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Shredder
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shredder on 16/08/2004 10:47:17
 Originally by: Sagainyte
Edited by: Sagainyte on 16/08/2004 08:08:10
All I'm saying is that this thread looks a little "Renegade" to me. I certainly see no offical marking by the main poster. I also doubt any leader of CFS would post logs on official forums. A diplomat might as well put a gun to his head.
It is perfectly understandable that the locals want to be rewarded for defending the station - I hear they owned a Shinra fleet down there 2-3 days ago. Was it 5 or 9 Shinra BS lost?
The best thing to do is to trust the leaders to come to a mutually beneficial and fair deal. That is afterall the good thing about the region. It's not populated by rabid shot'em all dogs like CA :p
WTF, shinra has lost a TOTAL of 3 battleships, each were indevidual losses due to mistakes and gankings by cfs and stain. Over the week that weve been here weve taken out SEVENTY, YES SEVENTY CFS//star alliance battleships, and if you dont believe that number go COUNT on the CA kill lists, theyre all there (thats not inccluding RUS kills). We have not lost a SINGLE battle againt you guys and have pretty much demolished any resistance weve come across. If youre under the illusion that either FA or CFS hold this space then you are very much mistaken, the only area held by CFS is TPAR, and that will change shortly. Please do not make up bull**** comments like 'you destroyed a shinra fleet'. oh and before i finished this there goes 3 more battleships, all logged go read.
We have made no threads about our operations in CFS space because we dont feel the need to brag about killing cfs noobs, but dont you come here talking rubbish about us being killed. #END RANT#   
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Shredder
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shredder on 16/08/2004 10:47:17
Originally by: Sagainyte
Edited by: Sagainyte on 16/08/2004 08:08:10
All I'm saying is that this thread looks a little "Renegade" to me. I certainly see no offical marking by the main poster. I also doubt any leader of CFS would post logs on official forums. A diplomat might as well put a gun to his head.
It is perfectly understandable that the locals want to be rewarded for defending the station - I hear they owned a Shinra fleet down there 2-3 days ago. Was it 5 or 9 Shinra BS lost?
The best thing to do is to trust the leaders to come to a mutually beneficial and fair deal. That is afterall the good thing about the region. It's not populated by rabid shot'em all dogs like CA :p
WTF, shinra has lost a TOTAL of 3 battleships, each were indevidual losses due to mistakes and gankings by cfs and stain. Over the week that weve been here weve taken out SEVENTY, YES SEVENTY CFS//star alliance battleships, and if you dont believe that number go COUNT on the CA kill lists, theyre all there (thats not inccluding RUS kills). We have not lost a SINGLE battle againt you guys and have pretty much demolished any resistance weve come across. If youre under the illusion that either FA or CFS hold this space then you are very much mistaken, the only area held by CFS is TPAR, and that will change shortly. Please do not make up bull**** comments like 'you destroyed a shinra fleet'. oh and before i finished this there goes 3 more battleships, all logged go read.
We have made no threads about our operations in CFS space because we dont feel the need to brag about killing cfs noobs, but dont you come here talking rubbish about us being killed. #END RANT#
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:53:08
Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:49:56
Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:47:14
ShinRa has not lost 9 BS. 3 bs from 8 aug -16 aug, Thats the time we have been in Delve and TPAR. So far the bs kill ratio is about 1:60. We have been doing a really good job around CFS space no daoubt about that.
In TPAR we fought 8 vs 13, we where out numbered and took out 9 of the 13, 8 bs and 1 frig, no losses.
So far we got like 500 m. worth in loot in a very good safespot;) Treasure Island man! or is it Treasure Planet....
ShinRa would like to say thx for all the nice stuff!
All your Delve base are belong to us -HyperBaton, ShinRa
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:53:08
Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:49:56
Edited by: DeMundus on 16/08/2004 10:47:14
ShinRa has not lost 9 BS. 3 bs from 8 aug -16 aug, Thats the time we have been in Delve and TPAR. So far the bs kill ratio is about 1:60. We have been doing a really good job around CFS space no daoubt about that.
