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Nichola Kreed Amarr 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:15:00 - [1] why they are allowed change alliance name with out paying 1 Billion bill and not losing sov? is T20 back?
Julian Shran Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:16:00 - [2] Exactly... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Tomic Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:17:00 - [3] Band of Brothers Reloaded: The Return of T20.
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:19:00 - [4] just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Oran Sound Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:19:00 - [5] CCP lock this ****.
RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:19:00 - [6] and whats up with the fact i cant open any of the locked threads regarding the topic but can open any other thread in CAOD
Sky Marshal Caldari IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 - [7] Cheat ? Nooooo, never. This alliance is composed by the elite of players, so they can't cheat ___________________ EVE "Community" become more like WoW each day, with his fanboy attitude. Simplistic logic, Lazy thinking, No capacity to comprehend same a justified whine...
Recon Three Caldari 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Sky Marshal Cheat ? Nooooo, never. This alliance is composed by the elite of players, so they can't cheat While people are watching. _____ I love Liang.
Julian Shran Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Tobruk just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part We don't want to let this little gem fall too far into the thread. Make sure to follow and post... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Xindi Kraid Caldari Gene Works Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:50:00 - [10] In before Mitnal's overzealous locking. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye'
CHAOS100 Gallente Widowmakers	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:55:00 - [11] Does shrike get a free titan from ISD for their special RP mission? --------------
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:56:00 - [12] QQ more If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:02:00 - [13] MOAR t2 tissues! the emo pump is Failswarming
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history Originally by: BOB "I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:06:00 - [15] moar threads, moar threadsssssssssssss ~~~names are important!~~~~~~
Traderjohn Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:08:00 - [16] Support this, They should have lost all sov if they wished to change there Name. EULA even has a section regarding changing name if the name is offensive, The Kenzoku alliance name is not an offensive name if you even check in google. Should CCP decide to keep this they will lose a number of subscriptions due to CCP showing a bias in this decision to allow a change as small as a name to an alliance known for strong connections with CCP, e.g. Moon Exploit - Having 20 control towers setup the same way in 1 system, then the moon exploit came out and the towers came down. T20 - BPO spawns
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Traderjohn Should CCP decide to keep this they will lose a number of subscriptions due to CCP showing a bias in this decision to allow a change as small as a name to an alliance known for strong connections with CCP, e.g. stuff can i has?
Nichola Kreed Amarr 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Crimsonjade MOAR t2 tissues! the emo pump is Failswarming translate (bob)"we ve cheated before, now we cheat again, u can do nothing about it, ur tear is sweet "
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: Crimsonjade MOAR t2 tissues! the emo pump is Failswarming translate (bob)"we ve cheated before, now we cheat again, u can do nothing about it, ur tear is sweet " traslation into emo = waaaaaaaaa my epeen isnt as big as a electron waaaaa ****ing waaaaaa suck it up failswarm and friends, pls emo rage quit as the lag goes down
Anders Kraneled Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Crimsonjade Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: Crimsonjade MOAR t2 tissues! the emo pump is Failswarming translate (bob)"we ve cheated before, now we cheat again, u can do nothing about it, ur tear is sweet " traslation into emo = waaaaaaaaa my epeen isnt as big as a electron waaaaa ****ing waaaaaa suck it up failswarm and friends, pls emo rage quit as the lag goes down What the hell does this even mean? Coherence, try it on for size.
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Anders Kraneled Originally by: Crimsonjade Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: Crimsonjade MOAR t2 tissues! the emo pump is Failswarming translate (bob)"we ve cheated before, now we cheat again, u can do nothing about it, ur tear is sweet " traslation into emo = waaaaaaaaa my epeen isnt as big as a electron waaaaa ****ing waaaaaa suck it up failswarm and friends, pls emo rage quit as the lag goes down What the hell does this even mean? Coherence, try it on for size. sorry it means you(failswarm) can emo rage quit eve( the video game your trying to destroy)and no one will care
Julian Shran Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Tobruk just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part Let us not forget this thread... Please check in and vote... Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
BBQ Organizer Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:22:00 - [23] i have devs on msn nbd
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 - [24] super cereal....just saying If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Anders Kraneled Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Crimsonjade sorry it means you(failswarm) can emo rage quit eve( the video game your trying to destroy)and no one will care Yeah I'm still not getting it, try explaining it to me like you would a child, ok?
