Originally by: Halada

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"...Finally, I apologize for the crappy quality of the images in the guide."

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Originally by: Halada

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I appreciate your feedback but please edit your first post rather than adding a new one all the time :) It'll make it easier to sort through! Thanks :)

Also, the guide was proofread by 12 people overnight so many of the typos were corrected!

I plan to release sections 6, 7 and 9 this week-end.

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Originally by: Zaknussem

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To help you further with this, I did the grinding during Quantum Rise, around November or December.

I also remember seeing the Refining window showing me 0.0% in the "we take" column when I had 6.67, which was true as long as I was refining in small amounts. However, when I refined a evening's worth of mined ore, several hundred units of minerals were being taken as tax, which led me to conclude that the tax rate was at 0.01% or thereabouts at corp standing 6.67.

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Originally by: Galen Achu

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on page 15 you mention the NPC station equipment of 50%. There are some NPC stations that have a 30% yield.

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Originally by: Halada

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I know what is wrong with the pictures, but don't know how to fix it.

I created my pictures in Photoshop, inserted them in the Word Document. However they are always oversized, and I scale them back to 75% in word so they are identical to what they look like in Photoshop at 100%.

When I create the PDF though, it resizes back the pictures to 100% and is responsible for the distortion.

Anyone that has the fix will get 100mil ISK :D

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Originally by: Ms Delerium

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just add some anti-griefers techniques* and we are done




*apart from being on NPC for years

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Originally by: Kithran

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Re Standing required for 0% tax

I've just gotten my standing with Republic Fleet to 6.47 however the Reprocessing screen says the tax is still 0.15% and 333 units of Veldspar will refine to 998 trit.

For reference Refining 5, Refinery Efficeny 2, Veldspar Reprocessing 4

Kithran

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Originally by: Seraph Castillon

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Small suggestion:

Loosen up on pussing people on the Caldari Spaceship command skill tree simply for the Bantam and the Osprey.

New players may see this guide as the only thing that guides them in a new environment where everything is uncertain. They will train Caldari because you tell them it's the best. This while once they reach mining barges or decide that mining is not for them, they will realise that the pittyfull extra 10% bonus on the Osprey wasn't really worth the skill points and they had rather used the time to train up another race to cruiser.

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Originally by: Maven Deltor

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This guide is awesome, and I don't mean like a hot dog... More than that. Can't wait to see the rest

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Some asteroids will be bigger and contain more ore than others. You can use a Survey
Scanner on your ship to find out how much ore exactly is contained in an asteroid. In most
cases, this module is rarely used, as after youÆve depleted an asteroid, you will simply
switch to another one

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1.2.1 What Should I Mine Then?
This question comes up on the forums every week, and the answer always changes. ThatÆs
because the mineral market always fluctuates, according to supply and demand. There are
several tools to help you figure it out.
The first one is Eve-central. It has an excellent market report on minerals, with statistics up
to the last 180 days. Another fantastic tool is the Trade Hub Mineral Index which reports the
average sell and buy prices of minerals across multiple hubs.

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4.2 The Barge Way
Before we go any further, you must know that the Procurer sucks. The Osprey will outmine
it, so the first barge you will go for will be the Retriever.

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You will also notice that Mercoxit is grayed out, as Mercoxit mining uses a different bonus
system with its crystals and its equipment, therefore a direct comparison with units or m3
isníªt possible.
How can we generally interpret that table ? At the time of the release of this guide,
Omber is the best ore available in Empire
Hedbergite is the best ore available in Low-sec
Bistot and Arkonor are the best ores available in 0.0

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Omber is the best ore available in Empire

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I'd replace Omber with Veldspar, since the time of release of this last guide is not the same time of the older guide's ;P

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Originally by: Alaris Nightshadow

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Not to nitpick, but I also noted in section 11.3.

You mention the importance of having a player in the Fleet, Wing and Squad Commander Positions, but you neglect to mention the skills required for those in the roles to pass on the bonuses:

Fleet Commander
Fleet Command - Allows command of a Fleet. Grants the Fleet Commander the ability to command a new Wing per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Wings.

Wing Commander
Wing Command - Allows command of a Wing. Grants the Wing Commander the ability to operate a new Squadron per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Squadrons.

Squad Commander
Leadership - Allows command of a squadron. Increases maximum squadron size by 2 members per skill level, up to a maximum of 10 members.


