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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 07:52:00 -
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I'd like to buy one, but people telling they cost like 120 billion 
It makes no sense to me that they are in the variation info of a normal raven - but not obtainable. Why create a new ship and then make only a few of them ingame, create concupiscence but not give a realistic chance to satisfy it ?
It can't be a matter of protection of confidence of the old owners. Winners of other alliance tournaments didn't get 120-80 billion prizes aswell but only some PLEX worth a few billions. If the price comes down from this ludicrous 12 digit numbers and people can buy it at the price of a mothership, this wouldn't obsolete the other raven hull ships.
Same counts for the other 3 races empire/republich/federation battleships.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.21 07:55:00 -
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Translation: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why is it that the rich have all the nice toys???
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
It makes no sense to me that they are in the variation info of a normal raven - but not obtainable.
They are obtainable. Pony up 120 bill and you're away.
As for making them more easily obtainable... no. You see there would be a tiny balance issue with introducing a ship that's hugely better than everything else it's class. Mission runners already have perfectly good faction BS to increase their earning potential with.
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Uncle Thomas
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:15:00 -
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Navy Raven was 1.4 Bill back in the day. The market price tumbled with the introduction of the LP store.
Who knows, CCP may decide to introduce some more state issue some day.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:27:00 -
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Ok... so...
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:34:00 -
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You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships, for one simple reason: they are utterly, game-breakingly, broken. The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight (probably ending in a very expensive loss). As generally available ships, they would be absurdly overpowered, and instantly make every other battleship in the game redundant.
Best way to fly one? Pay one of the owners to let you borrow it on the test server.
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Vanessa Vasquez
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:34:00 -
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I totaly agree that it's actually ridiculous to have an item in database which is defacto non existant. There would be a way to introduce such ships.
Factional Warefare
I think we can all agree that FW lacks rewards. What could fit better than a State Issue / Federation Issue ect. for those who have accomplished a lot for their nation? Not a LP store thingy which can be farmed to death, no! More like the cosmos agents, you can only access ONCE and you'd need an insane lvl of faction standing towards, i.e. militia.
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships, for one simple reason: they are utterly, game-breakingly, broken. The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight (probably ending in a very expensive loss). As generally available ships, they would be absurdly overpowered, and instantly make every other battleship in the game redundant.
Best way to fly one? Pay one of the owners to let you borrow it on the test server.
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
Who gives a **** about missions, they'd be stupidly overpowered as PvP ships.
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Cyhawk
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Posted - 2009.03.21 08:56:00 -
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State Ravens were Alliance tournament prizes, they will NEVER be given out again. They wernt worth 150 bill when they came out, theyre collectors items, like my collection of Mines.
Get over it, fly a Golem.
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Clocky
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:05:00 -
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So what you want is a Bugatti Veyron for the price of a Ford Fiesta? (<Metaphore)
There is nothing to stop you buying one you just need to have enough isk to make someone part with thiers -).
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
Who gives a **** about missions, they'd be stupidly overpowered as PvP ships.
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart. Probably one of those eBay isk-buyer noobs, who think that if they pay a lot for something, it must wtfpown in pvp - and of course the enemy will do everything to make sure that you lose it for the sake of lolz and because it looks good on a killboard. Since you seem to be a little slow-witted, i'll repeat it again, for the last time: they should be EXPENSIVE and HARD TO GET - not like the Navy Ravens and other mass items. But 5-6 ships for a player base of 250.000 is a little too rare, and the only guy i know who own ones, won't sell his no matter how much isk you offer. They are de facto unobtainable, this shouldn't be, no one asks for them to become a commonly used ship.
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Clocky
So what you want is a Bugatti Veyron for the price of a Ford Fiesta? (<Metaphore)
There is nothing to stop you buying one you just need to have enough isk to make someone part with thiers -).
If you'd think for a second you'd see that your Metaphor speaks against what you say. I asked it for a price of 20 billion.
If you compare the Ford Fiesta with a raven, that costs 100 million, i want to have the state raven for 200 times as much. A new Ford Fiesta will cost approx. 10.000 US$, 200 times as much is 2 million US$. You see i don't ask something that makes no sense, even in a metaphoric way.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
I'd like to buy one, but people telling they cost like 120 billion
It makes no sense to me that they are in the variation info of a normal raven - but not obtainable. Why create a new ship and then make only a few of them ingame, create concupiscence but not give a realistic chance to satisfy it ?
It can't be a matter of protection of confidence of the old owners. Winners of other alliance tournaments didn't get 120-80 billion prizes aswell but only some PLEX worth a few billions. If the price comes down from this ludicrous 12 digit numbers and people can buy it at the price of a mothership, this wouldn't obsolete the other raven hull ships.
Same counts for the other 3 races empire/republich/federation battleships.
You can buy one though, you just have to pay 120b+ or whatever the seller is willing to accept.
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Zhure
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:27:00 -
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This is the most moronic thing Ive seen on this forum sofar. 
Someone asking to buy a ship like that for more or less nothing.
If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it.
CCP will not be seeding more of them, they have said that.
There are very very very very very very very ( get the picture ?? ) of them out there compared to Navy ravens, thus the huge pricetag.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
If the price comes down from this ludicrous 12 digit numbers and people can buy it at the price of a mothership, this wouldn't obsolete the other raven hull ships.
You're missing the point of the State Raven. It's not meant to obsolete anything, nor is it meant to be compared to anything. It's bling. It's a mantlepiece ornament. It's bragging rights. As such, its price has nothing to do with its performance (because the performance is "none").
