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Faith O'Siras
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Posted - 2009.03.15 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58
The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY. 
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Kora Zilesti
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Posted - 2009.03.15 08:56:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Wait...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 08:58:00 -
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#1 is not an opinion, but an ill-informed supposition.
#2 makes no sense.
#3 blame Atari.
#4 is most likely already built into the client.
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Sjobba
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:17:00 -
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#1: It's the 21'st century already... join us, why don't you?
#2: They didn't actually "remove" the classic client, they just stopped supporting it. Which is what happens to all old software eventually. Especially when newer versions are made.
And the new client is not "sub-par". It's just new and relatively untested. Once they streamline the bugs out it will far surpass it's predecessor.
#3: EVE is MASSIVE, and there is no way to determine the effects 40k+ users will have on such a huge piece of software/hardware combo, until they are actually online.
It's actually pretty amazing how well the servers did hold up (yes, even with the lag), considering the size of this patch.
They are working 24/7 on fixing the bugs they have discovered since it launched. Give it a few days.
#4: The typical user has no clue whatsoever about what is best for them, or what the effects these sort of changes have. Just the fact that so many people are here whining about the old client shows us that much.
Best to leave these sort of decisions up to the professionals, or EVE would have died a long time ago.
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Futuristic Eagle
League of Gentlemen
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:18:00 -
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Personally, Id like a basic as eve client that only allows basic functions, such as skill training and chat. This way, your computer doesnt like premium or just kills itself, you can inform your corp mates and keep those skillpoints rolling.
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:33:00 -
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1. maybe we should go back to vector graphics and dispense with all this lovely universe we play in
2. Premium lite once bugs sorted and people know HOW to set there lite up will be vastly superior to classic in every way shape and form.
3. Like someone said, a couple of thousand people in SiSi is nothing like releasing the expansion on TQ where at most times 37k+ are playing.
4. Why poll, why keep an outdated client? It's not like it's just ccp is it a lot of games that I owned on xp don't run on vista, it's just the nature of the beast, if you don't like to update stuff on your pc to keep running the newest games then I suggest you go buy an xbox360 - or better yet as you don't like to be in touch with the 21st century, i suggest a NES!
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Nigel Sheldon on 15/03/2009 09:34:10
Edited by: Nigel Sheldon on 15/03/2009 09:33:53
double post somehow
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Sirani
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:35:00 -
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I long for the day when I can come to the forum and there isn't some hobo whining that his Commodore 64 can't run EVE anymore
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
Yelled at? Fired? You have no idea of procedures at CCP...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:40:00 -
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Pre SM2.0 cards are eight years old.
Kinda says how behind the curve you are.
Not to mention there have been roughly 500-1000 people (if that even) complaining about classic. Hell, eve the petition thread only had an average of TWO posts per page going FOR the petition - the rest were against it.
I'm afraid you're in an extreme, extreme minority here.
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eliminator2
Gallente
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:40:00 -
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1. its simply how CCP have gotten idea's from people and implemented them into the expansion and they added new things to make the game more fun for 90% of the players the rest of the 10% are moaners/trollers/kids
2. classic was a good client but why should they keep a second client when they can put 1 client and use the other server that was used for classic to good use etc less lag or implementing that server to a system/server that needs help to handle the fights
3. they did get rid of major bugs imho did you ever bother checking SISI out it was full of bugs every thing you clicked was a bug and now well its not even bugged compared to SISI was so congratz to CCP on that
4. a poll would be a good idea but there would still be how you say "20%" of players actually taking the poll and for the customer's to be able to make there own oppinions is way better than a simple poll because most people feel as though CCP want's to hear your sepereta idea's instead of been given a set of idea's
and your angry rant failed because you don't see logic behind what CCP does you jump to conclusion
btw
CAN I HAVES YOUR STUFF?
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R4d1o4ct1v3
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.15 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
2. classic was a good client but why should they keep a second client when they can put 1 client and use the other server that was used for classic to good use etc less lag or implementing that server to a system/server that needs help to handle the fights
While I agree with your post, I though I would just point out...
Both the "classic" client and the new "premium" client used the same servers, so letting go of the "classic" client has no effect on servers as such.
It's purely a "client-side", cosmetic, change.
