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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:24:00 -
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We are aware of performance issues with Jita and have been working diligently attempting to find the source of the problem. We are slowly raising the cap on the number of capsuleers who can be in Jita at once while we investigate.
We know how important Jita is to all you marketeers, and who doesn't love Jita, so fixing the performance issues is of high priority to us. Please accept our apologies for the inconveniences you've been experiencing.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:54:00 -
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Easy fix, Don't go to jita! Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Easy fix, Don't go to jita!
Dont be so foolish
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Masque Blanc
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:44:00 -
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Didn't someone mention that Jita had a blue sun....the plot thickens
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Spartan dax
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Posted - 2009.03.11 18:34:00 -
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Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Too much/little?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.11 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan dax Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
That gets my vote.
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Lijhal
FrEE d00M Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.11 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan dax Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Too much/little?
seriously, that would be the best jita fix ever without any sarcasm ... but i dont know how much serverresources the local really needs if 500+ people are in ... anyone at ccp maybe knows?
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:00:00 -
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put the 4-4 cna station on an extra node is what i preach since years...
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:25:00 -
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I think there is nearly 100+ frieghters all waiting to jump in lol and me in my frig :3
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IceEclipse
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: IceEclipse on 11/03/2009 20:39:58 its so dumb. i just bought fittings for a few ships that i need to mave and i cant ****ing log back in and take my **** out. we shold be able to have assets moved with us or something because whatever is being done to control jita bandwith isnt working. edit-if stuff is in your cargo it moves with you
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Fish Bulb
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:43:00 -
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Seriously? There have been no problems getting in, out or around or any real performance issues with Jita since the server upgrades that came around the relese of QR. Why now is there a problem? And it's not just Jita. It's the surrounding systems too. Further off I have an alt in Amarr that can't log atm in either.
Yes, I'm a friggin carebear and yes I spend most of my time in hisec. I'm allowed to. But if this busy system limitation feature is permanent then it would be, imo, a MAJOR hit to the playability of the game.
I sincerely hope it's only a temporary problem.
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Major Meatshield
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:44:00 -
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what happened to all those dev blogs patting yourselves on the back for how great you killed lag and helped Jita now?
need for lag
Ramsan Fail500
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:44:00 -
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Amarr is having issues too had to relog to enter and stuck on character selection.
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Kala Veijo
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:52:00 -
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One does not simply JUMP into the Jita...
Hope this gets fixed soonish
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Vidin
Gallente Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekything Edited by: Cheekything on 11/03/2009 20:53:21 Amarr is having issues too had to relog to enter and stuck on character selection.
*edit can't create petition*
Halp
Also stuck in amarr, so I made an ingame petition but they seems to ignore it
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:08:00 -
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No but you can worm hole in lol......
managed to petiton using my alt let see how long it takes to get unstuck :3
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kittypaws
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:10:00 -
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Problem is not only jita, it's evry system in eve. They have the exact same problem
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Mycool Jahksn
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: kittypaws Problem is not only jita, it's evry system in eve. They have the exact same problem
Exactly.
I have been "entering station" for 16 hours now. The bar is fully loaded but it wont go further than that.
Stuck in muvolailen.
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Jackal's Bane
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mycool Jahksn
Originally by: kittypaws Problem is not only jita, it's evry system in eve. They have the exact same problem
Exactly.
I have been "entering station" for 16 hours now. The bar is fully loaded but it wont go further than that.
Stuck in muvolailen.
Same here, in Sarum Prime, can't log in...
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Vidin
Gallente Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:24:00 -
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"Maybe" it's time to reboot TQ... (soon (tm))
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vidin Also stuck in amarr, so I made an ingame petition but they seems to ignore it
I'm stuck in Amarr as well. Jumped to Amarr and got stuck at Jumping. After 20 minutes I lost connection and was unable to log in again (black screen of death). No problem logging in chars that's not located in amarr.
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:28:00 -
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They are dealing with it just got my pet back :)
Goooooo Team CCP BSOD fixers
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Takeshi Yamato
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:36:00 -
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Quote: Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Fantastic and simple idea. Nobody besides scammers "trade" in Jita local anyway.
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Tewilligar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Takeshi Yamato
Quote: Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Fantastic and simple idea. Nobody besides scammers "trade" in Jita local anyway.
Then they'd have to ban war in jita and from the looks of it most market systems, cause people would camp and wait for red stars.
/me is Stuck logging into amarr
REBOOT or something.....
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:46:00 -
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I have some blueprints to pick up in Jita... Hope it gets worked out soon.
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Kustarc
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:51:00 -
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im stuck in amarr too and i cant log.i was pretty sure about something wrong with my pc so i reinstalled eve client and cleared my cache. finaly looking to forum comes to my mind. all my bookmarks gone for nothing :/
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Vidin
Gallente Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:59:00 -
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Quote: Your character is located within Amarr, which is currently stuck. Please select a different character or try later.
You got to be kidding CCP :D
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x3 Trading
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:59:00 -
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It's not just Jita, but Amarr and Rens too. I got 3 characters of mine stuck, while the other 2 are experiencing so much lag that it's been unplayable. Only place that doesn't suffer from the lag so far, are the chatrooms. I think it has to do with the ammount of people logged in. Just like how jita was completly sealed when more than 35k pilots where logged at once after the trinity patch.
Thank you for addressing this issue asap.
x3
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Therivold Ataley
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Therivold Ataley on 11/03/2009 22:05:30 I jumped into Rens and got D/Ced. Tryed to log back in and am now stuck at the character selection loading bar. I am really quite ****ed, I want to play the damn games, it's the only one I have. Fix this ASAP please, I REALLY don't want to have to spend what little time I do have to play games on solitare. :( Think a lot of people are getting stuck in places like Rens, by the way. |
sgt spike
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:20:00 -
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tried to log in on me alt in jita realised it was happening and tried my main in dodixie ... same thing , logged in anyway as im paying good money for the game so i may as well try,
logs me in next door nps all my stuff is in dodixie, but it lets me in as there is a 200player cap so when people leave others can get in, seems ok so i run a quick mission and get in and out ok. decide id better go and pick up a different battleship from 10 jumps away.....
cant get out of dodixie, log out log back in, says im in botane on my character screen but can i buggery log back in
/me wonders why i pay my bills
/me wants to be the president of the united states of america, its still we the people right?
