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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:01:00 -
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If any of you Corparation/Alliance/Player want to join to the Pandemic Legion be cautious, they are using this way :
1- When you contact them , they are saying "We need only numbers, if you are over 35-50 people its ok for us"
2- You dont need to open cyno to carry your goods we'll sent you a cyno-player, he'll guide you to the system
3- They are delaying you on accepting on to the alliance , while you are prepering
4- After all your preperations set up and you are asking for Standing, they are saying we'll accept it when you arrive cause we are on war, so while moving in the Empire Space you'll have some problems carrying goods.
5- Final phase, when you are on the jump you'll see on the last 2 cyno, you are moving far from the destionation 1 jump further (5 light years) and you are finding yourself at Delve PR-8CA system, heavyly camped (as you know all the time camped) and they are killing you on site cause you are neutral to everyone and your cyno-guy screaming "Kill them all"
Final Note: Dont join to the Pandemic Legion join any Corparation you want but dont join this lame players. Their reputation on this is well known. I'm just writing this for the corparations thinking to join Pandemic. If you insist on joining this guys;
1- Check everything twice
2- Dont let them guide you through their space
3- Dont give any money untill you join alliance
4- Use Back up Cyno-Characters
5- Before jumping their territory, check the station locale with your another cyno character
6- If they say "The local is crowded because camped" delay jumping (Trap Sense 1)
7- If they say "We are guarding the jump process" (Trick Sense 2)
8- If they say "there is Cyno Jammer at the System so you'll jump to this location instead, and the person who can remove Cyno-Jammer is not online" (Trap Sense 3)
9- Even everything goes ok DONT JUMP WITH ALL YOUR SHIPS, wait every Carrier jump one-by-one and wait every one one of them docked to the station one-by-one.
10- Last warning, If they say you'll operate at PR-8CA, you'll jump in to the main trap even you can dock to the station you cannot go out cause thats their main camp place you'll find your self in 400 Local Count. Ask them another Station system that you can dock. You can go to PR-8CA anytime after you dock.
Thats all my warnings, this warning list has lived and written.I dont want any other corparation suffer the same fate.Fly safe
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Karr Blanch
The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:05:00 -
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So more importantly, don't be stupid?
Seriously, who falls for something like this?
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:06:00 -
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that is pritty savage :/
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:06:00 -
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Many People you can imagine fall to this trick
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Iamien
Caldari
Stargate SG-1
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:06:00 -
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Sounds like the Goonswarm scam modified. Instead of tricking individual pilots they are tricking entire corps? GG.
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Plexreticle
Ero Guro
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:09:00 -
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#11, When joining a new corp or alliance check things out for a few days before jumping in all your expensive cap ships and equipment.
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:10:00 -
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They are doing this just for the killbord and loosing 50-100-150 people, just to show the kill in the killbord.
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Lizaa
Caldari
Reikoku
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:19:00 -
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That is actually pretty lolz. As much as I dislike PL, I like the tactic. but that is prolly just the pirate in me.
Lizaa
Director of GriefTactics StudiosÖ |
Karr Blanch
The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:31:00 -
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But honestly if you get to 3-4 and don't suspect something is going on, you're a bit dim in my opinion.
Actually following through and jumping to 0.0 in a time/place of someone else's choosing before they set faction or let you join is just simply a bad idea.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.17 07:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Karr Blanch
So more importantly, don't be stupid?
Seriously, who falls for something like this?
The same people who make running trade window and contract scams in the major hubs wildly profitable. FFS the times I've sold a caracal as a cerb.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:23:00 -
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While we are doing this , the stuation critism is this
1- We are fighting common enemy
2- Most of the kills on our killbord is the common enemy
So you dont think to get in to trikery while you are fighting to common enemy.But this is Eve and people behave differently rather then the real life. But games like in real life build up the character of a child, in bad or good way. This people are have same character as in real life "Betrayers" and "Scams".I dont expect different behavior from them in real life.In my eye Bob (Kenzoku) have bad impression before. But not now. Goonswarm-Pandemic Legion all have going in this kind of trikery on every battle of them. Atleast BoB fighting directly with their opponents, i'm respecting their gameplay. Goonswarm and Pandemic Legion members are all scam and you can see it from their actions.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:23:00 -
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PL=goons, so that's what you can expect.
While it's a ****ty way of dealing with people whom want to join you it's also a good "idiot check" to see if the new guys actually think about what they're doing (and thus are fit to join). Not my way of doing things but different playstyles is what makes EVE.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Exacutor
While we are doing this , the stuation critism is this
1- We are fighting common enemy
2- Most of the kills on our killbord is the common enemy
So you dont think to get in to trikery while you are fighting to common enemy.But this is Eve and people behave differently rather then the real life. But games like in real life build up the character of a child, in bad or good way. This people are have same character as in real life "Betrayers" and "Scams".I dont expect different behavior from them in real life.In my eye Bob (Kenzoku) have bad impression before. But not now. Goonswarm-Pandemic Legion all have going in this kind of trikery on every battle of them. Atleast BoB fighting directly with their opponents, i'm respecting their gameplay. Goonswarm and Pandemic Legion members are all scam and you can see it from their actions.
BOB's been scamming people out of supercaps.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:28:00 -
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Then all big Alliances are scammers after your last pointing.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:29:00 -
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Owned.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:31:00 -
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Ofcourse they are, they use you as a meatshield to protect their interests. Be it their isk printing moons, cap construction or the fact that you're used tactically not realising you're in an alt/pet alliance. They want you to fight and die for them.
There are very few alliances who have the actual intent to look after their members properly and have that as their main goal.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:33:00 -
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Yes Owned and not regreting it. But i hope to not to see more people owned, and not serving your cause after this post.
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Karr Blanch
The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
There are very few alliances who have the actual intent to look after their members properly and have that as their main goal.
Which are these few, if I may ask?
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:35:00 -
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Probably none of the 0.0, sov holding ones. Comes with the territory.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 08:36:00 -
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Beeing 10 t0 50 people pirate corp is more like Mafia family and more fun then being in a gigantic alliance. You know people you are with and your actions cannot judge by no one. Games real fun is in this not that crappy Delve war or what ever war they are doing.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 09:50:00 -
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lol, someone at the pr- camp obviously got bored then another guy said, hey, I know where I can get us targets.
(p.s. you really should have figured it out when they could't find the guy to off line the cyno jammer)
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 10:33:00 -
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So just create the 'Antibiotics Armada' to cleanse the world from the 'Pandemic Legion'.
I'd even donate a couple salvagers to clean up the mess you'll make.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:06:00 -
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I think its great, they're killing support for their own cause by scamming the very people that want to join them.