Kind of like the difference between two internet browsers.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.15 11:08:00 -
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#1: What?! You don't want CCP to update their game graphics? Are you out of your mind? If the game wasn't continuously updated it would become outdated and people would leave in favour of new shiny games with fresh content/graphics. I think CCP's approach is fricking brilliant, continuously updating their game without rendering the old content obsolete. Instead of having to release EVE 2 in 2006 and EVE 3 in 2009 having to make completely new games everytime.
#2: Classic client was redundant and outdated, update your hardware man. Others have already proven how cheap it is to update to something that will run EVE just fine.
#3: You know nothing about the complexity of such an undertaking, do you? It has been just 4-5 days since the expansion went live and the server is already running as smoothly as ever for most people, with only few very minor problems. An amazing feet, I assure you!
#4: See #2.
fake edit: oh I almost forgot... buy bye.
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Alva Noto
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sirani
I long for the day when I can come to the forum and there isn't some hobo whining that his Commodore 64 can't run EVE anymore
HEY!?!? I ****ing can't run **** on my c64 anymore!?!?! 
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Miniturret
Amarr
Mining Under the influence of Sugar Pals
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Posted - 2009.03.15 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Pre SM2.0 cards are eight years old.
Kinda says how behind the curve you are.
Not to mention there have been roughly 500-1000 people (if that even) complaining about classic. Hell, eve the petition thread only had an average of TWO posts per page going FOR the petition - the rest were against it.
I'm afraid you're in an extreme, extreme minority here.
Before all the flames I am in the process of updating my video card so as to continue playing with the crappy eve premium lite.
I disagree with your statement above because of the sheer fact that with the player base that EvE has how many replies did the thread actually get? 500-1000 out of what 50k-100k so you looking at 1% of the player base. Not an accurate representation of the players.
Of the people who generally post on the forums of the 1% it's mostly those that already have $2-5k systems so what do they care get rid of it. but guess what not everyone can afford to go out every 3-6 months and buy a new system. Also i disagree with you my current card which has last me over 2 years now radeon 9250 was released in the summer of 2004 so less than 5 years ago and it's not capable of playing eve without the work around posted in the other thread.
Now i know i'm not able to play some of the newer games but they haven't released a game i've wanted to play in a long time. so I am of the mind "If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it."
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D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.03.15 12:17:00 -
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Dear whiney whiney bear,
I run eve on a single core 2.8ghz with a radeon 9550,the pc is 4 years old. premium lite is sexy and uses jack shiit ram compared to before.I Used to run classic,and tbh,premo lite runs FAR FAR BETTER. Therefore, i feel obliged to tell you ,that you are a focktard with no clue.STOP LIVING IN THE 90's AND BUY A REAL PC FFS!!!!
go DIAF
D4rk.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 12:29:00 -
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dear forum nubbin op
it has come to my attention you expressing you veiw on things what are way above you head and obvisouly you cant fathom.
please leave these forums quietly or i will be forced to DESTROY all your posts will MY flaming (last night anyone )
please tell me the game you have made so we can of course compare comparisons between yours game and CCP game on how you run your game and vice a versa.
also premiun lite is the premium client and also if only 10% if that visit these forums then there is only 10% or less that are having porblems using there old client because i dont see 300 thousand people crying on the forums about there client functionality.
next time you decide to make a poast please feed you fingers to your nearest amarian overlord so that you cant write such crap as this as clearly you are a a$$hat
this has been you warning for future flaming revelence and i suggest you take it
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.15 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58
The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
Nobody was forced out of the game they all had plenty of time to update there 18th century graphics cards.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58
The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
Nobody was forced out of the game they all had plenty of time to update there 18th century graphics cards.
17th you forgot to carry the 1 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
500-1000 out of what 50k-100k so you looking at 1% of the player base. Not an accurate representation of the players.
Why is it not an accurate representation?
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Of the people who generally post on the forums of the 1% it's mostly those that already have $2-5k systems so what do they care get rid of it.
What is your basis for this assertion?
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I am of the mind "If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it."
Does "needlessly tying up half of the content development resources" count as "broke[n]"?
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.15 13:46:00 -
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I'm a forum whor3. Not a True Nerd. There's a big difference.