Adding more to the game to bring the price down would mean no-one would buy it, since it would then neither be bling or give you bragging rights, and since it would be re-balanced to be in-line with the other Ravens, it wouldn't be particularly interesting to own for any reason.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships, for one simple reason: they are utterly, game-breakingly, broken. The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight (probably ending in a very expensive loss). As generally available ships, they would be absurdly overpowered, and instantly make every other battleship in the game redundant.
Best way to fly one? Pay one of the owners to let you borrow it on the test server.
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
You might also notice little extra differences like the whopping drone bay, massive extra fittings, far more hp, etc etc.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:38:00 -
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Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo.
So shove Faction Ammo into the CNR? Plus it's got a ton more shield if you didn't notice. Leave them as the rewards that they are (or were), unless you want to harp on about bringing in Silver and Gold Magnates, Yachts and the Interbus and Christmas presents in as mainstream items too.
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zhure
This moronic thing Ive seen on this forum sofar. is the most
Someone asking to buy a ship like that for more or less nothing.
20-30 billion is a lot of isk. For the average missionrunner thats up to 1000 hours of active mission-running. Even more for miners or the average belt-ratters. It's not nothing. It's more than you probably will ever have.
Originally by: Zhure
If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it.
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Everyone that is not a complete moron like you, knows that they are so expensive because there are only a couple of them out there, it's not a big insight that you discover here, it's evident and was never questioned. My proposal was to make them a little more common - still very hard to get but not just a fixed number of only a few ships, that is never going to increase.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:42:00 -
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If they were made more common they'd have to be rebalanced.
If they were rebalanced people, or even if they became more commonplace, they would be less appealing.
I really don't see how it affects you not having one. You're never going to see them flying around, their value negates any use in PvE or PvP so it's somewhat academic how much faster they would be for missions, or how they would fare in PvP.
They are collectors items, and 120b+ is what they cost. That's the bottom line.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
My proposal was to make them a little more common - still very hard to get but not just a fixed number of only a few ships, that is never going to increase.
And the counter-question is: why? Their whole reason to exist is to be unobtainable. Add more and you might as well remove them.
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Zhure
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:47:00 -
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Well I have my 20-30 bill and more, and I am a missionrunner.
And it does seem here that you the only one who thinks that this rare ship should be seeded more to make it cheaper and thus also wash out the meaning of it.
But if you as a missionrunner yourself ( making the assumption that you are one ) cant make a couple of billions a week, then your doing something wrong. And with that income it shouldnt take you more than a couple of months to being able to buy your state raven if you can get Entity or one of the others who has one to sell one to you.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:51:00 -
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well there are like , 3 ? of these state/imperial/tribal/fedaration issue ships left ?
why bother whining about them , like someone pointed out they are overpowered beyond imagination lol.
state issue raven dishes out well over 2000 dps with torps ....
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Research Shizzle
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:52:00 -
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They're trophies....nothing more, nothing less. You make them more common, and they lose their entire purpose. Should every Olympic athlete get a gold medal even if they don't win?
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.21 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart. Probably one of those eBay isk-buyer noobs, who think that if they pay a lot for something, it must wtfpown in pvp - and of course the enemy will do everything to make sure that you lose it for the sake of lolz and because it looks good on a killboard. Since you seem to be a little slow-witted, i'll repeat it again, for the last time: they should be EXPENSIVE and HARD TO GET - not like the Navy Ravens and other mass items. But 5-6 ships for a player base of 250.000 is a little too rare, and the only guy i know who own ones, won't sell his no matter how much isk you offer. They are de facto unobtainable, this shouldn't be, no one asks for them to become a commonly used ship.
Paging Tyrrax Thorrk to this thread.
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Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Zhure
This moronic thing Ive seen on this forum sofar. is the most
Someone asking to buy a ship like that for more or less nothing.
20-30 billion is a lot of isk. For the average missionrunner thats up to 1000 hours of active mission-running. Even more for miners or the average belt-ratters. It's not nothing. It's more than you probably will ever have.
Originally by: Zhure
If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it.
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Everyone that is not a complete moron like you, knows that they are so expensive because there are only a couple of them out there, it's not a big insight that you discover here, it's evident and was never questioned. My proposal was to make them a little more common - still very hard to get but not just a fixed number of only a few ships, that is never going to increase.
OK, let's look at it another way:
You're not getting one, so deal with it.
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Kia Corallis
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Posted - 2009.03.21 10:54:00 -
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I was busy flying my raven thinking I was quite good, dreaming of the day I could get a Navy Issue Raven, wow, Imagine my surprise to go into caldari space and see every man and his dog in CNR's and Golems, rather humbling.
I now have earned my own CNR and am very proud of it, I worked hard for it, yes I would also love to get a state issue, who wouldn't, they need to be rare and hard to get, my single CNR is my pride and joy, for state issue owners it will no doubt be the same, bragging rights and all that jazz, the last thing I want to see is mission runners all running around in state issues negating the attraction of them.
they are very are and better than the rest, lets leave it that way, leave the dream there until you get to earn one the hard way, buying them is simply a stupid way to get it in game
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Kia Corallis
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:01:00 -
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I think State Issues should only be given in exceptional circumstances to pilots who are insanely loyal to the state and have repeatedly performed the 'heroic acts', with the woe betide anyone who loses his, bring out the suicide option for those that do, they are flagships, symbols of the pride and might of the caldari, (same applies to the other factions), lets never bring it down to the rich mans ship, it demeans the ship and the symbology of what flying that ship means, who you are and what you have done to earn it, it is a visable reward to pilots, not a purchase down the local shop the navy ones are now.
point taken ?