So for example if I have Wing Command III, I can pass my bonus on to three squads, assuming each squad has a Commander with Leadership V

If the same Character were to be in the Fleet Commander Position without the Fleet Command Skill, they would not pass on any bonus'

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Originally by: Karox Lominax

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Presuming that youre only talking about 2 people

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Originally by: Karox Lominax

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one character would need leadership 1 (allowing for a squad of 2) and the guy getting the bonuses wouldnt need anything

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Originally by: Karox Lominax

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Of course, practical wise, you cant get many bonuses with leadership 1, so you will have to trade up the leadership prerequisites for the mining boosting skills (mining foreman and mining director)

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Originally by: Karox Lominax

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and the booster character (which doesnt have to be the squad leader) has to be within the applicable 'command tree' structure.

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Originally by: Pwett

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Squads are formed bottom up.

Smallest possible 'fleet' is a squad commander with one squad member.

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• Fleet
  
  • Squad1
    • Squad leader: Miner giving boost(s)
    • Squad member: Regular guy receiving the boost(s)
  • Squad 2
  • Squad leader: Miner giving boost(s)
  • Squad member: Regular guy receiving the boost(s)
  • Squad N
  • ...

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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4) Look at the fleet window, a green check should be now be visible all in the upper left. If it stays a red X, it means you are doing something wrong or the guys are in different systems or one is in a station.

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Originally by: kurika

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This might be a stupid question but here it goes. I was checking the math on my mining yield against what eve said it should be because I'm creating a calculator. when i use a strip miner II with one mining upgrade II with my skills at lvl 5 with mining, mining barge, exhumers, and astrogeology it matches what eve says but the instant that I add the 2nd upgrade II the numbers are off by alittle bit. With one Upgrade my yield in m3 was 810.8578125 and eve matched it. With 2 upgrades my yield was 877.809375 and eve said 883.835015625. Could this be a glitch or do you have a increased yield when you equip 2 upgrades. Thanks for any help.

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Originally by: DonSailieri

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You might wanna include a "trade" section, however =)

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Originally by: Per Bastet

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Bump, When is the Next Part coming out?

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Originally by: Steve Thomas

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Originally by: Per Bastet

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Bump, When is the Next Part coming out?

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Soon TM

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Of course, you could mine Veldspar in a Revelation, call it a Veldnought, and feel your e-peen expand rapidly, but itÆll be just for show.

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If you feel sad one day, because your girlfriend just dumped you and called you an inadequate lover, feel free to strap some Miners II on your Avatar and go **** some roids.

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Originally by: Jormungand Altruis

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Of course, you could mine Veldspar in a Revelation, call it a Veldnought, and feel your e-peen expand rapidly, but itÆll be just for show.

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If you feel sad one day, because your girlfriend just dumped you and called you an inadequate lover, feel free to strap some Miners II on your Avatar and go **** some roids.

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Oh dear, do I detect some potshots at Chribba?

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Originally by: Magara Sith

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this may be a dumb question but in reading the posts it seams that the complete guide should be out by now. But the down load only has first part.... Were can I find the rest of it? Help PLZ

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Originally by: kurika

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How does the refining implant fit in the refining yield formula. I can't figure out how to make the math work on it.

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Originally by: Halada

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First of all, medschool sucks mokay?

POS, probing and outpost sections are done, i need to add the images and republish the pdf...Im hoping I can do this before the end of Month.

Let`s just say people seem to procreate more lately as I`ve been circled in babies and birth giving moms for weeks now...

Invention guide and tech3 manufacturing will have to be postponed until summer since there are already adequate documention availavle for these and its not urgent per say.

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Originally by: Halada

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First of all, medschool sucks mokay?

POS, probing and outpost sections are done, i need to add the images and republish the pdf...Im hoping I can do this before the end of Month.

Let`s just say people seem to procreate more lately as I`ve been circled in babies and birth giving moms for weeks now...

Invention guide and tech3 manufacturing will have to be postponed until summer since there are already adequate documention availavle for these and its not urgent per say.

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Originally by: ED Dean

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i think there's some error in the guide. you wrote that the strip miner I uses mining crystal. is this right? im just a noob however.

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Originally by: Seraph Castillon

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Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 05/05/2009 11:41:07

Originally by: ED Dean

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i think there's some error in the guide. you wrote that the strip miner I uses mining crystal. is this right? im just a noob however.

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You can (don't have to) use crystals on it to increase your yield and decrease cap usage.

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Originally by: Halada

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Furthermore, medical school is getting worse as we go, but I get 8 weeks off on June 19th 2009. I could release a botched guide for the remaining sections but I'd really hate myself.

