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 Joke Off    |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 -
[1] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 -
[2] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 -
[3] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... |
 Liu Kaskakka |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:56:00 -
[4]
You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? |
 Liu Kaskakka |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:56:00 -
[5]
You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? |
 Liu Kaskakka PAK |
Posted - 2004.08.16 02:56:00 -
[6]
You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 -
[7]
Your point being ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 -
[8]
Your point being ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 -
[9]
Your point being ? |
 Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:11:00 -
[10] there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
 Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:11:00 -
[11] there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
 Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:11:00 -
[12] there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. --------- |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 -
[13]
Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 -
[14]
Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 -
[15]
Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx. |
 Golgrath |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:50:00 -
[16]
the cruisers would win. |
 Golgrath |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:50:00 -
[17]
the cruisers would win. |
 Golgrath Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:50:00 -
[18]
the cruisers would win. |
Cutter John |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:56:00 -
[19] are you serious with those setups? look over what you got there and think a bit about what you have. a multispectral shield hardener on an armor tank(multispecs blow btw. look at the cap use)? only medium armor repairers? energized regenerative plating? tracking comp AND enhancers? My Idea Thread Give Drones Love! |
 Cutter John |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:56:00 -
[20] are you serious with those setups? look over what you got there and think a bit about what you have. a multispectral shield hardener on an armor tank(multispecs blow btw. look at the cap use)? only medium armor repairers? energized regenerative plating? tracking comp AND enhancers? My Idea Thread Give Drones Love! |
 Cutter John TARDZ Gods of Night and Day |
Posted - 2004.08.16 03:56:00 -
[21] are you serious with those setups? look over what you got there and think a bit about what you have. a multispectral shield hardener on an armor tank(multispecs blow btw. look at the cap use)? only medium armor repairers? energized regenerative plating? tracking comp AND enhancers? |
 Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:01:00 -
[22] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS *should* own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:01:00 -
[23] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS *should* own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:01:00 -
[24] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS *should* own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. --------- |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 -
[25]
Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ? |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 -
[26]
Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 -
[27]
Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ? |
Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:43:00 -
[28] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:44:59 Mid slot hardeners are sheild hardeners, low slot activateable hardeners are armor hardeners. They give 50% resist to one dmg type (use enough to try and get all resists to 60% or higher). You may also want to look into dropping something for a nice named 1600mm plate. Adding an extra 2k armor is nver a bad thing. Plus i have a few for sale *cough* Since you're armor tanking the thron theres no point to even worry about the sheilds. Depending on how noobish the cruisers are you could prolly kill most before your sheilds even go down. Personally i'd concentrate on making a strong tank rather than a big damage dealer. This is for two reasons, 1) if the enemies spring a trap on you somehow (such as getting a decent bs to fight with them) you'll be prepared and 2) cruisers go down fairly fast. You can basically rely on the drones for your total offense if you felt like it.  *sigh* i've typed more here in like 5 minutes than i have on my homework in the last 3 hours <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:43:00 -
[29] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:44:59 Mid slot hardeners are sheild hardeners, low slot activateable hardeners are armor hardeners. They give 50% resist to one dmg type (use enough to try and get all resists to 60% or higher). You may also want to look into dropping something for a nice named 1600mm plate. Adding an extra 2k armor is nver a bad thing. Plus i have a few for sale *cough* Since you're armor tanking the thron theres no point to even worry about the sheilds. Depending on how noobish the cruisers are you could prolly kill most before your sheilds even go down. Personally i'd concentrate on making a strong tank rather than a big damage dealer. This is for two reasons, 1) if the enemies spring a trap on you somehow (such as getting a decent bs to fight with them) you'll be prepared and 2) cruisers go down fairly fast. You can basically rely on the drones for your total offense if you felt like it. *sigh* i've typed more here in like 5 minutes than i have on my homework in the last 3 hours <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.08.16 04:43:00 -