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kia Corallis
I think State Issues should only be given in exceptional circumstances to pilots who are insanely loyal to the state and have repeatedly performed the 'heroic acts', with the woe betide anyone who loses his, bring out the suicide option for those that do, they are flagships, symbols of the pride and might of the caldari, (same applies to the other factions), lets never bring it down to the rich mans ship, it demeans the ship and the symbology of what flying that ship means, who you are and what you have done to earn it, it is a visable reward to pilots, not a purchase down the local shop the navy ones are now.
point taken ?
they shouldn't and won't get given away anymore.
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Vegeta
Minmatar
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Vegeta on 21/03/2009 11:26:56
When these ships were created it was intended that ten would be given out every tournament. Originally it would have meant a huge price tag, but as more people acquired them the price would have gone down and we might have seen them used occasionally. At 20 ships/year they still would have maintained their legendary status but also be available to those who were willing to pay top dollar. Remember that the 20 ships were supposed to be split between three battleships for each faction, making a total of 12 available ships. With more ships coming into the game, the owners would have been encouraged to sell because they knew that more ships are coming in 5 months time and that meant the price would have probably gone down.
However, when the alliance tournament changed these policies were changed and the prices for the original ships have stayed high as a result (even if the prices you said are only speculation because as far as I'm aware, none of these ships have been sold for years).
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 21/03/2009 11:57:37
Let's fix a couple of rageresponses here
-ccp has never said they will NEVER RELEASE another one of these ships. They have stated it was possible but unlikely they would show up in the LP store one day.
-as stated above, ccp didn't intend for there to be such a limited number of these ships available.
-not stated in the thread: CCP has stated they never intended these ships to carry a blackmarket tag of 80+billion isk. Never was supposed to happen.
Those crying that rare ships should remain rare have a point.
Those flaming OP and telling him CCP never intended for more of these to be in the game couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, when you look at what little CCP has said about the two ships, the odds are more for more of these ships ending up in the game (nerfed or not) as their current status, availability and price tag came about by happenstance, not by design. 
Originally by: Malcanis
You're not getting one, so deal with it.
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
they shouldn't and won't get given away anymore.
Originally by: Tippia
Their whole reason to exist is to be unobtainable. Add more and you might as well remove them.
Originally by: Zhure
CCP will not be seeding more of them, they have said that.
Originally by: Cyhawk
they will NEVER be given out again.
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships...
...The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight
Whats that saying? If you repeat something enough times people will believe it to be true?
I wouldn't get your hopes up, but dont listen to these posers.
CCP has never stated anything hinting that the status quo was intended nor have they ever stated whether they would or wouldn't be releasing more of them in the game. They only thing they have stated is what i detailed above / what the GHSC guy said at the bottom of the last page.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:32:00 -
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Look, they're vastly unbalanced. The only way they're going to be available is if SOE buy out CCP. Then you will be able to buy 'em for $1000, or 3 for $2499.
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:40:00 -
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State Issue ships will be made available for the "common man" eventually. I predict this because CCP are constantly looking for cost-effective ways to add new content, and what better way to add new content (say for the FW "endgame" or a truly Epic Mission Arc or whatever) than to use currently existing content?
Look at the Magnate. For years there were only the Gold and Silver Magnates. Then CCP (finally) realised that the Amarr were missing a frigate in their ship lineup, so in came the Magnate.
Same thing with the Apotheosis. Just dig out an old hull design from way back then, slap on the shuttle specs and it's good to go.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
State Issue ships will be made available for the "common man" eventually. I predict this because CCP are constantly looking for cost-effective ways to add new content, and what better way to add new content (say for the FW "endgame" or a truly Epic Mission Arc or whatever) than to use currently existing content?
Look at the Magnate. For years there were only the Gold and Silver Magnates. Then CCP (finally) realised that the Amarr were missing a frigate in their ship lineup, so in came the Magnate.
Same thing with the Apotheosis. Just dig out an old hull design from way back then, slap on the shuttle specs and it's good to go.
It'll happen. Just don't hold your breath for it.
There's a hell of a lot more "easy" content CCP could add before they're forced to make these game-breaking pwnmobiles available.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 21/03/2009 11:57:37
Let's fix a couple of rageresponses here
-ccp has never said they will NEVER RELEASE another one of these ships. They have stated it was possible but unlikely they would show up in the LP store one day.
-as stated above, ccp didn't intend for there to be such a limited number of these ships available.
-not stated in the thread: CCP has stated they never intended these ships to carry a blackmarket tag of 80+billion isk. Never was supposed to happen.
Those crying that rare ships should remain rare have a point.
Those flaming OP and telling him CCP never intended for more of these to be in the game couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, when you look at what little CCP has said about the two ships, the odds are more for more of these ships ending up in the game (nerfed or not) as their current status, availability and price tag came about by happenstance, not by design.
Originally by: Malcanis
You're not getting one, so deal with it.
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
they shouldn't and won't get given away anymore.
Originally by: Tippia
Their whole reason to exist is to be unobtainable. Add more and you might as well remove them.
Originally by: Zhure
CCP will not be seeding more of them, they have said that.
Originally by: Cyhawk
they will NEVER be given out again.
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships...
...The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight
Whats that saying? If you repeat something enough times people will believe it to be true?
I wouldn't get your hopes up, but dont listen to these posers.
CCP has never stated anything hinting that the status quo was intended nor have they ever stated whether they would or wouldn't be releasing more of them in the game. They only thing they have stated is what i detailed above / what the GHSC guy said at the bottom of the last page.
