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RAIDEN TEYREL
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:12:00 -
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JITA and the bug monsters.
C`MON PEOPLE give CCP a break, you should ALL know by now every patch has issues on release. It isn`t gonna be perfect, there WILL be bugs / issues. If you cant warp into JITA ( or other ) systems, do something else !!! You have alts, play with them, but quit the whining. IT IS A GAME.
Thumbs up to CCP yet again for a great add-on, buggy but I like it. Upgrade to Rats for the wheels, they`re smarter than those hamsters your using
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Night Doc
Orekaria
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: RAIDEN TEYREL JITA and the bug monsters.
C`MON PEOPLE give CCP a break, you should ALL know by now every patch has issues on release. It isn`t gonna be perfect, there WILL be bugs / issues. If you cant warp into JITA ( or other ) systems, do something else !!! You have alts, play with them, but quit the whining. IT IS A GAME.
And you keep whining... the whiners. Good point
The fact is that EVE right now is a mess, that we know they will fix it, that we don't know when (neither CCP does), and that we are still surprised how old fixed issues came back again and again, a long with new nasty ones. I would say the initial code analysis hurts and python was a bad choice. At least they "overhaul", what should mean that once a feature is running as intended , should run somooth forever. - Target analysis - Fit EVE to screen - EFT setup sort |
Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rampant RabbitP Edited by: Rampant RabbitP on 12/03/2009 23:39:33 Q = Ummmm what is a Jita ?
A = Its that place everyone wants to go away (Including CCP) but does nothing about it and still sells their junk there.
Strange, of all the ppl I play with I don't know one who wants jita to go away. Jita is great and it being down is a **** off
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Keyra Norassenne
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hotha I just heard the simultaneous groans of 35k+ neckbeards around the world.
Sir, I seriously oppose this generalization. I take a shower on a regular basis, during each expansion download.
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Dzil
Caldari Apache Research Team
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:20:00 -
[125]
Any plans to work that short hop NPC transport system in? Lots of traders could operate out of neighboring systems just fine, but we still gotta be able to somehow pick up our goods:P
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Dzil
Caldari Apache Research Team
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Keyra Norassenne
Originally by: Hotha I just heard the simultaneous groans of 35k+ neckbeards around the world.
Sir, I seriously oppose this generalization. I take a shower on a regular basis, during each expansion download.
Yes, thank you CCP for multiple expansions per year - your continued efforts to promote hygiene among the playerbase have not gone unnoticed.
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Gix Titan
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Posted - 2009.03.13 21:33:00 -
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CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
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Khalia Nestune
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Posted - 2009.03.14 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gix Titan CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
It doesn't work like that - block of ad space are reserved ahead of time on a contract basis, you can't just turn them on and off as you want. Besides, if they bring in more money, then taking them down would actually /hurt/ CCP.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.14 08:08:00 -
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/me thinks CCP needs to fire its networking engineers and half its software programmers and find new ones. :) <--- is a 20yr experienced network engineer with probably 5x more experiences than any of the guys at CCP haha.
You don't talk like one. Plus you can be 20 years in a job without the skill or mental flexibility to be considered worth an important position like they got.
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A week or two later when a developer just stumbles across a few lines of code and starts his/her head on the keyboard out of pure frustration with all of them having overlooked the appearantly obvious a new patch is prepared and the problem is resolved
... and this is what in reality happens (unlike the first quote).
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This is a chronic scenario with CCP. In ways that seem beyond comprehension CCP is able to recreate old problems again and again. in my 45 years in programming
Because 45 years of programming don't count in specific scenarios like this.
This is a typical case of ancient code base that is passed thru "generations" to maintain. There's some old stuff (see the POS code, causing the infamous trillions exploit) that it's not touched with a pole because it complex and made with criteria now abandoned. It's a relatively recent thing, to code with team tools, test suites and so on. Old coder = nights and beers and smokes spent slamming half assembler half C, getting asleep, waking up with "THE solution". Of course that stuff would not really be considered "industry strong" nowadays but coding was an odd kind of art for particular headcases in the early days.
I stumbled across a similar situation when I got contracted an huge para-military C software (parts in 16 bits for Windows 2.0 made with a DOS compiler, and we were using Windows XP already!).
10+ man years worth of software that took 2 people 3 years to constantly fix it for 8 hours a day.
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That's not acceptable to me as a customer, when I cannot get into my character to play the game that I pay a subscription on.....
A sensible behavior would be to do like for other MMOs: "we are giving X days of free subscription for those days you could not play".
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give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node
Ever wondered why nodes cover whole systems (usually multiple of them, except Jita and except when a corp plans an huge fight and calls CCP to reserve them a server for the day?)
The "system" is not supporting multiple nodes per system, it's a fundamental design decision made at long time past. The only supported "solution" would be to put Jita in 1 separate system as lone station, but the effort would bring marginal gains seeing how the huge majority of players in Jita use that station anyway.
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: searchi put the 4-4 cna station on an extra node is what i preach since years...