Delfinu Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Delfinu on 23/03/2009 22:28:58 Originally by: Crimsonjade sorry it means you(failswarm) can emo rage quit eve( the video game your trying to destroy)and no one will care "Your" does not mean "you are". "Your" implies ownership or possession. I've always wanted a trying to destroy! Or did you mean that there is a video game called your trying to destroy. Please elaborate.
Recon Three Caldari 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Crimsonjade traslation into emo = waaaaaaaaa my epeen isnt as big as a electron waaaaa ****ing waaaaaa The fanboy is strong in this one. - Wipes the brown off of your nose - _____ I love Liang.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:48:00 - [28] I thought the new name was pretty ****. But then I saw all the drama. I love this new name!
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr I thought the new name was pretty **. I agree with this Originally by:** Waagaa Ktlehr But then I saw all the drama. I agree with this. We all like drama. See, we can be friends. It really is a bad name. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:54:00 - [30] This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit -- Billion Isk Mission
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit Yo, you're right, I hadn't realised that. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Recon Three Caldari 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit Oh really now, lolol. Tasty. _____ CCP, your nepotism is showing.
Low Blow Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 - [35] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip /wins thread
Oran Sound Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 - [36] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip Nah, just abuse of power. Its cool though. Nothing to see here.
The Qat Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:06:00 - [37] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip every time ccp breaks their own rules, god kills a kitten how do you not know this by now
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit +rep
Joakim Saxon Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:14:00 - [39] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip Yes, the name iself doesn't matter. The ignoring of established precedent regarding character, corporation, or alliance name changes. The circumvention of the usual requirements of remaking an alliance, spending 1 billion ISK and resetting all sovereignty claims. Seeming CCP preferential treatment (yet again). Those matter.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:17:00 - [40] 1 set of rules for some, another set for the rest. I guess some people will always be just a little bit more equal, though they do need the help(they are terrible at the game).
eKuivocal Caldari Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:18:00 - [41] ibtl!!!
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Joakim Saxon Originally by: O Thief oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip Yes, the name iself doesn't matter. The ignoring of established precedent regarding character, corporation, or alliance name changes. The circumvention of the usual requirements of remaking an alliance, spending 1 billion ISK and resetting all sovereignty claims. Seeming CCP preferential treatment (yet again). Those matter. :ohnoes: The precedent! They ignored it! Hello. I have news for you. They are not amending the US constitution. This is internet spaceships run by a privately owned company who can do whatever they they like. Get over yourselves.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Tomic Band of Brothers Reloaded: The Return of T20. Honestly, why do they get a free ride?
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:23:00 - [44] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Joakim Saxon Originally by: O Thief oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip Yes, the name iself doesn't matter. The ignoring of established precedent regarding character, corporation, or alliance name changes. The circumvention of the usual requirements of remaking an alliance, spending 1 billion ISK and resetting all sovereignty claims. Seeming CCP preferential treatment (yet again). Those matter. :ohnoes: The precedent! They ignored it! Hello. I have news for you. They are not amending the US constitution. This is internet spaceships run by a privately owned company who can do whatever they they like. Get over yourselves. Go to Vegas, where you effectively pay to play, and let the dealer rig the game in one player's favor at the Blackjack table all night, and see what happens.
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:24:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 23/03/2009 23:25:14 Originally by: Narciss Sevar 1 set of rules for some, another set for the rest. I guess some people will always be just a little bit more equal, though they do need the help(they are terrible at the game). Wow, so bob haxoring for 1bil by placing SWAT teams that fly out to Iceland and infiltrate CCP just so they can cheat by alliance name? I would pettiton but I already know that Sir Molle is going to read it and reply that "the logs show nothing", so there is no point..... -- Billion Isk Mission
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Jack Gates Go to Vegas, where you effectively pay to play, and let the dealer rig the game in one player's favor at the Blackjack table all night, and see what happens. yes, because we all know changing the name of an alliance has a huge impact on the game for all concerned great analogy you got there
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:31:00 - [47] Man, those Beavers are really ****ed up if they have to pull strings just to keep little despaired dots on the map
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit. It's also funny that .BOB. doesn't seem to realize that this CCP bias thing could happen to them as well. Oh wait.... it did. Goon threadnaught anyone? For once try to see beyond the in game stuff that's going on and try to see the big picture here. It's not about the ff'ing name but about CCP being ignorant once more.