The more ill will and misstrust they create between themselves and everyone else the better, fingers crossed it'll hasten their downfall.
So yes, the moral of the story is dont join goon or any of their friends because you simply cannot trust them, at all. Heck, they cant even trust themselves. 
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AC Resonance
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus
I think its great, they're killing support for their own cause by scamming the very people that want to join them.
Dunno why your loling, most large alliances are looking for good fights. You don't get a good fight if every tom/**** and/or harry is in your alliance.
And why would you think that PL wants or needs your help?
Stop trying to jump in on a "I win" bandwagon after the fact. Why not try go finding a small/medium alliance or corp and work at make it great. These people you are trying to join have been playing for years together, they've done that already. They are also extremely picky about who they let in if they want you they'll come to you, hence the "invite only".
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 17/03/2009 12:25:02
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Owned.
Is that all you can say Viper ?
Something tells me there is more to this story then just a random elaborate trap.
I can't believe you guys/gals are that bored.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:39:00 -
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.03.17 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: AC Resonance
Originally by: Neamus
I think its great, they're killing support for their own cause by scamming the very people that want to join them.
Dunno why your loling, most large alliances are looking for good fights. You don't get a good fight if every tom/**** and/or harry is in your alliance.
And why would you think that PL wants or needs your help?
Stop trying to jump in on a "I win" bandwagon after the fact. Why not try go finding a small/medium alliance or corp and work at make it great. These people you are trying to join have been playing for years together, they've done that already. They are also extremely picky about who they let in if they want you they'll come to you, hence the "invite only".
You're a strange one arent you.
Ok you've completely missinterpreted my post. I am anti goon and co, and I'm not jumping on any bandwagon at all. I think that what they do it pathetic, the lol is from watching them damage themselves by doing it.
You like jumping to baseless conclusions about people, dont you. If you actually took a bit of time to look this char up, you'd see that he is already in a small corp / alliance and that we are already doing exactly as you suggest.
In fact right now we're in the middle of the 1500 fleet fights you may or may not have read about, fighting goon.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.03.17 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Exacutor
1- When you contact them , they are saying "We need only numbers, if you are over 35-50 people its ok for us"
Surely "over 35" would suffice
Or in most players minds, over 16.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.17 13:14:00 -
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Well PL are pirates afterall. THis is not ASCN you are dealing with.  |
Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 13:47:00 -
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you know that that is prety damn funny ^^.
imagine a convoy of carriers/jfs/rorqs full of lewtz.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.03.17 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 17/03/2009 13:52:10
Seriously PL DONT NOT just accept corps, you get invited! but PL are spending so much time with Goons they are becoming like them. Its really sad as PL are pretty respected as a PVP Alliance. I didnt think they had to really go to these tactics anymore..
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:06:00 -
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This makes me respect PL more, for the record.
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:18:00 -
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I'd just like to say that there is no truth to these accusations, Please tell me the names of the pilots involved so that I can take appropriate action.
This sounds like a complicated scam and I would like nothing better than to bring these pilots to justice.
There is little honour left in this game, but I would like to think we still have some.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:27:00 -
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This clearly belongs in CAOD.
In any case, I'd take this up with PL's leadership. I doubt they'd recruit en masse, especially since they have trial periods for new pilots, which makes me think this whole story is a fake.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gneeznow on 17/03/2009 14:47:36
laffo
edit: all you PL jerks are nothing but 14 year old basement dwelling goons *dribbles on self in empire*
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 -
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Mik Kyo was our Pandemic Cyno guy, ask him your questions he can tell how he planned things , and he was the main man in this Trikery
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Quake Abuse
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Exacutor
Mik Kyo was our Pandemic Cyno guy, ask him your questions he can tell how he planned things , and he was the main man in this Trikery
PROTIP: dont let people you dont know light cyno's for you!
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:51:00 -
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I cant believe this Mik Kyo, at least accept what you did cause it looks like your people appriciate what you have done and proud of so, give them an interview from here how you planned and background of things. So people will respect you more as your way.
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xXLegolasXx
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:58:00 -
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I think that Exacutor = Mik kyo
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Exacutor on 17/03/2009 14:58:33
This part is for who dont believe and saying fake
1- http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Bregan+Dearthe&id=6002536&page=3&filter=losses#mail
2- http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Bregan+Dearthe&id=6003989&page=4&filter=losses#mail
3- http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Bregan+Dearthe&id=6008144&page=4&filter=losses#mail
4- http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Bregan+Dearthe&id=6002780&page=4&filter=losses#mail
5- http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Bregan+Dearthe&id=5998854&page=4&filter=losses#mail
if you look upon the killers you can understand what i mean
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:13:00 -
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PL and Goonie no honour blobbers
if it were me i would have 1v1d you
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rValdez5987
Amarr
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:14:00 -
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I'll never understand the desperation at joining PL anyways...or Goonswarm for that matter....
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:22:00 -
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Bloody O**** ruining our good reputation again.
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Sandwich PvP
The Maverick Navy
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:31:00 -
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Let me try and understand this. You attempted to join a known pirate corp, led by a well known pirate, and you got pulled into a trap?
The mistakes you made are beyond belief for anyone in this game over six months. While I may not care for PL they are one of the better pvp corps that own space in 0.0, but to trust them to deal fairly? Get serious.
Sorry that you got an expensive lesson, but sov holding 0.0 corps do not generally invite newer corps to join them. Rent them space maybe, but join their alliance, not likely.
The only fight worth fighting is the one you should lose. |
Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:39:00 -
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Lessen well learned and any enemy of Goon/Pandemic is an ally.
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:41:00 -
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when did pandemic go from l33t pvp'ers (no joke, always good to watch them work) - to goon emulating asshats?
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Gneeznow on 17/03/2009 15:43:44
Originally by: Exacutor
Lessen well learned and any enemy of Goon/Pandemic is an ally.
you should get standings with Kenzoku/skunk-works/atlas/-A- and join in with their ~~WuLfPaX~~ in delve
Originally by: NeoTheo
when did pandemic go from l33t pvp'ers (no joke, always good to watch them work) - to goon emulating asshats?
we've been allies to goonswarm since pretty much the foundation of PL, you're a little behind the times, also I'm hurt that we've lost respekt in the eve-o general discussion forum seriously
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melissa kong
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:49:00 -
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Lost of respect in an understatement
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:49:00 -
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oh hey who are you? i haven't seen you round these parts before!
Here can you please hold this knife while i turn around and bend over to fill this sack full of ú20 notes? thanks!