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Originally by: Cirro Cumulus

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Botched is not for me :(

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Originally by: Timon Tech

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Halada,

Again, thank you. I am just coming back to Eve after a long hiatus and honestly, I can't imagine how awesome you must be nor can I think you enough for you time on putting this together. And during medical school! You must be superman. I hope you never burn out on this.

Just one comment. On page 31 (37 actual PDF pages) you mention that the Gistii-A Small shield booster is "hideously expansive". You meant hideous expensive. And you are correct sir, it is.

Thanks again

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Originally by: Akita T

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PROBLEM : Basement is overflowing with water from a ruptured pipe.
NORMAL solution: fix the pipe, clean up the water.
CCP solution: install a pump to drain water from the base

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Originally by: Akita T

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PROBLEM : Basement is overflowing with water from a ruptured pipe.
NORMAL solution: fix the pipe, clean up the water.
CCP solution: install a pump to drain water from the base

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Originally by: Slave Z

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Any chance we are going to get the next edition out soon?

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Originally by: Fumen

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Originally by: Slave Z

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Any chance we are going to get the next edition out soon?

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You're answer: Halada's answer

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Originally by: Frealef

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Have too say am pretty disappointed with your latest version to the mining guide, i appreciate your updating it for the latest patches, but you seem to have copy and pasted from the previous versions and added bits in, consequently there are lots of references to other areas of the guide that dont exist no more or are in different areas amongst other things.... wont go into details unless you want me too, but if you read the mining section from beginning to end and theres a number of references or other info that just dosn't make sense.

not read the other parts of the guide so no comment to make on them.

If your gonna read version 3 of the guide i recommend reading a previous version too for it to make sense. Otherwise good job and real life is more important! hopefully one day it will be tidied up and be as perfect as you want it to be.

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Originally by: D Child

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Tell ya what Halada.
I SALUTE YOU
Without your guide I dont know where i would be. The miners guide 3.0 is a piece of work indeed, and you have done a really amazing job with it. Can't wait for the rest to come out, but take your time. I have almost trained up for my Hulk, just 3 more days to go :)
As for the winers, don't listen to them. They don't know what they are talking about. If I can use your guide from the beggining then you have done something right.
Keep up the good work mate. And thanks again, you have made my life a breeze :D

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Originally by: Leocadminone

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Edited by: Leocadminone on 09/07/2009 05:02:15
New players start with Mining 1 and (race) Frigate II. No need to "train" those skills any more as stated in your guide.

In less than 30 minutes they can get to Destroyer - they HAVE all the prerequisites.

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ANY destroyer will easily outmine ANY frigate - a Destroyer for a brand new character can mount 5 XeCl (or in a pinch 3-4 XeCl and the rest EP-S) mining lasers, which will argue very well against any mining CRUISER untill your character exceeds Cruiser III (and even THEN, the Cruiser can only match the Destroyer if you have enough Mining to use all Miner IIs).
A destroyer with 6 x XeCl lasers is possible (and will match ANY mining cruiser throughput easily) but takes some work, and really isn't worthwhile as a path to aim for instead of working towards a Retriever.

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It also takes a LOT longer to train up to use a Cruiser for mining with BEFORE you factor in the time to train up to using Miner II (though the mining skill training isn't a WASTE, you'll want that eventually anyway). Mining with a mining cruiser with anything LESS than Miner IIs is a total WASTE for a mining character vs. mining with a Destroyer, as the 3 high slot limit is not overcomeable before you get to Cruiser V - which takes longer given the prerequisites than just training Destroyer and then going to Retriever.

A Destroyer is also plenty to do virtually all Level II missions for working faction to get your tax rate down, as well as being severe overkill for doing Level I missions to get to the needed faction for level II agents.

For a character that isn't going to do lots of combat as well, the Cruiser path makes sense, as you probably want that skillset anyway for mission running and for your prerequisites to run bigger ships.

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For a true new character, as opposed to a miner alt or someone that aquires a chunk of ISK from friend(s), by all means use a mining frigate long enough to aquire the ISK to buy and outfit your Destroyer.

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Originally by: acwdc78

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what kind of mlus? wat would be the complete fitting of the covetor to have two mlus?