Delfinu Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:34:00 - [49] I find all these Beaver rationalization post highly amusing.
Zumbala Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:35:00 - [50] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Eskalin QQ more We will QQ all over the bloddy internet my dear. Once again you guys seems to be best pal with CCP GM & devs.. Can you ansvar my why you faction should get something no other is aloved to?? This is so awfull by CCP I simply cant belive it. What are thye thinking oh for christ sake, grow up its a name change, woopie-do its not like CCP employees are murdering kittens, get a grip When you will grow up a bit, you may realize how important it is to respect the rules you wrote down yourself if you care at least a bit about your own credibility. Apparently, nothing changed since the T20 story, that's maybe why peoples get upset, not for a name which is even worse that the one before.
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:35:00 - [51] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Jack Gates Go to Vegas, where you effectively pay to play, and let the dealer rig the game in one player's favor at the Blackjack table all night, and see what happens. yes, because we all know changing the name of an alliance has a huge impact on the game for all concerned great analogy you got there What happens next time when they get the next unfair advantage and it DOES affect your gameplay? Favoritism in any form is not okay, but favoring BOB of all people after the years of crap CCP has endured over the T20 scandal (which, by the way, really did affect things) just shows that CCP really doesn't care what their playerbase thinks. One set of rules for everyone. It doesnt matter if the rule is small or insignificant, if Bob gets it we all should. Anything else leads to a slippery slope of increasingly game breaking decisions. ___________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Monsieur Escargots Gallente The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:36:00 - [52] You need to understand that this isn't about the effect it has on in game ongoings. This is purely principle. Read Animal Farm. BoB are the pigs. That's what everyone who isn't in BoB feels like.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:39:00 - [53] laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! Trinity Corporate Services
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 23/03/2009 23:42:09 Originally by: O Thief yes, because we all know changing the name of an alliance has a huge impact on the game for all concerned great analogy you got there Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! Please read below quote again, again, again and one more time... Get it yet? Originally by: Joakim Saxon Yes, the name itself doesn't matter. The ignoring of established precedent regarding character, corporation, or alliance name changes. The circumvention of the usual requirements of remaking an alliance, spending 1 billion ISK and resetting all sovereignty claims. Seeming CCP preferential treatment (yet again). Those matter. I for one couldn't care less about the name change... well ok, I do. I must admit the name brings me endless joy of how utterly ridiculous it is, I mean common "Reloaded"?? What I and it seems allot of others besides the threadnoughting Goons care about is that YET AGAIN :period:BOB:period: gets "special treatment" by CCP. You can not ignore that fact, I know you will try though... - Aloha mr Hand
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:40:00 - [55] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 23/03/2009 23:41:40 Originally by: fuze Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit. It's also funny that .BOB. doesn't seem to realize that this CCP bias thing could happen to them as well. Oh wait.... it did. Goon threadnaught anyone? For once try to see beyond the in game stuff that's going on and try to see the big picture here. It's not about the ff'ing name but about CCP being ignorant once more. Funny you talk about a ignorent post, when you fail to even bother to read in contex. I guess that is the hight of Ignorance. -- Billion Isk Mission
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Shikome Alluin Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! Please read below quote again, again, again and one more time... Get it yet? I stay by my comment! OVER a name big deal! this just lame period! Trinity Corporate Services
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 23/03/2009 23:41:40 Originally by: fuze Originally by: Lord WarATron This is hillarious. All those goonies running around like headless chickens because of the name change. Its even more funny that they do not relise that the new name has more characters than the maximum limit. It's also funny that .BOB. doesn't seem to realize that this CCP bias thing could happen to them as well. Oh wait.... it did. Goon threadnaught anyone? For once try to see beyond the in game stuff that's going on and try to see the big picture here. It's not about the ff'ing name but about CCP being ignorant once more. Funny you talk about a ignorent post, when you fail to even bother to read in contex. I guess that is the hight of Ignorance. Please, enlighten us about the "contex".