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 17/03/2009 15:50:52
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: NeoTheo
when did pandemic go from l33t pvp'ers (no joke, always good to watch them work) - to goon emulating asshats?
we've been allies to goonswarm since pretty much the foundation of PL, you're a little behind the times, also I'm hurt that we've lost respekt in the eve-o general discussion forum seriously
lol ;) made me giggle, i just always saw PL a pretty pro PvP allaince, were as Goons have always done this sorta thing its the first time ive heard pandemic doing it. maybe i just dont pay attention - i am well aware of the blues and redz, its more the method i was talking about.
;) anyhow, have a cookie and some neo lub ;)
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Saint Schala
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:51:00 -
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Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 15:53:00 -
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My e-honor backbone 
Quote:
El'Tar > IM UR PET NOW
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Sandwich PvP
The Maverick Navy
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:06:00 -
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What? We need a hunting pass from the superfriends to pop you? That is just not right!
Is it ok if we keep killing SOT and your other assorted pets?
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:22:00 -
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First of all, this is not something that Pandemic Legion normally does, or condones.
Had you contacted the proper people you would have been told politely that the alliance is not recruiting, you didn't and so you found me.
Motive:
Despite what you read here it was not isk based at all, and PL is not running round recruitment scamming to pad there killboards. The players in your leadership tried to ruin the reputation of one of my old eve friends by calling him a spy and effectivly co*kblocking his recruitment into PL, therfore incurring my wrath, you simply messed with the wrong guy.
The Scam:
I talked for a long time with various directors and ceos in the three corps in question, eventually we decided that it would be the best course of action to disband these corporations and create just one main corp, which would be the one to join us.
While this was ongoing I also gave them a lowsec system that adjoined high security space and which was a decent enough startpoint for our jump route to delve/fountain.
Despite the average eve player posting in this thread and calling these guys stupid, or noobs to have fallen for it, I believe that the vast majority of eve would have done no better.
From the marks point of view he had spoken to three different alliance directors, he had joined the Pandemic Legion voice comms with his guys they had seen PL members in other channels, they had then been moved to a private channel, by someone who obviously had admin access to the ventrillo server. They had gone through all the normal processes to do with joining an alliance, they had been detailed on every tiny bit of life in our alliance and they had secrit operational data provided to them. They had spoken to a diplomat and our head of logistics and they were finally happy.
Of course in reality they had merely been on my vent server with me running about sixty clients and using a trial version of a rather terrible piece of voice changing software, and telling them untold amounts of random detail, every bit of it helping them make up there minds and grow there confidence even if they didn't realise it. I went into everything that goes on in our alliance and what would be expected of them, and importantly what they could expect to make out of the deal. Details important to the scam were put out there amongst a cloud of other unimportant things making it very hard for my marks to pick up on them as being "strange".
A while after they had been educated about the various benefits of joining my alliance, the targets created there new corporation and I recieved the 5 billion isk security deposit, this was the critical point in the scam and I couldn't miss a beat. For my marks i'm sure that this was a critical point for them as well, would I run with there money? or would they actually get to join the alliance. They were told to be ready to move on the 22nd and that alliance jump freighters would be making the run anyway, and would have space.
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:23:00 -
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From this point on I played three different characters, myself as an important alliance diplomat, char 1 as the head of logistics and with three personally owned out of alliance jump freighters and a friend in a noob corporation who was also joining us at the same time and would jump his carrier down with the target capitals. Using three different personalities, voices and ensuring they each had there own attitudes and even spelling errors damn well nearly burnt me out, but thankfully I only needed to do it for a couple of days. The friend played a critical part in boosting there confidence, and my finest examples of social engineering were employed here.
On Sunday the 22nd with the cyno chain in place and with the marks corp apparently now set to join the alliance in 24 hours, we began to move the carriers, full to the brim with there corps high value assets and t2 rigged hacs and recons. The fact that they never saw my jump freighters was of course no concern as they would be on a different jump route to the carriers, and so the courier contracts kept coming in.
The pilot in the noob corporation also offered to carry some ships and relieved the marks of a further raven and falcon. Because I was unaware of our time of arrival and because I did not know what delays or problems might occur I decided not to ask for an op, and just to cyno them into the bubblecamp in PR- the largest system camp in the history of eve, At a time that was very boring for the goons I decided they needed a reward. I ensured that our carrier did not have enough fuel to make this final jump in case he got confused or forgot :|
I cynoed them in with a Pandemic Legion alt with my main sitting next to the bubbles in a sabre, this caused some amusement in local as people tried to work out whether they should shoot these carriers or not, eventually they made there decision. Congratulations to the one that got away, thanks to your quick thinking and clear head you escaped. After the engagement was over I accepted a further three courier contracts on my alt from people who had obviously not got the memo.
The takings:
5 billion isk
Faction fitted pilgrim, rigged falcon, kitsune, raven, scimitar, crow, cerb, flycatcher, drake, 6 mining barges and a rigged heron with a sisters probe launcher 0.o
About 50 rigs, stacks of t2 loot and what i assume to be reactions.
6 carrier killmails, each one multi billion isk losses considering the assets contained in them.
Total take was about 8 billion isk, destroyed isk alot higher. Not a huge scam at all... but significant losses to the people involved, and being it personally motivated, I am happy with the outcome.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2009-02-22%2015:33:00&end_time=2009-02-23%2316:08:00&system=PR-8CA
Thanks to Angel for making this possible enjoy your take <3
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Berious on 17/03/2009 16:41:42
That's a lot of words to cover up dishonorable O**** scumbaggery. Luckily in Snigg we have standards and are worthy of the Eve community's love and appreciation.
edit: also you can shut up Gneez
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melissa kong
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:41:00 -
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hell has no wrath like a woman scorn :)
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:07:00 -
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This is the one reason EvE is so successful with alot of people. Total Anarchy breeds not just hardcore criminals but also goes towards proving that Darwin may have been right.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:18:00 -
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Reward was well-earned considering the effort spent.
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:26:00 -
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What does the scouter say about his powerlevel?
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
What does the scouter say about his powerlevel?
Die.
Someone got pwned though. Over 9000 pwned.
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Talon Scorpio
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:37:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Owned.
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Minaruars
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:06:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Mik kyo
First of all, this is not something that Pandemic Legion normally does, or condones.
Had you contacted the proper people you would have been told politely that the alliance is not recruiting, you didn't and so you found me.
Motive:
Despite what you read here it was not isk based at all, and PL is not running round recruitment scamming to pad there killboards. The players in your leadership tried to ruin the reputation of one of my old eve friends by calling him a spy and effectivly co*kblocking his recruitment into PL, therfore incurring my wrath, you simply messed with the wrong guy.
The Scam:
I talked for a long time with various directors and ceos in the three corps in question, eventually we decided that it would be the best course of action to disband these corporations and create just one main corp, which would be the one to join us.
