitable time was? probably not. was i having more fun with pve than ever before? YES!!!
Kalorian Elipse Inc. Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.03.11 05:25:00 - [9] I've seen an eve video with spider tanking on the 0.0 WH's. Found a high sec WH earlier this evening. Did not engage the rats but noticed that the spawns were small frigates/cruisers. For Miners: So far the belts scanned down in wormhole space are useless. Veld/Scor/Pyro LowSec Moon Data \| POS Consultancy
EVE's WeekendWarrior	Posted - 2009.03.11 05:37:00 - [10] If you want info, keep up with my blog over the weekend, next week, and next weekends as well as later on. I will be providing posts and articles on Apocrypha, new features, tips, and wormhole content! Blog is EVE's Weekend Warrior @ http://evewarrior.com Feel free to follow my Twitter as well if you like!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Skira Ranos Even the tiny 4x Frigate sized spawns need a gang. Treat them as you would enemy players, they are just as dangerous. 4 Well-FCed frigates can barely take out 4 sleeper frigates. Gangs are required, as well as FCing and good cordination between players. That said, sleepers actually made me enjoy PvE. Job well done CCP. You sir are full of "IT". I took down 6 frigs in a buffer tanked ruppy no problem. We took down the first spawn of a big nasty plex with 3 cruisers and a bomber. It ain't that hard. Stop, hammer time.
Hacra Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Hacra on 11/03/2009 06:22:19 Yesterday i went to one of these 0.0 wormholes and encountered sleeper battleships with other ships, they have: A) really hard tank B) very hard to solo (if not impossible) C) dps fitted mega did somewhat shydamage to them. D) they change targets and kill your drones. Edit: Remote repping was most definately needed.
Malande Center For High Times	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Megan Maynard You sir are full of "IT". I took down 6 frigs in a buffer tanked ruppy no problem. We took down the first spawn of a big nasty plex with 3 cruisers and a bomber. It ain't that hard. Well then you miss are even more "Full of IT" I believe Skira's post was in relation to w-space accessed in 0.0, where a small spawn of frig's, cruiser's and a BS were giving a carrier a hard time today, the carrier only just escaped after the sleeper spawn wiped out the rest of his fleet Yes im sure some of the w-holes in hi-sec lead to soloable content but you can be pretty sure none of the good stuff will be dropping there ;)
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:44:00 - [14] I was under the impressions capships (and in fact any ships that can't use stargates) couldn't access wormhole space. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:46:00 - [15] Hi-Sec W-Hole space seems doable solo although only done two sites so far. Passive tanked Nighthawk with decent skills. No doubt that some spawns will be pretty tough though, but picking the right targets and being ready to get out if it gets too hot should keep the ship alive and if the sleepers remain like the ones I have so far encountered I think it could be pretty profitable. As for the ones in 0.0, friend of mine went with a group of remote-rep battleships and a carrier, think most battleships died and the carrier was lucky to get out from what I heard. Oh and the W-Hole collapsed meaning they had to find another which led into Delve lol.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Corwain I was under the impressions capships (and in fact any ships that can't use stargates) couldn't access wormhole space. I think they cant Cyno into W-Hole Space, but they must be able to enter through the actual wormhole.
Mavrk	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:05:00 - [17] Okay lets get some stuff down here. Spawns in the wormhole plexes cannot be whole heartedly predicted just yet. Today, a few friends of mine took in four BS's all remote repping each other and they were almost downed instantly from sleeper fire. We lost two ships <geddon and baddon> We decided that we'd go and see if we could fit a carrier through. the one we had been moving through had prven to jusst fit a carrier through (had to dock a few ships in it to squeeze them through) we engaged the SAME plex, but this time instead of three BS's spawning, 6 did. And they pretty much alpha'd a plate mega. with 36k armor. and three cap reps on him. needless to say out of the 5 BS team and carrier that we went in there with, we left with just one Domi docked with deep structural damage in the carrier, which was missing half of its drone's. (We actually almost lost the carrier, thank god the aggro on the drones kept it off of him for just enough time to gtfo) Given, you might have found a spot that you can run with a few cruisers and a bomber, but there are definitaly some sites that can kick your rear end out through your mouth, and send you packing back home in your pod. PS this may have been a nullsec WH, but next door to it was a highsec WH leading to some spot in and around amarr... That just goes to show you that these WH's really can get random on their dificulty and position. null -> WH -> WH -> highsec doesn't get much more random than that...
