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Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:14:00 - [31] The box arrived and it says exclusive instant war access, and special edition ship. But not one mention that it's new accounts only. Talk about false advertising. That and it says exclusive carer guide only its not exclusive. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Akor Flandres on 14/03/2009 11:18:59 This thread just shows how annoyingly stupid a lot of EVE players are. Before the BOX SET; 'Wah Wah the exclusive shuttle will unbalance EVE, wah wah new players getting special treatment, wah wah instant access to faction war, wah I hate the new box set' After the new BOX SET; 'Wah Wah I am so stupid I can't read wah wah why can't I get the crappy shuttle wah wah I just wasted money even though I got a 60 day GTC I can apply to my existing account at no extra cost than to buy a GTC online wah wah' SHUT UP. Perhaps if you would have got off you FAT ARSE and went and looked at the box in GAME you wouldnt have been 'lead to believe' by the voice in your HEAD that you could do something you cannot, given what is clearly printed on the box.
Noscodha	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:20:00 - [33] I just recived my retail box Special Edition (specail! cause it doesn't supply what the box and retailer advertised?) i thought "yay now i get my free shuttle and advanced career guide" but NO i have to plough through the boxe set to see if it says the free shuttle or anything else is just for NEW accounts (Which it does NOT). Am aware from reading this thread that ccp said something about the shuttle being for new accounts only, but, i have only been playing for 1 month and have not had time to read alot of the forum and thought that if the box set says you get free items then you get then. Disappointed is not the word i would use to discrbe my mood at the moment, but lets just say, being a new player in Eve online and new to ccp company, i can't get over the amount of stuff that has been screwed up not just with the box advertising but in game too. I hope that ccp with look on what ppl are saying about there new Xpack and take a good hard look at why we are complaining so much. So yes you guessed, i am still going back to the game and thinking of starting a new account, but a month of skill training seems alot to throw away. Your Unhappy New Customer
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Pottsey on 14/03/2009 11:24:35 Akor Flandres said " Perhaps if you would have got off you FAT ARSE and went and looked at the box in GAME you wouldnt have been 'lead to believe' by the voice in your HEAD that you could do something you cannot, given what is clearly printed on the box." I have the box in front of me right now and it clearly says you do get the stuff. There is no mention anywhere on the front, side, insideflap or back of the box that the content is restricted to some players. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:24:00 - [35] ^Get REAL for a second. Who are boxed games usually aimed at, FFS. Oh yes, NEW PLAYERS. You should be grateful you can apply the GTC to an existing account. OH wah, you didn't get the 20m3 cargobay shuttle which is outperformed in every way by a 50,000 isk frigate.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Akor Flandres SHUT UP. Perhaps if you would have got off you FAT ARSE and went and looked at the box in GAME you wouldnt have been 'lead to believe' by the voice in your HEAD that you could do something you cannot, given what is clearly printed on the box. Wow, you've just shown how stupid and arrogant you really are! If YOU had taken the time to READ the posts in this thread you would clearly see that it does NOT say ANYWHERE on the box that the InterBus Shuttle is purely for new players. It says it is an "Exclusive" on the box.] It's not until you you open the box and get half way through the manual that is mentions (In extremely small print, no less), that the shuttle is for new players only. I will be petitioning this with CCP.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Xenoxide Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:27:32 Originally by: Akor Flandres SHUT UP. Perhaps if you would have got off you FAT ARSE and went and looked at the box in GAME you wouldnt have been 'lead to believe' by the voice in your HEAD that you could do something you cannot, given what is clearly printed on the box. Wow, you've just shown how stupid and arrogant you really are! If YOU had taken the time to READ the posts in this thread you would clearly see that it does NOT say ANYWHERE on the box that the InterBus Shuttle is purely for new players. It says it is an "Exclusive" on the box. It's not until you you open the box and get half way through the manual that is mentions (In extremely small print, no less), that the shuttle is for new players only. I will be petitioning this with CCP. WTB ANYTHING that shows CCP advertised the contents of the box for existing players, beyond the fact you can use the GTC inside it. kthnxbai.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:29:00 - [38] Akor Flandres said " ^Get REAL for a second. Who are boxed games usually aimed at, FFS. Oh yes, NEW PLAYERS." Since when? The other MMOs box sets I bought gave me stuff. It's more than just the shuttle as well. The fact is we are told we will get x, y, z if we buy the box. We buy the box open it and find x, y, z is missing. That's false advertising and wrong. It doesn't matter what you value x, y, z if we bought the box due to x, y, z and they are missing we have the right to be upset. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:33:00 - [39] Edited by: Pottsey on 14/03/2009 11:34:06 Akor Flandres said " WTB ANYTHING that shows CCP advertised the contents of the box for existing players, beyond the fact you can use the GTC inside it." The very front of the box says exclusive content. The first item in the list old accounts get which suggests all the items in the list are for old accounts. It's wrong to make a list that of what you get with no mention that you only get half the list. " Instant War Access - Retail box buyers will receive an in-game certificate that will give them instant access to Factional Warfare, while other users have to spend considerable time earning the right to fight for the factions." Where does that say new players only? Where does it say old players will not get the certificate> ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:34:00 - [40] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:34:56 Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:34:28 Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB ANYTHING that shows CCP advertised the contents of the box for existing players, beyond the fact you can use the GTC inside it. kthnxbai. From your beloved GAME: GAME Official Description Click Product Details: Quote: Special Edition Ship û Players will get an exclusive ship in-game. It is special type of a shuttle that is ideal to move things around due to much increased cargo space. This is the first time CCP has created an exclusive ship, so we believe our current player base will be very interested in this. I have three or four posts on this forum. With people like you on here, what makes you think I want to visit them any more often than I do? It's no wonder I didn't know about CCP's real intentions. PS: Since you WTB, I charge 500m ISK for this information.

Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Xenoxide Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 11:34:28 Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB ANYTHING that shows CCP advertised the contents of the box for existing players, beyond the fact you can use the GTC inside it. kthnxbai. From your beloved GAME: GAME Official Description Click Product Details: Quote: Special Edition Ship û Players will get an exclusive ship in-game. It is special type of a shuttle that is ideal to move things around due to much increased cargo space. This is the first time CCP has created an exclusive ship, so we believe our current player base will be very interested in this. I have three or four posts on this forum. With people like you on here, what makes you think I want to visit them any more often than I do? It's no wonder I didn't know about CCP's real intentions. PS: Since you WTB, I charge 500m for this information. GAME does not a CCP equal. Nor does that say 'Existing players can apply this content to their account' at most it implies the ships have value and can be traded. As for why you don't visit these forums, I don't care.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:39:00 - [42] Quote: The other MMOs box sets I bought gave me stuff. EVE isn't like any other MMO with their optional expansions (go back to WOW). This expansion was mandatory and FREE, you didn't have to buy the box, you could have spent a little time reading the official information from the mouths of the devs about the accessibility of the content instead of relying on 3rd party descriptions like xenophobe up there. Boo hoo, use the GTC and stop whinging.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Akor Flandres GAME does not a CCP equal. Quote again: Quote: ...so we believe our current player base will be very interested in this. First person speak? Not gonna be GAME writing that. Originally by: Akor Flandres ...at most it implies the ships have value and can be traded. Please back your statement up, that is merely your interpretation.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:41:00 - [44] As is yours xenophobe. The description on the 3rd party retailer website does not say 'This shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts'.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:42:00 - [45] Akor Flandres said "GAME does not a CCP equal. Nor does that say 'Existing players can apply this content to their account' Yes it does say all players can use the content. I am pretty sure the law says when there are restrictions you must have the restrictions in small print. If you don't say something like ' Only existing players can apply this content to their account' then by default the content is for all players. Advertising is not allowed to say exclusive content when in actual fact you don't get that content. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Pottsey Akor Flandres said "GAME does not a CCP equal. Nor does that say 'Existing players can apply this content to their account' Yes it does say all players can use the content. I am pretty sure the law says when there are restrictions you must have the restrictions in small print. If you don't say something like ' Only existing players can apply this content to their account' then by default the content is for all players. Advertising is not allowed to say exclusive content when in actual fact you don't get that content. You can use the shuttle, if you trade it to your existing account. It DOES NOT say that it can be claimed by your existing account. There is no false advertising, just your invalid interpretation.
Noscodha	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Pottsey Akor Flandres said "GAME does not a CCP equal. Nor does that say 'Existing players can apply this content to their account' Yes it does say all players can use the content. I am pretty sure the law says when there are restrictions you must have the restrictions in small print. If you don't say something like ' Only existing players can apply this content to their account' then by default the content is for all players. Advertising is not allowed to say exclusive content when in actual fact you don't get that content. Here Here. Agree.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Akor Flandres The description on the 3rd party retailer website does not say 'This shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts'. Nor does it say it can be used purely by new accounts. In summary: 1. Retail box announces all these Exclusives with no mention that it can only be used by new accounts. 2. Product Description on an admittedly 3rd party retailer website that appears to have been written by CCP (There are other retailers that have the same description, adding credence to my theory), states implicitly that existing players will be very interested in this, implying that they will have access to it too. 3. The only place that CCP stated otherwise was the forums, with posts buried deeply in threads, which not everyone visits. I honestly think that this is enough of a case to take to the Office of Fair Trading...not that I care that much. Oh, and since your reading abilities seem to be lacking, it's Xenoxide, for future reference.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:53:00 - [49] Edited by: Pottsey on 14/03/2009 11:54:55 Akor Flandres said "It DOES NOT say that it can be claimed by your existing account. There is no false advertising, just your invalid interpretation." The shuttle and war access is listed with the stuff you can claim on existing accounts. If you see a list of stuff you can claim on the existing accounts you think everything on the list can be claimed. CCP posting a list of stuff we get and not saying the lsit is only for some people is false advertising. It's not an invalid interpretation. If there are restrictions on an excusive offer the restrictions must be in small print as I understand the law. "Failure to Disclose It is considered false advertising under the Lanham Act if a representation is "untrue as a result of the failure to disclose a material fact." Therefore, false advertising can come from both misstatements and partially correct statements that are misleading because they do not disclose something the consumer should know. The box failed to disclose the fact some of the content is for new accounts only. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:56:00 - [50] WTB photograph of BOX where it explicitly says shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts.

Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 11:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB photograph of BOX where it explicitly says shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts. WTB photograph of box where it says shuttle cannot be claimed by existing accounts.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Xenoxide Originally by: Akor Flandres WTB photograph of BOX where it explicitly says shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts. WTB photograph of box where it says shuttle cannot be claimed by existing accounts. So if it says neither, why is your interpretation correct and mine wrong? Hmm?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:02:00 - [53] Edited by: Pottsey on 14/03/2009 12:04:57 Akor Flandres said "the box doesn't have to say the shuttle can be claimed by existing accounts." http://images.play.com/covers/8315846x.jpg There you go. The box very clearly has nothing saying that exclusive content is restricted. By default and by the law that means the content and shuttle is for existing accounts. If there are restrictions the restrictions must be in small print. No restrictions in small print should mean there are no restrictions and if there are then its false advertising. EDIT "So if it says neither, why is your interpretation correct and mine wrong? Hmm?" The law says all restrictions must be on the advertising in small print. If there are no restrictions on the advertising then there should be no restrictions. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:06:00 - [54] If you're so sure, then why don't you sue them, pothead. I think you'll be unsuccessful. You already subscribe, the box is aimed at new players, the shuttle being a perk not much more useful than a 50,000isk frigate for them. You get a GTC inside worth the value of the box, you are going to lose.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Akor Flandres So if it says neither, why is your interpretation correct and mine wrong? Hmm? Please quote where I said yours was wrong? I butted in to defend people who you accused of being lazy for not reading things on the box, when the things you told them to read do not exist. However, there is a reason that on every box, poster, advert and packaging item in the UK (And across the world) there is small print. It's to avoid confusion like this. There is also a reason why in the UK there is an Office of Fair Trading. Should anyone care enough, I'm sure they'd be happy to come to ruling decision over this.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:09:00 - [56] tbfh I am sure they dont give a **** about your imgainary shuttle when the box contains contents every one can use worth the value of the cost. Also, YOU CAN USE THE SHUTTLE ON YOUR EXISTING ACCOUNT. YOU CREATE AN ACCOUNT WITH THE GTC AND THEN YOU CONTRACT THE SHUTTLE TO YOURSELF. THEREFORE ANYONE WHO BUYS THE BOX CAN GET THE SHUTTLE. RIGHT.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Xenoxide Oh, I don't think so. But you are. Anyone who buys the box can access all of its content. Boo Hoo. You lost.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:12:00 - [58] Edited by: Xenoxide on 14/03/2009 12:14:57 Originally by: Akor Flandres tbfh I am sure they dont give a ** about your imgainary shuttle when the box contains contents every one can use worth the value of the cost. Also, YOU CAN USE THE SHUTTLE ON YOUR EXISTING ACCOUNT. YOU CREATE AN ACCOUNT WITH THE GTC AND THEN YOU CONTRACT THE SHUTTLE TO YOURSELF. THEREFORE ANYONE WHO BUYS THE BOX CAN GET THE SHUTTLE. RIGHT. Technically yes, but this would require additional cost in terms of time and ISK. The box says it is Exclusive to the box, so the logical assumption would be you buy the box, you get the shuttle. So, in short, new players get the shuttle with no additional effort, existing players have to shell out time and ISK. Since we're arguing this fact, doesn't the fact that any player can buy or trade the shuttle mean that it's not Exclusive to the box at all? Originally by:** Akor Flandres Boo Hoo. You lost. Boy, how glad am I the entire world is run by you, and there aren't courts and watchdogs in existence who are much smarter whom we trust to come to fair decisions!
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Xenoxide Since we're arguing this fact, doesn't the fact that any player can buy or trade the shuttle mean that it's not Exclusive to the box at all? Big Macs are exclusive to McDonalds, does the fact I can buy one and give it to someone outside mean it's not exclusive to McDonalds at all?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:20:00 - [60] Akor Flandres said "But you are. Anyone who buys the box can access all of its content. Boo Hoo. You lost." But my current account cannot. The box didn't disclose my current account can only use half of the box contents. So that's false advertising. So why would I lose? Akor Flandres said ""You get a GTC inside worth the value of the box," So what? I bought the box because of the exclusive content. The extras which the box said I would get by not disclosing the fact it's a limited offer. The box is flat out not telling the truth. It said exclusive guide. When the guide is free for anyone to download even if they didn't buy the box. It says shuttle and war time access but again I cannot access those. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank



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