"Do not forget about the Gypsy' KMB-# implant which add CPU to your shipà you
can now fit 2x MLU on a covetor with it!" page 28

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Originally by: Selari

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(That said, if you're looking for Speed... perhaps mining isnt for you ;) )

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Originally by: On3St4B

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Originally by: Selari

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(That said, if you're looking for Speed... perhaps mining isnt for you ;) )

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that said ..
them i guess u have ur learning skillz at lvl 0 ..

i just found the guide , and read a big part of it , also read all the post about the guide ..
its realy an amazing job u did there , realy helpfull , for a new player , in eve , or in mining buisness.

PS: i hate when ppl read a guide like this and then start posting **** , bout this and that . how they have a better way for doing thinks .
if u have such a big knoledge of the game , then why dont u make a guide ?
as far as i know, this guy put a lot of time for the guide , and for no profit. so a ty u whould be appropriate.
as much for destroyer or frigate .. frigate all the way dude .. destroyer dont open anything in the training tree , frigates do , lvl4 is required for crusers .

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Originally by: Selari

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I have tried every combination i can think of, but none of them grant this ability. It looks like you're stuck with 1 MLU until exhumers. (A Skiff and Hulk can both fit 2 MLU's. A Mackinaw can too, but why would you use MLU's instead of ILU's?)

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Originally by: acwdc78

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i wonder if the info about 2 mlus in covetor in guide is accurate.
wats ilu by the way?

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Originally by: Selari

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Edited by: Selari on 13/07/2009 18:22:52
Halada's Errata (Up to Manufacturing)
(This list compiled with complete honor to Halada for an unbelievably complete and great guide; noone can get everything right, even me!)
(This list is not intended as a grammatical proofreading. Dont send me a list of places he made a typo! This list is intended to be a list of factual errors.)

(EVE101): Not every ship flying around is player built/controlled (CONCORD, Faction Guards, etc)
(Mining 101): There are 8 minerals, not 9.
(Mining 101): CONCORD is capitalized because it is an acronym (CONsolidated COoperation and Relations commanD) (Personally i woulda made that "Division", CCP!)
(1.1): There are 16 types of ore, not 18. (Technically there's 48, since you cant stack the Base/5%/10% ores of the same type together)
(1.2): Arkonor batches at 200, not 250.
(1.3): Doing the tutorials also nets you some of the basic skillbooks (Refining being a big one for the purposes of this guide) without you having to pay for it.
(1.4) Strip Miner I's do not use Crystals.
(1.4) "There are skills you should have trained."... which are? Think you left something out here.
(2) [Ore Name] Processing skill is #5 on the list of 5 things.
(2.1) Mathematically, you need a standing of 6.67, not 6.47, for the tax rate to hit 0.
(2.3) '(shown in the green rectangle ...)' ... The green rectangle is missing; look to the top-right area of the screenshot.
(3.2.1) The asteroid running out of ore does not cause the cycle to end early. (oh how i wish it did.)
(6.2) You cannot fit 2x MLU on a Covetor.
(9.2) Why is the Covetor even being discussed? Your table compares the Mackinaw and the Hulk, not the Covetor.
(10.1) Section 13 covers the ISK ratios.
(13.1) Mercoxit isn't greyed out.
(13.2) The Bold is applied, but it isn't green, as the sentence below the chart says.
(13.3) Arkonor is used in the calculations rather than Bistot, which has a higher ISK/Hour according to the average figures provided, so "best ratio you can get in the game" is incorrect.
(13.3.1) For those that stay in HighSec, you might want to include Veldspar on that table.
(13.4) Again, Bistot beats Arkonor by the figures, and lasers dont stop prematurely because the roid pops.
(13.5) The Rorqual's bonuses now read as thus: (Reduced due to the implementation of 'Can Fit' rather than the 99% reductions)
Capital Industrial Ships skill bonuses:
-5% reduction in fuel consumption for industrial cores per level
5% bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level when in deployed mode
50% bonus to the range of Capital Shield Transporters per level.
20% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level.

Role Bonuses:
900% bonus to the range of survey scanners
200% bonus to the range of cargo scanners

99% reduction in CPU need for Gang Link modules

Can fit Clone Vat Bay
Can use 3 Gang Link modules simultaneously.
(14.1) If there is a BPO for each ore type + variants + Ice types, there should be 48+12 = 60, not 51.

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Originally by: Loco Eve

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you left out that not all npc stations have 50% refi and not to use such stations that give less than 50%

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Originally by: "fenana"

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Mining Director you only get 300% increase of your link modules! why, read its description: "100% bonus to effectiveness of Mining Foreman link modules per level after level 2 is trained." AFTER level 2 is trained.
I.e. 100% for level 3, 100% for level 4 and 100% for level 5

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Originally by: Selari

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Edited by: Selari on 23/07/2009 14:42:15
(Preface: I have not used the Mining Director skill.)