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DeltaFlux
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:32:00 -
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When I try to log in it tells me Amarr is too busy and gives me a list of neighbouring systems to choose from. Picking any of those just goes to a black screen and stays there. Anyone else had the same problem before I file a petition? No signature... yet. |
ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:37:00 -
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we got gates locking up all over as well now traffic advisories, didnt we get new nodes to cope with these extra wsystems ?
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dalman
Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 11/03/2009 22:38:14
Originally by: DeltaFlux When I try to log in it tells me Amarr is too busy and gives me a list of neighbouring systems to choose from. Picking any of those just goes to a black screen and stays there. Anyone else had the same problem before I file a petition?
Yes.
Had been stuck for about 2 hours, then got that same box. Which seems like a great idea. But needless to say it isn't fkn working.
Reboot the server already and be done with it. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
DeltaFlux
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 11/03/2009 22:38:14 Yes.
Had been stuck for about 2 hours, then got that same box. Which seems like a great idea. But needless to say it isn't fkn working.
Reboot the server already and be done with it.
Support site is timing out for me now too, typical. At least I set up a skill queue earlier. No signature... yet. |
Mr John22ta
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:55:00 -
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Yeah, this sucks.
I'm no where near Jita, In Torrinos in fact, but I haven't been able to get in since 1 PM today. No meaningful announcement from CCP, no use in petitioning as they can't do anything, and the list of people affected seems to be getting longer and longer.
Not sure why CCP just doesn't kick everyone and bounce the cluster. I understand that this can happen, especially after a patch. However I would expect some kind of customer service (ROFL) annoucement from other than "we're working on it".
It's been over 9 hours for me, and I don't want to hear just "we're working on it".
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:58:00 -
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yes please go rescue jita, in there all the de-sync module lag, activation lag, drone lag, mission running lag are locatet....not to mention autopilot lag, closed gates......sorry just had to blow steam...jita is the least of my problems right now.....paitence iiii know...are just in a werry bad moode right now....
i know you are doing what you can...just need to vent.....
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:08:00 -
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Are you doing anything about all the other systems that people are stuck or unable to log into?
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Torquil Noble
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:11:00 -
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Jita is off my Christmas card list...
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Incumine
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:50:00 -
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Reboot the server already CCP.
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PuRuSkA
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:06:00 -
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said it elsewhere
but lags might be cause by mission not despawning my alt was salvaging behind me and when i terminate mission it does not despawn imagine all the mission in game not despawning ... lag cause ? :) more than probable
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ElementalWind
Gallente Corporate Sin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:37:00 -
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/me thinks CCP needs to fire its networking engineers and half its software programmers and find new ones. :) <--- is a 20yr experienced network engineer with probably 5x more experiences than any of the guys at CCP haha.
With as many people pay to play this game, each and every one of those guys working for CCP have to own a Ferrari or two, they should be smarter than this.
Guess it all worked well...in theory... lmfao.
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Igor Sabolon
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:37:00 -
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Tharivol
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Posted - 2009.03.12 05:14:00 -
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Probably a case of rebooting not doing any good til they know whats causing problem , cant hunt problem while its offline , theoretically , but pretty good bet they will figure it out , eventually.
I am a legit jita trader rarely even undock and the elimination of Jita local is the best idea I have heard regarding Jita in ages.
Although i do post legit offers in jita local now and then i usually dont bother as the spammers and scammers make it pointless
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Menelvagor Gilmegil
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.12 08:10:00 -
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I think there's lag everywhere - I'm in a system 7 jumps from Jita, 120 or so in local (@2300 yesterday), and although not blocking, everything slowed. Station approach a few times over, stuff I am used to see in Jita, and mission accel gate approaches a few times over, stuff at larger distance all of a sudden, etc. I have never experienced this in this type of system... So I suppose a serverwide fix is needed, not just for Jita.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:35:00 -
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So, from what I've experienced and from the actions CCP has taken, e.g. hard pop cap on high load systems, the issue appears to be that systems under high load, even those with a dedicated node for themselves, are affecting the performance of the entire cluster.
Bad Voodoo, that.
Any update on the situation would be much appreciated.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Razz XXX
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:37:00 -
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Jita = 300 only Rens = 200 only Amarr= 200 only
That some very drastic numbers to cut into some of main trading hubs in Eve. 1st time I was kickout of Amarr was today. Could you post some more details?
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Grupsni Hexe
Stripminers Of Doom
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:40:00 -
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I remember Jita et.al. running stable at 1000+ ppl before the patch making me a happy joy joy carebear. Now I could not even get in?
How can that be? All the efforts of the last months work gone? -------------------------------------------
Buying and reselling various BPOs, BPCs etc. Contact me ingame for latest opportunities. |
Jasper Dark
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:43:00 -
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Jita? Never heard of it....
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CDLoon
Minmatar Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:50:00 -
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Amarr was awful last night - i got stuck jumping in and logging in - couldnt play all night.
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Irma Bondis
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:31:00 -
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This is normal EVE behaviour, every patch something breaks lag is all over the place and CCP scrambles their developers to figure out what is going on.
A week or so in and CCP will say we think we know what the problem is and they will push out an patch that should fix the problem, the problem will be partially resolved. A week or two later when a developer just stumbles across a few lines of code and starts his/her head on the keyboard out of pure frustration with all of them having overlooked the appearantly obvious a new patch is prepared and the problem is resolved.
So ETA for the fix, I would say about 2-3 weeks.
Most likely what is happening is that a single line of code related to an existing function of a solar system causes in rare cases a massive load of loops or lookups, this only happens rarely but put enough players on a heap and you will have this happenig with a certain regularity causing the whole thing to slow to a crawl. From other remarks on the forms it seems like lag and the so called de-sync issues happen on a relatively regular basis to single players which seems to support the idea that what ever it is that causes this is a not often occuring massive slowdown.
I would start poking at the skill queue first based on the simple fact that this interacts with one of the oldest bits of code around (the skill training system) and thus is most likely to have encountered some skeletons. Also because this one feature is used by all players and in different frequencies it will complete skills or add others to the queue etc... Scanning is not it, nor is de sleeper AI the cause as both are not a common occurence in places like Jita or during fleet battles. Other new features might or might not be it but I still doubt that that will be where the problem is going to be found.
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GusGorman
Caldari Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:01:00 -
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i'd agree that this is an oversight and will be found eventually. i get lag in a low sec system with about 5 in local on approach to gates about 50% of the time which never ever happened before the patch, and I always get lag on docking into stations
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:59:00 -
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Any improvements after the downtime?
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Mr John22ta
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka Any improvements after the downtime?
Nope, Still can't get in.
