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psyco69
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Posted - 2004.08.15 13:45:00 -
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I am about to buy a cheep battle ship and i would like to know what each cruiser is good at
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psyco69
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Posted - 2004.08.15 13:45:00 -
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I am about to buy a cheep battle ship and i would like to know what each cruiser is good at
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 13:49:00 -
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thorax:)
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 13:49:00 -
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thorax:)
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DenFbomb
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:23:00 -
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are you serious?
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DenFbomb
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:23:00 -
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are you serious?
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Orkaine
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:23:00 -
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agree
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Orkaine
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:23:00 -
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agree
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:29:00 -
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moa, caracal or thorax
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:29:00 -
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moa, caracal or thorax
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:30:00 -
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ok it depends there are sevral each with there own advantages.
maller is great for amour tanking and no need for ammo
rupture for its sheer damage at long range(shame the tempest dont work aint it)
vexor for its abilty to use 15 drones when max out skills
thorax for is fast speed and blaster damge
carcel cause of is massisive missle damage
and moa for its shield tanking
so think what race am i and how to i want to fight? long range or short, with drones or with out thats the question.
however thorax is prob the best allrounder for npc, pvp and mining
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:30:00 -
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ok it depends there are sevral each with there own advantages.
maller is great for amour tanking and no need for ammo
rupture for its sheer damage at long range(shame the tempest dont work aint it)
vexor for its abilty to use 15 drones when max out skills
thorax for is fast speed and blaster damge
carcel cause of is massisive missle damage
and moa for its shield tanking
so think what race am i and how to i want to fight? long range or short, with drones or with out thats the question.
however thorax is prob the best allrounder for npc, pvp and mining
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:51:00 -
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Or you could save all those unnecessary words and simply say: The Thorax is the best cruiser ever, without argument. Buy it because everyone else does.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:51:00 -
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Or you could save all those unnecessary words and simply say: The Thorax is the best cruiser ever, without argument. Buy it because everyone else does.
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:06:00 -
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ah but i use a rupture :)
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:06:00 -
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ah but i use a rupture :)
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Fadey
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:13:00 -
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Well its best for BS killin on my opinion (well theres also the BB) but otherwise its questionable, simply put a scyth could be considerd the best cruiser, it always always ALWAYS depends on the situation in paticular, doesnt matter what yyou fly if you happen to come across somone with the right equipment yu'll die alll the same.
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Fadey
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:13:00 -
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Well its best for BS killin on my opinion (well theres also the BB) but otherwise its questionable, simply put a scyth could be considerd the best cruiser, it always always ALWAYS depends on the situation in paticular, doesnt matter what yyou fly if you happen to come across somone with the right equipment yu'll die alll the same.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:14:00 -
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I'd say that the Thorax is the best all-around (good speed and agility, good damage with both railguns and blasters, and nice drone bay). Most battleships will be in deep trouble if a pair of Thoraxes manage to close on.
Next I'd say the Moa, who can mount 4*250 + 2 heavy missile launchers. It's rail range bonus allow him to use more damaging ammos, and it's also a good shield tank.
Rupture is also good, and is faster than the others, but can't deal as many damge.
Caracals and Mallers, I didn't tested, but they seem nice.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:14:00 -
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I'd say that the Thorax is the best all-around (good speed and agility, good damage with both railguns and blasters, and nice drone bay). Most battleships will be in deep trouble if a pair of Thoraxes manage to close on.
Next I'd say the Moa, who can mount 4*250 + 2 heavy missile launchers. It's rail range bonus allow him to use more damaging ammos, and it's also a good shield tank.
Rupture is also good, and is faster than the others, but can't deal as many damge.
Caracals and Mallers, I didn't tested, but they seem nice.
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: DJTheBaron on 15/08/2004 16:27:02
for speed + drones + damage + decent hitpoint regenm, thorax, thorax is also the best miner with basic skills due to drones for defence and 5 turrent hardpoints
for damage, carcal
for ewar blackbird
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: DJTheBaron on 15/08/2004 16:27:02
for speed + drones + damage + decent hitpoint regenm, thorax, thorax is also the best miner with basic skills due to drones for defence and 5 turrent hardpoints
for damage, carcal
for ewar blackbird
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Shadowsword
I'd say that the Thorax is the best all-around (good speed and agility, good damage with both railguns and blasters, and nice drone bay). Most battleships will be in deep trouble if a pair of Thoraxes manage to close on.
Next I'd say the Moa, who can mount 4*250 + 2 heavy missile launchers. It's rail range bonus allow him to use more damaging ammos, and it's also a good shield tank.