In TPAR we fought 8 vs 13, we where out numbered and took out 9 of the 13, 8 bs and 1 frig, no losses.
So far we got like 500 m. worth in loot in a very good safespot;) Treasure Island man! or is it Treasure Planet....
ShinRa would like to say thx for all the nice stuff!
All your Delve base are belong to us -HyperBaton, ShinRa
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:49:00 -
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Official CFS statement not open to discussion on this matter: Said pilots attacking T-PAR station are doing so without the permission from CFS-Senate or CFS-Council.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:49:00 -
[66]
Official CFS statement not open to discussion on this matter: Said pilots attacking T-PAR station are doing so without the permission from CFS-Senate or CFS-Council.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:55:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Raindrop
Official CFS statement not open to discussion on this matter: Said pilots attacking T-PAR station are doing so without the permission from CFS-Senate or CFS-Council.
As i said, n-o-t--w-i-l-l-i-n-g--t-o--d-o--w-h-a-t--i-s--r-e-a-l-l-y--n-e-e-d-e-d
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Raindrop
Official CFS statement not open to discussion on this matter: Said pilots attacking T-PAR station are doing so without the permission from CFS-Senate or CFS-Council.
As i said, n-o-t--w-i-l-l-i-n-g--t-o--d-o--w-h-a-t--i-s--r-e-a-l-l-y--n-e-e-d-e-d
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Mituno Sakai
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:59:00 -
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It now seems obvious that this incident was carried out by CA alts.
..and they tried their best to keep the discussion alive on this thread. But all the arguments kinda lose their bite when you know it's CA people posting.
I must admit it's nice to see CA finally realising there is more to this game than just trying to blow everyone up they meet :)
Perhaps there is hope for you yet post shiva.
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Mituno Sakai
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Posted - 2004.08.16 10:59:00 -
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It now seems obvious that this incident was carried out by CA alts.
..and they tried their best to keep the discussion alive on this thread. But all the arguments kinda lose their bite when you know it's CA people posting.
I must admit it's nice to see CA finally realising there is more to this game than just trying to blow everyone up they meet :)
Perhaps there is hope for you yet post shiva.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:01:00 -
[73]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
I dont think you get the bigger picture. If CFS napped themselves with Curse it would probably be pretty much the last thing they ever did.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
I dont think you get the bigger picture. If CFS napped themselves with Curse it would probably be pretty much the last thing they ever did.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
Why do you think the CFS are like the Dodo's of Eve
they make themselves Extinct by being stubbourn and not actually possess the skill to be stubbourn.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:01:00 -
[76]
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
Why do you think the CFS are like the Dodo's of Eve
they make themselves Extinct by being stubbourn and not actually possess the skill to be stubbourn.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:04:00 -
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Bah just take the stations and see what happens.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:04:00 -
[78]
Bah just take the stations and see what happens.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:04:00 -
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no none of them r alts.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:04:00 -
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no none of them r alts.
My vids and random stuff |
AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:05:00 -
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Helloooooooooooooooooooo ?? Have you even ever been in CFS space ? Did you ever get involved with CFS politics ? I DONT THINK SO !!
CA took all the stations [cept all BA ones] so CFS can take em back withouth policital repercussions. THEY EVEN OFFERED IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD !
So who isnt seeing the bigger picture.
Even though its only to hurt FA, but it as well helps CFS, so why not benefit of the situation as everyone would !
Pride is such a harsh thing. it'nt it ?
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:05:00 -
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Helloooooooooooooooooooo ?? Have you even ever been in CFS space ? Did you ever get involved with CFS politics ? I DONT THINK SO !!
CA took all the stations [cept all BA ones] so CFS can take em back withouth policital repercussions. THEY EVEN OFFERED IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD !
So who isnt seeing the bigger picture.
Even though its only to hurt FA, but it as well helps CFS, so why not benefit of the situation as everyone would !
Pride is such a harsh thing. it'nt it ?
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: CKOZUK
Bah just take the stations and see what happens.
Yeh, CFS is dead anyway if they don't change fast [/doomthink]
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: CKOZUK
Bah just take the stations and see what happens.
Yeh, CFS is dead anyway if they don't change fast [/doomthink]
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Kate Libby
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
unfortunally would such nap not be accepted by many of the non-cfs corperations that are operating in cfs space, and those are in greater numbers then cfs is so it wouldn't help CA at all they will still get shot all over the place  . aswell are there most likely several points in the CFS chapters that would make this impossible.
and well the stations, my opinion is that if u want to conquer and keep a station that u should have enough militairy (be it your own or combined with allies that support u and that can use the station free of any charge).
if u need to allie up with ca to keep the stations u should go back to empire.
And the station holder (in this case FA) should make sure that the people (be it cfs or from another allience or just local people.) that are Defending the station every day are getting everything they deserve, wich is no docking fees no refining fees, or just anything that cost them isk should be reduced to zero asfar possible, THAT speaks of respect for a job well done. And that is what i can't find back at FA's stations management. they are always busy somewhere else if there's need to protect the stations, and sure they are doing their job fighting ca aswell but simply letting other people defend your property with nothing to very little in return will cause troubles for sure, let alone the headaches it causes 
Just checking my sexy tools...
ASCI - Neutralized Ships
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Kate Libby
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Vapouriz3r
Edited by: Vapouriz3r on 16/08/2004 10:28:54
Now if I was CFS I would do 2 things.
First of all take all the FA controlled stations back FA can't send a force down as they are to busy playing blob wars with CA. So for as long as CA out in Fountain you guys won't see an FA fleet. Hell in the first chat log the BIG guy admitted that fact that FA are busy.
Secondly I'd get someone to talk with CA and see if you guys can create a NAP based on they help you out if FA attack your stations and won't attack CFS as long as the stations are in CFS control.
unfortunally would such nap not be accepted by many of the non-cfs corperations that are operating in cfs space, and those are in greater numbers then cfs is so it wouldn't help CA at all they will still get shot all over the place . aswell are there most likely several points in the CFS chapters that would make this impossible.
and well the stations, my opinion is that if u want to conquer and keep a station that u should have enough militairy (be it your own or combined with allies that support u and that can use the station free of any charge).
if u need to allie up with ca to keep the stations u should go back to empire.
And the station holder (in this case FA) should make sure that the people (be it cfs or from another allience or just local people.) that are Defending the station every day are getting everything they deserve, wich is no docking fees no refining fees, or just anything that cost them isk should be reduced to zero asfar possible, THAT speaks of respect for a job well done. And that is what i can't find back at FA's stations management. they are always busy somewhere else if there's need to protect the stations, and sure they are doing their job fighting ca aswell but simply letting other people defend your property with nothing to very little in return will cause troubles for sure, let alone the headaches it causes
Just checking my sexy tools...
ASCI - Neutralized Ships
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Shredder
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shredder on 16/08/2004 11:19:21
I'd just like to add a few points which Shinra has learnt whilst being in CFS space regarding FA's station control. Firstly most stations in the area are run with a 5% refine tax. Secondly most stations run a docking fee. Thirdly ive been told by a couple of corporations that they paid 120million to BIG to rent offices in stations (this may apply to all corporations that rent offices there i dont know). All of this in their own space?
Ive also been told that this is in return for FA's protection, well to be honest i havnt seen any FA protecting you. We've been here a week, and we have seen like one battleship from FA, oh except for that dsma 10 battleship force which we came across (allies of FA) ...we destroyed 8 of those battleships in a single engagement. Prior to the bulk of our hostilities in the area we were running several cease fire//NAP agreements till the CFS council and CA councils were able to look at posibilities of more long term NAPS, that never got to the CA council as CFS//Star alliance decided to declare war on us.