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Skira Ranos That said, sleepers actually made me enjoy PvE. This is forbidden! Expect CCP sweeper team at your door soon(tm). Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:49:00 - [19] My personal experience for trying to solo a "dangerous" wormhole that had two exit wormholes into 0.5: - Use BS minimum (I used Domi with: 3 x 250 rails, 3 x Neutron blasters (yes medium guns- damage not so good on guns but tracking made up for it), AB, web, cap booster, cap rechargers, dual reps, active explosive, thermal & kinetic hardeners, EANM, damage control). With this setup I was able to take on the initial 5 frigate & 5 cruiser spawn of Ladar site without too much trouble & could tank a 3 cruiser, 1 BS belt spawn for 10 mins. - IMHO, fitting should be tank heavy, critical parts in your fit should be dual reps, cap booster & damage control (8000 structure hit points with 60% resists WILL be needed & used) - As others have said, sleeper damage is everything - Med blasters & web were very good for taking out frigate sleepers (once they were webbed I could take them out with the help of light drones in about 2 mins) - 3 rails was enough to make an impact against the cruisers. With drones & rails, it took about 5 mins to take out a cruiser - The plex cruisers I went up against tried to keep range at 30km, frigates 6.5km. Belt cruisers kept range at 15km and scrambled from 15km - Sleepers love drones and I ended up loosing a total of 50 (meds & lights)... I'd recommend spamming lights- they were eaten up pretty fast but it kept fire off me for extended periods of time - Tried a small belt spawn of 2 cruisers & 1 BS but had to bug out after 5 mins (too much DPS, cap boosters were nearly gone & I was using an all blaster fit at the time)
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:31:00 - [20] One of the first players on sisi to try them out and they havent done much tweaking since then, but I will confirm that youll need some smarts before you engage any sleeper and hopefully you can GTFO before they're on top of you or bbqing once you figure out that the plex your in is a bad idea. Scout ships are nice, knowing the enemy grade is nicer, knowing wormhole grade is a nice preview of whats sort of rear end kicking to be done. Unknown has a good bit of solo content while Dangerous is something managable and Deadly space is well, nothing but kill zone for visitors. ============= Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Zakarazor	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:54:00 - [21] is it possible to solo a highsec wormhole(frigspawns) with a retribution? if it is maybe one of my favorite ships finaly got a role!
Kayden Black	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:07:00 - [22] Spent some time in a 0.0 WH earlier today. 2 x shield tanked ishtars, geddon & a domi. Cleared 3 or 4 sites, typically starts off with 3 frigs & 2 cruisers, 2nd spawn 4 cruisers, 3rd spawn 1 bs & 3 frigs. The first spawn - not particuarly difficult - can be cleared with a single shield ishtar, 2nd spawn can justbe cleared with an ishtar - 3rd spawn multiple players required, and whoever they primary will have to warp out - usually 2 - 3 warp outs. Also had 1 site that had multiple turrets and BS's - turrets were dealing 500 - 1000 damage per hit, the BS's (depending on resists) hit from anywhere between 500 to 2200 per hit. Multiple BS alpha = bad news. Picked up some interesting loot & salvage - be even more interesting when we figure out what it's all for.
Neddy Fox Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Neddy Fox on 11/03/2009 10:24:26 I have started building loads of Domi's :P We had 5 RR domi's (2 local reps, 1 remote), and headed into 'dangerous' w-space. All anomalies where cleared without warping out. You have to micromanage drones, but all fine, esp, the T2 sentries do a marvelous job. I have soloed the first spawn of a magno site in dangerous space, 5 cruisers 10 frigates, but the 2nd spawn wtfpwned me in seconds. (10 cruisers). As I didn't have enough time to test, I didn't try to hack the cans. I know some magno cans can be hacked while NPC's are there, so it might be possible to shoot most (not all) to get DPS off you, and then hack all cans. This site had 15+ cans btw. Loadout : 2 x LAR, EANM, Kin/Expl/Therm hardener, DC Cap boosters, scram, web, TP, analyzer highs : w/e you like, I had tractor and salvager, some medium blasters for the frigs, 1 rmar for my drones, and a drone augmentor. Smartbombs might also work. If you can, bring a BR with lots and lots of cap booster 800's. They do NOT drop, so when you ran out, it's game over. Edit : 5 x Garde II, 5 x OgreII, and the rest of the drone bay full of T1 warriors in case I need to warp out.. Release drones, get aggro off you, warp. ---- [PXIN Recruiter] PXIN Recruitement thread
sarako	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:25:00 - [24] ODIXIE wormhole report: wormhole was located near planet IV at 3-10-09 / 31:10 wormhole ID K162 lead to w-space text stated colapse within a day and was mass stable the otherside was identified as D845 labled as leading to highsec space the system entered ID: J110924 standard construction system of planets and moons about 12 anomolies/astroid fields? and about 7 enemy fortifications enemy standard responce first wave usually 2 cruisers and 2 frigates followed by 4 cruisers followed by 4 cruisers and a BS damage types was mixed but powerful enemy tended to be armor and structure only I tried scanning several with ship scanned and recieved nothing there is no chartable exploration value to any of these systems uncharded planets remain unchartable so these systems might as well be instanced as they are 99% allready minerals at least up through the mid ores including jaspet kernite hemo hed ect.