Rupture is also good, and is faster than the others, but can't deal as many damge.
Caracals and Mallers, I didn't tested, but they seem nice.
Rupture is fast yes, and it can deal lots of damage, just you need good gunnery skills to hit now  Better than a Moa imo.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
I'd say that the Thorax is the best all-around (good speed and agility, good damage with both railguns and blasters, and nice drone bay). Most battleships will be in deep trouble if a pair of Thoraxes manage to close on.
Next I'd say the Moa, who can mount 4*250 + 2 heavy missile launchers. It's rail range bonus allow him to use more damaging ammos, and it's also a good shield tank.
Rupture is also good, and is faster than the others, but can't deal as many damge.
Caracals and Mallers, I didn't tested, but they seem nice.
Rupture is fast yes, and it can deal lots of damage, just you need good gunnery skills to hit now Better than a Moa imo.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: DJTheBaron
Edited by: DJTheBaron on 15/08/2004 16:27:02
thorax is also the best miner with basic skills due to drones for defence and 5 turrent hardpoints
Didn't the second cruiser bonus make opsrey the best miner? (Don't know about the defence side though)
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: DJTheBaron
Edited by: DJTheBaron on 15/08/2004 16:27:02
thorax is also the best miner with basic skills due to drones for defence and 5 turrent hardpoints
Didn't the second cruiser bonus make opsrey the best miner? (Don't know about the defence side though)
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:46:00 -
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not just the osprey, scythe is just as good, can fit launchers aswell.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:46:00 -
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not just the osprey, scythe is just as good, can fit launchers aswell.
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:55:00 -
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Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:55:00 -
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Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
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2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:20:00 -
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i seem to have no probs hitting with my ruptures 720mm and 650mm howies, my average damage is anything from 50-450 hp damage. you got to love those wreaking hits, at the mo cause they hit and the damage they do so rock on the rupture thats 425mm rail damage, with 2 heavy launchers, i can run my t2 booster for about 10mins before i need to recharge, and i got 600m/3 drone space, i think that beats a moa dont you?
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Shim'naunta
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:20:00 -
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i seem to have no probs hitting with my ruptures 720mm and 650mm howies, my average damage is anything from 50-450 hp damage. you got to love those wreaking hits, at the mo cause they hit and the damage they do so rock on the rupture thats 425mm rail damage, with 2 heavy launchers, i can run my t2 booster for about 10mins before i need to recharge, and i got 600m/3 drone space, i think that beats a moa dont you?
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ghosthunter
Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
yes, Thorax should get the drone bay nerf that was originally slated for it, that would go a long way to balance it.
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ghosthunter
Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
yes, Thorax should get the drone bay nerf that was originally slated for it, that would go a long way to balance it.
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Originally by: Ghosthunter
Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
yes, Thorax should get the drone bay nerf that was originally slated for it, that would go a long way to balance it.
yea, I gues all ships should get nerft and all caldari ships should get a boost, right?
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2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Ghosthunter
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Originally by: Ghosthunter
Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
Thorax is the Apoc of cruisers.
Cao
so you maybe want to nerf it 2???
yes, Thorax should get the drone bay nerf that was originally slated for it, that would go a long way to balance it.
yea, I gues all ships should get nerft and all caldari ships should get a boost, right?
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2004.08.28 20:06:14combatYour Heavy Ion Blaster I perfectly strikes Pirate Transport Ship, wrecking for 259.5 damage.
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:47:00 -
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Ghosthunter,
For your info, I currently fly a megathron.
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:47:00 -
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Ghosthunter,
For your info, I currently fly a megathron.
Cao
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:55:00 -
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Personally I fly a Rupture.
Why? Faster, smaller signature, massive damage. My only objective is to kill the enemy first. I get standard hits for about 200 on average (between 170 and 230) with its 4 720's.
Of course I use it for PvP and have a Blackbird wingman to jam the enemy.
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
As for the others, the Maller and Omen both look good with the new stats. Moa, Blackbird and Caracal are still incredible ships as well.
I'd say go with whatever ship you prefer though, in the end its all about fun.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:55:00 -
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Personally I fly a Rupture.
Why? Faster, smaller signature, massive damage. My only objective is to kill the enemy first. I get standard hits for about 200 on average (between 170 and 230) with its 4 720's.
Of course I use it for PvP and have a Blackbird wingman to jam the enemy.
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
As for the others, the Maller and Omen both look good with the new stats. Moa, Blackbird and Caracal are still incredible ships as well.
I'd say go with whatever ship you prefer though, in the end its all about fun.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.08.15 23:25:00 -
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In this order :
Thorax, MOA, Caracal, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Bellicose, Blackbird, Celesis, Argurator, Exequorer then the rest in any order you want.
