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Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.12 15:46:00 - [1] No idea what ore is more profitable, right? Well look no further! Block Ships and Ammunitions Corporation (BSAC) manages the largest mineral reserve in EVE. Recently, we created six Mineral Index Funds that trade exclusively in the mineral market across the largest hubs and are 100% liquid. To aid miners in their quest to maximum profit for their hard work, we added ore incomes (ISK per m3) to our Website. Ore incomes are based on the ôregularö ore and assume no loss to refining or standings. Prices are calculated using the ôsell itö Index price. Price per unit? To determine the price per unit or income per unit simply multiply the ore income by its volume. For instance, to determine Veldspar price per unit multiply Veldspar income times 0.1. If you want the most profit and consider yourself a miner/manufacturer you need to separate both professions. As a miner you must mine the most profitable ore. As a manufacturer, sell some of your mined minerals and purchase the minerals that are not worth mining for. For instance, mine Veldspar, sell tritanium, and purchase Isogen. You can acquire Isogen almost two times faster if you mine Veldspar than if you mine Omber. Remember, mining and manufacturing are two separate professions. Optimize both and do not cheat one side from the other. ù Find ore income rate hereù http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1007339 http://sites.google.com/site/evebsac/ BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Lexia Stone	Posted - 2009.03.12 16:47:00 - [2] Originally by: Block Ukx For instance, mine Veldspar, sell tritanium, and purchase Isogen. You can acquire Isogen almost two times faster if you mine Veldspar than if you mine Omber. More people mining veld to buy isogen = less omber being mined = less isogen on the market = higher price for isogen? I'm terrible at economics but if everyone's mining veld, where are all the other mins gonna come from?
Thaddeus Griff Gallente ORE-TECH	Posted - 2009.03.12 16:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Lexia Stone Originally by: Block Ukx For instance, mine Veldspar, sell tritanium, and purchase Isogen. You can acquire Isogen almost two times faster if you mine Veldspar than if you mine Omber. More people mining veld to buy isogen = less omber being mined = less isogen on the market = higher price for isogen? I'm terrible at economics but if everyone's mining veld, where are all the other mins gonna come from? Missions. You don't choose what you get out of salvaging / drone mins. It is possible to fail in many ways...while to succeed is possible only in one way. Aristotle
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Lexia Stone More people mining veld to buy isogen = less omber being mined = less isogen on the market = higher price for isogen? LetÆs ignore recycled mission loot for a moment. If everyone mines Veldspar, I agree, the value of Omber would go up. Originally by: Lexia Stone I'm terrible at economics but if everyone's mining veld, where are all the other mins gonna come from? At some point it would become more profitable to mine Omber instead of Veldspar, so people would start mining Omber. Prices are dynamic and miners should focus on the most profitable ore. Use the Exchange to determine which ore is most profitable one. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:13:00 - [5] There was a time when Omber was best. There was a time when Pyerite prices were up and Scordite was best. The market fluctuates based on whats being mined, where else minerals can come from, and what requires minerals to be built. I made my own spreadsheet long ago -- plug in the current market prices and see what has the best ISK/m3 value today. I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:04:00 - [6] Quote: I'm terrible at economics but if everyone's mining veld, where are all the other mins gonna come from? There's enough people who don't realise this to keep a steady supply of isogen coming in
Necrosmith Gallente Chunder Corp	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Necrosmith on 12/03/2009 21:34:40 Can you explain the exchange open part? The price quote selection, specifically. ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care?
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.13 13:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Necrosmith Edited by: Necrosmith on 12/03/2009 21:34:40 Can you explain the exchange open part? The price quote selection, specifically. We have about 32 B in minerals actively trading on the markets and another 312 B in Reserve for the unexpected. Quoted prices are based on the individual Index Fund transactions, mineral vault, open market price, and Forge Index. Prices are very volatile and change daily. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:03:00 - [9] Prices update daily (Mon-Fri) You can find price history in the ôinvestingö page of our website. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.18 14:32:00 - [10] Price Updated BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:51:00 - [11] Ore income change daily, so make sure you check our website before mining. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Tyran Scholus	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Lexia Stone More people mining veld to buy isogen = less omber being mined = less isogen on the market = higher price for isogen? LetÆs ignore recycled mission loot for a moment. If everyone mines Veldspar, I agree, the value of Omber would go up. Originally by: Lexia Stone I'm terrible at economics but if everyone's mining veld, where are all the other mins gonna come from? At some point it would become more profitable to mine Omber instead of Veldspar, so people would start mining Omber. Prices are dynamic and miners should focus on the most profitable ore. Use the Exchange to determine which ore is most profitable one. Not even this, in my opinion. The number of Veldspar asteroids in a system is limited, and when they're exhausted I start mining other things. The system I mine in is fairly low-population, but the ones around it are usually pretty crowded, so for me it's a waste of time to move around a lot rather than mine what I can where I am.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.03.27 11:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Tyran Scholus Not even this, in my opinion. The number of Veldspar asteroids in a system is limited, and when they're exhausted I start mining other things. The system I mine in is fairly low-population, but the ones around it are usually pretty crowded, so for me it's a waste of time to move around a lot rather than mine what I can where I am. Hopefully, you start mining the next most profitable ore. ThatÆs where this website helps. Most miners are unaware which ores are the most profitable, and whether or not they should move to the next system seeking higher returns. PS I have seen people mined Omber when there is plenty of Veldspar around simply because they need Isogen. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.02 19:13:00 - [14] I hope people find this usefull. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:14:00 - [15] Dark Ochre added to the ore income list More ores coming soon. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.10 15:36:00 - [16] New Ores Added. All ores but Mercoxit are now listed in the ore income section of the Exchange. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.16 16:19:00 - [17] Just a reminder. Prices update daily Mon-Fri. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Liz Laser Three 6 MaFiA Dark Crystal Empire	Posted - 2009.04.16 19:35:00 - [18] Mining Veldspar to buy Isogen may mean that your buy orders attract more miners to your system. Pretty soon, you're just a manufacturer. (Not that I'm saying it is a bad thing, just something to take into account).