Oh well, back to the pub for me.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mr John22ta
Originally by: Victor Valka Any improvements after the downtime?
Nope, Still can't get in.
Oh well, back to the pub for me.
That's very disheartening. Here's to hope they'll fix it by weekend.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:13:00 -
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Risk vs Reward
isn't it your lema, you market guys???
then accept it, Jita is profitable but you get the risk of lagging issues and others
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De Veresse
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:29:00 -
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I got rather nostalgic last night when the traffic warnings started to appear. Remember the days when this was a regular occurence?, so having this sort of thing after an update like this isn't unusal and it does irritate me intensly its not the thing that really ****s me off. What is is the fact that whilst they can harp on about this great new development on the news page, BUT AFTER 2 DAYS THERE STILL ISN'T ANY INFO ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, why do we have to plow our way though forums to find out.
BTW Suroken has just gone down as well
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De Veresse
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:30:00 -
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sorry, forgot to say, CCP your customer services Dept. suck and always has
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Mazlow Shartain
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan dax Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Too much/little?
This is a great idea except maybe just remove the ability to post autolinks in local would do it, meaning no contracts in local chat can be posted.
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Roto Rooter
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Major Meatshield what happened to all those dev blogs patting yourselves on the back for how great you killed lag and helped Jita now?
need for lag
Ramsan Fail500
This is a chronic scenario with CCP. In ways that seem beyond comprehension CCP is able to recreate old problems again and again. in my 45 years in programming I have not seen how old problems, once truly fixed, can be made to reappear later, precisely as they were before. It seems that lag keeps coming back no matter what CCP does to fix it. Other bugs, such as the drone window disappearing for several seconds and then reappearing, have been fixed and then later come back exactly as they were originally. Failure to sort in several different windows has been a problem, been fixed, and come back again. Failure of lists to appear, such as the Buyers list in the Market window, worked around by scrolling or closing/reopening, have been fixed and then reappeared again.
I am favorably amazed, though, that this rather ambitious expansion has not had as many serious problems as so many previous expansions and even patches have had. Even though there are some problems, CCP seems to have done a better job of QA on this expansion than their general record in the past.
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:48:00 -
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I hope they are getting specialised in localising the problems though.
So these very good programmer shall find this bug before I login this evening.
Wanna bet? Don't fail me uber programmers, you can do it!
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Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roto Rooter CCP seems to have done a better job of QA on this expansion than their general record in the past.
Well, they have not deleted any vital system files from my OS if thats what you mean. I dont think much more credit can be applied than that at the moment.
Get the lag sorted, again, and then I will see.
--------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=- |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Update: Jita is not the only affected system and we are also working on resolving those with performance issues.
That update is really meagre.
Which other systems are affected? All big tradehubs? All systems?
What can WE players do to reduce the problems? Okay, avoiding Jita. Anything else? Anything else, besides stop playing that is.
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Terry Cheng
Caldari The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:46:00 -
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Any update?
And I hope you are aware that even some 0.0 systems with 1-10 people in them tend to lag like hell and you desync totally (warping 10 times to a gate). Jump to the next system and you are OK again. Very weird and this really blows. -------------
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:57:00 -
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Would my problem opening a reprocessing window relate to this issue ?
It's taking forever to open reprocessing window in Auvergne.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: OneSock Would my problem opening a reprocessing window relate to this issue ?
It's taking forever to open reprocessing window in Auvergne.
Can you petition that? It can help us track down what's been happening.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Terry Cheng Any update?
And I hope you are aware that even some 0.0 systems with 1-10 people in them tend to lag like hell and you desync totally (warping 10 times to a gate). Jump to the next system and you are OK again. Very weird and this really blows.
I don't have an update at this time, but will have one for you soon. But yes, we've noticed that some systems with a low number of people have been experiencing performance issues as well.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Easy fix, Don't go to jita!
Nice workaround
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GusGorman
Caldari Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terry Cheng Any update?
And I hope you are aware that even some 0.0 systems with 1-10 people in them tend to lag like hell and you desync totally (warping 10 times to a gate). Jump to the next system and you are OK again. Very weird and this really blows.
totally agree with this...this is evident in low sec too
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Terry Cheng Any update?
And I hope you are aware that even some 0.0 systems with 1-10 people in them tend to lag like hell and you desync totally (warping 10 times to a gate). Jump to the next system and you are OK again. Very weird and this really blows.
I don't have an update at this time, but will have one for you soon. But yes, we've noticed that some systems with a low number of people have been experiencing performance issues as well.
SoonÖ ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
ElementalWind
Gallente Corporate Sin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:58:00 -
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ZOMG!!!! http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com O_O
I'm sure most of you have seen this but its still funny as heck!
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Amais
Minmatar Medusas and Snails
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Posted - 2009.03.12 16:32:00 -
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I'm a guy who likes waiting, I really don't mind waiting at Jita's gates, but
now I have two characters stuck in it. When I try to reconnect, I have the popup to choose another nearby system. Whichever I choose, my client stays on "Entering game as ..." and nothing happens until I get a server disconnect message. And this since 2 hours now.
I hope you are aware of these kind of situations :)
Hopefully I have other toons to play with, I don't want to be in the place of others who don't.
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Marius Nervosu
Caldari The Fallen Angels Unit Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.03.12 16:34:00 -
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Trying for the last 2 hours to be in the game. Can't enter jita or around jita...
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Zakarazor
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Posted - 2009.03.12 16:56:00 -
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its not just jita...its amarr to. anyone there at CCP HQ mind teleporting my covops to me as i cant get it myslef?
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Cameron Vayle
Silver Strand Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.12 16:59:00 -
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Why give us the option to go to a system that is 1 hop away from Jita if the option does not work? When I select this option all it does is take me to the character entering game loading screen and then about 6 minutes later it tosses me back to the charcter selection screen. I know you are "TRYING" to fix the issue with this but this raises a good point here....
This is the prime example as to why CCP needs to introduce a skill change option from here on their site. Yes I know we are asked to set a long skill...well I did set on that will end in about 5 hours. When I set it on SUNDAY it was a long skill....this is getting old with the same problems appearing only to be "fixed" to break again.
I know we do not pay a lot to play this game but it is still your job to make sure that it runs smooth. It is not the players job, as some suggest here, to beta test your progamming on your test server. That is the job of your QA or QD departments in the real world. I think it is time for CCP to accept this fact and fix the human problem they seem to have within their company structure.
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Bael Gar
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:05:00 -
[75]
I can't login in game too
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:06:00 -
[76]
Now not only Jita is stuck but the 1-jump surrounding emergency relocation systems are stuck also.