While this was ongoing I also gave them a lowsec system that adjoined high security space and which was a decent enough startpoint for our jump route to delve/fountain.
Despite the average eve player posting in this thread and calling these guys stupid, or noobs to have fallen for it, I believe that the vast majority of eve would have done no better.
From the marks point of view he had spoken to three different alliance directors, he had joined the Pandemic Legion voice comms with his guys they had seen PL members in other channels, they had then been moved to a private channel, by someone who obviously had admin access to the ventrillo server. They had gone through all the normal processes to do with joining an alliance, they had been detailed on every tiny bit of life in our alliance and they had secrit operational data provided to them. They had spoken to a diplomat and our head of logistics and they were finally happy.
Of course in reality they had merely been on my vent server with me running about sixty clients and using a trial version of a rather terrible piece of voice changing software, and telling them untold amounts of random detail, every bit of it helping them make up there minds and grow there confidence even if they didn't realise it. I went into everything that goes on in our alliance and what would be expected of them, and importantly what they could expect to make out of the deal. Details important to the scam were put out there amongst a cloud of other unimportant things making it very hard for my marks to pick up on them as being "strange".
A while after they had been educated about the various benefits of joining my alliance, the targets created there new corporation and I recieved the 5 billion isk security deposit, this was the critical point in the scam and I couldn't miss a beat. For my marks i'm sure that this was a critical point for them as well, would I run with there money? or would they actually get to join the alliance. They were told to be ready to move on the 22nd and that alliance jump freighters would be making the run anyway, and would have space.
Good story, if its true.. its impressive.. but also says something about you your corp and your alliance..
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:13:00 -
[64]
You have done untold harm to your alliance. Your enemies both in the GBC and closer to home are passing this post around to show that PL can't be trusted. Goons tried something like this back in the day, and found that recruitment scams are one thing, when nobody knows if your diplo is legit or not, that's an entirely different issue.
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:22:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Crumplecorn
What does the scouter say about his powerlevel?
Die.
Someone got pwned though. Over 9000 pwned.
I won't die even if you kill me.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:24:00 -
[66]
An elaborate recruitement scam and a well executed one by the sounds of it, but a recruitement scam none the less.
Let this be a warning to all those that are considering joining PL, it appears that they cannot be trusted.
For an erstwhile respected PvP organisation that doesnt condone recruitment scamming and indeed count themselves as honourable, they're certainly very adept at it..
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Maxis Karam
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:53:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jas Dor
You have done untold harm to your alliance. Your enemies both in the GBC and closer to home are passing this post around to show that PL can't be trusted. Goons tried something like this back in the day, and found that recruitment scams are one thing, when nobody knows if your diplo is legit or not, that's an entirely different issue.
True, since goons started scamming they have almost lost all their space
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:56:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Maxis Karam
Originally by: Jas Dor
You have done untold harm to your alliance. Your enemies both in the GBC and closer to home are passing this post around to show that PL can't be trusted. Goons tried something like this back in the day, and found that recruitment scams are one thing, when nobody knows if your diplo is legit or not, that's an entirely different issue.
True, since goons started scamming they have almost lost all their space
PL has usually taken a more "honorable" stance than Goons, though. This kind of thing doesn't help that much.
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Calhontor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:59:00 -
[69]
I find this very LOL.
Not lol at the fact that the corp lost so many ships and what not but LOL at how pathetic PL really are i mean it really is pathetic adn cannot be justified in any way. A recruitment scam will just bring them closer to their own downfall and yes this shows that PL are GOONS!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:06:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Maxis Karam
Originally by: Jas Dor
You have done untold harm to your alliance. Your enemies both in the GBC and closer to home are passing this post around to show that PL can't be trusted. Goons tried something like this back in the day, and found that recruitment scams are one thing, when nobody knows if your diplo is legit or not, that's an entirely different issue.
True, since goons started scamming they have almost lost all their space
But on the upside the years of infighting by fat rich decadent Bob member corps handed the Goons Delve on a silver platter with the flick of a traitorous directors switch when years of fighting got them nowhere. They are in a much better region than their old one. But see the problem is that for all the Goons luck in beating Bob on a technicality will that luck continue when everyone else in Eve starts looking at Delve and the current defenders with thier long record of ineptitude in alliance combat. Goons are good at what they do unfortunately large scale organized warefare is not one of them. I wonder what nefarious plans their allies are already churning out. I think alliance warfare is going to get mighty interesting again(finally!) before too long. 
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Leptine
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:06:00 -
[71]
Now this is interesting, heh.
I actually quite respected Pandemic, good PvP'ers etc. But there's little I hate more in EvE than recruitment scams, just so lame.
Whoever did it should get kicked from alliance imo, that is if you're actually serious about not condoning the practice...
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:09:00 -
[72]
Its important to remember that the targets themselves were not saints, they got kicked from there previous alliance for stealing moon minerals and stealing from the alliance.
I targeted them because of what they were doing to my friend, Such things are not left unpunished.
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Bleck Mether
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:09:00 -
[73]
Ooo, glad I read this lol.
I was thinking about making an app but I dont think I will now hehe.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:15:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Bleck Mether
Ooo, glad I read this lol.
I was thinking about making an app but I dont think I will now hehe.
Don't let a few isolated situations like this sully your opinion of some of the Goons members corps. Remember that the Goon alliance was built on mutual hate of Bob and all the things they stood for and now that Bob is no moar you might find loyaties a changin' against that other corp that nearly everyone hates. 
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:17:00 -
[75]
Wasn't Pandemic Legion the alliance that at one point cried that their loyalty was betrayed by an insider? Man, that thread was full of "honor", "word", "loyalty". Guess it was all potty .
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:52:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Bleck Mether
Ooo, glad I read this lol.
I was thinking about making an app but I dont think I will now hehe.
OH NOE
PLEASE RECONSIDER
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Blafbeest
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:53:00 -
[77]
Never trust o**** members, hell even within the alliance we dont trust them \o/. Sorry for your loss but tbh its your own fault.
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Goberth Ludwig
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:02:00 -
[78]
voice changing program LOL mik dont you have anything better to do with your time? xD
- Gob
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:03:00 -
[79]
O**** best corp in PL~
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:08:00 -
[80]
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
BWahahahah...
haha.
Seriously, you were pirates, talking to other pirates, and you trusted TOTALLY these pirates with all your worldly belongings and jumped them into the largest camp in EVE history, WITHOUT checking that standings were set within the theater for the side you were choosing to fight on, and your blaming the guys that killed you?