Terianna Eri > :( i wish i were as good a forum ***** as karrade
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Miniturret
Amarr
Mining Under the influence of Sugar Pals
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:10:00 -
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with the if it ain't broke don't fix it statement I was referring to my PC. Everything still works so why change/upgrade/replace it? As i've stated yes I know i'm not able to play some of the newer games and I accept that.
As to what I consider an accurate representation of the population would be 10% of the player base which if you consider the fact that there is actually closer to what 250k acounts last I checked i'm only going to use the 50k-100k which I previously used. 10% of that would be 5k-10k responses or polling answers.
Do I agree that Eve needed to updated? yes and no.
Yes because it can not remain stagnant or people will leave and the game with fail.
No because this is the worst time economy wise to force people to upgrade their computers if they want to continue to play the game. I had to look and see what I could give up in order to upgrade my computer enough to continue to play eve. Needless to say there wasn't much that I could and still survive.
As to the statement of the bulk of the posters here already have high end computers that is based on their comments which lead me to believe a) they had a silver spoon shoved up their asses as birth and their parents gave them anything they wanted, or b) they still live in their momma's basement and have nothing better to do.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
As to what I consider an accurate representation of the population would be 10% of the player base
Ok, so no consideration of statistic validity then? Good. In that case it might surprise you to learn that 1000 is a valid sample size for just about anything. Increasing to 10k wouldn't improve much on the accuracy of the representation. No, the argument you should be making is that the sample batch isn't random enough and that it introduces a selection bias that is relevant to the question at hand.
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As to the statement of the bulk of the posters here already have high end computers that is based on their comments which lead me to believe a) they had a silver spoon shoved up their asses as birth and their parents gave them anything they wanted, or b) they still live in their momma's basement and have nothing better to do.
…or maybe it's because they represent a fair cross-section of the players. Their answers are born out of the fact that only a tiny minority of the EVE players don't have SM2-capable cards, and the posters accurately represent the player base at large. CCPs own data gathering on the capabilities of players' computers seems to suggest this.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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meat vapour
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:27:00 -
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hai, is this the whine thread for the c64 owners?
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Faith O'Siras
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
àor maybe it's because they represent a fair cross-section of the players. Their answers are born out of the fact that only a tiny minority of the EVE players don't have SM2-capable cards, and the posters accurately represent the player base at large. CCPs own data gathering on the capabilities of players' computers seems to suggest this.
There lies the overall problem. CCP's data gathering regarding this change was made via a forum thread. How many people actually visit these forums? A very small minority do.
I'm in a fairly decent alliance. Ever since this patch took effect, the activity in my alliance has dropped significantly. IE: from 100+ on at any given time down to roughly 60+ on at any given time. Figure a 35%-45% drop in overall activity. Our forums are highly populated with "please don't kick me --- my PC can't play this new premium lite crap yet"
The repercussions of this are more significant than most of you realize. And to those of you who say that *ample time was given*, I don't consider two moths ample time. Six months would have been a hell of a lot more appropriate. Period.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
There lies the overall problem. CCP's data gathering regarding this change was made via a forum thread.
Source?
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How many people actually visit these forums? A very small minority do.
Doesn't matter as long as it's representative.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Faith O'Siras
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Faith O'Siras
There lies the overall problem. CCP's data gathering regarding this change was made via a forum thread.
Source?
Quote:
How many people actually visit these forums? A very small minority do.
Doesn't matter as long as it's representative.
One of the dev blogs where they requested everyone's input regarding said subject and they stated that it would highly influence their final decision. Perhaps I should've said their *primary source of data*.
And to answer your second, it's not. It is _not_ representative. How do you figure it is representative?
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
2. Premium lite once bugs sorted and people know HOW to set there lite up will be vastly superior to classic in every way shape and form.
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premium lite is sexy and uses jack shiit ram compared to before.
Seriously, you lie. You never tested Premium Lite really, or just stop to Medium, never tried Low.
I tried Low settings, just for fun (8800GT so...), and I can objectively say that Lite is worse than Classic.
Just try, and go to an Amarr station, and then return here to tell us that it is shiny...... 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
One of the dev blogs where they requested everyone's input regarding said subject and they stated that it would highly influence their final decision. Perhaps I should've said their *primary source of data*.
Link?