With other words, you cannot log in into Jita, you cannot relocate your char to one of the other systems.
Reminds me to the good old times before relocation was possible
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:23:00 -
[77]
Tin foil hat theory
The good doctor wants to see the creation of new trade hubs so he has something to study (And more importantly keep him from the quarterly reports).
so all trade hubs have been disrupted
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:44:00 -
[78]
Jita is apparently not loaded....
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Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:52:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Spartan dax Easy fix would be to remove local in Jita and thus removing a 100 or so scammers incentive for being there.
Too much/little?
I like this idea...I go to Jita on a daily basis to work the market and I don't ever use the local..pretty useless channel actually. Sounds good to get rid of it...
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Joey2cool
THE IRIS
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:54:00 -
[80]
if only they wud jus boot all the afk people offline in jita so 300 ACTIVE people can be in there it wud be so much better, instead there is like 20 active people going in and out and thats where the problem lies...
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Ginbread
The First Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:56:00 -
[81]
"Your character is located within Jita, which is currently stuck. Please select a different character or try later." All the time the same ...
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Usuotas
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Posted - 2009.03.12 18:03:00 -
[82]
Yeah i also love the new patch... All my produce are stuck in jita and i cant sell it. And cant get in it to get more materials for making more stuff. Factories are just standing there without any work... Pos fuel also is in jita and im almost out. So yeah i love the new patch....
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Revelations DCLXVI
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Posted - 2009.03.12 18:09:00 -
[83]
Yes, some systems are a bit laggy. I managed to train Science V from start to finish while logging into a space station :)
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Marius Nervosu
Caldari The Fallen Angels Unit Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.03.12 18:46:00 -
[84]
Any updates ???? At least "we know what it is or we don't know what it is"....anything ?
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Minsk2k6
Caldari Federation of Xenotech
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:00:00 -
[85]
Your character is located within Elonaya, which is currently stuck. Please select a different character or try later.
been like it for around 2 hours and th esame thing yesterday and prob like it again 2morrow
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Aeleva
Caldari Hegemonic Core
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:07:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Marius Nervosu Any updates ???? At least "we know what it is or we don't know what it is"....anything ?
This. This is really getting freakishly stupid. No news on any ETA for a fix and loads of stuck chars. Jita worked fine before so what on earth is this crap? *not happy*
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Chronan Fixx
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:09:00 -
[87]
"Your character is located within Jita, which is currently stuck. Please select a different character or try later."
Info please? Any prayer of an ETA fro a resolution? Would love to play.......
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:24:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Amais I'm a guy who likes waiting, I really don't mind waiting at Jita's gates, but
now I have two characters stuck in it. When I try to reconnect, I have the popup to choose another nearby system. Whichever I choose, my client stays on "Entering game as ..." and nothing happens until I get a server disconnect message. And this since 2 hours now.
I hope you are aware of these kind of situations :)
Hopefully I have other toons to play with, I don't want to be in the place of others who don't.
If you've not done so, you can use the Web site to file petitions for your stuck characters.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Cameron Vayle
Silver Strand Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:25:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Chronan Fixx "Your character is located within Jita, which is currently stuck. Please select a different character or try later."
Info please? Any prayer of an ETA fro a resolution? Would love to play.......
It is not just Jita....
I am in Passari now...and it says it is offline as well...oh...and another character of mine is in Usemisisen trying to get to Piak but...yea...Litiura is offline...umm....sure....only other routes are via lots of travel through low sec space.
Of course by this time all the staff at CCP has gone home for the day, just like the last time thing like this happened, with the attitude of "oh well we can fix it tomorrow".
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:26:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Marius Nervosu Any updates ???? At least "we know what it is or we don't know what it is"....anything ?
We're currently working on Jita. That's the best information I can give you right now.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Cameron Vayle
Silver Strand Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:27:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Amais I'm a guy who likes waiting, I really don't mind waiting at Jita's gates, but
now I have two characters stuck in it. When I try to reconnect, I have the popup to choose another nearby system. Whichever I choose, my client stays on "Entering game as ..." and nothing happens until I get a server disconnect message. And this since 2 hours now.
I hope you are aware of these kind of situations :)
Hopefully I have other toons to play with, I don't want to be in the place of others who don't.
If you've not done so, you can use the Web site to file petitions for your stuck characters.
Be nice if it mattered Sir Fallout. But you see it does not matter. Jita is not the only problem. Please see my post just above this one...other systems are offline as well...and well...only alt routes are via low sec...no thanks...
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Xiona Vherokior
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:28:00 -
[92]
Hi,
bad week for me. First I was ill, then i had to download about 15h for that update and then i made one jump to grab some stuff. Now I'm stuck in Jita.
But no problem, because i know you are working hard to solve all problems. Keep going. So i can kill careless pilots this weekend again
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Takatii
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:31:00 -
[93]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Amais I'm a guy who likes waiting, I really don't mind waiting at Jita's gates, but
now I have two characters stuck in it. When I try to reconnect, I have the popup to choose another nearby system. Whichever I choose, my client stays on "Entering game as ..." and nothing happens until I get a server disconnect message. And this since 2 hours now.
I hope you are aware of these kind of situations :)
Hopefully I have other toons to play with, I don't want to be in the place of others who don't.
If you've not done so, you can use the Web site to file petitions for your stuck characters.
Of course, you can't get that webpage to load either, due to the thousands of peeps trying to petition all at once....
sigh...
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Quentin Damien
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:32:00 -
[94]
gankers will like it ..
can scan the freighters without a problem infront of the jita gate and gank the freighter with the most isk in it ..
nice ..
GO FIX JITA GUYS ^^
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Paxam Leratharn
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:35:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Fallout If you've not done so, you can use the Web site to file petitions for your stuck characters.
Fallout, what use is creating a petition when all the GMs say is "We will not move individual characters, we're waiting on an ultimate solution" or something to that affect? (In addition to the support site being as bad as Jita is?)
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.12 20:35:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Arous Drephius on 12/03/2009 20:35:14 Ok, so one of my characters is stuck in Jita. My account still has a stuck petition open from yesterday. I cannot log into that char to close that petition and open a new one, and I cannot get on to my petitions through the website.
Fix it CCP.
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DieK2
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:02:00 -
[97]
alt was flying to Duripant to get some skills, jumped in no problem, but then I was dropped (I believe) once I got inside. Nothing loaded, I couldnt chat, couldnt do anything. All the signs of a DC, without the auto boot. Logged out to try to fix it, and now I cant get back in. Stuck in "Entering Game as _"
New patch Phail.