True words. Probably the listed people are the alts of one or two persons anyways.
As to the PVP imbalance arguement:
I'll beat a State Issue Raven with my Golem anytime. Better cap regen, huge shield boost bonus, better resistances and 3 utility slots for Nos/Neuts will compensate the little extra damage and the additional few thousands bufferpoints. Not to mention the TP bonus and the higher missile explosion velocity on a Golem, which makes it much better against anything faster/smaller than a battleship.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 21/03/2009 11:57:37
Let's fix a couple of rageresponses here
-ccp has never said they will NEVER RELEASE another one of these ships. They have stated it was possible but unlikely they would show up in the LP store one day.
-as stated above, ccp didn't intend for there to be such a limited number of these ships available.
-not stated in the thread: CCP has stated they never intended these ships to carry a blackmarket tag of 80+billion isk. Never was supposed to happen.
Those crying that rare ships should remain rare have a point.
Those flaming OP and telling him CCP never intended for more of these to be in the game couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, when you look at what little CCP has said about the two ships, the odds are more for more of these ships ending up in the game (nerfed or not) as their current status, availability and price tag came about by happenstance, not by design.
Originally by: Malcanis
You're not getting one, so deal with it.
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
they shouldn't and won't get given away anymore.
Originally by: Tippia
Their whole reason to exist is to be unobtainable. Add more and you might as well remove them.
Originally by: Zhure
CCP will not be seeding more of them, they have said that.
Originally by: Cyhawk
they will NEVER be given out again.
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships...
...The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight
Whats that saying? If you repeat something enough times people will believe it to be true?
I wouldn't get your hopes up, but dont listen to these posers.
CCP has never stated anything hinting that the status quo was intended nor have they ever stated whether they would or wouldn't be releasing more of them in the game. They only thing they have stated is what i detailed above / what the GHSC guy said at the bottom of the last page.
True words. Probably the listed people are the alts of one or two persons anyways.
As to the PVP imbalance arguement:
I'll beat a State Issue Raven with my Golem anytime. Better cap regen, huge shield boost bonus, better resistances and 3 utility slots for Nos/Neuts will compensate the little extra damage and the additional few thousands bufferpoints. Not to mention the TP bonus and the higher missile explosion velocity on a Golem, which makes it much better against anything faster/smaller than a battleship.
Gravimetric ECM II on the State Raven = oh dear you lose.
Oh hey look, 6 low slots as well. And it can use 5x heavy drones.
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
Who gives a **** about missions, they'd be stupidly overpowered as PvP ships.
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart. Probably one of those eBay isk-buyer noobs, who think that if they pay a lot for something, it must wtfpown in pvp - and of course the enemy will do everything to make sure that you lose it for the sake of lolz and because it looks good on a killboard. Since you seem to be a little slow-witted, i'll repeat it again, for the last time: they should be EXPENSIVE and HARD TO GET - not like the Navy Ravens and other mass items. But 5-6 ships for a player base of 250.000 is a little too rare, and the only guy i know who own ones, won't sell his no matter how much isk you offer. They are de facto unobtainable, this shouldn't be, no one asks for them to become a commonly used ship.
You aren't from around here are you?
First, rich people WILL take stupidly expensive ships into PvP for a 15% increase in combat strength.
Second, ANYTHING that is possible to obtain by standard means such as farming FW plexes or similar will be farmed to death, simply because there will be huge demand. Navy ravens should be hard to get, since they take weeks of mission running, but they are farmed because they can make a profit when sold and the missions make money themselves.
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Johann Callasan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Zhure
This moronic thing Ive seen on this forum sofar. is the most
Someone asking to buy a ship like that for more or less nothing.
20-30 billion is a lot of isk. For the average missionrunner thats up to 1000 hours of active mission-running. Even more for miners or the average belt-ratters. It's not nothing. It's more than you probably will ever have.
You've never sold PLEX, have you?
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Originally by: Zhure
If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it.
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Everyone that is not a complete moron like you, knows that they are so expensive because there are only a couple of them out there, it's not a big insight that you discover here, it's evident and was never questioned. My proposal was to make them a little more common - still very hard to get but not just a fixed number of only a few ships, that is never going to increase.
Since the concept of a "collector's item" apparently is lost on you...
The ONLY reason the various special edition ships are in the database is for COMPLETENESS.
These ships are not commonly available, but they still exist in-game. They are prizes, and unlike many other conmpanies CCP doesn't ruin anyone's special trinket by making more of 'em,
They recognize the concept of a special reward - and that to keep players happy, the rewards must remain special.
What it boils down to is that only thise who have a State Raven right now are the ones who will still have 'em later on..unless they do somethign stupid like move it out of it's hangar. They're not gonna be mass-marketed, they're not gonna be inthe LP store - because having one means something, whether or not you're the player who originally had it awarded to 'em. And again, CCP"s not going to cheapen or remove that meaning. In that respect, they're a LOT smarter than other MMO companies.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:57:00 -
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Wouldn't it be ****ing awesome if there was a say, a way to earn them for outstanding performance in service to your factions militia navy? 
Make some new badges.
DUTY - A badge awarded for 1000 militia kills
SKILL - A badge awarded for a 50 kill streak without being podded
COMMITMENT - A badge for 20 kills/assists in one day
HONOUR - Lose your ship within 5 minutes of 100 fellow militia comrades losing theirs
COURAGE - A badge for 1 billion isk lost in combat
Collect them all and receive the Superfaction Battleship of your militias race. 
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Imertu Solientai
You aren't from around here are you?
First, rich people WILL take stupidly expensive ships into PvP for a 15% increase in combat strength.