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:45:00 - [58] Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Joakim Saxon Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim What happens next time when they get the next unfair advantage and it DOES affect your gameplay? Favoritism in any form is not okay, but favoring BOB of all people after the years of crap CCP has endured over the T20 scandal (which, by the way, really did affect things) just shows that CCP really doesn't care what their playerbase thinks. One set of rules for everyone. It doesnt matter if the rule is small or insignificant, if Bob gets it we all should. Anything else leads to a slippery slope of increasingly game breaking decisions. I would just like to point out that Systematic-Chaos is an enemy of the goons, and an ally of Beaver. I hope this bit of honesty doesn't cost you anything.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:47:00 - [60] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. well said! Trinity Corporate Services
The Qat Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. shut up get out ccp can't follow their own rules and can't explain their reasoning when they don't
Captain Soki Gallente Esoteria Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. If you take your goon C**ksucking glasses off you will see goons are not the only ones upset at this unfortunate and blatant favortism. as far as what happened to BOB it was allowed because that could be the consequence of ANY alliance. However the name change was only granted to a particular group of people. Either you have no idea about rules and ethics( even in videoames) or you have been trolling so long thats all you know. either way i wouldnt want to be you for a second of your best day.
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:49:00 - [63] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 23/03/2009 23:50:07 Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Shikome Alluin Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! Please read below quote again, again, again and one more time... Get it yet? I stay by my comment! OVER a name big deal! this just lame period! Like I said: You can not ignore that fact, I know you will try though... - Aloha mr Hand
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:50:00 - [64] Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. well said! Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Captain Soki Gallente Esoteria Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:52:00 - [65] Edited by: Captain Soki on 23/03/2009 23:53:50 Edited by: Captain Soki on 23/03/2009 23:52:52 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. well said! Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking linkage fail 101010101
Del369 Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Monsieur Escargots You need to understand that this isn't about the effect it has on in game ongoings. This is purely principle. Read Animal Farm. BoB are the pigs. That's what everyone who isn't in BoB feels like. CCP if you don't know "Animal Farm" I'd suggest an ALL employee mandatory reading ASAP, you "might" just "GET" the animosity then, quoted is correct, KENNY/BEAVER/ASSCAKES are the PIGS. "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS." Anything ticking in there........
Sirius Business Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:53:00 - [67] Originally by: Jade Constantine Just grow up and play the game. But by your standards, I'd have to pretend to roleplay a trollop doing favors of ill repute over in game chat for isk. Your version of EvE is warped.
Zumbala Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:53:00 - [68] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. You are just as usual incredibly stupid and/or a troll, but because I am a nice guy, I'll explain you anyway: Disbanding an alliance the way it was done was not possible within the documentation. Untrue. Well, in fact there is no documentation about that. So there was no stament of if it was possible or not. But CCP always made clear what is an exploit or not. The difference with the aliance renaming is that CCP clearly stated that this was not possible. End of story.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:54:00 - [69] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2009 23:55:26 Originally by: Captain Soki Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. If you take your goon C**ksucking glasses off you will see goons are not the only ones upset at this unfortunate and blatant favortism. as far as what happened to BOB it was allowed because that could be the consequence of ANY alliance. However the name change was only granted to a particular group of people. Either you have no idea about rules and ethics( even in videoames) or you have been trolling so long thats all you know. either way i wouldnt want to be you for a second of your best day. You seem a little bit too upset by a namechange to be a truly neutral observer there sport. Something tells me you aren't quite as independent as you might claim. But the reality of the situation is that as far as I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. The GM's have basically ennacted a compromise resolution here. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
SodiumCyanide Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:54:00 - [70] Originally by: GUY PRETENDING TO BE A GIRL. HAS CYBERSEX WITH GUYS. WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT
The Qat Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2009 23:55:26 Originally by: Captain Soki Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. If you take your goon C**ksucking glasses off you will see goons are not the only ones upset at this unfortunate and blatant favortism. as far as what happened to BOB it was allowed because that could be the consequence of ANY alliance. However the name change was only granted to a particular group of people. Either you have no idea about rules and ethics( even in videoames) or you have been trolling so long thats all you know. either way i wouldnt want to be you for a second of your best day. You seem a little bit too upset by a namechange to be a truly neutral observer there sport. Something tells me you aren't quite as independent as you might claim. But the reality of the situation is that as far as I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. The GM's have basically ennacted a compromise resolution here. there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them shut up