I petition to Un-Patch.
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Marius Nervosu
Caldari The Fallen Angels Unit Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:14:00 -
[98]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Marius Nervosu Any updates ???? At least "we know what it is or we don't know what it is"....anything ?
We're currently working on Jita. That's the best information I can give you right now.
So you don't know what is the problem yet. Thanks for the input :)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:21:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Atlas CPU / memory well within parameters. Jita is back in business :-)
Yay!!
Great work!
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Inara Serat
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:37:00 -
[100]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Marius Nervosu Any updates ???? At least "we know what it is or we don't know what it is"....anything ?
We're currently working on Jita. That's the best information I can give you right now.
That's not acceptable to me as a customer, when I cannot get into my character to play the game that I pay a subscription on.....
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Paxam Leratharn
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:58:00 -
[101]
If it's not acceptable, why did you agree to it?
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2009.03.12 22:17:00 -
[102]
Hey all,
Just a quick update on the issues that have been affecting Jita and other hub-systems in EVE. We have some new server code that we were able to deploy to a spare blade in our cluster during todays run that seems to have gone a long way towards resolving the issue. Jita has been moved over to this blade and is currently at 600 users and climbing. CPU and Memory usage seem to be within normal operating parameters.
Until downtime tomorrow (Friday) we will be moving to reduce the load on critical systems where necessary. Unless something nasty shows up we should be able to roll this code to the full cluster tomorrow at downtime.
Cheers, Mindstar.
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr Universal-Corp Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 22:31:00 -
[103]
I'll be able to get into Jita now?
Are the problems with Jita due to a bug or just server load?
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Maxizinian
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:14:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Maxizinian on 12/03/2009 23:15:46 Edited by: Maxizinian on 12/03/2009 23:15:26 Listen, chuckleheads, Jita has ALWAYS been a problem and will continue to FOREVER be a problem. The simple solution is to NOT DOCK there and log. Go, buy your crap, sell your crap, and get the crap out. Then you won't have logging issues. There are even plenty of other major trading hubs to which you can fly so you never have to go.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar Hey all,
Just a quick update on the issues that have been affecting Jita and other hub-systems in EVE. We have some new server code that we were able to deploy to a spare blade in our cluster during todays run that seems to have gone a long way towards resolving the issue. Jita has been moved over to this blade and is currently at 600 users and climbing. CPU and Memory usage seem to be within normal operating parameters.
Until downtime tomorrow (Friday) we will be moving to reduce the load on critical systems where necessary. Unless something nasty shows up we should be able to roll this code to the full cluster tomorrow at downtime.
Cheers, Mindstar.
You forgotten to give the Jita hamsters that special gold-leafed lettuce again didn't you, Mindstar?! I'm sure that Oveur restricting access to the amber nectar will be sufficient punishment
On a more serious note, you guys have it easy. Try dealing with a SQL Server deadlock when you're giving away free iTunes vouchers post-live...
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Rampant RabbitP
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:35:00 -
[106]
Ummmm what is a Jita ?
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richieboy
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:51:00 -
[107]
as anybody else lost their ship due to this problem. i was stuck when i tried to jump into jita after new patch. after a while i decided to log off.
today i log back on and find i'm in a station and my charon has dissapeared along with everything in it.
i have filed petition but as there are alot of problems not expecting anything back soon.
just wondered if anybody else suffered a loss
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Azrel
Kyoha Shinto
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:59:00 -
[108]
Originally by: richieboy as anybody else lost their ship due to this problem. i was stuck when i tried to jump into jita after new patch. after a while i decided to log off.
today i log back on and find i'm in a station and my charon has dissapeared along with everything in it.
i have filed petition but as there are alot of problems not expecting anything back soon.
just wondered if anybody else suffered a loss
Yep I lost a ship to this on Wednesday, also petitioned it. Luckily it was a little frigate and there wasn't anything expensive in the hold..
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chatgris
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:02:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Rampant RabbitP Edited by: Rampant RabbitP on 12/03/2009 23:39:33 Q = Ummmm what is a Jita ?
A = Its that place everyone wants to go away (Including CCP) but does nothing about it and still sells their junk there.
I must disagree. Jita is the ideal free market in action. All goods are commodities, no one person has enough wealth to really sway it in the long term. Nothing but good, cut-throat competition that leads to a wide variety of modules at good prices.
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richieboy
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:10:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Azrel
Originally by: richieboy as anybody else lost their ship due to this problem. i was stuck when i tried to jump into jita after new patch. after a while i decided to log off.
today i log back on and find i'm in a station and my charon has dissapeared along with everything in it.
i have filed petition but as there are alot of problems not expecting anything back soon.
just wondered if anybody else suffered a loss
Yep I lost a ship to this on Wednesday, also petitioned it. Luckily it was a little frigate and there wasn't anything expensive in the hold..
at least i'm not the only one then
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Thorgath
Caldari Intimidator X Night Sky Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:13:00 -
[111]
First of all, I am rather jealous of the concept of having a "spare blade" lying around, that just sounds so useful. Also, given the complexity of a software project such as Eve, and the difficulty of stress testing when the normal load is 40k concurrent users, I am absolutely floored at the lack of really serious problems in this expansion. Sure there have been some problems such as these performance issues, but they are rapidly resolving them. All in all I am rather impressed.
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Phi Au
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:03:00 -
[112]
whoops... Tranquility just crashed (1am GMT)
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Hotha
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:11:00 -
[113]
I just heard the simultaneous groans of 35k+ neckbeards around the world.
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Mr ZZZZZZZZ
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:16:00 -
[114]
Sorry, I thought in Space no-one could hear you groan.
-Z
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AdmiraI Adama
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:18:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Mr ZZZZZZZZ Sorry, I thought in Space no-one could hear you groan.
-Z
na in space noone can hear u scream.. says nothing about groaning lol
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:21:00 -
[116]
midstar where you the cause of the TQ shut down or was this server failure ?
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Saberon
Gallente C3 Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:24:00 -
[117]
These minutes, the world's electricity consumption just increased with about 61,25 MW (35,000 coffee makers, minus reduced power consumption of 35,000 graphics cards). Assuming this down time takes 20 minutes, CCP has now helped the global economy problem, and sparked consumption, by approx. Ç 17,809 (including the cost of water, coffee grains, and coffee filters).