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:31:00 - [19] Mining and manufacturing are two different and independent professions and most players mixed them all the time. They totally disregard the concept of opportunity cost. As a miner your goal is to maximize your ISK per hour (revenues). You find the best ore to mine and sell it to the highest bidder. As a manufacturer your goal is to maximize your revenues. You purchase the cheapest minerals you can find (within reasonable range) and sell your products as high as you can within reasonable time. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Liz Laser Three 6 MaFiA Dark Crystal Empire	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:39:00 - [20] Those are the standard "opportunity cost" talking points. What I don't see people answer is: (these questions assume no travel to deliver/pickup) a) doesn't my selling Veldspar to buy isogen help some manufacturer set up shop in my favorite system? (using the trit I sold her). b) Won't my buy orders for isogen attract miners, who might then strip the Veldspar too, thus making me just a manufacturer? Obviously, if you're remote from Jita with little competition you are really hoping that some freighter will just come by and fulfill your buy and sell orders. Unfortunately, I find the "sell veld to buy isogen" strategy just invites mining competition that knocks me out of mining altogether in that particular system (since as a Californian, I usually am not free to start mining until 14 hours after downtime), as well as providing minerals for other manufacturers to set up shop too. So although I don't literally think "what I mine is free", I find that being self sufficient makes both my mining and manufacturing competitors less welcome, and that less competition means greater profits. However, I do recognize that once I can pilot a freighter, my outlook might change when I can sell and buy minerals far away from my production centers, and the quantities I can carry might make the travel time worthwhile. Of course, then I have to weigh the "opportunity cost" of not freightering other stuff for other people, and in the end maybe decide that level 4 missioning is the end all be all winner of the opportunity cost game. :-)
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.21 21:44:00 - [21] Liz, You are still thinking of mining and manufacturing as a single profession. Most of the time, a mining site that offers you the best opportunity as a miner is not in the location where your manufacturing takes place. Originally by: Liz Laser a) doesn't my selling Veldspar to buy isogen help some manufacturer set up shop in my favorite system? (using the trit I sold her). As a miner, yes, you want a nearby place where there is plenty of demand so you can sell minerals at a high price. This is what any focus miner would do. Originally by: Liz Laser b) Won't my buy orders for isogen attract miners, who might then strip the Veldspar too, thus making me just a manufacturer? As a manufacturer, you want a place where orders are filled fairly cheap and within a reasonable time. Usually is best to manufacture a few jumps away from where youÆre selling. If you do it right, you (the miner) will be selling minerals for more than you will be buying minerals (the manufacturer). This opens the option of mineral trading profession.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:38:00 - [22] Tell your fellow miners about this site. Investment Oportunities Available BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Alvodine Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:48:00 - [23] you should add ice ore to the ore list or make a new list for ice. just a though. WTS/WTB Ammo & Drone BPOs
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.05.01 12:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Alvodine you should add ice ore to the ore list or make a new list for ice. just a though. Thanks for the suggestion. Adding ice ore income is under consideration. The main issue we are facing is that we do not keep track of all ice products. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:00:00 - [25] Just thought I would epeen in here for a bit, but based on my theoretical earnings using that calculator I am mining at 100m an hour on Arkonor.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:51:00 - [26] Don't forget to check the website while mining. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.05.11 14:55:00 - [27] Website prices update every morning Monday - Friday. All prices computed from actual transactions. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.05.26 14:10:00 - [28] Crokite suffers the largest loss of value over the weekend. Check the website for details. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.26 18:04:00 - [29] Tritanium is showing quite a downward trend recently in Jita. Oddly, it seems to be on the rise in regions where it has historically been well below Jita. A correction? Any insight or rumors? I've got several sell orders up at my usual sell price, and there are just no takers. I've never had sell orders up so long. I've had to start training trade skills towards learning Daytrading.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.12 12:15:00 - [30] Easy to use service! BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk

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