Captain Soki Gallente Esoteria Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Captain Soki Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1031879&page=12 i suck at linking but this thread should be the answer to whether or not the eve community aproves of the action. your 2 wrongs make a right aproach is not a good way to handle a community of such as this. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. If you take your goon C**ksucking glasses off you will see goons are not the only ones upset at this unfortunate and blatant favortism. as far as what happened to BOB it was allowed because that could be the consequence of ANY alliance. However the name change was only granted to a particular group of people. Either you have no idea about rules and ethics( even in videoames) or you have been trolling so long thats all you know. either way i wouldnt want to be you for a second of your best day. You see a little bit too upset by a namechange to be a truly neutral observer there sport. Something tells me you aren't quite as independent as you might claim. But the reality of the situation is that as far as I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. The GM's have basically ennacted a compromise resolution here. Again you seem to think all of eve gives two damns about bob or goons. I have no "with us or against us" attitutude that you try to project on me.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. Haargoth has two "a"s. And he did do it, despite all the rationalization to the contrary~
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:00:00 - [74] Originally by: Jade Constantine You seem a little bit too upset by a namechange to be a truly neutral observer there sport. Something tells me you aren't quite as independent as you might claim. But the reality of the situation is that as far as I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. The GM's have basically ennacted a compromise resolution here. And what would you know about compromise?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Zumbala Disbanding an alliance the way it was done was not possible within the documentation. Untrue. Well, in fact there is no documentation about that. You are incorrect. There was documentation - it was flawed and out of date of course - but it certainly didn't suggest that one man could auto-destruct an entire alliance. Quote: So there was no stament of if it was possible or not. But CCP always made clear what is an exploit or not. Interesting you should say that since in the past CCP have acted to remove individual character and corporation names that are attempting to impersonate another entity. It certainly used to say in the eula that impersonating other in-game entities was a breach of the rules. I know from personal experience that CCP have acted to rename impersonating entities on petition. I found it very strange that they didn't choose to act against the Band of Brothers alt corp that was established to block the creation of an alliance since that seemed to be a exploit clear and simple. Quote: The difference with the aliance renaming is that CCP clearly stated that this was not possible. End of story. CCP have renamed individuals and corporations in the past and there have been quite large discussions around some of them. Look back into the 4S/SAS "scandal" in Keiron's time for an example. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Jade Constantine As I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. But not as far as the rules of the game are concerned. The rules should be applied equally to all players. In my personal opinion. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:04:00 - [77] Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are fairly to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. I'd petition it as such, citing intentional impersonation and exploitation of game mechanics to prevent recreation of my alliance. I consider the goons cheated of the Band of Brother alt corp move. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are fairly to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. I'd petition it as such, citing intentional impersonation and exploitation of game mechanics to prevent recreation of my alliance. I consider the goons cheated of the Band of Brother alt corp move. How do you impersonate that which does not exist~ :zen:
Lumen Atra Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. The game documentation does allow for alliance disbanding, but you already know that, so I don't know why you would be contrary to what you know other than to act as a troll. That silly statement aside: So, what do you think of the fact that beaver (aka Kenny) didn't have to lose sov or pay 1bil to change their name? I believe this is the biggest issue people, not just goons, are taking issue with. Do you believe this to be a fair decision and, if so, why?
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:08:00 - [80] You know it has nothing to do with whether you think "rules were broken" or not right? You hate bob, we get it. Wow, you guys really need to take a step back from the game a bit....
Caius Proximus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:08:00 - [81] Hey who cares about rules for how devs should interact with players just grow up and play the game --Jade Constantine, 2009, former head of CSM
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch But not as far as the rules of the game are concerned. Well I know that GM's will rename individual characters and corporations that are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. I know that GM's will give players warnings for some kinds of obstructive gameplay that exploits a mechanic to damage the enjoyment and gameplay of other players. Try perma-bumping a freighter in hisec to prevent the player from approaching a gate and see how long it takes for you to be told to stop it for example. This decision to obstruct the recreation of band of brothers alliance by sitting on a corp name was intentional exploitation of the naming mechanic to block a group of players from re-establishing their identity. Its cheating. CCP should have simply renamed your corp and let Band of Brothers be recreated properly. Instead they have done a compromise. No point crying about it - just play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:10:00 - [83] Edited by: teji on 24/03/2009 00:10:47 Originally by: Dog Solitude You know it has nothing to do with whether you think "rules were broken" or not right? You hate bob, we get it. Wow, you guys really need to take a step back from the game a bit.... Wow, you have no brains. It's exactly that rules were broken. You'd think CCP would learn after T20 but apparently not. How about we ban Jade from ever posting or playing this game ever again and beavers can keep their name. that sounds like a compromise that might work.