You gotta see the positive in between the negative :)
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AdmiraI Adama
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:27:00 -
[118]
not to mention the hordes of traffic advisories flying across the board...
wats goin on guys
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:05:00 -
[119]
give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node
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Sjobba
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:55:00 -
[120]
Originally by: searchi give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node
Sounds so simple, doesn't it. Well, it's not!
If there was a simple way to resolve this problem, IT WOULD ALREADY BE RESOLVED!
Think, ffs.
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RAIDEN TEYREL
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:12:00 -
[121]
JITA and the bug monsters.
C`MON PEOPLE give CCP a break, you should ALL know by now every patch has issues on release. It isn`t gonna be perfect, there WILL be bugs / issues. If you cant warp into JITA ( or other ) systems, do something else !!! You have alts, play with them, but quit the whining. IT IS A GAME.
Thumbs up to CCP yet again for a great add-on, buggy but I like it. Upgrade to Rats for the wheels, they`re smarter than those hamsters your using
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Night Doc
Orekaria
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:59:00 -
[122]
Originally by: RAIDEN TEYREL JITA and the bug monsters.
C`MON PEOPLE give CCP a break, you should ALL know by now every patch has issues on release. It isn`t gonna be perfect, there WILL be bugs / issues. If you cant warp into JITA ( or other ) systems, do something else !!! You have alts, play with them, but quit the whining. IT IS A GAME.
And you keep whining... the whiners. Good point
The fact is that EVE right now is a mess, that we know they will fix it, that we don't know when (neither CCP does), and that we are still surprised how old fixed issues came back again and again, a long with new nasty ones. I would say the initial code analysis hurts and python was a bad choice. At least they "overhaul", what should mean that once a feature is running as intended , should run somooth forever. - Target analysis - Fit EVE to screen - EFT setup sort |
Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:30:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Rampant RabbitP Edited by: Rampant RabbitP on 12/03/2009 23:39:33 Q = Ummmm what is a Jita ?
A = Its that place everyone wants to go away (Including CCP) but does nothing about it and still sells their junk there.
Strange, of all the ppl I play with I don't know one who wants jita to go away. Jita is great and it being down is a **** off
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Keyra Norassenne
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:34:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Hotha I just heard the simultaneous groans of 35k+ neckbeards around the world.
Sir, I seriously oppose this generalization. I take a shower on a regular basis, during each expansion download.
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Dzil
Caldari Apache Research Team
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:20:00 -
[125]
Any plans to work that short hop NPC transport system in? Lots of traders could operate out of neighboring systems just fine, but we still gotta be able to somehow pick up our goods:P
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Dzil
Caldari Apache Research Team
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:21:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Keyra Norassenne
Originally by: Hotha I just heard the simultaneous groans of 35k+ neckbeards around the world.
Sir, I seriously oppose this generalization. I take a shower on a regular basis, during each expansion download.
Yes, thank you CCP for multiple expansions per year - your continued efforts to promote hygiene among the playerbase have not gone unnoticed.
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Gix Titan
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Posted - 2009.03.13 21:33:00 -
[127]
CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
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Khalia Nestune
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Posted - 2009.03.14 00:39:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Gix Titan CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
It doesn't work like that - block of ad space are reserved ahead of time on a contract basis, you can't just turn them on and off as you want. Besides, if they bring in more money, then taking them down would actually /hurt/ CCP.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.14 08:08:00 -
[129]
Quote:
/me thinks CCP needs to fire its networking engineers and half its software programmers and find new ones. :) <--- is a 20yr experienced network engineer with probably 5x more experiences than any of the guys at CCP haha.
You don't talk like one. Plus you can be 20 years in a job without the skill or mental flexibility to be considered worth an important position like they got.
Quote:
A week or two later when a developer just stumbles across a few lines of code and starts his/her head on the keyboard out of pure frustration with all of them having overlooked the appearantly obvious a new patch is prepared and the problem is resolved
... and this is what in reality happens (unlike the first quote).
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This is a chronic scenario with CCP. In ways that seem beyond comprehension CCP is able to recreate old problems again and again. in my 45 years in programming
Because 45 years of programming don't count in specific scenarios like this.
This is a typical case of ancient code base that is passed thru "generations" to maintain. There's some old stuff (see the POS code, causing the infamous trillions exploit) that it's not touched with a pole because it complex and made with criteria now abandoned. It's a relatively recent thing, to code with team tools, test suites and so on. Old coder = nights and beers and smokes spent slamming half assembler half C, getting asleep, waking up with "THE solution". Of course that stuff would not really be considered "industry strong" nowadays but coding was an odd kind of art for particular headcases in the early days.
I stumbled across a similar situation when I got contracted an huge para-military C software (parts in 16 bits for Windows 2.0 made with a DOS compiler, and we were using Windows XP already!).
10+ man years worth of software that took 2 people 3 years to constantly fix it for 8 hours a day.
Quote:
That's not acceptable to me as a customer, when I cannot get into my character to play the game that I pay a subscription on.....
A sensible behavior would be to do like for other MMOs: "we are giving X days of free subscription for those days you could not play".
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give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node give the 4-4 cna station an extra node
Ever wondered why nodes cover whole systems (usually multiple of them, except Jita and except when a corp plans an huge fight and calls CCP to reserve them a server for the day?)
The "system" is not supporting multiple nodes per system, it's a fundamental design decision made at long time past. The only supported "solution" would be to put Jita in 1 separate system as lone station, but the effort would bring marginal gains seeing how the huge majority of players in Jita use that station anyway.
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:58:00 -
[130]
Originally by: searchi put the 4-4 cna station on an extra node is what i preach since years...
Remove all special measures in Jita - put back mission agents, belts,...
The fees for transactions should increase in stations or systems where there is too much work for the staff to deal with.
My solution is rather more likely to work.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.17 11:09:00 -
[131]
actually i think wormholes once again are the cure for market issues. Instead of going to jita as a buyer from low sec i find it useful or random wormholes to pop up into other high sec parts and i usually buy what i can find within 1-2 jumps and then vanish down the rabbit hole again. From amarr low sec ive been able to get missiles faction ones at that from black rise, gas cloud harvestors and gurista gear, same goes for minmatar faction gear and then selling dark blood gear into non amarr hubs like minmatar space where u can charge a little bit more and people will pay the prices
In our local market area we are finding more outsiders turning up some locals will try to shoot them but from a offline i have market orders up and volumes have noticed and increase in our designated selling system more volumes going through it has opened up the area
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Irish Blend
Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:03:00 -
[132]
Jita is not the best place to sell for the highest price Jita is not the best place to buy for the lowest price People just go there for many reasons.
