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Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.21 23:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Dex Nederland No, they, the Gallente, are ensuring they avoid the mistake that they made many years ago. They know that now with Caldari space forces controlling the Intaki system that they can re-occupy it and be greeted as liberators. Gods, I'm no fan of the Fed, but I honestly think this wins Paranoia Award of the Year. Are you even setting foot on the actual planet? Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.03.22 01:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Are you even setting foot on the actual planet? No. It seems based on what the Intaki and Gallente here are so worried about that Intaki Prime is under full occupation the State; that the State is investing as much towards Intaki Prime as it is Caldari Prime. That half of the State is employed in the physical occupation of every world in Verge Vendor. As for my sanity and my "conspiracy" theory; Intaki please continue to beg the Gallente for handouts and ** poor defense. Please continue to believe that you need the Federation to protect you from pirates (which they do horribly) and the "evil and greedy" Caldari corporations who will come and take your children in the night. The Federation could have avoided the Intaki system even being listed as a system to be fought over under the terms of the CONCORD Militia Act. The Federation choose to put Intaki on the list. No conspiracy, it is clear that the Federation cares so little for the Intaki homeworld as to allow it to be a vulnerable, low security system, open to occupation. Mr. Ixiris, I don't want your respect! Your respect means nothing to me. You are willing to fight for the freedom of another people from one imperialistic power and yet prefer that your own rest firmly under the domination of another imperial power. While only few systems away, Intaki have thrown off the Federation government's domination. But you, you have bought fully in to the Federation's message, into their propaganda. You are equally devote to the Federation's imperialist message as any member of PIE is to the Amarrian faith. Originally by:** Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Dex Nederland Let the Gallente have Intaki back; the Intaki don't want to unite together and have their homeworld out from under foreign dominated neglect. "WAAAAAAAH! THE INTAKI AREN'T MAKING THE CHOICE I WANT THEM TO MAKE!" No, you are making a choice, and I disagree with it. I accept that you reject the opportunity to pursue freedom. You should be very familiar with this from my current point of view; you have tried to convince many an Ammatar that they have made the wrong choice. In other words, you whine whenever the others don't make the decision you want them to make. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.03.22 02:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Dex Nederland No, you are making a choice, and I disagree with it. I accept that you reject the opportunity to pursue freedom. Why is it that it's only your definition of "freedom" that's acceptable to you? Has it not occured to you that the Intaki might, just possibly, consider themselves sufficiently "free" under the Federation? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2009.03.22 03:26:00 - [34] While me agreeing with Andreus is not as much an earth-shattering event as it might be for others, I'm hard pressed to think of another time when I couldn't agree more. We do speek, Mr. Nederland, even if what we say is not what you want to hear. A factual error: CONCORD is solely responsable for designating what the "legal" combat zones are, not the Federation government. Lowsec Placid now shares a signifigant border with Black Rise and that is the only signifigant factor in determining them; there is only one constilation in the region that is not in the warzone and that is because it is cordoned off from the contitugious lowsec area by a coupple of hisec systems. Originally by: Dex Nederland You assume that Tibus Heth and the Caldari lump the Intaki in with the Gallente, I disagree. History and the Waschi Uprising disagree with you in turn. And fact of the mater is, the majority of Intaki consider themselves loyal to the Federation and are likely to act accordingly, to which the Provits are likely to respond in kind. We grumble about the Federation often enough but we do not have the grudge the Caldari (somewhat justifiably) carry with them. We do not think like Caldari do; there is a reason we have a reputation in the cluster as diplomats, as purveyors of social harmony with other races. And we tried extending that same courtesy to certian Caldari corps including CAIN, we even spoke out for one when it was not popular to do so. See what respect that has gotten us. And you wonder why I don't trust them now! One thing I missed: Originally by: Ladel Teraveda Its quite simple. We found that playing it defensive and wait for them to ravage our worlds and systems were not in the best of interest for the Caldari people. So we made sure they had to concentrate on their own systems where the Caldari people would not suffer from their depredations. Someone else said almost exactly the same thing to me...right before they began a well-known campaign to capture several systems in Black Rise. We see how well that works now, don't we? It's become a pattern, one group flipping occupancy on systems untill they are overextended, then the other group rising to retaliate in kind, untill eventualy it zeros out again. Another in a long history of stalemates going back to the first war. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.03.22 04:21:00 - [35] Edited by: Dex Nederland on 22/03/2009 04:21:07 Originally by: Faraelle Brightman A factual error: CONCORD is solely responsable for designating what the "legal" combat zones are, not the Federation government. Lowsec Placid now shares a signifigant border with Black Rise and that is the only signifigant factor in determining them; there is only one constilation in the region that is not in the warzone and that is because it is cordoned off from the contitugious lowsec area by a coupple of hisec systems. So are you saying that CONCORD, an organization that the Federation, Empire, Republic, State, and Directorate all are party to and fund, put Intaki as a legal combat zone despite the Federation's best diplomats, likely Intaki, calling for review? That is if you don't consider CONCORD to be a vehicle for Gallente (and Amarrian if you prefer) imperialism to begin with. As for the constellations of Placid, fairly certain I can travel from the Wirykomi stations in Vlillirier to the CBT station in Reynire without ever entering Federation high security space; Reynire is a non-combat zone, 4 jumps out from Intaki, a series of sec level 2 systems. Seems that one constellation is not isolated by a pocket of high sec space. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.03.22 04:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Why is it that it's only your definition of "freedom" that's acceptable to you? Perhaps you should ask yourself that question more often. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Damith d'Estelas Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2009.03.22 05:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Dex Nederland Edited by: Dex Nederland on 22/03/2009 04:21:07 So are you saying that CONCORD, an organization that the Federation, Empire, Republic, State, and Directorate all are party to and fund, put Intaki as a legal combat zone despite the Federation's best diplomats, likely Intaki, calling for review? For myself, I'm not privy to the political debate and jockeying which highly likely took place. I'm pretty sure, though, that similar calls for review poured in from diplomats representing all sides, seeking to have this system, that constellation, excluded from the legal combat zone. The fact is, the combat zone was determined by CONCORD, and we're all obliged to operate accordingly. Neither CAIN nor the ILF have a mandate to speak for the Intaki. My people are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves in the political and public channels within the Federation, and need no help from invading Caldari or minority terrorists. In Strix, we have a history with both organisations. CAIN declared war on us to stop us running relief convoys to Caldari systems back in Y109 when the Brothers of Freedom and their supporters were being brutally suppressed by the Caldari authorities. The ILF used to try to subvert our Intaki pilots, with threats of violence on occasions. We despised the ILF then, and continue to do so. They seek to impose their own minority views on the whole Intaki people, regardless of the fact that the vast majority of Intaki want nothing of their so-called "liberation". CAIN, on the other hand... you did then what you felt you had to do with regard to your obligations to the State you serve and protect. We respected that. With regard to Intaki, you took what you saw as a strategic target. Please don't insult our intelligence by trying to present the invasion of the Intaki system as anything more than a military objective. My personal anger at seeing the homeworld of my people under Caldari control... has no place in this war. We tried and failed to prevent you. Rest assured, we are not done. The Intaki system is part of the Federation. "Si vous voulez la paix, prTparez vous a la guerre."
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.22 13:10:00 - [38] The irony is so rich in this discussion I'm nearly choking on it. Doesn't anyone else see what I'm talking about? Anyone at all? Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Jonny Damordred Freecaptains' Union	Posted - 2009.03.22 19:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda The irony is so rich in this discussion I'm nearly choking on it. Doesn't anyone else see what I'm talking about? Anyone at all? Yes, yes I do. I'd say more, but when both sides keep proving me right, why bother? Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Victoria Ehr Caldari Silver Lining Corp Silver Twilight Enterprises	Posted - 2009.03.23 05:41:00 - [40] Very well done, CAIN is a shining example of the elite military machine that is the Caldari. Let this be a message to the Federation. -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Hamish Grayson Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.03.23 08:13:00 - [41] Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 23/03/2009 08:13:52 Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 23/03/2009 08:13:35 Originally by: Faraelle Brightman We do not think like Caldari do; there is a reason we have a reputation in the cluster as diplomats, as purveyors of social harmony with other races...the majority of Intaki consider themselves loyal to the Federation and are likely to act accordingly.. Hamish Grayson leans forward in the display so that the bone structure of his face is plainly clear. Intaki are Caldari. Don't rely on what they teach at Caille or what they sell on the Scope for a representation of life in Waschi City. If you want to know what life is like there you should visit for yourself. It maybe be a real eye opener. The Gallente learned they couldn't conquer with Blaster rifles and orbital strikes during the first war - unfortunately consumer electronics, holo-reels and sugar coated corn flakes make a much more effective and sublte weapon of oppression. Originally by: Damith d'Estelas In Strix, we have a history with both organizations. CAIN declared war on us to stop us running relief convoys to Caldari systems back in Y109 when the Brothers of Freedom... You do realize the very same mysterious backer behind the Brothers of Freedom terrorist and their attacks of civilians is almost certainly the same mysterious backer behind the Provists right? BoF was the first Provist attempt at a coup. ============================================ It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Hamish Grayson Intaki are Caldari. You're **ing kidding me. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!**
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda You're **ing kidding me. THIS IS WHAT CALDARI ACTUALLY BELIEVE.** ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
SolusLunes Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda You're **ing kidding me. THIS IS WHAT CALDARI ACTUALLY BELIEVE.** This is what he actually believes. -------- "Some words change everything. 'Sniper' is one. I'm told 'love' is another. 'Incoming' is pretty big these days..."