CFS sit in their own space paying bucket loads of cash a day to FA, FA dont do anything to earn it, and it isnt their space. Wheen over the past 6months has FA EVER defended A2? ive never seen them, ive only seen CFDF pilots, why is CFS defending its own space whilst paying for FA defence. Its a ridiculas situation. 
Regarding the point made above about non CFS aligned corporations etc: we've been in contact with many of those corporations and are running NAPS//cease fires with them, some are moving to empire space till conflicts are over, and most agree with us, i also think they're pretty annoyed at CFSs' stance on the whole thing.
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Shredder
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shredder on 16/08/2004 11:19:21
I'd just like to add a few points which Shinra has learnt whilst being in CFS space regarding FA's station control. Firstly most stations in the area are run with a 5% refine tax. Secondly most stations run a docking fee. Thirdly ive been told by a couple of corporations that they paid 120million to BIG to rent offices in stations (this may apply to all corporations that rent offices there i dont know). All of this in their own space?
Ive also been told that this is in return for FA's protection, well to be honest i havnt seen any FA protecting you. We've been here a week, and we have seen like one battleship from FA, oh except for that dsma 10 battleship force which we came across (allies of FA) ...we destroyed 8 of those battleships in a single engagement. Prior to the bulk of our hostilities in the area we were running several cease fire//NAP agreements till the CFS council and CA councils were able to look at posibilities of more long term NAPS, that never got to the CA council as CFS//Star alliance decided to declare war on us.
CFS sit in their own space paying bucket loads of cash a day to FA, FA dont do anything to earn it, and it isnt their space. Wheen over the past 6months has FA EVER defended A2? ive never seen them, ive only seen CFDF pilots, why is CFS defending its own space whilst paying for FA defence. Its a ridiculas situation.
Regarding the point made above about non CFS aligned corporations etc: we've been in contact with many of those corporations and are running NAPS//cease fires with them, some are moving to empire space till conflicts are over, and most agree with us, i also think they're pretty annoyed at CFSs' stance on the whole thing.
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Vapouriz3r
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:17:00 -
[89]
Originally by: AvanCade
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
No not all CA are pirates. As has probably been said many a time the only reason CA go to CFS is when they are bored and the only issue CA have with CFS now is the fact that the stations are controlled by FA.
So with CFS letting FA keep the stations and not attempting talks with CA they are loosing 60+ BS a week to CA AND they don't even get help from FA. When was the last time FA sent down a fleet to help CFS when a2- and the chain was camped? Or when Delve and period basis were under assault.
FA charge a % on your refines they charge you docking fees BUT they don't offer anything in return apart from letting you use the stations.
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Vapouriz3r
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Posted - 2004.08.16 11:17:00 -
[90]
Originally by: AvanCade
Exactly, but CFS (read King Raindrop) does not want a NAP with CA. And thats the whole friggin point ! Yes, CFS is anti-pirate, but not all CA are pirates, right ? Then use the common interest that CFS and CA has ! For gods sake ! But King Raindrop doesnt want that. CFSDF (the militairy force) arranged some kinda NAP with Shinra, but CFS immeadiatly responded by putting CFSDF on the KOS list because they 'cooperated' with Shinra. Is CFS so stubborn so that they cant see the bigger picture? YES !
No not all CA are pirates. As has probably been said many a time the only reason CA go to CFS is when they are bored and the only issue CA have with CFS now is the fact that the stations are controlled by FA.
So with CFS letting FA keep the stations and not attempting talks with CA they are loosing 60+ BS a week to CA AND they don't even get help from FA. When was the last time FA sent down a fleet to help CFS when a2- and the chain was camped? Or when Delve and period basis were under assault.
FA charge a % on your refines they charge you docking fees BUT they don't offer anything in return apart from letting you use the stations.
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