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And to answer your second, it's not. It is _not_ representative. How do you figure it is representative?
I don't figure anything. I'm simply arguing against the assumption that you need a large amount of people to get accurate data — you don't, as long as the sample is representative. Now, you say that it isn't — what do you base that assertion on?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Miniturret
Amarr
Mining Under the influence of Sugar Pals
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:41:00 -
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tippia i stated the bulk of the posters does not equal the bulk of the players as we've seen. And yes after thinking about it further your right in the sense that the poll on the forums was not random enough even of the 1000 people.
This thread in particular is a prime example of the problem many of the new people I try to get to play eve have. when the thread first started there was some discussion and than the forum *****s came in and flamed those that are not of the same opinion as them. I realize on any forum you will have this problem but it seems here that not only do they flame you but give false information.
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Drew Blaze
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 14:43:13
Originally by: Sjobba
#2: They didn't actually "remove" the classic client, they just stopped supporting it. Which is what happens to all old software eventually. Especially when newer versions are made.
It amazes me how many people actually believe this crap..
Hold old is EvE again? .. They didnt want to spend the money on the classic client, like they dont have enough money...
I can think of loads of program twice as old as EvE which is still supported by the company and others..
Face it.. CCP thought this was an easy way out.. it wasn't.. they lost hundreds, if not thousands of players to this crap marketing scheme.
Classic client is lost forever and so are many players because of it..
edit* - spelling
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Minsc
Gallente
A.W.M
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
Originally by: Grez
Pre SM2.0 cards are eight years old.
Kinda says how behind the curve you are.
Not to mention there have been roughly 500-1000 people (if that even) complaining about classic. Hell, eve the petition thread only had an average of TWO posts per page going FOR the petition - the rest were against it.
I'm afraid you're in an extreme, extreme minority here.
Before all the flames I am in the process of updating my video card so as to continue playing with the crappy eve premium lite.
I disagree with your statement above because of the sheer fact that with the player base that EvE has how many replies did the thread actually get? 500-1000 out of what 50k-100k so you looking at 1% of the player base. Not an accurate representation of the players.
Of the people who generally post on the forums of the 1% it's mostly those that already have $2-5k systems so what do they care get rid of it. but guess what not everyone can afford to go out every 3-6 months and buy a new system. Also i disagree with you my current card which has last me over 2 years now radeon 9250 was released in the summer of 2004 so less than 5 years ago and it's not capable of playing eve without the work around posted in the other thread.
Now i know i'm not able to play some of the newer games but they haven't released a game i've wanted to play in a long time. so I am of the mind "If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it."
I'm sorry but the 9250 was a budget card the minute it rolled out of the factory, if you paid more than $20-30 you got ripped off. It was designed as a low end card from the beginning and if I recall correctly was actually a dx8 part while the 9550 and up were all dx9 parts.
Most people don't upgrade their computer every 3-6 months unless they are rich and like throwing money away. But it's reasonable to assume that most people will update their systems at least every 5 years, especially if you plan to be gaming on it. My first comp cost me around $3000, I used almost all the money I made on my first summer job to pay for it but it lasted me 5 years before I had to upgrade it, my second system cost me $2000 and lasted the same time. My current system cost me around $1000 and I expect it will last about the same time. The point is spending less than $1000 every 5 YEARS is not that significant of a cost to support a gaming hobby.
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Minerva IV
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:46:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Miniturret
with the if it ain't broke don't fix it statement I was referring to my PC. Everything still works so why change/upgrade/replace it? As i've stated yes I know i'm not able to play some of the newer games and I accept that.
As to what I consider an accurate representation of the population would be 10% of the player base which if you consider the fact that there is actually closer to what 250k acounts last I checked i'm only going to use the 50k-100k which I previously used. 10% of that would be 5k-10k responses or polling answers.
Do I agree that Eve needed to updated? yes and no.
Yes because it can not remain stagnant or people will leave and the game with fail.
No because this is the worst time economy wise to force people to upgrade their computers if they want to continue to play the game. I had to look and see what I could give up in order to upgrade my computer enough to continue to play eve. Needless to say there wasn't much that I could and still survive.
As to the statement of the bulk of the posters here already have high end computers that is based on their comments which lead me to believe a) they had a silver spoon shoved up their asses as birth and their parents gave them anything they wanted, or b) they still live in their momma's basement and have nothing better to do.