Personally the Thorax, MOA and Rupture can be the deadliest with with my super tracking setup. Maller comes in second in damage but Caracal gets put above both Rupture and Maller for being an uber missile boat.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.08.15 23:25:00 -
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In this order :
Thorax, MOA, Caracal, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Bellicose, Blackbird, Celesis, Argurator, Exequorer then the rest in any order you want.
Personally the Thorax, MOA and Rupture can be the deadliest with with my super tracking setup. Maller comes in second in damage but Caracal gets put above both Rupture and Maller for being an uber missile boat.
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psyco69
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Posted - 2004.08.16 04:10:00 -
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Well the most of you said the THORAX is the best all round ship, thanx for you info |
psyco69
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Posted - 2004.08.16 04:10:00 -
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Well the most of you said the THORAX is the best all round ship, thanx for you info |
Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:28:00 -
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for solo pvp nuffin beats the BB. For pve nuffin beats a long range moa. For all round goodness the rax rules.
All have theyre place thou, just depends wot u want it for
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:28:00 -
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for solo pvp nuffin beats the BB. For pve nuffin beats a long range moa. For all round goodness the rax rules.
All have theyre place thou, just depends wot u want it for
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Dobbick
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylona Tso
In this order :
Thorax, MOA, Caracal, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Bellicose, Blackbird, Celesis, Argurator, Exequorer then the rest in any order you want.
Is this one of those ship stuck bugs between an Auguror and an Arbitrator? 
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Dobbick
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylona Tso
In this order :
Thorax, MOA, Caracal, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Bellicose, Blackbird, Celesis, Argurator, Exequorer then the rest in any order you want.
Is this one of those ship stuck bugs between an Auguror and an Arbitrator?
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
for solo pvp nuffin beats the BB. For pve nuffin beats a long range moa. For all round goodness the rax rules.
Can't agree more with u but u should include the rupture too.....it's an excellent ship too for PvP.
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
for solo pvp nuffin beats the BB. For pve nuffin beats a long range moa. For all round goodness the rax rules.
Can't agree more with u but u should include the rupture too.....it's an excellent ship too for PvP.
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.08.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
I completely agree with you. The presence of a cruiser clearly more powerfull then the others, means that the game is not well balanced. In other words: it's a bug.
I really hate this kind of bugs because they kill one of the most importante (to me) aspect of this kind of games: the possibilty to customize different ships with different setups.
If there is one ship (or weapon, or item in general) better then the others you finally have no choice: unless you want to be weaker then the others, you have to use it.
I left AO because this unbalancing.
I'm still in the trial phase of the game and now I'm quite worried about this issue.
I've still 5 days to take the decision to subscribe or not, so now I ask you: there other issues similar to this one? Usually are they fixed?
Thx in advance
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.08.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
I completely agree with you. The presence of a cruiser clearly more powerfull then the others, means that the game is not well balanced. In other words: it's a bug.
I really hate this kind of bugs because they kill one of the most importante (to me) aspect of this kind of games: the possibilty to customize different ships with different setups.
If there is one ship (or weapon, or item in general) better then the others you finally have no choice: unless you want to be weaker then the others, you have to use it.
I left AO because this unbalancing.
I'm still in the trial phase of the game and now I'm quite worried about this issue.
I've still 5 days to take the decision to subscribe or not, so now I ask you: there other issues similar to this one? Usually are they fixed?
Thx in advance
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zu Lu on 16/08/2004 12:56:47
Originally by: Steeldrake
Originally by: Mortuus
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
I completely agree with you. The presence of a cruiser clearly more powerfull then the others, means that the game is not well balanced. In other words: it's a bug.
I really hate this kind of bugs because they kill one of the most importante (to me) aspect of this kind of games: the possibilty to customize different ships with different setups.
If there is one ship (or weapon, or item in general) better then the others you finally have no choice: unless you want to be weaker then the others, you have to use it.
I left AO because this unbalancing.
I'm still in the trial phase of the game and now I'm quite worried about this issue.
I've still 5 days to take the decision to subscribe or not, so now I ask you: there other issues similar to this one? Usually are they fixed?
Thx in advance
Well in my experience when changes are needed to be made they are sometimes overdone and your current ship of choice can be 'broken' for ages before other changes if any are made to reconcile this. This is the biggest drawback of the game for me atm although i guess in some cases it has to be accepted. There always seems to be a flavour of the month and if you try and specialise with one race of ships you can and do get penalised.