You can do lots of things to force the players to go to other stations and markets to sell. All of which are fixes for a technical limitation compared to the number of players that demand that resouce.
If you can't handle the technical demands, then put game mechanics in to penalize the players who push Jita past the limits you can handle. * Fees to have items listed on the market that are higher then other markets * Fees that go up the more items listed on that stations exchange * Docking fees * Undocking fees * Fees to stay in the system, per hour. Don't pay it, get warped out to one of the random systems 1-2 jumps out. Of course wardec's and PvP could exploit this, so this has to be thought out * Fees to enter the system
Lots of things to cut into the profits of people living there instead of cutting over to any of the border systems in the same region.
But I agree with previous posters - end local in Jita will kill lots of contracts, lots of spam scam alts, and cut down on the garbage chat. Thats a cheap and easy fix Simple line of code in the UI If Local _polulation > 200 then dont broadcast clients message to local Drop this in the next patch
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Pirva
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:51:00 -
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Simple answer to this.
Mute local. Seriously.
Just do it and let legitimate traders use the hub. If you mute local then the population will drop like a stone as most of the local spammers are also scammers. I don't have a problem with scammers but at times like this when the MAIN TRADE HUB of the game is useless at the busiest time of the week then a plan would be a good idea.
Then again you don't much care do you?
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CountX CX
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:50:00 -
[134]
I agree with post above me.
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Pirva
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Posted - 2009.03.22 15:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CountX CX I agree with post above me.
Thank you for that but with my sub renewal looming I've taken the decision to suspend. I dearly love the game but in the current economic climate I'm not paying for a bodged development cycle. I'm tired of battling with lag, bugs and a graphics engine that's appallingly bad.
If I see some cheap boxes in a shop (its a certainty - just look at play.com's new & used stock) then I may come back.
Best of luck to all of you who remain
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CivirexPunishment
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:56:00 -
[136]
Easiest way to fix Jita drop it to a 0.4 system that well stop the traffic..lol
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Anemonae Ambrosia
Gallente V e x i l l u m
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[137]
I agree with the post above me
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 -
[138]
Originally by: CivirexPunishment Easiest way to fix Jita drop it to a 0.4 system that well stop the traffic..lol
Fantastic, this will cut traffic down to almost 0 pilots in Jita.....But what will we do to reduce lag for the 1200 people in New Caldari, Perimeter or where ever everyone decides to move?
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Fadira
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Posted - 2009.03.26 11:08:00 -
[139]
lol ^^
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Checkbit
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:04:00 -
[140]
Put simply, Jita 4-4 is a self perpetuating nightmare, everyone feels the need to buy / sell stuff there because everyone feels the need to buy / sell stuff there.
I've no doubt that CCP have assigned as many resources they can hardware wise to solve the problem, but all said and done it's a player led market, so if people want to go to 4-4 to sell their stuff then that's were people will go.
I do agree with getting rid of local chat in jita, it'd get rid of some of the lame scammers, and maybe some way of setting your destination gate out of 4-4 and creating multiple exits so you'd undock and be aligned to your chosen outgate, or as soon as you undock, you automatically get warped to a random bit of jita space.
Failing that, have a flotilla of concorde ships that open fire on ships that just undock and don't move away from the station within 30 seconds
You could introduce higher fees for selling stuff at 4-4 but that'll just eventually move the problem to another station in jita, or if you make it jita-wide then new caldari will get the same problem.
Any serious traders have the skills to sell remotely so they just dump stuff in jita and run away to safety so they don't have to suffer quite as much lag.
Sure it's frustrating when you realise that mid-afternoon over a weekend that you need something from jita, just go down in the smallest ship you need and hope it's not too bad.
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Diziet EmblassSma
Caldari Caldari Freelancers Association
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:08:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Checkbit
Failing that, have a flotilla of concorde ships that open fire on ships that just undock and don't move away from the station within 30 seconds
But then there would be an equal amount of people hanging around at 50km taking photos/placing bets on who's next/or just there for the sheer destructive pleasure of it.
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Andru Zhukov
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:45:00 -
[142]
Performance in Jita was dreadful this morning at 1110 server time with approx 730 people in Local. Got a black screen for a couple of minutes after undocking from IV-4. Quit and logged in again. Black screen for a few more minutes before finally being able to warp away. Got to New Caldari gate and distance showed 0m but the message said I was not within 2500m and couldn't go through. A minute or so later the lag ended and the jump was made. Please fix this. FWIW I agree that removing Local would be a good start.
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Harrison III
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:00:00 -
[143]
I've noticed a huge increase in the player numbers stretching from Piak to Torrinos. over 200 easy in Iopo and Isin over the last few weeks. Lag is pretty hefty.
Might be a good idea to help get people out in the wormhole space rather then moving around agents?
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NVRYNZWS Escort
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:29:00 -
[144]
well all i know is i am being told that my character is currenmtly in Sivala which is stuck and i should either choose a different character...excuse me?...or try later....have been....while there are at least 11000 to 13000 people supposedly online...so to hell with any kind of priveledged few ...shut it down and keep it down till its all back up, no one should be on if everyone can't be
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Kasigi
Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones
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Posted - 2009.08.30 21:52:00 -
[145]
REALLY, this is getting stupid. it is an ongoing problem so buy the servers necessary to handle it. Its not like you are a foundering company unable buy the resources you need. Today to have 300 per incoming jita gate stacked is ridiculous. I apologize for my directnous but we all pay money to play eve basically your salaries, but i am sitting here unable to even get back into the game because my character is in limbo. _______________
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Kasigi
Caldari The Demi-Fallen Ones
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:01:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Khalia Nestune
Originally by: Gix Titan CCP should stop all adverts for EvE untill they can buy and place enough resources on the Jita problem. Because at some point in the future a vast majority of empire space will eventually resemble Jita as it is today. Instead of using my money to screw up my perfectly fine fitting screen they should spend the next 6 months writing code and buying tech to fix this problem once and for all instead of putting bandaids on severed arms!
It doesn't work like that - block of ad space are reserved ahead of time on a contract basis, you can't just turn them on and off as you want. Besides, if they bring in more money, then taking them down would actually /hurt/ CCP.
well they are false advertising then. so the "more money" is obtained under false pretenses.
