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Gleanerman
Aio-Exploration Zombie Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:25:00 -
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Ok so, just so you know i am a Carebare, but to be fair this burn jita stuff has forced me back into my rohk, and tonight i will try my first crack at an incursion. Also before i get started id like to applogize in advance, for terrible grammar. O and if i present something in on of my ideas that already happens, Im not a troll, just maybe illinformed on certain matters. People like me play this game only too mine. I personally do this b/c mining lets me play, make isk, and alt tab while i watch movies on netflix, and or interact with my wife/kid, and watch ****. Also i enjoy being in large mining fleets it just makes me feel important, and in RL im a dairy farmer so boring click darg isnt boring im quite used to monotiuns labor. Now that being said i understand most people believe EvE should be a game where anyone can kill anyone at any time for any reason. WIth that i dont have a problem. However i remember my first week playing this game, someone can flipped me. It was almost full i filled it with my bantam, so as you can tell i was PISSED. So i got into my merlin, and attacked the guy. he killed me, and concord came after me. I didnt play for a week. I was upset one, b/c no one told me about can flipping, and two to me it wasnt fair, and i wasnt going to pay 15 a month for something that i could get scrwed at. But it woke me up to the fact that even in Eukra .9 sec i could get killed. Ideas to fix these items
1. There should be parts of space where there is ultra High Security, not many, and not near places like JITA Amarr, Rens etc. These parts of space would work simple you cant lock on a target, other then Asteroids. Now people say O TYPICAL CAREBARE. No in these Super HIGH sec systems there is only Regualr Veldspar. So no one will get rich, and you cant bring anything over t1 into them, so no hulks. Now just like that we have a truely safe place for people starting out to make some isk, and learn the game.
2. Ganking ok so goonie swoops in with 3 tornados, kills my 2 hulks, and almost gets the orca befoee concord gets there right? well how about if your in a fleet, or a corp for that matter if you get suiced ganked anyone can now attack the attacker. Only makes since right? and to even up the mechanic of suiced ganking, how about if you kill my hulk, i can hunt you down and attack you until i kill you once. Seems fair, eye for an eye. Now you might say, well wtf is a carebare gonna do 2 me. Well how about this everyone in the fleet/corp attacked in high sec can also hunt a person down who did the ganking, So now carebares could go out and hire mercs to be in the fleet with them and protect them. it only makes since, kinda like a sheep dog protecting the herd. Am i wrong on this? tbh ive never mined outside of high sec, and ive never mined in a fleet with a protecter, but im pretty sure in high sec if someone in a raven was in the fleet he/she couldnt attack the gangkers concord would have to finsih them off. To me chaning this rule would stop hulkageddon, or make it harder goons would still get actrion, bears would feel safer everyones happy right?
3. Can flipping. When you deploy a jet can it should be your property, someone deploys it you take from it, they pew pew you until you die once. and concord no longer attackes you for deffending YOUR property.. Idk why can flipping is allowed. it really sucks to have this happen 2 you as a newbie.
So sorry in advanced if this is like all wrong. But insted of bears crying, or goons calling bears pussys, how about we rope off a small part of each factional space for newbies, and allow people to have mining fleets with protection i |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:26:00 -
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I didn't read your post but i will say: GSF will never win simply because hardbears don't care enough en masse the way GSF cares. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
72
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:28:00 -
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I came expecting erotic fan-fic. I am thoroughly disappointed. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
431
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:29:00 -
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Gleanerman wrote:
1. There should be parts of space where there is ultra High Security, not many, and not near places like JITA Amarr, Rens etc. These parts of space would work simple you cant lock on a target, other then Asteroids. Now people say O TYPICAL CAREBARE. No in these Super HIGH sec systems there is only Regualr Veldspar. So no one will get rich, and you cant bring anything over t1 into them, so no hulks. Now just like that we have a truely safe place for people starting out to make some isk, and learn the game.
It's called being docked.
They're really crawling out of the woodwork today aren't they? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
786
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:30:00 -
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I'm a bit too swamped to reply right now, but +1 for recognizing and apologizing in advance for poor grammar and the like. Far too many people simply ignore it and assume people will (or should) power through it regardless. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
1464
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:30:00 -
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1) There are the rookie systems which have stricter rules on combat in the name of protecting rookies.
2)You have kill rights against everyone involved in killing your ships, so long as you didn't shoot back as you died. These rights last one month or until you kill them once. As for the fleet thing, once the gankers fire the first shot, they go GCC and anyone can shoot at them freely.
3)If someone steals from your can, you can shoot them and CONCORD won't intervene.
So, uh, I guess you got everything you wanted... uh... Congrats? Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
786
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:32:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:I didn't read your post but i will say: GSF will never win simply because hardbears don't care enough en masse the way GSF cares.