Seriosally what gfx card you running, im running a 6600gt and it runs full premium fine. You did try turning all the options down right?
As for the why fix it if it isnt broken statement your pc may not be broken as such but its out of date get over it and upgrade or stop moaning and no i neither live with my mother nor was i born with a silver spoon in my mouth, honestly you could upgrade your gfx card to one with s2.0 for a very little amount of money if your that broke that you cant afford that then maybe you should think about the fact you spend 15 euros a month on a game.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cors on 15/03/2009 14:47:26
almost every mmo released in the last 2 years has SM2.0 as a MINIMUM. Which means that CCP is a year or more behind everyone else.
If you use a computer, and you don't upgrade your graphics card at LEAST once every 3 years, then you DESERVE to be left behind. It shows that you don't take performance and quality seriously. Go play on a console. Then you can let your hardware lag behind.. OH WAIT.. Even consoles upgrade every 5 years or so.
The whole SM2.0 topic was discussed to death on the forums. If you didn't participate in that discussion, that's your own fault.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:47:00 -
[35]
Look at it this way:
If this was EVE Part 12, sold in a box, where 11 previous sold sequels to original EVE had become more "machine dependent", noone would sya a word.
It's a fact of gaming, that if you're not playing on a console, games take more space and computer power year after year.
The other way to see this is that EVE just became EVE 2, just like EQ became EQ 2 and the EVE 1 servers just got closed.
MMOs are closed all the time, this time CCP simply moved the playerbase to the new game free of charge 
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Miniturret
tippia i stated the bulk of the posters does not equal the bulk of the players as we've seen
How have we seen it? You stating it is not proof.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 14:48:00 -
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I got this computer off a friend for ú50 last week and it runs Premium...
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
It amazes me how many people actually believe this crap..
Hold old is EvE again? .. They didnt want to spend the money on the classic client, like they dont have enough money...
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
Money. Maybe they do maybe they don't. The main thing was that it cost them too much time bug hunting and the classic and the premium client. It also cost them too much time on models for classic and premium. Time better spent on 1 client, not two.
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I can think of loads of program twice as old as EvE which is still supported by the company and others..
And I can think of loads of programs that no longer work or are just outdated and no longer supported.
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Face it.. CCP thought this was an easy way out.. it wasn't.. they lost hundreds, if not thousands of players to this crap marketing scheme.
Have you looked at the server stats from yesterday evening? Near 48.000! Must be the 100 people with alt chars left over...
And if we look at the amount of forum carnage that went on after the removal of ghost training, the current whinage over the new client just pales away in comparison.
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Classic client is lost forever and so are some players because of it..
Fixed that for you.
Wish people stopped crying a river over a game because their hardware is hopelessly out of date. Gimme a break. If it was something your life would depent on it, ok.
But this.... 
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Wish people stopped crying a river over a game because their hardware is hopelessly out of date. Gimme a break. If it was something your life would depent on it, ok.
But this....
I guess you are a solo player in EvE.
MMORPG today means more that be "a game". It means social connections, sometimes IRL conventions (fanfest, irl corp bbq), etc...
It is not something that the life would depent on it, but it is more than a game.
The most annoying thing is not that CCP want update their minimum requirement. It is the fact that they say this only two months before the patch. For players who have some problems with money, it is a too early ETA to be able to equip in time. That means frustration...
CCP is not good in public relations anyway.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 15:56:00 -
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So wait... people are complaining because EVE looks better... and I thought I'd seen true idiocy long ago...
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Originally by: Discrodia
So wait... people are complaining because EVE looks better... and I thought I'd seen true idiocy long ago...
Try to use your brain before posting.
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:02:25
Originally by: Serpents smile
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
How old is FFXI? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software and new expansions are still coming.)
How old is WoW? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software.)
How old are countless other mmo's..
I could go on and on and on and on....
You are completely wrong and mistaken..
edit* - some facts
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
Don't pull random percentages out of your alt ass!
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
1. maybe we should go back to vector graphics and dispense with all this lovely universe we play in
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Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:24:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Drew Blaze
Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:02:25
Originally by: Serpents smile
Six years. That is old for software. It's incredibly old for a MMO.