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kytthix
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:09:00 -
[81]
Edited by: kytthix on 17/03/2009 20:09:07
dear god they're calling us goons, what now, they'll accuse us of overusing :smug: or even worse, ****ty corps full of stupid people will stop applying to PL
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PVP Turd
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:23:00 -
[82]
PL Fail. Everybody knows that PL has been jacking their own pets for years now. Wanting to join PL is like wanting to be that stuff that builds up between your toes...oh yeah Toe Jam. Who knows when they are done blowin the Goons maybe they won't be able to recruit anybody anymore |
Tinman256
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:27:00 -
[83]
I dont think LOL does this post enough justice.
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Exacutor
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:30:00 -
[84]
This Mik Kyo scammer seeing halisunations, he is saying we have stolen moon minerals or something. have you ever checked how many Corparations Named "Bregan Dearthe", "BreganDearte" "Bregan De'arte" ...... and goes on this guy is mixing us withsome one else. Our corp was alt made newly and the pre-corp was Turksquad. We have open Crimson Angels just for uniting 2 corp to join PL, if you check the employement history of the players none of them are in any pirate corp before.So your reasons and scamming isnt true to your story.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:35:00 -
[85]
The fact it's pirate on pirate piracy is pretty dam funny
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:38:00 -
[86]
Originally by: PVP Turd
PL Fail. Everybody knows that PL has been jacking their own pets for years now. Wanting to join PL is like wanting to be that stuff that builds up between your toes...oh yeah Toe Jam. Who knows when they are done blowin the Goons maybe they won't be able to recruit anybody anymore
PL is a terrible alliance and has never accomplished anything without our GoonSwarm overlords. When they inevitably reset us, we'll probably failure cascade and retreat to empire~~
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:45:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Exacutor
This Mik Kyo scammer seeing halisunations, he is saying we have stolen moon minerals or something. have you ever checked how many Corparations Named "Bregan Dearthe", "BreganDearte" "Bregan De'arte" ...... and goes on this guy is mixing us withsome one else. Our corp was alt made newly and the pre-corp was Turksquad. We have open Crimson Angels just for uniting 2 corp to join PL, if you check the employement history of the players none of them are in any pirate corp before.So your reasons and scamming isnt true to your story.
I know why you were removed from Scalar :)
And I have chatlogs of you trying to discredit my friend by accusing him of being a spy. Try again.
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Creed Demastikus
Bregan Dearthe
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:46:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Mik kyo
Its important to remember that the targets themselves were not saints, they got kicked from there previous alliance for stealing moon minerals and stealing from the alliance.
I targeted them because of what they were doing to my friend, Such things are not left unpunished.
are u trying to justify yourself by spurting lies ? who "kicked" or who "steal some moon minerals" from who ? we can call in that alliance representatives and ask them who steal their minerals just wonder..
and for your friend.. u saying u do this scam for just "punishing" us ? we doesnt have any connection with his apply to a pl corp nor we have any knowledge of it at first but than the one who first u talk infomred us "the guy trying to join an pl corp and in his application he's not honest at all" etc..
u have very interesting kind of justice idea in your mind..
there is no limit how a person go low..
i have to accept we just bein too naive and believin ppl is our great fault..
as u said its a small scam.. we can survive its no big deal only thing hurting us is bein humilated like this over some stupid "cause"
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Corvac
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:46:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dianeces
PL is a terrible alliance and has never accomplished anything without our GoonSwarm overlords. When they inevitably reset us, we'll probably failure cascade and retreat to empire~~
Our Goon overlords will never do something like that to us, my good man. They have honor, something this despicable scammer clearly do not have. I will be sure to take this case up at the next representative meeting, to get him banished from the alliance.
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Sabrage
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:49:00 -
[90]
Serious Spaceship Business, but thank you for the lulz.
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Sandwich PvP
The Maverick Navy
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:49:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: PVP Turd
PL Fail. Everybody knows that PL has been jacking their own pets for years now. Wanting to join PL is like wanting to be that stuff that builds up between your toes...oh yeah Toe Jam. Who knows when they are done blowin the Goons maybe they won't be able to recruit anybody anymore
PL is a terrible alliance and has never accomplished anything without our GoonSwarm overlords. When they inevitably reset us, we'll probably failure cascade and retreat to empire~~
I'm cornfused. Appears to me that the only reason goons got delve was pl blobs. Shouldn't pl be our new overlords?
/me enjoys the new freedom from the sca gag order!
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:53:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: PVP Turd
PL Fail. Everybody knows that PL has been jacking their own pets for years now. Wanting to join PL is like wanting to be that stuff that builds up between your toes...oh yeah Toe Jam. Who knows when they are done blowin the Goons maybe they won't be able to recruit anybody anymore
PL is a terrible alliance and has never accomplished anything without our GoonSwarm overlords. When they inevitably reset us, we'll probably failure cascade and retreat to empire~~
I, for one, am looking forward to mining in peace with my perfectly skilled hulk characters.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:54:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Sebea on 17/03/2009 20:55:11
Originally by: Exacutor
have you ever checked how many Corparations Named "Bregan Dearthe", "BreganDearte" "Bregan De'arte" .
Stealing a good authors creativity is bad, Mr. Salvatore called, he wants his idea back.
Also, you named yourselves after a group of Elves. LoL
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Kiriz Zule
Sleeper Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:40:00 -
[94]
your cyno-guy screaming "Kill them all"
I <3 PL
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:44:00 -
[95]
The ultimate perfection of Goonswarm's recruitment scams, nice.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Deal with it.
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XxAngelxX
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:48:00 -
[96]
My favourite bit of all this was hearing mik saying he had caps tackled in pr-, for me to get there, then realise after they started screaming in local about being blue exactly what was going on and getting told off for ****ting up TS while PL were trying to get super serious cap kills coz i was laughing at him so much.
Cynoing them into 300 hungry goons who had been camping for days was the icing on the cake.
Also sorry for your loss dudes but this had nothing to do with PL, just a terrible corp with no honor.
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Mr Blue
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:33:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Mr Blue on 17/03/2009 22:36:00
Originally by: Calhontor
I find this very LOL.
Not lol at the fact that the corp lost so many ships and what not but LOL at how pathetic PL really are i mean it really is pathetic adn cannot be justified in any way. A recruitment scam will just bring them closer to their own downfall and yes this shows that PL are GOONS!
oh noes .....our e-honour.
if U doesnt know anyone major in the alliance your joining of a known alliance like PL/Kenny/Goons /whatever. then your prob bether off not applying. or atleast take the app seriously. the same rule is about joining as a member more or less.
Its like going in Harlem as a white 60y old man towards a black hoodie gang and ask to join the gang.