Second, ANYTHING that is possible to obtain by standard means such as farming FW plexes or similar will be farmed to death, simply because there will be huge demand. Navy ravens should be hard to get, since they take weeks of mission running, but they are farmed because they can make a profit when sold and the missions make money themselves.
So, what's wrong about this ? They might bring it once or twice and then they are not rich anymore. Don't make an assumption of a general behaviour based on a foolish act of an individual. A fool and his isk are soon parted. Or do you prefer they spend the isk for a capital ship fleet instead, and fight you with a carrier gang instead a somewhat improved raven ?
Also you shouldn't make statements like "You aren't from around here are you?" when you don't even know the very basic things about rare ships, such as that the current source of Navy Ravens is not the LP store (check the current cnr market price and lp store requirements before you question this).
Originally by: Johann Callasan
You've never sold PLEX, have you?
Before you spend ~1000 US$ for a internet pixel spaceship that can be destroyed anytime and that you even don't own, i'd propose to invest that money for a few sessions with a mental health doctor.
Originally by: Zhure
If you want to get a grasp about why people charge as much for it.
Since the concept of a "collector's item" apparently is lost on you...
The ONLY reason the various special edition ships are in the database is for COMPLETENESS.
These ships are not commonly available, but they still exist in-game. They are prizes, and unlike many other conmpanies CCP doesn't ruin anyone's special trinket by making more of 'em,
They recognize the concept of a special reward - and that to keep players happy, the rewards must remain special.
What it boils down to is that only thise who have a State Raven right now are the ones who will still have 'em later on..unless they do somethign stupid like move it out of it's hangar. They're not gonna be mass-marketed, they're not gonna be inthe LP store - because having one means something, whether or not you're the player who originally had it awarded to 'em. And again, CCP"s not going to cheapen or remove that meaning. In that respect, they're a LOT smarter than other MMO companies.
CCP didn't say they are collector items only. A ship is designed to be used in game, not to rot in a hanger. I also mentioned in the OP that the reward of that ship is OUT OF LINE WITH OTHER TOURNAMENT REWARDS if the ships remain that rare. Why do you think the winners of that special tournament deserve items worth 100b+, while the winners of other tournaments only get stuff below 10 billion ? Oh, because they were BoB and BoB deserves extra love from the devs ??
The reward remains special if it costs like 20-30 billion aswell. And if there were some more of that ships in game (I AM NOT ASKING TO MAKE THEM A MASS MARKET ITEM !!! ARGS HOW OFTEN DO I HAVE O REPEAT THAT ???!??) it would make a lot more people happy than only the handful of current owners, who hardly dare to undock the ships anways because of their rarity.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Wouldn't it be ****ing awesome if there was a say, a way to earn them for outstanding performance in service to your factions militia navy?
Make some new badges.
DUTY - A badge awarded for 1000 militia kills
SKILL - A badge awarded for a 50 kill streak without being podded
COMMITMENT - A badge for 20 kills/assists in one day
HONOUR - Lose your ship within 5 minutes of 100 fellow militia comrades losing theirs
COURAGE - A badge for 1 billion isk lost in combat
Collect them all and receive the Superfaction Battleship of your militias race.
4/5 of those would be trivially easy to farm. HONOUR would take a little more effort, but for a State raven, you'd find 101-strong gangs in the caldari milita warping unfitted condors right into a few conveniently-placed gallante militia smartbombing BS.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 21/03/2009 14:55:57
You're forgetting one important point.
Their value is player-derived. CCP have never specified a value for them because they were gifts. They don't even have a base value you can ascertain from the bill of materials x time/effort required to build.
The ship is only "worth" 120b+ because that's what the players believe based on aggregate wealth that exists in the game. 120b, frankly, is just an arbitrary number - the ships are to all intents and purposes priceless.
That being said - as already stated - if 120b is the price, then if you aren't prepared to pay that then that's tough luck. That is (at least) how much they cost, if you can't afford that or aren't willing to pay it - well move along please.
Your problem is one of a entitlement mentality. You are not entitled to everything that has ever existed in the game, no matter how hard you work at it. You just need to accept that there are items in the game, like these ships, that either no longer spawn at all or were one-off prizes.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:57:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 21/03/2009 14:58:51
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Wouldn't it be ****ing awesome if there was a say, a way to earn them for outstanding performance in service to your factions militia navy?
Make some new badges.
DUTY - A badge awarded for 1000 militia kills
SKILL - A badge awarded for a 50 kill streak without being podded
COMMITMENT - A badge for 20 kills/assists in one day
HONOUR - Lose your ship within 5 minutes of 100 fellow militia comrades losing theirs
COURAGE - A badge for 1 billion isk lost in combat
Collect them all and receive the Superfaction Battleship of your militias race.
LF2M, Healer and Tank for quick badge run!
Oh, and btw, complaining about the state ravens? What about us Gallente pilots. There is ONE Federation Issue Megathron, owned by Entity. And if he wanted to sell it (something he won't) he could charge pretty much exactly what he wanted for it.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.21 15:50:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You are never, ever going to see the State Raven or Tempest available like normal ships, for one simple reason: they are utterly, game-breakingly, broken. The only reason they were released is because CCP knows that the few that currently exist will spend 99% of their time as hangar ornaments or SiSi toys, maybe getting into the occasional epic fight (probably ending in a very expensive loss). As generally available ships, they would be absurdly overpowered, and instantly make every other battleship in the game redundant.
Best way to fly one? Pay one of the owners to let you borrow it on the test server.
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
Have you seen their Shield/Armor/Structure stats?