How old is WoW? (Never revamped graphics, they still support their software.)
WoW is a lot newer than eve no where neer 6 years old (4 1/2 in fact) and tecnically its WoW 3 now as there have been two expansions and wow sytem req's go up with every expantion, oh and if we had gfx like wow around here space would look like it had been painted by a 3 year old!
6 Years ago when eve released the gfx were top notch, tbh i wold rather have to upgrade my gfx card to run eve looking pretty than cope with poor gfx like WoW, at least ccp dont charge for their expansions which you have to buy to continue the game.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:30:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:30:26
Originally by: Minerva IV
WoW is a lot newer than eve
oh god... now people cant even count..
WoW: The game was released on November 23, 2004
EvE: First released in North America and Europe in May 2003
What do you consider 'a lot newer' ..
come on people.. think before posting.. and learn to count..
edit* - spelling
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 16:30:26
Originally by: Minerva IV
WoW is a lot newer than eve
oh god... now people cant even count..
WoW: The game was released on November 23, 2004
EvE: First released in North America and Europe in May 2003
What do you consider 'a lot newer' ..
come on people.. think before posting.. and learn to count..
edit* - spelling
erm i can cont.....
Wow released nov 2004 (nov 2004 - now (march 2009) 4 years 4 months ago)
Eve released May 2003 (May 2003 - now (march 2009) 5 years 10 months ago)
Thats a differance of 1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:52:00 -
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if you cant run premium it's time to buy a pc made this decade,
i run premium on a pc that cost 400 bucks
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Minmatar
The Order of Chivalry
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:52:00 -
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both subscriptions cancelled! well done ccp ill be back with a better comp
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Posted - 2009.03.15 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:01:24
Originally by: Minerva IV
1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
World of computers? lol.. I feel like your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing..
Main issue still exists.. CCP did NOT need to remove their classic client because of 'age'.
Period...
(Give me the EvE Classic Source code.. I know companies and people that would still support it for many more years to come.)
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:01:24
Originally by: Minerva IV
1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
World of computers? lol.. I feel like your just trying to argue for the sake of arguing..
Main issue still exists.. CCP did NOT need to remove their classic client because of 'age'.
Period...
(Give me the EvE Classic Source code.. I know companies and people that would still support it for many more years to come.)
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No your right they did not need to remove it because of age (i never argued they did), i was more pointing out your flawed argument about WoW and that the system requirements for eve are not high by any stretch of the imagination.
They stopped suporting the clasic client so they only have to keep one client upto date, sorry but to me that makes a lot of sence.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 17:23:10
Originally by: Minerva IV
They stopped suporting the clasic client so they only have to keep one client upto date, sorry but to me that makes a lot of sence.
Your right about them wanting to focus on one client instead of two. However, CCP is a big enough company to have a team devoted solely on Classic Client and its 'needs'.
Now having said that..
I still feel like CCP is trying to take the 'easy way out' and trying to force people to upgrade hardware when in the first place, it was NEVER NEEDED.
It makes me laugh when CCP denies people of playing their game for the sheer fact that THEY feel the game needs to look better..
Here's a suggestion CCP: Ask your players, rather than your employees, if they would be able to play EvE with these 'upgraded graphics'. It was clear to me, leading up the the release of the expansion, that many people were going to have problems with the new graphics. Obviously it wasn't part of the grand scheme to make sure all/most laptop users would be able to continue to play EvE.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58
The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
STFU noob
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Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:42:00 -
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they removed the classic client because it was draining the art depatment having to do everything twice
they did like announce this 3 months ago but hey
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Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:47:00 -
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also now you alt whiney babies are still crying about the game and why you cant play it least that clear the in game for actual people worthy of playing the game
please cancel you subscriptions so wthen we dont have to listen to your whiney 10 year old machines trying to load up your operating system just to post on a forum why you dont think it fair, if CCP was in trouble of loosing 250k subscribers why would 49k people be logged in right now playing absolutly fine
please go play with the wow kiddies next door you mentality it mush more suited to them
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Gallente
Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
I got this computer off a friend for ú50 last week and it runs Premium...
Fell off the back of a truck?
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Gallente
The Astral Order
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:52:00 -
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Dude, is your PC steam-powered or something? You might just need to get the miners to get you more coal, and a faster fireman.