I read it the same way Triffon does.. that once you've completed learning level 2, you get 100%, then another at 3,4,and 5 for a total of 400%, which would also make the guide's use of multiplying by 5 (400% bonus + 100% normal = 500% = 5) correct.

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Originally by: Aneralis Masaki

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As a point of clarification, for every level of the skill you get 100% (not a 100% bonus). This means that at level 1 you get 100% of your yield. At level 2 you get 200% of your yield (or a 100% bonus). At level 3, 300% of your yield (200% bonus).

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Originally by: Davinitis

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[i]I am trying to understand this. According to this statement, if you had Mining director at lvl 1, you would NOT receive a bonus whatsoever since skill * 1 = skill (no increase at all).

The description for the skill states "Increases link effectiveness by 100% per level". This also doesn't agree with the comment above.

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Originally by: Yarblek Runningwolf

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I have honestly never understood why this skill causes so much confusion, the description seems quite precise to me.

Yarb

Oh, and I learned just about everything I know about mining from Halada!

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Originally by: Ruarch

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You also may wish to add a blurb to the Refining section that POS refining array yields are never modified by the character's skills and implants.

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Originally by: Mona X

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Originally by: Ruarch

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You also may wish to add a blurb to the Refining section that POS refining array yields are never modified by the character's skills and implants.

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But they are.

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Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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I just had a quick question, Halada. What software do you use to write and typeset your guide?

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Originally by: Leocadminone

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New players start with Mining 1 and (race) Frigate II. No need to "train" those skills any more as stated in your guide.

In less than 30 minutes they can get to Destroyer - they HAVE all the prerequisites.

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Originally by: Halada

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Considering I've put in probably over 200 hours over 3.5 years, I made a whopping 10mil/hour writing this.

I have done more lucrative things in my EVE career

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Originally by: Selari

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The ambiguity of 'after' level 2 is understandably confusing to some.
Perhaps it would be better worded "100% bonus to effectiveness of Mining Foreman link modules per level beyond the first."

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Originally by: Halada

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Originally by: Mona X

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Originally by: Ruarch

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You also may wish to add a blurb to the Refining section that POS refining array yields are never modified by the character's skills and implants.

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But they are.

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They aren't.

I'm writing stuff now, I'm almost done with all the errat, I'll add this.

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Originally by: Selari

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Originally by: Yarblek Runningwolf

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I have honestly never understood why this skill causes so much confusion, the description seems quite precise to me.

Yarb

Oh, and I learned just about everything I know about mining from Halada!

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The ambiguity of 'after' level 2 is understandably confusing to some.
Perhaps it would be better worded "100% bonus to effectiveness of Mining Foreman link modules per level beyond the first."

And I learned how to mine -properly- from Halada!

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Originally by: Jasonwilliams

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The only reason why I would anyone having a prooblem with it is if english wasn't their first language or they never finished elementary school.

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Originally by: Leocadminone

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New players start with Mining 1 and (race) Frigate II. No need to "train" those skills any more as stated in your guide.

In less than 30 minutes they can get to Destroyer - they HAVE all the prerequisites.

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Very easy to get to Destroyer on your first day - then you can push straight towards Retriever. IMO this is the best path to take for a character that will do nothing BUT mining, as the time to train to a mining CA isn't all that much less than the time to go straight to Retriever instead, and your mining DD will have comparable throughput to a mining CA 'till you train up to be able to use Miner IIs - and by THAT point you pretty much should be IN a Retriever.

Looking at my EveMon plan for "new character to Retriever" shows less than 11 days from a standing start - WITHOUT optimising attrributes and NO implants. Optimization alone drops that to less than 8.5 days. That happenes to include the "get to DD" path.

Destroyer as a mining ship works best for Cadari, as the Comorant can fit 5 XeCl lasers with new character skills + Frigate III + Destroyer I - the other race Destroyers can only fit 4 unless you have much better skills or put stuff like Coprocessors on them - but that's still decent mining throughput. Don't waste the time trying to fit Miner II on a Destroyer - you are CPU limited, not High Slot limited, and the XeCl mines MORE per unit of CPU usage than any other mining laser (The EP-S is second-best there).

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Originally by: Elowine

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First of all, thanks for this great guide!

I had a question about the ice mining part.
This is stated:
"Harvesters II, you will get the following cycle time:
500 sec * 1.25 * 0.75 * 0.75 * 0.95^2 = 317.28 sec"

Is this with or without Ice Harvester Upgrades ?