[30] Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:44:59 Mid slot hardeners are sheild hardeners, low slot activateable hardeners are armor hardeners. They give 50% resist to one dmg type (use enough to try and get all resists to 60% or higher). You may also want to look into dropping something for a nice named 1600mm plate. Adding an extra 2k armor is nver a bad thing. Plus i have a few for sale *cough* Since you're armor tanking the thron theres no point to even worry about the sheilds. Depending on how noobish the cruisers are you could prolly kill most before your sheilds even go down. Personally i'd concentrate on making a strong tank rather than a big damage dealer. This is for two reasons, 1) if the enemies spring a trap on you somehow (such as getting a decent bs to fight with them) you'll be prepared and 2) cruisers go down fairly fast. You can basically rely on the drones for your total offense if you felt like it. *sigh* i've typed more here in like 5 minutes than i have on my homework in the last 3 hours --------- |
Harry Voyager |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[31] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
Harry Voyager |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[32] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
 Harry Voyager Obscurity LLC |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:03:00 -
[33] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 16/08/2004 05:07:07 F.o.F missiles in Empire spaces is a good way to get a visit from Concord. Even in low security space, they are dangerous, as one may accidentially hit a gate, and trigger the gate-gank turrets on you. As toehrs have said, shield hardeners on an armour tank are, at best a waste of a medium slot, and at worst a liability. Multispectral hardeners in particulare spend tremendous amound of energy to keep running. For armour tanking, you best bet is to go with one or two named Large armour repairers, two or three armour hardeners, such as an Armour Explosive Hardener I, and Armour Kinetic Hardener I, and cram the rest of the ship with as many Capacitor power relays, and Cap Charger IIs as you can fit. With enough cap chargers you can even have a MWD without taking to large of a penalty to your armour tanking. Finally, if you are certain you will only be facing cruisers, and nothing larger, you may actually be better off fitting cruiser turrets to you battleships, instead of using battleship guns. While it may seem counter intuitive at first, with recent patch changes, it is quite hard to kill a cruiser with a battleship gun right now. If you won't be facing any other heavy ships, by fitting cruiser guns, you will have an optimal weapons platform for dispatching cruisers with, and the CPU and Grid you save can go into better armour tanking equipement. Harry Voyager Addendum: Forgot to mention, are you certain these are new players, and not an alt corp? If you are facing an alt corp, you would actually be best served by avoiding them at all costs. There are a myriad of ways for an experienced player to decimate battleships with merely frigates and a few weeks of training. From the ship loadouts you listed, you two clearly do not have the kind of real experience needed to survive taht, without taking catastrophic losses. |
Kritkeen |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[34] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
Kritkeen |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[35] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
 Kritkeen Gallente |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:06:00 -
[36] you'll have a better chance hitting the cruisers with blasters than rails switch the mega to a blaster setup with 2 webs, and maybe the dom with heavy nos's to take all their caps.........let the dom's drones eat, and just insta gank cruisers with your 7 blasters below 10k that's what i'd do, but then again, i suck :P -----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage. Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
 Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[37] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close...  <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[38] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close... <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!" |
Mimiru Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2004.08.16 05:22:00 -
[39] With a tracking comp II or two you should have no problem hitting cruisers with rails but if for some reason you do then switch. The only reason i'd stick with the rails is you avoid all the problems with having to get in really close. Which, namely, would be...getting in close... --------- |
Kathira |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[40] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do n¾t know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