I believe that with new frigates and cruisers being introduced and close range being the king of these ships generally that the Gallente will rule for damage and caldari for support roles. The recent changes to BS's also have not made much difference to balance imo, the tempest was popular for pvp and now not wheraes the apoc was not that popular for pvp and now is.
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zu Lu on 16/08/2004 12:56:47
Originally by: Steeldrake
Originally by: Mortuus
Thorax is the most powerful all around cruiser I think, and that means it does need a nerf. Dropping its drone bay would be great.
I completely agree with you. The presence of a cruiser clearly more powerfull then the others, means that the game is not well balanced. In other words: it's a bug.
I really hate this kind of bugs because they kill one of the most importante (to me) aspect of this kind of games: the possibilty to customize different ships with different setups.
If there is one ship (or weapon, or item in general) better then the others you finally have no choice: unless you want to be weaker then the others, you have to use it.
I left AO because this unbalancing.
I'm still in the trial phase of the game and now I'm quite worried about this issue.
I've still 5 days to take the decision to subscribe or not, so now I ask you: there other issues similar to this one? Usually are they fixed?
Thx in advance
Well in my experience when changes are needed to be made they are sometimes overdone and your current ship of choice can be 'broken' for ages before other changes if any are made to reconcile this. This is the biggest drawback of the game for me atm although i guess in some cases it has to be accepted. There always seems to be a flavour of the month and if you try and specialise with one race of ships you can and do get penalised.
I believe that with new frigates and cruisers being introduced and close range being the king of these ships generally that the Gallente will rule for damage and caldari for support roles. The recent changes to BS's also have not made much difference to balance imo, the tempest was popular for pvp and now not wheraes the apoc was not that popular for pvp and now is.
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Severus Trajan on 16/08/2004 13:01:38
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
Thorax, MOA, Caracal
Time to derail this thread completely:
I have seen plenty of people writing Moa as MOA. Why is this? I always assumed it was taken from the bird name in line with other Caldari ship names (look here for the bird, for example) rather than being an abbreviation. Is it actually an abbreviation or what?
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Severus Trajan on 16/08/2004 13:01:38
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
Thorax, MOA, Caracal
Time to derail this thread completely:
I have seen plenty of people writing Moa as MOA. Why is this? I always assumed it was taken from the bird name in line with other Caldari ship names (look here for the bird, for example) rather than being an abbreviation. Is it actually an abbreviation or what?
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Sarqindi
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:03:00 -
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Now I don't see what's so good about Thorax? I have 2 of those and of course I've tried doing missions in them, but could only come to the conclusion that they suck big time. Not even with 5x RCU could I fit 5x 250mm on it.
I will keep doing missions in my Rupture instead, even before the new bonus it was so much better than Thorax in battle, and now it's much better when I can use projectile turrets as was intended (before new bonus hybrids was more effective for me). I even prefer a Stabber for missions over the mining-only Thorax. |
Sarqindi
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:03:00 -
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Now I don't see what's so good about Thorax? I have 2 of those and of course I've tried doing missions in them, but could only come to the conclusion that they suck big time. Not even with 5x RCU could I fit 5x 250mm on it.
I will keep doing missions in my Rupture instead, even before the new bonus it was so much better than Thorax in battle, and now it's much better when I can use projectile turrets as was intended (before new bonus hybrids was more effective for me). I even prefer a Stabber for missions over the mining-only Thorax. |
Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarqindi
Now I don't see what's so good about Thorax? I have 2 of those and of course I've tried doing missions in them, but could only come to the conclusion that they suck big time. Not even with 5x RCU could I fit 5x 250mm on it.
I will keep doing missions in my Rupture instead, even before the new bonus it was so much better than Thorax in battle, and now it's much better when I can use projectile turrets as was intended (before new bonus hybrids was more effective for me). I even prefer a Stabber for missions over the mining-only Thorax.
I think that people mean that in pvp close range thorax with blasters and 8 heavy drones is overpowered not one using railguns. I must say that the main weakness of a blasterax- cap- has been helped loads with the new mwd-cap bonus.
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarqindi
Now I don't see what's so good about Thorax? I have 2 of those and of course I've tried doing missions in them, but could only come to the conclusion that they suck big time. Not even with 5x RCU could I fit 5x 250mm on it.
I will keep doing missions in my Rupture instead, even before the new bonus it was so much better than Thorax in battle, and now it's much better when I can use projectile turrets as was intended (before new bonus hybrids was more effective for me). I even prefer a Stabber for missions over the mining-only Thorax.
I think that people mean that in pvp close range thorax with blasters and 8 heavy drones is overpowered not one using railguns. I must say that the main weakness of a blasterax- cap- has been helped loads with the new mwd-cap bonus.
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