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Hamish Grayson Intaki were like the Caldari. Adjusted for clarity; it is clear that the Gallente have been working hard since the War for Independence to indoctrinate the Intaki (and other minorities) into Gallente culture and beliefs. Only a sememblance of Intaki cultural remains (like our own) the rest has been steadily and carefully stripped from them by the Gallente. No, they won't understand what you mean Grayson-haan; they think it means something else, not that we consider them kin, brethern, who have bought into the false promises of equality offered by the Gallente. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris THIS IS WHAT CALDARI ACTUALLY BELIEVE. As if you're helping, Andreus. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Izanami Rei Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:04:00 - [47] I'm beggining to find him more entertaining than threatening smiles Gallentean indoctrination at work, I'm being brainwashed by their goofy ways.
Jada larkin	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:04:00 - [48] Edited by: Jada larkin on 23/03/2009 18:04:58
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:05:00 - [49] Originally by: SolusLunes Originally by: Andreus Ixiris THIS IS WHAT CALDARI ACTUALLY BELIEVE. This is what he actually believes. This is what he doesn't believe I actually believe about what Caldari believe. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Alice Larkin Caldari 101st Caldari Rangers	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:14:00 - [50] What CAIN has done is a shining example to all the Caldari forces. The 101st stands ready to support CAIN. For the state, for New Caldari.
Hamish Grayson Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Dex Nederland No, they won't understand what you mean Grayson-haan; they think it means something else, not that we consider them kin, brethern, who have bought into the false promises of equality offered by the Gallente. I don't just consider them kin, they are kin - the CONCORD dossier doesn't have a checkmark for mixed heritage my friend. ============================================ It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Hamish Grayson My grandfather bled for the State - he has just as much right to citizenship as yours if not more so Guri. If you would listen rather than spout nonsensical dribble you would understand that I questioned your equation of two entirely separate cultures just because you have a hard-on for sabre-rattling, and that I didn't question your family's right to citizenship. Although I would question your sanity. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
SolusLunes Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: SolusLunes Originally by: Andreus Ixiris THIS IS WHAT CALDARI ACTUALLY BELIEVE. This is what he actually believes. This is what he doesn't believe I actually believe about what Caldari believe. My head hurts. I must concede this round to you, sir. :( -------- "Some words change everything. 'Sniper' is one. I'm told 'love' is another. 'Incoming' is pretty big these days..."
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:12:00 - [54] Originally by: SolusLunes My head hurts. I must concede this round to you, sir. :( I declare victory by headache. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Hamish Grayson Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:10:00 - [55] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda If you would listen rather than spout nonsensical dribble you would understand that I questioned your equation of two entirely separate cultures just because you have a hard-on for sabre-rattling, and that I didn't question your family's right to citizenship. Although I would question your sanity. Not that I need to explain myself to Guri, but Miss Bright has let the Scope convince her that State citizens of Intaki heritage are treated like foreigners, like Jaijii by Civire and Deties and used the Waschi uprising of all things as proof. Does it happen under the Heth regime? You bet. In a population as big as the State there are plenty of fools to be found and they do like to congregate. Let some provist thug try it in Waschi city and see how long it takes him to get strung up on Memorial bridge. The Intaki there aren't Jaijii - they are Caldari and will proudly tell you so. ============================================ It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Hamish Grayson The Intaki there aren't Jaijii - they are Caldari and will proudly tell you so. Well, that's good for them. ___ Latest video: War Has Come (720p)

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