Zey Nadar Gallente Stormwatch Galactic BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:35:00 - [25] Edited by: Zey Nadar on 11/03/2009 10:36:04 Originally by: Kalorian For Miners: So far the belts scanned down in wormhole space are useless. Veld/Scor/Pyro I found a highsec wormhole where a grav site contained ore up to spodumain. There werent many asteroids though so I suspect such ore is bit rare.
Sawirek Caldari BLACK BARONS	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:37:00 - [26] They tank and shoot every damage at you, a hole in your tank = a hole in your plan tanking them Resists > Buffer (does not mean you don't need any) Use your enviroment and added bonuses in W-Space HAC = Sleeper Frigate popmobile Sleeper BS = HAC popmobile Sleepers tryes to attack in packs, if not possible they will try to regroup "Those BS won't have a tracking to hit an orbiting inty" = WRONG Sleeper Frigattes deal like normal rats cruiser dmg, cruisers like BS dmg, BS like OMGBBQ dmg Beware the sentries, they don't bite, they pulverize (they are snipable from 150+ km tho) "Those beams are the worst of their weapons" = WRONG again, those missiles are, they tend to hit in packs, sending you from 20% armor to pod, even if you tank them, there will be a huge drop on impacts They have armor and structure, no shield, they use not very effective spider tanks to repair They target and POP drones, like reaaaly fast Stay in a group, they like to catch stranded ships out of remote rep range Headon approach = leaving W-Space in pods. Recon, Analize, Think, Deploy, Dominate *
Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Zey Nadar Edited by: Zey Nadar on 11/03/2009 10:36:04 Originally by: Kalorian For Miners: So far the belts scanned down in wormhole space are useless. Veld/Scor/Pyro I found a highsec wormhole where a grav site contained ore up to spodumain. There werent many asteroids though so I suspect such ore is bit rare. In the "dangerous" wormhole that I was in (from 0.5) there was a "rarified core deposit"- this had around 5 large rocks of each of the high end roids in it (ark, gneiss, bistot etc.) Unfortunately it was defended by 1 BS & 2 cruiser sized sleepers... I was solo in a Domi and managed to kill the cruisers but the BS was too much (even point blank with blasters)... that bit from Battlestar Galactica came to mind "We can't stand toe to toe with those Base ships"
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:50:00 - [28] Did a couple of Cosmic Anomalies in an Unknown tonight (from 0.6), in a T2 Drake omnitanked, not too heavily though (but with t1 purger rigs). One that started with one BS (Sleepless Defender) and three turrets (Argos) was soloable, with a few warpouts. The BS used a webber. Killed all three turrets first, was just able to take out one before my tank got to critical levels, then stabilized after the 2nd. BS took forever to kill, almost a full rack of Fury heavies. 2nd spawn was 4 cruisers (Awakened Defender), easy to tank, easy to kill. I shut off my hardeners to get some cap to run my afterburner a bit and pick up loots. They did all web. 3rd and final spawn was 4 frigs that webbed (Emergent Defender) and 2 BS (Sleepless again), untankable. Killed 2 frigs at a time, the second time damaging one BS a bit before warping out. On my third trip I finished off the damaged BS and was able to tank the last one til completion. Lost a couple of drones on the frig spawn, they got webbed and I couldn't pull them back. Nothing warp scrambled. Loot is light, salvage is heavy (Reinforced Metal Scraps lol?) But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Kayden Black	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:51:00 - [29] Another thing - the BS's are fast - we clocked one at around 800m/s
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:57:00 - [30] Has anybody tried tanking mainly EM/thermal and using defender missles to get rid of their Kinetic/Explosive missles?

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