Remove all special measures in Jita - put back mission agents, belts,...
The fees for transactions should increase in stations or systems where there is too much work for the staff to deal with.
My solution is rather more likely to work.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.17 11:09:00 -
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actually i think wormholes once again are the cure for market issues. Instead of going to jita as a buyer from low sec i find it useful or random wormholes to pop up into other high sec parts and i usually buy what i can find within 1-2 jumps and then vanish down the rabbit hole again. From amarr low sec ive been able to get missiles faction ones at that from black rise, gas cloud harvestors and gurista gear, same goes for minmatar faction gear and then selling dark blood gear into non amarr hubs like minmatar space where u can charge a little bit more and people will pay the prices
In our local market area we are finding more outsiders turning up some locals will try to shoot them but from a offline i have market orders up and volumes have noticed and increase in our designated selling system more volumes going through it has opened up the area
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Irish Blend
Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:03:00 -
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Jita is not the best place to sell for the highest price Jita is not the best place to buy for the lowest price People just go there for many reasons.
You can do lots of things to force the players to go to other stations and markets to sell. All of which are fixes for a technical limitation compared to the number of players that demand that resouce.
If you can't handle the technical demands, then put game mechanics in to penalize the players who push Jita past the limits you can handle. * Fees to have items listed on the market that are higher then other markets * Fees that go up the more items listed on that stations exchange * Docking fees * Undocking fees * Fees to stay in the system, per hour. Don't pay it, get warped out to one of the random systems 1-2 jumps out. Of course wardec's and PvP could exploit this, so this has to be thought out * Fees to enter the system
Lots of things to cut into the profits of people living there instead of cutting over to any of the border systems in the same region.
But I agree with previous posters - end local in Jita will kill lots of contracts, lots of spam scam alts, and cut down on the garbage chat. Thats a cheap and easy fix Simple line of code in the UI If Local _polulation > 200 then dont broadcast clients message to local Drop this in the next patch
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Pirva
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:51:00 -
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Simple answer to this.
Mute local. Seriously.
Just do it and let legitimate traders use the hub. If you mute local then the population will drop like a stone as most of the local spammers are also scammers. I don't have a problem with scammers but at times like this when the MAIN TRADE HUB of the game is useless at the busiest time of the week then a plan would be a good idea.
Then again you don't much care do you?
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CountX CX
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:50:00 -
[134]
I agree with post above me.
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Pirva
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Posted - 2009.03.22 15:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CountX CX I agree with post above me.
Thank you for that but with my sub renewal looming I've taken the decision to suspend. I dearly love the game but in the current economic climate I'm not paying for a bodged development cycle. I'm tired of battling with lag, bugs and a graphics engine that's appallingly bad.
If I see some cheap boxes in a shop (its a certainty - just look at play.com's new & used stock) then I may come back.
Best of luck to all of you who remain
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CivirexPunishment
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:56:00 -
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Easiest way to fix Jita drop it to a 0.4 system that well stop the traffic..lol
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Anemonae Ambrosia
Gallente V e x i l l u m
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[137]
I agree with the post above me
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: CivirexPunishment Easiest way to fix Jita drop it to a 0.4 system that well stop the traffic..lol
Fantastic, this will cut traffic down to almost 0 pilots in Jita.....But what will we do to reduce lag for the 1200 people in New Caldari, Perimeter or where ever everyone decides to move?
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Fadira
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:08:00 -
[139]
lol ^^
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Checkbit
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:04:00 -
[140]
Put simply, Jita 4-4 is a self perpetuating nightmare, everyone feels the need to buy / sell stuff there because everyone feels the need to buy / sell stuff there.
I've no doubt that CCP have assigned as many resources they can hardware wise to solve the problem, but all said and done it's a player led market, so if people want to go to 4-4 to sell their stuff then that's were people will go.
I do agree with getting rid of local chat in jita, it'd get rid of some of the lame scammers, and maybe some way of setting your destination gate out of 4-4 and creating multiple exits so you'd undock and be aligned to your chosen outgate, or as soon as you undock, you automatically get warped to a random bit of jita space.
Failing that, have a flotilla of concorde ships that open fire on ships that just undock and don't move away from the station within 30 seconds
You could introduce higher fees for selling stuff at 4-4 but that'll just eventually move the problem to another station in jita, or if you make it jita-wide then new caldari will get the same problem.
Any serious traders have the skills to sell remotely so they just dump stuff in jita and run away to safety so they don't have to suffer quite as much lag.
Sure it's frustrating when you realise that mid-afternoon over a weekend that you need something from jita, just go down in the smallest ship you need and hope it's not too bad.
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Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Checkbit
Failing that, have a flotilla of concorde ships that open fire on ships that just undock and don't move away from the station within 30 seconds
But then there would be an equal amount of people hanging around at 50km taking photos/placing bets on who's next/or just there for the sheer destructive pleasure of it.
