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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 14:43:13
Originally by: Sjobba
#2: They didn't actually "remove" the classic client, they just stopped supporting it. Which is what happens to all old software eventually. Especially when newer versions are made.
It amazes me how many people actually believe this crap.. Hold old is EvE again? .. They didnt want to spend the money on the classic client, like they dont have enough money...
I can think of loads of program twice as old as EvE which is still supported by the company and others..
Face it.. CCP thought this was an easy way out.. it wasn't.. they lost hundreds, if not thousands of players to this crap marketing scheme.
Classic client is lost forever and so are many players because of it..
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
Originally by: Grez Pre SM2.0 cards are eight years old.
Kinda says how behind the curve you are.
Not to mention there have been roughly 500-1000 people (if that even) complaining about classic. Hell, eve the petition thread only had an average of TWO posts per page going FOR the petition - the rest were against it.
I'm afraid you're in an extreme, extreme minority here.
Before all the flames I am in the process of updating my video card so as to continue playing with the crappy eve premium lite.
I disagree with your statement above because of the sheer fact that with the player base that EvE has how many replies did the thread actually get? 500-1000 out of what 50k-100k so you looking at 1% of the player base. Not an accurate representation of the players.
Of the people who generally post on the forums of the 1% it's mostly those that already have $2-5k systems so what do they care get rid of it. but guess what not everyone can afford to go out every 3-6 months and buy a new system. Also i disagree with you my current card which has last me over 2 years now radeon 9250 was released in the summer of 2004 so less than 5 years ago and it's not capable of playing eve without the work around posted in the other thread.
Now i know i'm not able to play some of the newer games but they haven't released a game i've wanted to play in a long time. so I am of the mind "If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it."
I'm sorry but the 9250 was a budget card the minute it rolled out of the factory, if you paid more than $20-30 you got ripped off. It was designed as a low end card from the beginning and if I recall correctly was actually a dx8 part while the 9550 and up were all dx9 parts.
Most people don't upgrade their computer every 3-6 months unless they are rich and like throwing money away. But it's reasonable to assume that most people will update their systems at least every 5 years, especially if you plan to be gaming on it. My first comp cost me around $3000, I used almost all the money I made on my first summer job to pay for it but it lasted me 5 years before I had to upgrade it, my second system cost me $2000 and lasted the same time. My current system cost me around $1000 and I expect it will last about the same time. The point is spending less than $1000 every 5 YEARS is not that significant of a cost to support a gaming hobby.
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Minerva IV
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret with the if it ain't broke don't fix it statement I was referring to my PC. Everything still works so why change/upgrade/replace it? As i've stated yes I know i'm not able to play some of the newer games and I accept that.
As to what I consider an accurate representation of the population would be 10% of the player base which if you consider the fact that there is actually closer to what 250k acounts last I checked i'm only going to use the 50k-100k which I previously used. 10% of that would be 5k-10k responses or polling answers.
Do I agree that Eve needed to updated? yes and no.
Yes because it can not remain stagnant or people will leave and the game with fail.
No because this is the worst time economy wise to force people to upgrade their computers if they want to continue to play the game. I had to look and see what I could give up in order to upgrade my computer enough to continue to play eve. Needless to say there wasn't much that I could and still survive.
As to the statement of the bulk of the posters here already have high end computers that is based on their comments which lead me to believe a) they had a silver spoon shoved up their asses as birth and their parents gave them anything they wanted, or b) they still live in their momma's basement and have nothing better to do.
Seriosally what gfx card you running, im running a 6600gt and it runs full premium fine. You did try turning all the options down right?
As for the why fix it if it isnt broken statement your pc may not be broken as such but its out of date get over it and upgrade or stop moaning and no i neither live with my mother nor was i born with a silver spoon in my mouth, honestly you could upgrade your gfx card to one with s2.0 for a very little amount of money if your that broke that you cant afford that then maybe you should think about the fact you spend 15 euros a month on a game.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 15/03/2009 14:47:26 almost every mmo released in the last 2 years has SM2.0 as a MINIMUM. Which means that CCP is a year or more behind everyone else.
If you use a computer, and you don't upgrade your graphics card at LEAST once every 3 years, then you DESERVE to be left behind. It shows that you don't take performance and quality seriously. Go play on a console. Then you can let your hardware lag behind.. OH WAIT.. Even consoles upgrade every 5 years or so.