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QuorTek
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:36:00 -
[147]
A simple solution would to be making more Jita's that would just be a Ghost of the original Jita.. so if Jita is over booked by people there would be another Jita at the same location like an additional region with the same stuff... both Jita regions or whatever number of regions would have there database shared with each other, so if you move stuff from Jita 2 it would be the same as removing stuff from Jita, but just another zone in a figure of speech.
You could put it up like Jita being instanced in several copies to avoid to many people at the same time, but sharing the same database as in where the trades are, would confuse the pirates and scannerships though that are trying to jump defenceless ships though.
It works like this... let us say there is a cap of 500 people per Jita instance.. when you log into the original one and that one is full.. you would then log into Jita 2 instead then but still having the assets or whatever placed there...
Or to make it even better... that if people would enter jita then let us say two individuals enter the system and it is empty then it would place each one of them in each there jita instance or the likes to keep a better flow going.. if you are grouped with someone then of course those people would be able to follow each other in in.
Just my 5 cents to everything.
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Khepri
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:52:00 -
[148]
You can't just make a "second Jita". Jita is Jita because everyone trades there, and everyone trades there because, well, everyone trades there. You go by default to Jita because you know everything you want is there, so everyone who wants to sell something goes to Jita because he knows he will find people wanting to buy it there. It's, as has been pointed out before, a self propelling problem.
Also, just shifting some parameter of the game, from changing Jita's security status to removing starlanes, also only mitigates the problem. Some other place will become tradecentral and the problem starts anew.
The most sensible idea I heard so far was the one of the variable trading fees. The higher the amount of goods offered and traded, the higher the fee rises. That directly encourages people to spread the trading out to other systems. At first, this will certainly only move people to the systems directly next to Jita, but eventually it should spread out the trade quite a bit.
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Rahlstin
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Posted - 2009.08.30 22:53:00 -
[149]
like an alternate jita reality but along the same timeline.
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QuorTek
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:03:00 -
[150]
Edited by: QuorTek on 30/08/2009 23:04:38
Originally by: Khepri You can't just make a "second Jita". Jita is Jita because everyone trades there, and everyone trades there because, well, everyone trades there. You go by default to Jita because you know everything you want is there, so everyone who wants to sell something goes to Jita because he knows he will find people wanting to buy it there. It's, as has been pointed out before, a self propelling problem.
Also, just shifting some parameter of the game, from changing Jita's security status to removing starlanes, also only mitigates the problem. Some other place will become tradecentral and the problem starts anew.
The most sensible idea I heard so far was the one of the variable trading fees. The higher the amount of goods offered and traded, the higher the fee rises. That directly encourages people to spread the trading out to other systems. At first, this will certainly only move people to the systems directly next to Jita, but eventually it should spread out the trade quite a bit.
You clearly missed my point then... it would be Jita 2 or 3 or just original Jita but at the exact same cordinate sharing the exact same trade database in which would be the exactly same, if you sell something in one of the jita instances it would be the same as selling the same thing in the other jita instances, just spreading out instances at the location where jita is to reduce lag due to too many players present at the same spot, the trade would be as always it is just when you log into jita and it is full it would still log you into jita but just named jita two with the exact same features and the exact same assets you had a jita as it would share the same database as at jita, and be having the exact same contracts, buy and sell orders to look into as well.
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strawberry alarmclock
Amarr Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:15:00 -
[151]
make jita a no fire zone this would remove half the gank tards that hang there 23/7 attacking haulers.
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Tjienta Vara
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:32:00 -
[152]
Originally by: QuorTek Edited by: QuorTek on 30/08/2009 23:04:38 You clearly missed my point then... it would be Jita 2 or 3 or just original Jita but at the exact same cordinate sharing the exact same trade database in which would be the exactly same, if you sell something in one of the jita instances it would be the same as selling the same thing in the other jita instances.
I would suggest not to make multiple instances, which would mean that they need to build a system that can shard a system. However, maybe they can make an other station in an other system share the same market.
For example; a new Maurasi 4-4 station could be using the same market/hanger/S&I instance as Jita 4-4. In the story you could say that goods can now be transported between nearby stations by a new invention. "They copied a whole station using quantum entanglement". You could make it visually different, like having it partially transparent and or moving slightly, so that one knows immediately that something is different with this station (of course that would involve programming and artwork).
It would be best to keep the systems close so as not to break the remote/range buying/selling program to much. For those programs I would say that they should remain unmodified working from Jita 4-4 as center.
The stations also need to stay close together, so as not to use the station as a way to transport goods without using ships. Having distant mirrored stations may be something to consider at a later time, but it would be an extreme change for ppl who used to move/trade stuff between these far away regions. But also in this case the station is clearly a copy from the first station, so setting up remote buy or sell orders would be done with the primary station as center.
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Selquita
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.31 08:49:00 -
[153]
The whole idea of making instances of a region/system/station would completely undermine the very thing that brings us all to EVE; A complete lack of sharded servers.
One server, one universe, 45,000 simultaneous players. That's the big draw for me, at least.
I also realize that most of you are probably a little too young (game wise), to remember the previous market hub of Yulai. Jita is a dream in comparison. The lag is more than tolerable, the markets a lot more stable, and overall a much better experience.
And for those of you crying over the fact that CCP is noobing it up because their hardware/software actually had to go down for a whole extra hour today, and you're paying 'big money' just to play their 'Online Spaceship Community Service', just remember that the power company has downtimes, too. Hell, the power company has more hiccups per year than CCP does, and they effect a whole helluvalot more people per 'downtime' than EVE ever has, while still charging way more per month. But they've also been supplying power to the masses for decades longer, too.
So, quit whining about how things aren't fitting into your perfect plan. If you don't like the results of CCP's work, quit paying for the game. It's really that simple.
*puts soap box away.*
Also, thank you CCP for offering us this wonderful 'Online Spaceship Community Service'. ====================================
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:15:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Selquita ..., just remember that the power company has downtimes, too. Hell, the power company has more hiccups per year than CCP does,
not that i dont agree with you that people shouldnt be such crybabies when ccp has to restart tq once in a very long while and that 1000 scammers in jita without the node crashing is a mirracle in itself
BUT
im sorry... in what 3rd world country do you live (and this being an internet spaceships game its very possible so no offence ment) that your power goes down more often than ccp's service !?!?!?!?!?!?!
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:33:00 -
[155]
Someone mentioned this before - Make is so you can buy anything in Jita and have it delivered free and instantly to one system out. Limit it this way, so you can dock in sobaseki, but an item from Jita 4-4 and it shows up in you station.
Won't get rid of the tards that sit undocked 23/7, but will spread them out to several systems and spread the load out on the servers
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