I think that will fix your problem.
But seriously - a GeForce 6 or 7 series can run full premium with absolute ease. Hell, a 9 series isn't too expensive either since they brought out the GTX285s and 295s, so why not just get one?
I dunno, cheap bastards . . .
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Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faith O'Siras
Edited by: Faith O''Siras on 15/03/2009 08:52:58
The next time you decide to release a major expansion, please do the following:
#1: Don't force people out of your game because you want your game to be SHINY.
#2: Do not remove a GOOD CLIENT (classic) in favor of something completely sub-par (premium crap lite).
#3: Get rid of the MAJOR BUGS before releasing it onto TQ. I figured you had fixed most of them on SISI but obviously not. Your bug-hunters and QA teams need to be yelled at. Possibly even fired.
#4: Instead of asking people to offer their opinion on the forums about subjects (ie: the removal of classic), maybe you should implement a POLLING FEATURE so when they BOOT THEIR CLIENT, it asks them. Or upon connection. A SIMPLE POLL would be far more effective than asking people to visit the forums. Had you done that, people would've told you to keep CLASSIC by a large majority. Premium Lite is CRAP in comparison. Only what, 20% of the playerbase actually VISITS these forums? The true nerds?
///end angry@CCP rant.
These are of course, my opinions. FLAME AWAY.
BRAVO!!
All you tools out there flaming this post and the OP don't seem to understand.
Stroking CCP will get you nowhere...yelling at them probably will.
Some of you act as if CCP where your mother. Hell, I know for some of you would would love to have CCP's baby, but let's get real. This is a game, CCP is a business and we are the customers.
If we are to continue to pay CCP for their product, then it better be damn good. Unfortunately some of you are so hooked, that if CCP did revert to vector graphics you would still play eve.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: V1RU5 GREY
BRAVO!!
All you tools out there flaming this post and the OP don't seem to understand.
Stroking CCP will get you nowhere...yelling at them probably will.
Some of you act as if CCP where your mother. Hell, I know for some of you would would love to have CCP's baby, but let's get real. This is a game, CCP is a business and we are the customers.
If we are to continue to pay CCP for their product, then it better be damn good. Unfortunately some of you are so hooked, that if CCP did revert to vector graphics you would still play eve.
Cognitive dissonance much?
OP is whining about removing the classic client, then you support him/she/it by claiming some are so addicted that they would play eve with vector graphics.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Runs fine on MY C64
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:04:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Drew Blaze
Originally by: Minerva IV
1 year 6 months which is a long time in the world of computers.
World of computers? lol..
Yes. In the world of computers 18 months is one iteration of Moore's Law — that's the time it takes for everything to be twice as fast. So yes, that's a fairly long time.
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Here's a suggestion CCP: Ask your players, rather than your employees, if they would be able to play EvE with these 'upgraded graphics'.
They did. The (vast) majority verdict was "yes."
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It was clear to me, leading up the the release of the expansion, that many people were going to have problems with the new graphics.
"Many" is very relative. 1-2000 (or whatever) might be many, but they are still a tiiiiny minority, and many ( ) of those are probably capable of upgrading anyway. The (potential) loss of players was obviously outweighed by the savings in having a streamlined dev process.
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Give me the EvE Classic Source code.. I know companies and people that would still support it for many more years to come.
How many graphics artists do these companies have? And 3D artists? And animators? They've got one hell of a job ahead of them if they're going to reproduce and remodel all the assets that will come in upcoming patches… It's more than code, you know.
Oh, and how many of them are prepared to be shot on sight by angry EVE players when the code is leaked to bot producers?
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Drew Blaze on 15/03/2009 18:22:16
Originally by: Tippia
Oh, and how many of them are prepared to be shot on sight by angry EVE players when the code is leaked to bot producers?
You make some good points and its quite obvious that there is no right or wrong answer or an easy way to 'fix' this situation.
I still believe CCP could have kept Classic Client.. hire more people if needed.. Ill help : )
In the end, both my laptop and PC run EvE.
-Laptop see some FPS troubles but its a notebook.. not a gaming laptop. I am still surprised I can actually play eve on this integrated piece of s**t... So I can say CCP is trying.