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Flinx Evenstar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:56:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 17/03/2009 22:55:58
The incident was frapsed and in videos by both Gneeze and myself.
At the end of mine you can hear Shadoo saying "these guys were scammed, I don't know who did it."
Then Mik kyo saying "I Scammed them" The text in local is quite funny.
Blatant Plug
Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:59:00 -
[99]
WILL THIS BE THE END OF PL'S FOTM STATUS?
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Totally Slick
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:01:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Totally Slick on 17/03/2009 23:02:01
Goonswarm does not scam. Our enemies likes to lie about us though.
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Ressurection666
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:12:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Totally Slick
Edited by: Totally Slick on 17/03/2009 23:02:01
Goonswarm does not scam. Our enemies likes to lie about us though.
its all propeganda! where is Dr Gobbels when we need him!?
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MaDeX
XxTiggerxX Corp
United Pod Service
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:17:00 -
[102]
PL suck anyway - I think SOT deserve some credit, those guys are really good.
PL show epeen thats about it.
..I.. to you haters.
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Buster Gonads
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:38:00 -
[103]
Originally by: AkRoYeR
This is the one reason EvE is so successful with alot of people. Total Anarchy breeds not just hardcore criminals but also goes towards proving that Darwin may have been right.
It totally does my head in when people who don't understand Evolution spout about Darwin. For the record, yes, he was right - that is not a debatable point. What is debatable is the process in question. "Survival of the fittest" does not mean survival of the strongest, or the smartest, or the "best" (those are all value judgements). It means survival of those best suited for any given environment. So, for example, Eve may be successfully selecting for asshats; something, it seems to me, that it's almost impossible to deny.
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KeLLaX
HUNLAR the Almighty
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:57:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Mik kyo
Originally by: Exacutor
This Mik Kyo scammer seeing halisunations, he is saying we have stolen moon minerals or something. have you ever checked how many Corparations Named "Bregan Dearthe", "BreganDearte" "Bregan De'arte" ...... and goes on this guy is mixing us withsome one else. Our corp was alt made newly and the pre-corp was Turksquad. We have open Crimson Angels just for uniting 2 corp to join PL, if you check the employement history of the players none of them are in any pirate corp before.So your reasons and scamming isnt true to your story.
I know why you were removed from Scalar :)
And I have chatlogs of you trying to discredit my friend by accusing him of being a spy. Try again.
Well we didn't kick or remove them form the alliance to be honest. Rather, they left the alliance with no notice, losing us a month long work on sov 3, back to no sov.
As a person who know the people who got killed in the process, I can only say I am sorry for the ones who paid for the price of one stupid person's mistake. However, Mik did the right thing. This is just a game, ships that pop are made of binaries, in the end of the day all we got here are manners and values. If you try to ruin the day for someone, someone else end up ruining yours. As I said, there were nice people who paid for the price in the process, but some things are just needed to be done.
I already told them that the person to be blamed here is not Mik or the one called 'spy' but the one who placed the unnecessary accusation and labeling as 'spy'.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:59:00 -
[105]
Pandemic Legion get my seal of approval for what its worth. But my god a pirate alliance pirating whatever next.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:17:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Mr Blue
Edited by: Mr Blue on 17/03/2009 22:36:00
Originally by: Calhontor
I find this very LOL.
Not lol at the fact that the corp lost so many ships and what not but LOL at how pathetic PL really are i mean it really is pathetic adn cannot be justified in any way. A recruitment scam will just bring them closer to their own downfall and yes this shows that PL are GOONS!
oh noes .....our e-honour.
if U doesnt know anyone major in the alliance your joining of a known alliance like PL/Kenny/Goons /whatever. then your prob bether off not applying. or atleast take the app seriously. the same rule is about joining as a member more or less.
Its like going in Harlem as a white 60y old man towards a black hoodie gang and ask to join the gang.
Yep. Totally agree. You cant be trusted, even by the people that want to help you and you don't really care anyway..
You spend all day smoking space-pirate crack and beating up on old ladies.
The black hoodie analogy might be misconstrued as racism though so I'd be careful with that, unless you don't care about racism either ofc..
Rally against the ebil, join the enemies of PL and goon, there are plenty to choose from...
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:20:00 -
[107]
Must keep the troops morale up! Thats one way to keep a camp going.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:25:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Neamus
Yep. Totally agree. You cant be trusted, even by the people that want to help you and you don't really care anyway..
You spend all day smoking space-pirate crack and beating up on old ladies.
The black hoodie analogy might be misconstrued as racism though so I'd be careful with that, unless you don't care about racism either ofc..
Rally against the ebil, join the enemies of PL and goon, there are plenty to choose from...
itt desperate people try to paint an alliance as racist because someone said ''black hoodie'' overall nice play on words, but your mistake is you seem to think that PL cares what anyone thinks of us, we don't, so feel free to bang the drums some more, it only means *~MoaRtArgEtz~*
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:37:00 -
[109]
Originally by: MaDeX
PL suck anyway - I think SOT deserve some credit, those guys are really good.
PL show epeen thats about it.
..I.. to you haters.
PL kicks puppies and eats babies too.
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Creed Demastikus
Bregan Dearthe
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:43:00 -
[110]
Originally by: KeLLaX
Well we didn't kick or remove them form the alliance to be honest. Rather, they left the alliance with no notice, losing us a month long work on sov 3, back to no sov.
ohh realy? we left w/o notice? ask your alliance "secodn" head.. do we realy left w/o notice or not? get your facts right than come here and talk kell.. we have no obligation to inform everyone of the members.. we waited "first" head for a week than move the process.. and sov3 **** be4 us that system have no sov.. even than just a stupid system with no use dont act that system a significant one..
Originally by: KeLLaX
Mik did the right thing.
so u saying whatever the reason is good to scam others.. well yeah i can understand your "thingkin" u like to be "Corp Thief" so no wonder.. on your saying..
Originally by: KeLLaX
but some things are just needed to be done.
too bad we didnt "done" "somethings needed to be done" like u said.. perhaps in time..
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Jarlexly
Bregan Dearthe
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:59:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Jarlexly on 18/03/2009 06:04:48
Refering to Kellax. He is saying we have quit without notice.Cani ask who has moved the POS'es and pos meterials for you. We said we are leaving and your Corps second man want us to set and rechange the POS places for SOV from us. We have moved all your POS'es and POS meterials where did you want. And you are also well known Corp Thief by your comrads.If you ask your beloved corp members and alliance members YOU and YOUR SPY is the primary lamers in SCALAR FEDERATION. So what did "Fahriye Abla" character done is done and he has done it for 1 person. In return Favor will be repay soon, and the consiquences will be paid for one person "Fahriye Abla"
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Rikkard Strofeldt
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:47:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Dianeces
PL kicks puppies and eats babies too.