The whole SM2.0 topic was discussed to death on the forums. If you didn't participate in that discussion, that's your own fault.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:47:00 -
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Look at it this way:
If this was EVE Part 12, sold in a box, where 11 previous sold sequels to original EVE had become more "machine dependent", noone would sya a word.
It's a fact of gaming, that if you're not playing on a console, games take more space and computer power year after year.
The other way to see this is that EVE just became EVE 2, just like EQ became EQ 2 and the EVE 1 servers just got closed.
MMOs are closed all the time, this time CCP simply moved the playerbase to the new game free of charge
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret tippia i stated the bulk of the posters does not equal the bulk of the players as we've seen
How have we seen it? You stating it is not proof. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:48:00 -
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I got this computer off a friend for ú50 last week and it runs Premium... ________________________________________________
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
It amazes me how many people actually believe this crap.. Hold old is EvE again? .. They didnt want to spend the money on the classic client, like they dont have enough money...
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
Money. Maybe they do maybe they don't. The main thing was that it cost them too much time bug hunting and the classic and the premium client. It also cost them too much time on models for classic and premium. Time better spent on 1 client, not two.
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I can think of loads of program twice as old as EvE which is still supported by the company and others..
And I can think of loads of programs that no longer work or are just outdated and no longer supported.
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Face it.. CCP thought this was an easy way out.. it wasn't.. they lost hundreds, if not thousands of players to this crap marketing scheme.
Have you looked at the server stats from yesterday evening? Near 48.000! Must be the 100 people with alt chars left over... And if we look at the amount of forum carnage that went on after the removal of ghost training, the current whinage over the new client just pales away in comparison.
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Classic client is lost forever and so are some players because of it..
Fixed that for you.
Wish people stopped crying a river over a game because their hardware is hopelessly out of date. Gimme a break. If it was something your life would depent on it, ok. But this....
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile Wish people stopped crying a river over a game because their hardware is hopelessly out of date. Gimme a break. If it was something your life would depent on it, ok. But this....
I guess you are a solo player in EvE.
MMORPG today means more that be "a game". It means social connections, sometimes IRL conventions (fanfest, irl corp bbq), etc...
It is not something that the life would depent on it, but it is more than a game.
The most annoying thing is not that CCP want update their minimum requirement. It is the fact that they say this only two months before the patch. For players who have some problems with money, it is a too early ETA to be able to equip in time. That means frustration...
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Discrodia
Gallente Independent Miners Guild
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:56:00 -
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So wait... people are complaining because EVE looks better... and I thought I'd seen true idiocy long ago... ______________________________________________
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia So wait... people are complaining because EVE looks better... and I thought I'd seen true idiocy long ago...
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:02:25
Originally by: Serpents smile
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
How old is FFXI? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software and new expansions are still coming.) How old is WoW? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software.) How old are countless other mmo's..
I could go on and on and on and on....
You are completely wrong and mistaken..
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
Don't pull random percentages out of your alt ass!
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon 1. maybe we should go back to vector graphics and dispense with all this lovely universe we play in
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eve 4 gameboy nao!
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Minerva IV
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:02:25
Originally by: Serpents smile
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
How old is WoW? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software.)
WoW is a lot newer than eve no where neer 6 years old (4 1/2 in fact) and tecnically its WoW 3 now as there have been two expansions and wow sytem req's go up with every expantion, oh and if we had gfx like wow around here space would look like it had been painted by a 3 year old!
6 Years ago when eve released the gfx were top notch, tbh i wold rather have to upgrade my gfx card to run eve looking pretty than cope with poor gfx like WoW, at least ccp dont charge for their expansions which you have to buy to continue the game.
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:30:26
Originally by: Minerva IV
WoW is a lot newer than eve
oh god... now people cant even count..
WoW: The game was released on November 23, 2004 EvE: First released in North America and Europe in May 2003
What do you consider 'a lot newer' ..
come on people.. think before posting.. and learn to count..
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Minerva IV
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:30:26
Originally by: Minerva IV
WoW is a lot newer than eve
oh god... now people cant even count..
WoW: The game was released on November 23, 2004 EvE: First released in North America and Europe in May 2003
What do you consider 'a lot newer' ..
come on people.. think before posting.. and learn to count..
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erm i can cont.....