You are aware that bear has a specific meaning in the homosexual community, correct? And thus calling yourself a "hardbear" means, well... I'll let you Google that one for yourself, buddy. ;) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
72
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:34:00 -
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Xython wrote: You are aware that bear has a specific meaning in the homosexual community, correct? And thus calling yourself a "hardbear" means, well... I'll let you Google that one for yourself, buddy. ;)
Let's just say my expectations of erotic fan-fic were not entirely unfounded. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
786
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:35:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:1) There are the rookie systems which have stricter rules on combat in the name of protecting rookies.
2)You have kill rights against everyone involved in killing your ships, so long as you didn't shoot back as you died. These rights last one month or until you kill them once. As for the fleet thing, once the gankers fire the first shot, they go GCC and anyone can shoot at them freely.
3)If someone steals from your can, you can shoot them and CONCORD won't intervene.
So, uh, I guess you got everything you wanted... uh... Congrats?
The problem with #3 is that most people who are in a position where a can would be flipped simply don't have any combat equipment set, often not even having the skills to fit combat gear (i.e., guns) in the first place. It's a complicated mess, I admit -- quite a few fits simply don't have room for guns to be fit. Drones, perhaps? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1566
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:37:00 -
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Gleanerman wrote:People like me play this game only too mine. I personally do this b/c mining lets me play, make isk, and alt tab while i watch movies on netflix, and or interact with my wife/kid, and watch ****. So in other words, you like mining because it allows you to make isk while you're actually doing something else. Why should gameplay for people who actually play the game be restricted, to accommodate someone who's elsewhere, doing something other than playing the game?
EVE should be designed for people who actually play EVE. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
788
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:38:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Xython wrote: You are aware that bear has a specific meaning in the homosexual community, correct? And thus calling yourself a "hardbear" means, well... I'll let you Google that one for yourself, buddy. ;)
Let's just say my expectations of erotic fan-fic were not entirely unfounded.
I'm not quite certain I wish to hear about the erotic adventures of Jacob Staffuer, the "Hard Bear" and his Highsec friends.
(Although I'm quite honestly surprised we haven't seen DBRB / DurHurDur Slash Fic yet. Don't worry, that terrified shudder of revulsion you just felt only means you are still sane.) |
Dungar's Sister
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:39:00 -
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There is a chance I could die in this pvp centric game even after dozens if not hundreds of nerfs over the last 9 years to one sided highsec aggression to make it safer for whiny as hell carebears like myself??? FIX IT CCP OR I WILL STOP SITTING IN HIGHSEC MINING VELDSPAR 13 HOURS A DAY |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
292
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:39:00 -
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I am a bear and I have nothing against Goons. I take advantage of the chaos they cause like a Remora does a shark. I don't care about the tears the fish the shark eats sheds much in the same way as the faster fish know to stay away from the shark's mouth. You dumb*** idiots that haven't been listening to the cello music for the last month are just fish poop now. Hey CCP, tthere is still drone poop in the loot soup! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
788
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Gleanerman wrote:People like me play this game only too mine. I personally do this b/c mining lets me play, make isk, and alt tab while i watch movies on netflix, and or interact with my wife/kid, and watch ****. So in other words, you like mining because it allows you to make isk while you're actually doing something else. Why should gameplay for people who actually play the game be restricted, to accommodate someone who's elsewhere, doing something other than playing the game? EVE should be designed for people who actually play EVE.
He's going to be downright pissed when the mining revamp hits and it's no longer possible to AFK mine at all. =/
Although I suppose I'm one to talk -- I rat in an Ishtar, which is about as AFK as one can get, really. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1330
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:40:00 -
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Xython wrote:I'm a bit too swamped to reply right now, but .....
But...you will continue blathering inanely post after post after post.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
72
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:42:00 -
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Xython wrote:
(Although I'm quite honestly surprised we haven't seen DBRB / DurHurDur Slash Fic yet. Don't worry, that terrified shudder of revulsion you just felt only means you are still sane.)
MY HEAD. WHY WOULD YOU PUT SUCH TERRIBLE IMAGES INTO IT? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
1464
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:42:00 -
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Xython wrote:RubyPorto wrote:1) There are the rookie systems which have stricter rules on combat in the name of protecting rookies.
2)You have kill rights against everyone involved in killing your ships, so long as you didn't shoot back as you died. These rights last one month or until you kill them once. As for the fleet thing, once the gankers fire the first shot, they go GCC and anyone can shoot at them freely.
3)If someone steals from your can, you can shoot them and CONCORD won't intervene.
So, uh, I guess you got everything you wanted... uh... Congrats? The problem with #3 is that most people who are in a position where a can would be flipped simply don't have any combat equipment set, often not even having the skills to fit combat gear (i.e., guns) in the first place. It's a complicated mess, I admit -- quite a few fits simply don't have room for guns to be fit. Drones, perhaps?
OP just said he didn't want to be CONCORDed for defending his property.