Joakim Saxon Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:10:00 - [84] Originally by: Lumen Atra Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. The game documentation does allow for alliance disbanding, but you already know that, so I don't know why you would be contrary to what you know other than to act as a troll. That silly statement aside: So, what do you think of the fact that beaver (aka Kenny) didn't have to lose sov or pay 1bil to change their name? I believe this is the biggest issue people, not just goons, are taking issue with. Do you believe this to be a fair decision and, if so, why? Because poor poor BoB was CHEATED out of their name! Which is odd, cause there was no Band of Brothers alliance in existence when Band of Brothers corporation was founded, how can they "impersonate" something that doesn't exist. I'm sure Jade will claim its abusing or taking advantage of the spirit of the rules, but guess what, it is not BREAKING the rules. Kenzoku name change? BREAKING the rules.
GuardianVale Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:10:00 - [85] Has anyone made the "It's not like they had sov to lose with a name change" joke yet?
Kachiko Sama Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are fairly to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. I'd petition it as such, citing intentional impersonation and exploitation of game mechanics to prevent recreation of my alliance. I consider the goons cheated of the Band of Brother alt corp move. Such a terrible pity that your opinion matters not a toss. Oh wait, it isn't. The issue here isn't your interpretation of the rules (thankfully, because you're clearly an incapable buffoon who substitutes verbosity for intellect). Nothing the goons did broke any rules, CCP have released a statement to that effect, remember? Your little anime friends were out thought and out played and now they're trying to cheat to get their toys back, you are attempting to defend the effectvely indefensible.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:13:00 - [87] Originally by: Jade Constantine Just grow up and play the game. YOU ROLE PLAY A SPACE HOOKER
Captain Soki Gallente Esoteria Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:13:00 - [88] I am not pro or anti goon. bob neither. the name change is just the face of the issue. The 400lb gorilla that so many (and yes even empire dwellers as myself.) have issue with is that they were allowed to keep sov, offices etc. and did not have to pay the 1bil for an alliance. now you keep saying its a fair compromise but if CCP had the power to do this they should of set delve back to bob control as well. Im sorry this doesnt pass the human decency test. This is my personal opinion on the matter but if you look in the assembly hall there is an array of players, non-goon, who are upset by this. hope this helps.
Natika Veritas Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Palmer Eldritch But not as far as the rules of the game are concerned. Well I know that GM's will rename individual characters and corporations that are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. I know that GM's will give players warnings for some kinds of obstructive gameplay that exploits a mechanic to damage the enjoyment and gameplay of other players. Try perma-bumping a freighter in hisec to prevent the player from approaching a gate and see how long it takes for you to be told to stop it for example. This decision to obstruct the recreation of band of brothers alliance by sitting on a corp name was intentional exploitation of the naming mechanic to block a group of players from re-establishing their identity. Its cheating. CCP should have simply renamed your corp and let Band of Brothers be recreated properly. Instead they have done a compromise. No point crying about it - just play the game. How daft are you? If CCP changed our corp name and let kenny get the name back through the standard, disband, start over mechanic, then there would be less uproar, what happened was that CCP changed the name directly, while also breaking the alliance name character limit. Molle got to keep his sov while changing his alliance name unlike anyone else before. You are an idiot if you can't see the difference between what you said and what happened.
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:20:00 - [90] Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 24/03/2009 00:20:17 Originally by: Jade Constantine Well I know that GM's will rename individual characters and corporations that are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. You know that they will not re-name a character or corp which petitions that they don't like the name they chose for their character or corp, or alliance, and want a new one. Except in this case. You say that asking for the rules to be applied equally to all players is crying. Let's try to have a debate without resorting to insults please. I believe CCP should not consistently give preferential treatment to a particular group of players. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
ChalSto Gallente LOCKDOWN. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:20:00 - [91] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. Win At the end of the day, Molle will be still right: "You are all dead, you just dont know yet" Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens."