Look again. Look close.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
Look at the Magnate. For years there were only the Gold and Silver Magnates. Then CCP (finally) realised that the Amarr were missing a frigate in their ship lineup, so in came the Magnate.
Uhm, the magnate model was reused but its not like we get to use the actual golden/silver magnate. By that argument you could tell the OP to use a Raven/Golem/CNR because its the same model as the State Issue.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:05:00 -
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lol if you think the special bs aren't overpowered there is something wrong with you ....
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:05:00 -
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No level of mission grinding should ever by it self earn you the right of acquiring a State Issue Raven, though after enough grinding you will maybe have enough isk to buy one from one who owns it.
Now putting a lot at risk and showing great skill by winning the Alliance Tournament that is something completely different. If you were trying to make a case that a single State Issue Raven (or a similar faction ship of choice) should be rewarded to winners of the Alliance Tournament, I would support you.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:28:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
True words. Probably the listed people are the alts of one or two persons anyways.
No, just ignorant. And you're wrong as well.
How can it be so hard to understand the point of a collector's item?
Also, the question still remains: why should more of them be given out?
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:35:00 -
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I flew a Fed Mega on sisi, had officer fit, man that **** was freakin' overkill...
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
True words. Probably the listed people are the alts of one or two persons anyways.
No, just ignorant. And you're wrong as well.
How can it be so hard to understand the point of a collector's item?
This question has been answered above by Princess Alia and Hobogoblin 11, you obviously lack the intelligence to understand it. Who said that this is a collector item ? CCP did not, they just made a ship and stopped giving it out as an alliance tournament reward after doing it once.
At no point they said that this ship is meant to remain rare. They can decide to make more of that ships whenever they want. Their rarity is neither officially intended nor guaranteed, that's why they are not genuine collector items. Therefore your view of a collector's item point is irrelevant and meaningless.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 17:56:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Tippia on 21/03/2009 17:57:16
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Tippia
How can it be so hard to understand the point of a collector's item?
This question has been answered above by Princess Alia and Hobogoblin 11
No, but that's ok. You obviously lack the intelligence to know what an answer is (although I suspect that in reality, it is actually the question you fail to understand). "I don't want it to be a collector's item" is not an answer (quite the opposite, in fact), and that's as far as their reasoning go.
A good answer would entail showing that the whole point of it being a collector's item is somehow bad for the game, and that everyone would be better off if the value of these unique items were dilluted. That would also go a long way towards answering my second question.
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Who said that this is a collector item ? CCP did not, they just made a ship and stopped giving it out as an alliance tournament reward after doing it once.
There's your answer and once again, you fail to spot it. It's a collector's item because it's rare enough to be worth collecting. Welcome to EVE: the players decide these things around here, so my view is as relevant and meaningful as they come. It's ok, though — you'll learn these things as you grow older…
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.03.21 17:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Malcanis
There's a hell of a lot more "easy" content CCP could add before they're forced to make these game-breaking pwnmobiles available.
True. But I never said they would be forced to. If anything, they will add it of their own free will. And in regards to Faction Warfare, can you think of anything better as an "endgame" reward?
The above question, of course, only applies once CCP starts doing something serious with Factional Warfare, instead of letting it flap around like a dying fish. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:32:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Zaknussem
Originally by: Malcanis
There's a hell of a lot more "easy" content CCP could add before they're forced to make these game-breaking pwnmobiles available.
True. But I never said they would be forced to. If anything, they will add it of their own free will. And in regards to Faction Warfare, can you think of anything better as an "endgame" reward?
The above question, of course, only applies once CCP starts doing something serious with Factional Warfare, instead of letting it flap around like a dying fish.
Even as a FW reward they're not a good idea. FW stats are far too susceptible to farming efforts; it really doesn't take much imagination to conceive of some players starting a set of FW corps specifically set up to do so, tucked away in some secluded bit of lo-sec - and for rewards of that scale, you can bet that they would. Hell, I would; I'd love a state raven, and maybe an Impoc too, for my own use, and what the hell, I might as well get a few more to sell. With T1 frigates and smartbombing BS, we could generate any stats required in a few days of grinding, with minimal expenditure and it wouldn't even cause a sec-hit.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Reapers
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:50:00 -
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The issue of price is rather stale. Its more a case of the issue of availablity of the Tribal Temptest and the State Raven.
When they came out as prizes, they got sold to the highist bidder. A lot of eve players have hundreds of billions in their wallets, so people like Entity etc buyng them for 80bil created a situation where people were accusing CCP for unfair play, justifying the actions of the player market without relising that the player market always goes crazy for the fist edition of stuff. Heck, the first rokhs went for 1bil+ each and the first few drakes did the same.
So CCP ended up no longer offering any prize that can be of any special trading value due to the players anti-ccp stance.
Its sadly the reason why it is very unlikely that we would see a State issue raven or a Tribal temptest in a LP store or whatever anytime soon, since that would require them to nerf the existing editions, which would upset the collecters. Its unlikely they can even introduce new editions on a prize basis since players will claim favoritism again.
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.22 06:45:00 -
[55]
Edited by: iudex on 22/03/2009 06:45:32
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zaknussem
True. But I never said they would be forced to. If anything, they will add it of their own free will. And in regards to Faction Warfare, can you think of anything better as an "endgame" reward?
The above question, of course, only applies once CCP starts doing something serious with Factional Warfare, instead of letting it flap around like a dying fish.
