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 Harry Voyager    |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[31] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
 Harry Voyager |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[32] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
 Harry Voyager Obscurity LLC |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[33] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
 Kritkeen |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[34] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
 Kritkeen |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[35] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
 Kritkeen Gallente |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[36] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[37] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close...  <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
 Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[38] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close... <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
 Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[39] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close... --------- |
Kathira |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[40] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do nžt know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
 Kathira |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[41] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do nžt know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
 Kathira Gallente Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[42] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do n=t know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[43] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[44] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[45] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
 Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[46]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win  ------------------------------------------- |
 Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[47]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win ------------------------------------------- |
 Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[48]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[49] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler  cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
 Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[50] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[51] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
 Sun Sliver |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[52] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
 Sun Sliver |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[53] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
 Sun Sliver Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[54] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[55]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[56]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[57]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
WildHope |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[58] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations) |
WildHope |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[59] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations) |
 WildHope Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[60] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa |
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