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Andru Zhukov
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:45:00 -
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Performance in Jita was dreadful this morning at 1110 server time with approx 730 people in Local. Got a black screen for a couple of minutes after undocking from IV-4. Quit and logged in again. Black screen for a few more minutes before finally being able to warp away. Got to New Caldari gate and distance showed 0m but the message said I was not within 2500m and couldn't go through. A minute or so later the lag ended and the jump was made. Please fix this. FWIW I agree that removing Local would be a good start.
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Harrison III
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:00:00 -
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I've noticed a huge increase in the player numbers stretching from Piak to Torrinos. over 200 easy in Iopo and Isin over the last few weeks. Lag is pretty hefty.
Might be a good idea to help get people out in the wormhole space rather then moving around agents?
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NVRYNZWS Escort
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:29:00 -
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well all i know is i am being told that my character is currenmtly in Sivala which is stuck and i should either choose a different character...excuse me?...or try later....have been....while there are at least 11000 to 13000 people supposedly online...so to hell with any kind of priveledged few ...shut it down and keep it down till its all back up, no one should be on if everyone can't be
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Kasigi
Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones
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Posted - 2009.08.30 21:52:00 -
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REALLY, this is getting stupid. it is an ongoing problem so buy the servers necessary to handle it. Its not like you are a foundering company unable buy the resources you need. Today to have 300 per incoming jita gate stacked is ridiculous. I apologize for my directnous but we all pay money to play eve basically your salaries, but i am sitting here unable to even get back into the game because my character is in limbo. _______________
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Kasigi
Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:01:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Khalia Nestune
Originally by: Gix Titan CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
It doesn't work like that - block of ad space are reserved ahead of time on a contract basis, you can't just turn them on and off as you want. Besides, if they bring in more money, then taking them down would actually /hurt/ CCP.
well they are false advertising then. so the "more money" is obtained under false pretenses.
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QuorTek
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:36:00 -
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A simple solution would to be making more Jita's that would just be a Ghost of the original Jita.. so if Jita is over booked by people there would be another Jita at the same location like an additional region with the same stuff... both Jita regions or whatever number of regions would have there database shared with each other, so if you move stuff from Jita 2 it would be the same as removing stuff from Jita, but just another zone in a figure of speech.
You could put it up like Jita being instanced in several copies to avoid to many people at the same time, but sharing the same database as in where the trades are, would confuse the pirates and scannerships though that are trying to jump defenceless ships though.
It works like this... let us say there is a cap of 500 people per Jita instance.. when you log into the original one and that one is full.. you would then log into Jita 2 instead then but still having the assets or whatever placed there...
Or to make it even better... that if people would enter jita then let us say two individuals enter the system and it is empty then it would place each one of them in each there jita instance or the likes to keep a better flow going.. if you are grouped with someone then of course those people would be able to follow each other in in.
Just my 5 cents to everything.
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Khepri
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:52:00 -
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You can't just make a "second Jita". Jita is Jita because everyone trades there, and everyone trades there because, well, everyone trades there. You go by default to Jita because you know everything you want is there, so everyone who wants to sell something goes to Jita because he knows he will find people wanting to buy it there. It's, as has been pointed out before, a self propelling problem.
Also, just shifting some parameter of the game, from changing Jita's security status to removing starlanes, also only mitigates the problem. Some other place will become tradecentral and the problem starts anew.
The most sensible idea I heard so far was the one of the variable trading fees. The higher the amount of goods offered and traded, the higher the fee rises. That directly encourages people to spread the trading out to other systems. At first, this will certainly only move people to the systems directly next to Jita, but eventually it should spread out the trade quite a bit.
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Rahlstin
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:53:00 -
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like an alternate jita reality but along the same timeline.
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QuorTek
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: QuorTek on 30/08/2009 23:04:38
Originally by: Khepri You can't just make a "second Jita". Jita is Jita because everyone trades there, and everyone trades there because, well, everyone trades there. You go by default to Jita because you know everything you want is there, so everyone who wants to sell something goes to Jita because he knows he will find people wanting to buy it there. It's, as has been pointed out before, a self propelling problem.
Also, just shifting some parameter of the game, from changing Jita's security status to removing starlanes, also only mitigates the problem. Some other place will become tradecentral and the problem starts anew.
The most sensible idea I heard so far was the one of the variable trading fees. The higher the amount of goods offered and traded, the higher the fee rises. That directly encourages people to spread the trading out to other systems. At first, this will certainly only move people to the systems directly next to Jita, but eventually it should spread out the trade quite a bit.
You clearly missed my point then... it would be Jita 2 or 3 or just original Jita but at the exact same cordinate sharing the exact same trade database in which would be the exactly same, if you sell something in one of the jita instances it would be the same as selling the same thing in the other jita instances, just spreading out instances at the location where jita is to reduce lag due to too many players present at the same spot, the trade would be as always it is just when you log into jita and it is full it would still log you into jita but just named jita two with the exact same features and the exact same assets you had a jita as it would share the same database as at jita, and be having the exact same contracts, buy and sell orders to look into as well.
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