Even as a FW reward they're not a good idea. FW stats are far too susceptible to farming efforts; it really doesn't take much imagination to conceive of some players starting a set of FW corps specifically set up to do so, tucked away in some secluded bit of lo-sec - and for rewards of that scale, you can bet that they would. Hell, I would; I'd love a state raven, and maybe an Impoc too, for my own use, and what the hell, I might as well get a few more to sell. With T1 frigates and smartbombing BS, we could generate any stats required in a few days of grinding, with minimal expenditure and it wouldn't even cause a sec-hit.
It's not susceptible to farming, Faction Warfare missions and plexes are actually one of the few activities in eve that you can't simply farm.
You can farm missions in highsec, if you enter a noobcorp no one can stop you.
Or you can farm missions ore and plexes deep in 0.0, since there is hardly anyone around to stop you. But not in high populated lowsec and especially not in Faction Warfare sites, since they are open to warp in for everyone.
It is constantly roamed by pirate gangs and fleets, people with -10 sec that shoot everyone, and it will be roamed by enemy gangs and fleets. Especially if a decent reward comes into play, the activities in Faction Warfare regions will rise even more.
You won't farm there in peace like in highsec or 0.0, you will have a pve challenge (since faction warfare missions are harder than normal ones and can't be entered with over-sized ships) and you will have a substantial pvp risk, which is higher than anywhere else in Eve.
That's why Faction Warfare (lp store or victory points, maybe even combined with rank and pvp kills) could be the best way and place for a distribution of high value items.
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Mawusi
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Posted - 2009.03.22 08:06:00 -
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You could quite easily make them available without flooding the game with them.
An easy example of how this could be achieved would to to create a special 10/10 hidden complex that spawns a 1 run State Issue Raven BPC......then just have that complex respawn somewhere else say 1 month later.
That way you are only allowing 12 new ships to be introduced every year. On a player base of 50k+ that's a drop in the ocean, but it at least makes the ship obtainable and might encourage its use.
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Guer
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:28:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Who gives a **** about missions, they'd be stupidly overpowered as PvP ships.
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart. Probably one of those eBay isk-buyer noobs, who think that if they pay a lot for something, it must wtfpown in pvp - and of course the enemy will do everything to make sure that you lose it for the sake of lolz and because it looks good on a killboard. Since you seem to be a little slow-witted, i'll repeat it again, for the last time: they should be EXPENSIVE and HARD TO GET - not like the Navy Ravens and other mass items. But 5-6 ships for a player base of 250.000 is a little too rare, and the only guy i know who own ones, won't sell his no matter how much isk you offer. They are de facto unobtainable, this shouldn't be, no one asks for them to become a commonly used ship.
ahahahahahahahaha
moron
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Incantare
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:28:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Incantare on 22/03/2009 11:28:59
I'd rather they stay rare rather than be more available and nerfed.
That said it would be great if a few more were released, not for the price decrease but because most of these ships spend there time in hangars gathering dust and I consider it a shame for a class to exist but not be used outside sisi. Several of them were used in pvp and lost in pvp, the latest of which was several years ago (TT's imp geddon) but considering they are almost irreplaceable there is no incentive for the owners to put them in the line of fire.
CCP could re-release the ones which are lost to keep the number in game at any time constant and eliminate 'permanent disapearence'.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:52:00 -
[59]
Oh, I get it now!
OP is a troll.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:33:00 -
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-¦d rather have a Rokh State Issue, or a Abaddon Imperial Issue.. Now that would be serious toys.. 
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.22 13:19:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/03/2009 13:21:26
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp
It happens every day, people fly complete officer fit battleships into PVP, I've seen it done, people will do it. Super Capitals are a prime example against this. Motherships? Bigger carriers with a hefty price tag. It happens every day.
And no, these ships should remain trophies, it is their entire purpose.
Edit: wtb state issue dominix for level 4 farming pls.
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.03.22 13:42:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/03/2009 13:21:26
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp
It happens every day, people fly complete officer fit battleships into PVP, I've seen it done, people will do it. Super Capitals are a prime example against this. Motherships? Bigger carriers with a hefty price tag. It happens every day.
And no, these ships should remain trophies, it is their entire purpose.
Edit: wtb state issue dominix for level 4 farming pls.
Look how dumb you are, you can't even read a whole sentence, i wrote "You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart.
Not being able to read and grasp a simple sentence but making stupid comparisons with a mothership proves your intellectual parity with a brick or potato.
You could bring 3 100 billion officer fitted state ravens and you'd lose a 1v3 against my cheap fitted 1.2 billion carrier. 20-30 billion are too expensive for a BATTLESHIP, not a mothership, 'tard.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.22 13:54:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/03/2009 13:21:26
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp
It happens every day, people fly complete officer fit battleships into PVP, I've seen it done, people will do it. Super Capitals are a prime example against this. Motherships? Bigger carriers with a hefty price tag. It happens every day.
And no, these ships should remain trophies, it is their entire purpose.
Edit: wtb state issue dominix for level 4 farming pls.
Look how dumb you are, you can't even read a whole sentence, i wrote "You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart.
Not being able to read and grasp a simple sentence but making stupid comparisons with a mothership proves your intellectual parity with a brick or potato.
You could bring 3 100 billion officer fitted state ravens and you'd lose a 1v3 against my cheap fitted 1.2 billion carrier. 20-30 billion are too expensive for a BATTLESHIP, not a mothership, 'tard.
/facepalm, you missed the point. 
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:07:00 -
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Well, I want an Opus Luxury Yacht...
I doubt I will ever see one of those in space, piloted by a player.
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Georgina Eldridge
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Oh, I get it now!
OP is a troll.
You must be new here.