-PC works perfectly and no problems with performance.
So at the end of the day, I really don't have a problem with them upgrading, as I can still play : )
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Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Akularen on 15/03/2009 18:26:55
it just keeps amazing me, that someone who pays 14,99$/Ç every month to play a game, can't afford (or just won't) spending the cost of a new (or used) graphics card..
a gfx, that's capable of running EVE, pretty well on premium only cost about the same as 2-4 months of EVE, this of course depends on whether you buy a new or a used gfx.
As an example, i sold my old 8600GT for 350 DKR, which is ~47Ç or the same as 3,13 months of EVE playtime. (FYI the 8600GT ran EVE premium quite well at 1440x900)
and if EVE is so important to you, that the gfx or whatever-is-needed-to-be-upgraded thing is such a problem, you might want to consider saving money on different everyday things, or buy a few beers less down town? 
so PLEEEASE explain to me WHY it's so big of an issue to you?
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen
Edited by: Akularen on 15/03/2009 18:26:55
it just keeps amazing me, that someone who pays 14,99$/Ç every month to play a game, can't afford (or just won't) spending the cost of a new (or used) graphics card..
You fail to see the biggest issue for this situation.
Question) How do you upgrade a integrated video card that CANNOT be upgraded?
Answer) Buy a brand new computer..
Blame manufactures that wont allow upgradable video cards...
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
Originally by: Akularen
Edited by: Akularen on 15/03/2009 18:26:55
it just keeps amazing me, that someone who pays 14,99$/Ç every month to play a game, can't afford (or just won't) spending the cost of a new (or used) graphics card..
You fail to see the biggest issue for this situation.
Question) How do you upgrade a integrated video card that CANNOT be upgraded?
Answer) Buy a brand new computer..
Blame manufactures that wont allow upgradable video cards...
That only applies to laptops, as desktops have a PCI-e/AGP slot free, when they come with integrated gfx's, so the problem ain't bigger than taking a screwdriver -> open the case -> apply new GFX -> play EVE.
so i don't think i fail the "biggest" issue, cause apparently that issue is non-existent?
of course if you ONLY have a laptop, i see some issues, but then again, get an older used computer, and spend a few bucks upgrading it with used hardware?
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen
That only applies to laptops, as desktops have a PCI-e/AGP slot free, when they come with integrated gfx's, so the problem ain't bigger than taking a screwdriver -> open the case -> apply new GFX -> play EVE.
lol, thanks from the people that didnt know computer basics. lol..
Who ever has the ability to upgrade their graphics card and DOES NOT but would rather come here and whine.. now thats a problem..
However, not all people are not in this boat. A lot of users are in my 'shoes' as they have a laptop that cannot be upgraded in a way that it needs to be. Only fix is to purchase a new comp..
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:07:00 -
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OK, just as a note, the Radeon 9250 is a R200/RV2x0 series card, a chipset which was released originally in late 2001. While the 9250 was a 2004 release, when it came out it was a bargain-bin card sold for chump change, as it was a lower-cost variant of the 9200, which was the AGP 8x update of the 9000, which was the lower-cost variant of the 8500. It was introduced well after the entire R200/RV2x0 line was obsolete.
Note this is a DX8.1 card. DX9 was introduced in December 2002 and rendered the entire R200/RV2x0 GPU's obsolete for gaming use.
So yeah. ***** some about CCP dropping support for cards which were already obsolete when EVE was launched 6 years ago.
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Akularen
Amarr
Nomads
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.15 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Drew Blaze
Originally by: Akularen
That only applies to laptops, as desktops have a PCI-e/AGP slot free, when they come with integrated gfx's, so the problem ain't bigger than taking a screwdriver -> open the case -> apply new GFX -> play EVE.
lol, thanks from the people that didnt know computer basics. lol..
Who ever has the ability to upgrade their graphics card and DOES NOT but would rather come here and whine.. now thats a problem..
However, not all people are not in this boat. A lot of users are in my 'shoes' as they have a laptop that cannot be upgraded in a way that it needs to be. Only fix is to purchase a new comp..
np
i see the problem with the "laptop only" owners, but as i stated above, it is a very cheap and often good way to obtain a computer, by looking for some nice second-hand/used? offers, especially because of the quick price drops in the computerworld.
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