That reminds me... Its my turn to feed Shamis. Any-one got some babies I can fee... err, ahh, I mean.... adopt?
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:16:00 -
[113]
Everything balances out. Don't think it's all ice cream and lollipops for scammers. Don't think a-holes always win in the end. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Remember the war between SMASH and RA started over someone's friend getting scammed out of a carrier, and the war between Bob and Goons started with making fun of a kid who used to play Eve who died in RL.
Today it's "LOL owned" or "internet spaceships is serious business."
Tommorrow it's "Dude, how can you do this to us, where's your e-honor."
Goons make a good show of not caring if they lose ships, systems, towers, etc, and to an extent all alliances do the same, it's a psychological game of "We don't care, we just want good fights" when in reality someone who just lost a carrier is feeling horrible about it. On the forums he's like "lol good fight" but you know he only killed 2 frigs before he went down and now has to pull out his credit card and buy another time code.
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:43:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Calhontor
I find this very LOL.
Not lol at the fact that the corp lost so many ships and what not but LOL at how pathetic PL really are i mean it really is pathetic adn cannot be justified in any way. A recruitment scam will just bring them closer to their own downfall and yes this shows that PL are GOONS!
You seem to forget the fact that elements of PL have been actual members of GoonSwarm.
Also, this was obviously a Triumvirate thing.
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Mary'Jane
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:46:00 -
[115]
Epic lol |
Cletus Graeme
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:26:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 18/03/2009 08:30:22
Originally by: Buster Gonads
So, for example, Eve may be successfully selecting for asshats; something, it seems to me, that it's almost impossible to deny.
So do you take your continued prescence here as further proof of this theory? ? Just wondering, you know....
Originally by: Exacutor
Lessen well learned and any enemy of Goon/Pandemic is an ally.
Seriously, go back to Empire. 0.0 isn't for you.
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:54:00 -
[117]
YOUR a towl |
Kristina Trepkas
Amarr
The Light Of Other Days
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:56:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Iamien
Lol at how much of a coward you are posting with an alt. Why not just say "Hey it was my corp that fell for this."?
ROFL - a CVA pet calling someone a coward....oh the irony
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:02:00 -
[119]
This thread has been quite entertaining and informative.
Pirates behaving like pirates to other pirates? I can't believe there's so much enmity resulting from this. What did either of you expect? Pirates are not known for their honour. The whole pirate world is mired in treachery and backstabbing. There's precious little trust in Empire, and none in nullsec.
There are always two sides to every story, and its interesting to hear both, but I am surprised that the scammed corp fell for such a ruse. Even if PL made a good job of it, I wouldn't have risked so many important assets in a single journey. A single pilot jumping in and seeing so many people gathered in one system 'for the defence' should have rang more than a few alarm bells.
The OPs corp paid the price for trusting a pirate corp, and being a pirate corp themselves, that's a mistake they shouldn't have made.
I am interested in seeing what happens as a result of this. Have Pandemic Legion shot themselves in the foot and dissuaded potential allies? Will distrust eventually drive a wedge between them and GoonSwarm? The main issue is how do you trust someone who says they are an ally when you have seen them stab someone in the back after saying similar things? They may have had a reason for the recruitment scam, but it is still a scam, and it will cause them problems.
And with GoonSwarm, they may have been formed out of a mutual hatred of BoB, but now BoB have gone, GoonSwarm have supplanted them. Are we now going to see a new alliance created to combat the dominant force? This sort of thing usually happens, where the victorious underdogs go on to be the hated overlords.
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Kristina Trepkas
Amarr
The Light Of Other Days
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:03:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ratchman
This thread has been quite entertaining and informative.
Pirates behaving like pirates to other pirates? I can't believe there's so much enmity resulting from this. What did either of you expect? Pirates are not known for their honour. The whole pirate world is mired in treachery and backstabbing. There's precious little trust in Empire, and none in nullsec.
There are always two sides to every story, and its interesting to hear both, but I am surprised that the scammed corp fell for such a ruse. Even if PL made a good job of it, I wouldn't have risked so many important assets in a single journey. A single pilot jumping in and seeing so many people gathered in one system 'for the defence' should have rang more than a few alarm bells.
The OPs corp paid the price for trusting a pirate corp, and being a pirate corp themselves, that's a mistake they shouldn't have made.
I am interested in seeing what happens as a result of this. Have Pandemic Legion shot themselves in the foot and dissuaded potential allies? Will distrust eventually drive a wedge between them and GoonSwarm? The main issue is how do you trust someone who says they are an ally when you have seen them stab someone in the back after saying similar things? They may have had a reason for the recruitment scam, but it is still a scam, and it will cause them problems.
And with GoonSwarm, they may have been formed out of a mutual hatred of BoB, but now BoB have gone, GoonSwarm have supplanted them. Are we now going to see a new alliance created to combat the dominant force? This sort of thing usually happens, where the victorious underdogs go on to be the hated overlords.
CAOD that way ---->
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Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:06:00 -
[121]
I'm really sorry that we lost the respect amongst the people of empire 
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KeLLaX
HUNLAR the Almighty
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:29:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Creed Demastikus
Originally by: KeLLaX
Well we didn't kick or remove them form the alliance to be honest. Rather, they left the alliance with no notice, losing us a month long work on sov 3, back to no sov.
ohh realy? we left w/o notice? ask your alliance "secodn" head.. do we realy left w/o notice or not? get your facts right than come here and talk kell.. we have no obligation to inform everyone of the members.. we waited "first" head for a week than move the process.. and sov3 **** be4 us that system have no sov.. even than just a stupid system with no use dont act that system a significant one..
Originally by: KeLLaX
Mik did the right thing.
so u saying whatever the reason is good to scam others.. well yeah i can understand your "thingkin" u like to be "Corp Thief" so no wonder.. on your saying..
Originally by: KeLLaX
but some things are just needed to be done.
too bad we didnt "done" "somethings needed to be done" like u said.. perhaps in time..
don't take your anger on me buddy, I already said I feel sorry for the ones who lost their stuff. However you asked for an alliance representative to clear it up when mik told you that you were kicked from the alliance and I explained, that's it.
Btw, YES you had to inform me about your leave as I am a director in holding corp and YES there was sov 3 in that system as you were holding the cyno jammer. Well anyway, no need lead the thread to anymore tearbath... we hold no grudge, I was just saying that I would do the same if I were in mik's place by sayin "some things are needed to be done". [couldn't probably pull it off that well though :P]
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Ironnight
Caldari
x13
X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:44:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Exacutor
Thats all my warnings, this warning list has lived and written.I dont want any other corparation suffer the same fate.Fly safe
Lies, dont you know that they are on the good side of the fight.