This is the EVE forum - we have a troll problem.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:55:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Georgina Eldridge
Originally by: Joss Sparq
Oh, I get it now!
OP is a troll.
You must be new here.
This is the EVE forum - we have a troll problem.
no u
I can't think of a single internet forum that doesn't have a multitude of trolls, in some cases, the majority of the posters. And I tend to forum ***** 5-15 hours a day. EVE forums are actually quite sensible in comparison to most others. Hell, alot of the trolls are even friendly and helpful at times. I wouldn't call that a 'troll problem'. 
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
United Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 22/03/2009 15:16:57
Just pretend this ship ain't exist. Problem solved.
And it won't be that far from the truth anyway
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Melina Quaid
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Posted - 2009.03.22 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Oh c'mon that 8 instead of 7 launchers, 14.3% more dps. Thats the diffrence between using a CNR with t1 ammo and faction ammo. Or t2 launchers compared to medium named ones. It's not ABSURDLY overpowered.
You could also use heavy drones instead of medium drones, but for missions you want the smaller drones anyways, for killing frigates.
And the little higher buffer doesn't mean a lot for missions, makes you a little harder to be suicideganked, but not much.
Make it cost 20-30 billions and there is no balance issue.
Who gives a **** about missions, t
They'd be stupidly overpowered as PvP ships.
Or not.
Get caught by a Heavy Neut-packing (say Domi) : bye bye CSR.
There's no such thing as Overpowerness. There's only appropriate counters.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 16:21:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/03/2009 13:21:26
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp
It happens every day, people fly complete officer fit battleships into PVP, I've seen it done, people will do it. Super Capitals are a prime example against this. Motherships? Bigger carriers with a hefty price tag. It happens every day.
And no, these ships should remain trophies, it is their entire purpose.
Edit: wtb state issue dominix for level 4 farming pls.
Look how dumb you are, you can't even read a whole sentence, i wrote "You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart.
Not being able to read and grasp a simple sentence but making stupid comparisons with a mothership proves your intellectual parity with a brick or potato.
You could bring 3 100 billion officer fitted state ravens and you'd lose a 1v3 against my cheap fitted 1.2 billion carrier. 20-30 billion are too expensive for a BATTLESHIP, not a mothership, 'tard.
u need a hug ?
people fly officer fit marauders into pvp , what you don't seem to get is that there are people to who 20-30 b isn't that much isk ....
and these battleships aren't slightly better , they are alot better as their 300 m counterparts.
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Ryoken McKeon
Galactic Defence Syndicate
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/03/2009 13:21:26
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp
It happens every day, people fly complete officer fit battleships into PVP, I've seen it done, people will do it. Super Capitals are a prime example against this. Motherships? Bigger carriers with a hefty price tag. It happens every day.
And no, these ships should remain trophies, it is their entire purpose.
Edit: wtb state issue dominix for level 4 farming pls.
Look how dumb you are, you can't even read a whole sentence, i wrote "You must be an extreme moron to bring a 20-30 billion ship to pvp, that is only slightly better than it's 300 million faction counterpart.
Not being able to read and grasp a simple sentence but making stupid comparisons with a mothership proves your intellectual parity with a brick or potato.
You could bring 3 100 billion officer fitted state ravens and you'd lose a 1v3 against my cheap fitted 1.2 billion carrier. 20-30 billion are too expensive for a BATTLESHIP, not a mothership, 'tard.
Go back to WoW, Blizzard will eventually give you everything you want without working for it. CCP will not.
(I just made an officer EFT fitting for both ships, the State Raven has ~450000 EHP and does 2000 DPS, the Navy Raven has ~270000 EHP and does 1500 DPS. That's not just a 15% improvement. That's a ship that could possibly kill 2, maybe 3 Navy Ravens on it's own, and I shudder to think how many regularly fit non-faction battleships)
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Lady Serendipity
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Serendipity on 23/03/2009 19:03:34
The real issue here is not their cost, it's how many that are circulating. Once they are gone (destroyed), that is it. There needs to be a method to increase the supply. I'm not saying to make them any easier to get than they are now isk-wise, but maybe have them in the LP store or as some sort of reward that costs the equivalent of say 120 billion either in time or isk needed. Thus, the ship is still extremely exclusive and WILL still be a trophy ship for most (a ship that is for display purposes). You guys tend to enjoy distorting the idea of 'trophy ship' to whatever wins your argument. I'm guessing those faction frigates like the Hookbill or Comet are not trophy ships then because you can buy them with LP? (Yes, they are f-king trophies!) So stop saying that they are trophy ships and have not reason to be made available.
It is strange that in a game such as Eve that constant construction and regeneration is almost the entire essence of the game that CCP has not provided any way to obtain these ships.
Edit: Imagine making them as hard to obtain as Titans, but instead of the ship population remaining stagnant, they can be obtained in some way. This is what CCP should do.
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Ch1pmunk
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:31:00 -
[72]
not to point out the obvious... but isnt there a way to reverse engineer a ship or mod to obtain a bp? i know there is something like that out there.... or was... i think it was giving bpcs for a while...
well, maybe this will be one of the items that gets reverse engineered lol
Yes i know, this function is basically broken, but it will get fixed eventually
then maybe we can spend 30 bil and get a ship for ourselves lol
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Serendipity
There needs to be a method to increase the supply.
No there doesn't.
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Lady Serendipity
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:50:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lady Serendipity
There needs to be a method to increase the supply.
No there doesn't.
I agree with you. CCP should disable the ability to build Titans too. You running for CSM?
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:33:00 -
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This is a copy of a whine from a few months ago, word for word if I recall... don't feed the troll.
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