And the people who don't keep combat equipment and don't have the skills to fit them are in that position of their own free choice. So I fail to see where that's a game mechanical problem.
Best trap for can flippers: a Recon or BLOPs drops the can the miners work out of, one tanked hulk with a point who reflips the thief's can, then holds the flipper while the combat ship decloaks and makes with the booming. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Xython wrote:I'm a bit too swamped to reply right now, but ..... But...you will continue blathering inanely post after post after post. Mr Epeen
I was having fun with him, but then I made the mistake of making too many hard points, and he pulled a GSF and quietly bowed out to go troll someone else. |
Boomhaur
30
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:46:00 -
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I am enjoying this burn jita thing I am making money off those goons even if they make my life of trading and industrial work harder its more profitable when I bust through to jita. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
281
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:53:00 -
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Gleanerman wrote:1. There should be parts of space where there is ultra High Security, not many, and not near places like JITA Amarr, Rens etc. These parts of space would work simple you cant lock on a target, other then Asteroids. Now people say O TYPICAL CAREBARE. No in these Super HIGH sec systems there is only Regualr Veldspar. So no one will get rich, and you cant bring anything over t1 into them, so no hulks. Now just like that we have a truely safe place for people starting out to make some isk, and learn the game.
Super secure trade areas, with no PvE other than for real newbies, no mining either. I could live with in exchange for a hefty nerf of CONCORD everywhere else. Of course Goons could still run their blockade they would just camp the gates leading to this area rather than the area itself... and they should be able to do that.
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RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Xython wrote:I'm a bit too swamped to reply right now, but ..... But...you will continue blathering inanely post after post after post. Mr Epeen hehe forum one liners and getting on concord kms, such impotent rage. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
291
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:55:00 -
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Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:I didn't read your post but i will say: GSF will never win simply because hardbears don't care enough en masse the way GSF cares. You are aware that bear has a specific meaning in the homosexual community, correct? And thus calling yourself a "hardbear" means, well... I'll let you Google that one for yourself, buddy. ;)
They're really, really into honey? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1110
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:06:00 -
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Xython wrote:(Although I'm quite honestly surprised we haven't seen DBRB / DurHurDur Slash Fic yet. Don't worry, that terrified shudder of revulsion you just felt only means you are still sane.)
Just visit the TEST forums for uncensored hilarity. I kinda feel bad for the GSF forums. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
724
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:28:00 -
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When you "jettison" something from your ship, it's garbage. If it was important to you, you wouldn't jettison it out of your ship. Obtaining anchored, password protected containers - filling your ship, then offloading into them - ensures your can won't be flipped. You have the saving grace that CONCORD still thinks your garbage is yours, and not a menace to navigation, so if someone DOES flip it, you have ten minutes of kill rights.
Don't jetcan mine. That's just dumb. No game mechanic should be changed to accomodate dumb. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
865
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:33:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:I came expecting erotic fan-fic. I am thoroughly disappointed. Is it too late for erotic fan fiction?
I put on my robe and wizards hat.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1122
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:39:00 -
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I'd post some TEST fanfics, but I like posting. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:43:00 -
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Howare you and your furry friends doing third fine morning? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:44:00 -
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Gleanerman wrote:2. Ganking ok so goonie swoops in with 3 tornados, kills my 2 hulks, and almost gets the orca befoee concord gets there right? well how about if your in a fleet, or a corp for that matter if you get suiced ganked anyone can now attack the attacker. Only makes since right? and to even up the mechanic of suiced ganking, how about if you kill my hulk, i can hunt you down and attack you until i kill you once. Seems fair, eye for an eye. Now you might say, well wtf is a carebare gonna do 2 me. Well how about this everyone in the fleet/corp attacked in high sec can also hunt a person down who did the ganking, So now carebares could go out and hire mercs to be in the fleet with them and protect them. it only makes since, kinda like a sheep dog protecting the herd. Am i wrong on this? tbh ive never mined outside of high sec, and ive never mined in a fleet with a protecter, but im pretty sure in high sec if someone in a raven was in the fleet he/she couldnt attack the gangkers concord would have to finsih them off. To me chaning this rule would stop hulkageddon, or make it harder goons would still get actrion, bears would feel safer everyones happy right?
as soon as the ganker starts attacking you anyone can kill him for 15min without CONCORD interference (GCC).
the victim (but not the other fleet members) also gets the right to kill him for 1 month without CONCORD interference (kill rights). |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:53:00 -
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I'm more of a casual pvp'er and mostly carebear... But I have a raging hardon for some members of the swarm right now. Can we be friends? |
Jonah Gravenstein
264
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:26:00 -
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Came expecting someone to have floated a cunning plan involving huge numbers of high sec folks in frigates and cruisers using compentent FC's and GSFs null sec enemies as allies to zergrush GSF space, left disappointed.
Which is a shame really, because that's content. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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