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Jarlexly
Bregan Dearthe
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:53:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Jarlexly on 18/03/2009 11:55:01
Edited by: Jarlexly on 18/03/2009 11:54:21
1- Has Bregan Dearthe stolen anything from you as Mik Kyo refering?
2- We have report it to every memeber that we are leaving and your officers made Kursat character make logistic supporting for your POS's to retake the sovs. How come a CEO dont know 1 week POS movements.
3- Even Pirates around the region heard that we are moving from Scalar Space that they have increased activity in the region
4- The day we left your system we directly join the UNIT Alliance (Razor Alt. Alliance) so how come you kicked us.
5- Right now we are in same space and in the same space station how come you havent report these "Stealing and such" stuations to Razor Alliance
6- Do you have any proof that Bregan Dearthe corparation stolen anything from you
7- Please say from here to people how many assets you have earn by Bregan Dearthe Corparation helpings
8- Please tell from here how many POS deployements and logictic supports you have gained by Bregan Dearthe Corparation
9- Please tell from here that how many PVP action you have lived by our forces and prevail that you havent before that much.
10- Dont mix us with the White-ops actions, we are not them and you pretey well know that Kellax
Please answer this questions like man who has honor. I dont care what this PL goon or what ever corp members alliances saying about honer things but as a Turk you know the Honour and answer the questions with your honor.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:55:00 -
[125]
Didn't Nexy go to these guys?? Oh I hope hes alright!
NOT a kublai alt. Honest!
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KeLLaX
HUNLAR the Almighty
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:30:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Jarlexly
Edited by: Jarlexly on 18/03/2009 11:55:01
Edited by: Jarlexly on 18/03/2009 11:54:21
1- Has Bregan Dearthe stolen anything from you as Mik Kyo refering?
2- We have report it to every memeber that we are leaving and your officers made Kursat character make logistic supporting for your POS's to retake the sovs. How come a CEO dont know 1 week POS movements.
3- Even Pirates around the region heard that we are moving from Scalar Space that they have increased activity in the region
4- The day we left your system we directly join the UNIT Alliance (Razor Alt. Alliance) so how come you kicked us.
5- Right now we are in same space and in the same space station how come you havent report these "Stealing and such" stuations to Razor Alliance
6- Do you have any proof that Bregan Dearthe corparation stolen anything from you
7- Please say from here to people how many assets you have earn by Bregan Dearthe Corparation helpings
8- Please tell from here how many POS deployements and logictic supports you have gained by Bregan Dearthe Corparation
9- Please tell from here that how many PVP action you have lived by our forces and prevail that you havent before that much.
10- Dont mix us with the White-ops actions, we are not them and you pretey well know that Kellax
Please answer this questions like man who has honor. I dont care what this PL goon or what ever corp members alliances saying about honer things but as a Turk you know the Honour and answer the questions with your honor.
I never said you stole anything or we kicked you out, I think you read wrong, you should read all over again. I don't want to get involved in this subject any more than I already did. Creed requested an alliance representative to clear out the "kicking/stealing" accusation and so I replied. I don't care what pirates know or not, I care about if I have been told or not so no need for drama. Now back to "PL is evil!! " topic please :P
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:38:00 -
[127]
Originally by: KeLLaX
Originally by: Mik kyo
Originally by: Exacutor
This Mik Kyo scammer seeing halisunations, he is saying we have stolen moon minerals or something. have you ever checked how many Corparations Named "Bregan Dearthe", "BreganDearte" "Bregan De'arte" ...... and goes on this guy is mixing us withsome one else. Our corp was alt made newly and the pre-corp was Turksquad. We have open Crimson Angels just for uniting 2 corp to join PL, if you check the employement history of the players none of them are in any pirate corp before.So your reasons and scamming isnt true to your story.
I know why you were removed from Scalar :)
And I have chatlogs of you trying to discredit my friend by accusing him of being a spy. Try again.
Well we didn't kick or remove them form the alliance to be honest. Rather, they left the alliance with no notice, losing us a month long work on sov 3, back to no sov.
As a person who know the people who got killed in the process, I can only say I am sorry for the ones who paid for the price of one stupid person's mistake. However, Mik did the right thing. This is just a game, ships that pop are made of binaries, in the end of the day all we got here are manners and values. If you try to ruin the day for someone, someone else end up ruining yours. As I said, there were nice people who paid for the price in the process, but some things are just needed to be done.
I already told them that the person to be blamed here is not Mik or the one called 'spy' but the one who placed the unnecessary accusation and labeling as 'spy'.
That's similar to what I was thinking.
Not knowing much about this case (nor caring for more than the luzl), I think what's mostly interesting here has been left out tho. That's more drama/info about Mik's "friend" and what whoever did to him.
Giefv moar drama plix.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:22:00 -
[128]
Gosh, pirates are behaving like pirates.
[i]
Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:13:00 -
[129]
Originally by: RedSplat
Gosh, pirates are behaving like pirates.
Who'd have thought?
A Pirates Perspective
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:52:00 -
[130]
ugh why they move this to C&P I was enjoying trying to goad some eve-o general discussion fanboys into raging :\
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FU22
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 16:29:00 -
[131]
they accidently the whole transport fleet? 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:47:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Gneeznow
ugh why they move this to C&P I was enjoying trying to goad some eve-o general discussion fanboys into raging :\
Probably after the topic turned into a regular C&P pirate vs carebear thread instead of the humorous discussion that was at the beggining. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Flaglagl
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:51:00 -
[133]
Two thoughts:
- Allies of goon? SCAMMING people?! NO WAI!
- Jumping to a neutral cyno character, who is at an unknown destination, without first sending a friendly to scout out said destination? It's obviously not a trap.
OP needs to fail less. PL is hilarious, keep up the good work.
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Kavu
Gnarkill INC
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:38:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Gneeznow
ugh why they move this to C&P I was enjoying trying to goad some eve-o general discussion fanboys into raging :\
yeah now its just gonna get filled up with usless rabble
(like this post)
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:33:00 -
[135]
Pandemic cant be all bad.. They kicked Nexus..
NOT a kublai alt. Honest!
Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. |
Lord Windu
Amarr
Echelon Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:47:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Pandemic cant be all bad.. They kicked Nexus..
Hahaha.
I don't mind PL, had Kirra fly into a camp of theirs once in her Nighthawk and they didn't even bother locking her while I had to slowly GTFO.
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HoeMaster
Malevolent Evolution
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:05:00 -
[137]
Hahaha PL are soooo ebil, no one trust them
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