Kathira |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[41] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do n¾t know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
 Kathira Gallente Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:12:00 -
[42] Thats one of the worst Dominix fittings I have ever seen. And I do n=t know much about a Megathron but the fitting sounds also ***. For what Opponents are these fittings ? To Fight BS in them the defense of both suck heavyly. To fight Cruisers the weapons are only marginal successful. To fight Frigates the only weapons are drones. To make PvP there is no scrabler ...... fittet. When you want to hunt as a team with this two BS you should define some roles for each of them. So when you want to fight BS spawns one of the ships should be the tank the other more the damagedealer. So when you want to fight in PvP one of them should be the scrambler .... the other the hard hitter ... The defense of both BS is so low that 2 well fittet Blasterax would be real dangerous for each of them. But the best would be do bring 2 BBs and 2 other Cruiser to kill their tracking and pod them. But you can use these fittings for L3 Missionpirates when you always stay in range. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[43] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[44] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 -
[45] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ? |
Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[46]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win  ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[47]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win ------------------------------------------- |
 Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:21:00 -
[48]
prolly to point out your idiotick questin... i wonder if adolf ******, mendelei and mussoliini whuld been putted in one room whit Lenin, Staalin and Breznev - who whuld win ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[49] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler  cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[50] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:23:00 -
[51] OMG !! they Censored Hi_tler cant believe this Bull p00 - its only a German last name FFS - not a swearing word or name of a demon ------------------------------------------- |
Sun Sliver |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[52] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
Sun Sliver |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[53] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
 Sun Sliver Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2004.08.16 06:49:00 -
[54] welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[55]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
 Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[56]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 -
[57]
You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx. |
WildHope |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[58] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations) |
WildHope |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[59] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations) |
 WildHope Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:28:00 -
[60] A very similar situation to this (ignoring proposed set-ups) happened to me a couple of months ago. Whilst on our way back through CFS space one our frigate pilots (Hyperbaton) found 10 cruisers sitting at a planet, a mixture of thoraxs, EW-blackbirds, and caracals (note this was when they could still carry cruise missiles). We engaged them (N.B they were unprepared for the fight) with a scorpion (Guderian???), my megathron, and 2-3 frigate (again with cruise missiles) pilots. With surprise as our main ally we attacked and destroyed all or nearly all of them, with no losses (although my mega was about 2 cruise missiles from destruction - initially the cruisers thought they'd taken me out). Now I'm not claiming we were elite, but the fact that we had surprise on our side and they were't organised had a big effect on the outcome. All the EW was aimed at me, and they never tried to jam the Scorpion. I'm certain if we'd attacked them and they'd had time to get better prepared/organised, the result would have been a complete reverse. So it can happen, but as everyone else has mentioned there are so many variables to take into account it's not a senario where you could guarentee the result. Wildhope ShinRa |
Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:36:00 -
[61] Mega: H: 6-7xrails (assume we are talking empire space here ?) 1-2x launcher/defenders or smartbombs (med) or nosfs. M: 3x cap rechargers, 1x web L: 2x RCU/PDU you need, 2 tracking enhancers, Large repairer+ 2 hardeners or T2 membranes. + Heavy drones, fast ones if possible Dom: H: Nosferatus M: 2x webber, 2x scrambler (short range), MWD. L: 2x Large repairer, 2x hardener (kin+expl), 1x kinetic membrane or a second kinetic hardener, cap relay. + mixture of heavy and medium drones with lotsa spares. Use heavy hitters. The mega stays at range and kills the cruisers the dom scrambles while the dom uses its nosfs and drones on the rest. You main risk is in ecm being used or the cruisers being far apart from eachother and using speed. You can bet the Dominix will be the one targetted by the enemy since it is weakest and you are putting it close in. That means you need to make sure you use those nosferatus well so it has enough cap to tank. The kinetic hardeners should help against the caracals and thoraxes tho. |
Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:36:00 -
[62] Mega: H: 6-7xrails (assume we are talking empire space here ?) 1-2x launcher/defenders or smartbombs (med) or nosfs. M: 3x cap rechargers, 1x web L: 2x RCU/PDU you need, 2 tracking enhancers, Large repairer+ 2 hardeners or T2 membranes. + Heavy drones, fast ones if possible Dom: H: Nosferatus M: 2x webber, 2x scrambler (short range), MWD. L: 2x Large repairer, 2x hardener (kin+expl), 1x kinetic membrane or a second kinetic hardener, cap relay. + mixture of heavy and medium drones with lotsa spares. Use heavy hitters. The mega stays at range and kills the cruisers the dom scrambles while the dom uses its nosfs and drones on the rest. You main risk is in ecm being used or the cruisers being far apart from eachother and using speed. You can bet the Dominix will be the one targetted by the enemy since it is weakest and you are putting it close in. That means you need to make sure you use those nosferatus well so it has enough cap to tank. The kinetic hardeners should help against the caracals and thoraxes tho. |
 Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:36:00 -
[63] Mega: H: 6-7xrails (assume we are talking empire space here ?) 1-2x launcher/defenders or smartbombs (med) or nosfs. M: 3x cap rechargers, 1x web L: 2x RCU/PDU you need, 2 tracking enhancers, Large repairer+ 2 hardeners or T2 membranes. + Heavy drones, fast ones if possible Dom: H: Nosferatus M: 2x webber, 2x scrambler (short range), MWD. L: 2x Large repairer, 2x hardener (kin+expl), 1x kinetic membrane or a second kinetic hardener, cap relay. + mixture of heavy and medium drones with lotsa spares. Use heavy hitters. The mega stays at range and kills the cruisers the dom scrambles while the dom uses its nosfs and drones on the rest. You main risk is in ecm being used or the cruisers being far apart from eachother and using speed. You can bet the Dominix will be the one targetted by the enemy since it is weakest and you are putting it close in. That means you need to make sure you use those nosferatus well so it has enough cap to tank. The kinetic hardeners should help against the caracals and thoraxes tho. |
 Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:40:00 -
[64] Oh, but if this is an altcorp of decent pvp'ers no matter what your setup is you will be toasted by a group of 6 or more cruisers. |
Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:40:00 -
[65] Oh, but if this is an altcorp of decent pvp'ers no matter what your setup is you will be toasted by a group of 6 or more cruisers. |
Thanit |
Posted - 2004.08.16 08:40:00 -
[66] Oh, but if this is an altcorp of decent pvp'ers no matter what your setup is you will be toasted by a group of 6 or more cruisers. |
Mid Slots |
Posted - 2004.08.16 09:18:00 -
[67]
If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. |
Mid Slots |
Posted - 2004.08.16 09:18:00 -
[68]
If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. |
 Mid Slots Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2004.08.16 09:18:00 -
[69]
If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 -
[70]
Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right). |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 -
[71]
Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right). |
Joke Off |
Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 -
[72]
Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right). |
DJTheBaron |
Posted - 2004.08.16 15:47:00 -
[73]
people can kill teir 2 battleships using their itnerceptor, alone, if the piliot is noob enough, so its not really a valid question i can takeout a frigate using an ibis __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum. |
DJTheBaron |
Posted - 2004.08.16 15:47:00 -
[74]
people can kill teir 2 battleships using their itnerceptor, alone, if the piliot is noob enough, so its not really a valid question i can takeout a frigate using an ibis __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum. |
 DJTheBaron Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2004.08.16 15:47:00 -
[75]
people can kill teir 2 battleships using their itnerceptor, alone, if the piliot is noob enough, so its not really a valid question i can takeout a frigate using an ibis ___________________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Those of My Corporation & Alliance. So Go **** Yourself" DJTheBaron: FATAL Alliance Diplomat |
 BigDaddyMcNugget |
Posted - 2007.07.27 07:22:00 -
[76] This is the fitting i put on my dominix. Compared with using a megathron, I was able to get alot better results with the dominix. (PvE setup) DOMI: High: 2x e500 large vamp 3x drone augmentors 1x small laser (for argoing groups) MED: 1x large cap booster (800's) 1x med cap booster (800's) OR Cap recharger II 2x Omni directional 1x 60% targeting range sensor booster LOW: 2x Large accomadation reps (or t2) 1x Damage control II 4x armor hardners based on rats DRONES: 10x Hobgoblin II 5x Warden I (for long ranges, saves time waitng for drones to reach target) 5x Hammerhead II 5x Ogre II |
 Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations |
Posted - 2007.07.27 07:26:00 -
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 Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department  |
Posted - 2007.07.27 07:31:00 -
[78] 2004 called and wanted it's thread back. |
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