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Originally by: Jasonwilliams

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Originally by: Selari

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Originally by: Yarblek Runningwolf

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I have honestly never understood why this skill causes so much confusion, the description seems quite precise to me.

Yarb

Oh, and I learned just about everything I know about mining from Halada!

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The ambiguity of 'after' level 2 is understandably confusing to some.
Perhaps it would be better worded "100% bonus to effectiveness of Mining Foreman link modules per level beyond the first."

And I learned how to mine -properly- from Halada!

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The only reason why I would anyone having a prooblem with it is if english wasn't their first language or they never finished elementary school.

"Advanced proficiency at group mining. 100% bonus to effectiveness of Mining Foreman link modules per level after level 2 is trained."

100% bonus to mining foreman links effectiveness per level, okay that's easy to understand.

After level 2 is trained, I don't see why people get confused there. First of all there would be no point in giving a bonus at level 1 because 100% of 0.02 is still 0.02, 200% though is 0.04. Now if, they took out the last part of after level 2 is trained, the problem would then be people thinking that their supposed to be getting double the base.

I've been in an Orca and have been flying the Orca ever since it came out. I already knew the math for the mining foreman stuff before I was even able to use it.

Industrial Command Ships 4
Mining Foreman 5
Mining Director 5
Warfare Link Specialist 5
Cybernetics 5 - Mining Foreman Mindlink

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Originally by: Selari

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Okay a real quick breakdown of this formula:

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Originally by: Leocadminone

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All of the career path mission arcs also GIVE you a Destroyer, IIRC, so the ship itself will be free.

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Originally by: Alain Kinsella

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** I doubt that "Myst Online: Uru Live" or "Second Life" counts as previous experience. ;)

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Originally by: Tirurisu

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Thank you for the guide. I am finding it very useful as I start my mining career and plan for the future. There is one point I am confused on that I hope someone can clarify.

Page 39 gives an example of max command pilot benefits with the following formula:
2% (Mining Foreman Link) * 5 (Mining Director V) * 1.5 (Warfare Link Specialist V) * 1.5 (Mining Foreman Mindlink) = 22.5 that when applied to yield results in a 29% increase.

1/(1-0.225) = 1.29, makes sense. It then says that a Rorqual pilot will boost yield by 42%. The Rorqual could give another 1.25 (at 5% /level) while the Orca could give another 1.15 multiplier (at 3% / level). I don't see where the 42% comes from

(1/(1-(2*5*1.5*1.5*1.25)/100)) = + 39.1% (Rorqual)
(1/(1-(2*5*1.5*1.5*1.15)/100)) = + 34.9 (Orca)

That calculation may be incorrect. I'm looking to max out Orca pilot skills and would appreciate an example showing what the yield multiplier is. Thank you.

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Originally by: RalShae Marques

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2. More discussion on Alt playing. Being an almost totally new newb. I don't have a clue as to the mechanics of alt playing. Would I form a small two character corp? Would I have to PCs playing simultaneously? etc...

3. And a small discussion: Are Mining drones worth it???

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Originally by: Dzil

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What would Jesus charge for a GTC?

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Originally by: Tirestun

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Fantastic Guide -- When's the rest of it coming out?

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Originally by: Draegorn

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Edited by: Draegorn on 02/11/2009 08:23:46
Edited by: Draegorn on 02/11/2009 08:23:27

Originally by: Tirestun

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Fantastic Guide -- When's the rest of it coming out?

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monday morning, early.. having your 1st brew and then you read this..

I think a ROFLMAO is at place here.

It's like asking the pope about the bible; nice book, when ya gonna publish the sequel?

This guide is awesome and huge.. asking for 'the rest' is almost insulting

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Originally by: Dzil

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What would Jesus charge for a GTC?

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Originally by: Tirestun

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Originally by: Draegorn

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Edited by: Draegorn on 02/11/2009 08:23:46
Edited by: Draegorn on 02/11/2009 08:23:27

Originally by: Tirestun

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Fantastic Guide -- When's the rest of it coming out?

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monday morning, early.. having your 1st brew and then you read this..

I think a ROFLMAO is at place here.

It's like asking the pope about the bible; nice book, when ya gonna publish the sequel?

This guide is awesome and huge.. asking for 'the rest' is almost insulting

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I just want to read whats left -- I loved the hell out of the guide and knowing there's more on the way without it being out is killing me. I meant no insult any more than eagerly awaiting the release of a new book.

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