Wow released nov 2004 (nov 2004 - now (march 2009) 4 years 4 months ago) Eve released May 2003 (May 2003 - now (march 2009) 5 years 10 months ago)
Thats a differance of 1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:52:00 -
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if you cant run premium it's time to buy a pc made this decade, i run premium on a pc that cost 400 bucks
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XwRExile
Minmatar The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:52:00 -
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both subscriptions cancelled! well done ccp ill be back with a better comp
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:01:24
Originally by: Minerva IV 1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
World of computers? lol.. I feel like your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing..
Main issue still exists.. CCP did NOT need to remove their classic client because of 'age'.
Period...
(Give me the EvE Classic Source code.. I know companies and people that would still support it for many more years to come.)
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Minerva IV
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:01:24
Originally by: Minerva IV 1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
World of computers? lol.. I feel like your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing..
Main issue still exists.. CCP did NOT need to remove their classic client because of 'age'.
Period...
(Give me the EvE Classic Source code.. I know companies and people that would still support it for many more years to come.)
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No your right they did not need to remove it because of age (i never argued they did), i was more pointing out your flawed argument about WoW and that the system requirements for eve are not high by any stretch of the imagination.
They stopped suporting the clasic client so they only have to keep one client upto date, sorry but to me that makes a lot of sence.
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:23:10
Originally by: Minerva IV
They stopped suporting the clasic client so they only have to keep one client upto date, sorry but to me that makes a lot of sence.
Your right about them wanting to focus on one client instead of two. However, CCP is a big enough company to have a team devoted solely on Classic Client and its 'needs'.
Now having said that..
I still feel like CCP is trying to take the 'easy way out' and trying to force people to upgrade hardware when in the first place, it was NEVER NEEDED.
It makes me laugh when CCP denies people of playing their game for the sheer fact that THEY feel the game needs to look better..
Here's a suggestion CCP: Ask your players, rather than your employees, if they would be able to play EvE with these 'upgraded graphics'. It was clear to me, leading up the the release of the expansion, that many people were going to have problems with the new graphics. Obviously it wasn't part of the grand scheme to make sure all/most laptop users would be able to continue to play EvE.
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EvenFlo
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58 The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
STFU noob
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:42:00 -
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they removed the classic client because it was draining the art depatment having to do everything twice
they did like announce this 3 months ago but hey
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:47:00 -
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also now you alt whiney babies are still crying about the game and why you cant play it least that clear the in game for actual people worthy of playing the game
please cancel you subscriptions so wthen we dont have to listen to your whiney 10 year old machines trying to load up your operating system just to post on a forum why you dont think it fair, if CCP was in trouble of loosing 250k subscribers why would 49k people be logged in right now playing absolutly fine
please go play with the wow kiddies next door you mentality it mush more suited to them
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin I got this computer off a friend for ú50 last week and it runs Premium...
Fell off the back of a truck?
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Astral Order
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:52:00 -
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Dude, is your PC steam-powered or something? You might just need to get the miners to get you more coal, and a faster fireman.
I think that will fix your problem.
But seriously - a GeForce 6 or 7 series can run full premium with absolute ease. Hell, a 9 series isn't too expensive either since they brought out the GTX285s and 295s, so why not just get one?
I dunno, cheap bastards . . . -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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V1RU5 GREY
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58 The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
BRAVO!!
All you tools out there flaming this post and the OP don't seem to understand. Stroking CCP will get you nowhere...yelling at them probably will. Some of you act as if CCP where your mother. Hell, I know for some of you would would love to have CCP's baby, but let's get real. This is a game, CCP is a business and we are the customers.
If we are to continue to pay CCP for their product, then it better be damn good. Unfortunately some of you are so hooked, that if CCP did revert to vector graphics you would still play eve.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: V1RU5 GREY
BRAVO!!
All you tools out there flaming this post and the OP don't seem to understand. Stroking CCP will get you nowhere...yelling at them probably will. Some of you act as if CCP where your mother. Hell, I know for some of you would would love to have CCP's baby, but let's get real. This is a game, CCP is a business and we are the customers.
If we are to continue to pay CCP for their product, then it better be damn good. Unfortunately some of you are so hooked, that if CCP did revert to vector graphics you would still play eve.
Cognitive dissonance much?
OP is whining about removing the classic client, then you support him/she/it by claiming some are so addicted that they would play eve with vector graphics.
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Runs fine on MY C64
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