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:21:00 - [92] Originally by: Lumen Atra So, what do you think of the fact that beaver (aka Kenny) didn't have to lose sov or pay 1bil to change their name? I believe this is the biggest issue people, not just goons, are taking issue with. I'd guess that was the GM decision based on petitions that would have been made at the time against goonswarm exploiting the naming mechanic - its probably taken several weeks to come to this decision and its something they will have considered pretty fair and reasonable. Who knows, maybe bob paid the gm's 1b to do it. Unlikely we'll ever know. And from what I can see its virtually 100% goons and goonish coalition members that are currently threadnaughting. Quote: Do you believe this to be a fair decision and, if so, why? I think its an entirely fair decision. But if it was me - I'd have renamed the goon Band of Brothers corp to "corpname1131301931" within about 24 hours of it being done and allowed molle to recreate Band of Brothers if he wanted to do it. To my taste there is absolutely no good that comes to the game of eve online by letting people destroy the identity of in-game corporations and alliances with sordid little metagamy exploits like blocking alliance naming with alt corps. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:21:00 - [93] Originally by: teji Edited by: teji on 24/03/2009 00:10:47 Wow, you have no brains. I just feel like this is you not trying. Goons and pandemic legion as the good guys protecting us eve players from unjust game developers. hehe. Man, its crazy your allies bought into all that stuff. But hate goes a long way, in our out of game.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:22:00 - [94] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2009 00:09:56 Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are failing to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. Not 'if' but 'when'
Igus Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 - [95] Couple things I'm curious about, 1st, how does Atari feel when the company they are publishing for openly cheats(tm) to help a group of players, which could potentially hurt sales due to reputation? (probably a moot point since Atari is desperate for cash and will *** themselves out to anyone.) 2nd, didn't ccp learn from the last several times they 'bent' the rules? 3rd, wouldn't it be funny to see CCP's marketing department them selves, if a lot people just canceled their accounts, (doesn't matter if you are going to reactivate it or not, just to know marketing had a storm) 4th, who wants to bet someone gets fired over this :), it was probably a GM not dev, because a dev would have to be fraking ****ed to do something like and risk their job in this economy. (but who knows internet spaceships are serial bizness) /me grabs bucket of popcorn, and petting my beaver while the drama ensues. -- Uhg, I think I need a flux capacitor
Lord Benz Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 - [96] Originally by: Jade Constantine HURF DURF BLURF 1. Shut up 2. Get out
Lord Benz Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:26:00 - [97] Edited by: Lord Benz on 24/03/2009 00:26:26 Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: teji Edited by: teji on 24/03/2009 00:10:47 Wow, you have no brains. I just feel like this is you not trying. Goons and pandemic legion as the good guys protecting us eve players from unjust game developers. hehe. Man, its crazy your allies bought into all that stuff. But hate goes a long way, in our out of game. Hahahahahahaha You're one to talk about being swindled.
Ishbuanium Gallente Black Skull Legion No Apology	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:26:00 - [98] Originally by: Jade Constantine Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking Get your self important head out of your own arse and realize that you don't speak for me. Ever. I like to think I might be speaking for a few more people than you are.
Lofe sXe Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:27:00 - [99] Originally by: Julian Shran Originally by: Tobruk just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part Let us not forget this thread... Please check in and vote...
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:28:00 - [100] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2009 00:09:56 Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are failing to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. Not 'if' but 'when' Case in point. You consider this kind of thing valid gameplay. I consider it cheating. Rather than attacking CCP for its "bias" you goons should be praising your lucky stars that CCP turns a blind eye to the destructive anti-game vendettas your leadership periodically unleashes onto the official forums. You are quite deluded if you think ANY other developer would let you get away with this stuff. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Kachiko Sama Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:29:00 - [101] Originally by: Dog Solitude Man, its crazy your allies bought into all that stuff. But hate goes a long way, in our out of game. Speaking of allies buying stuff, have EXE been given any kickbacks by rich russians recently? A few dreads maybe, a titan if you're really good pets and toe the line on COAD? Nothing you say is credible.
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. What a massive tool you are.. You telling people to grow up whne you act like a little child youself.. This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. We play in a virtuel world were we expect all players to follow these rules. Becuase without rules we get chaos.. So this is not bout a silly name or sov issues this is about the game itself.. Thats why people are **ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history Originally by: BOB "I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
Kachiko Sama Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:33:00 - [103] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. I will give you 50m isk if Jade ever admits he is wrong on this issue.
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Kachiko Sama Originally by: Dog Solitude Man, its crazy your allies bought into all that stuff. But hate goes a long way, in our out of game. Speaking of allies buying stuff, have EXE been given any kickbacks by rich russians recently? A few dreads maybe, a titan if you're really good pets and toe the line on COAD? Nothing you say is credible. You keep on totin that line Kachiko. <3
Challic Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:35:00 - [105] Edited by: Challic on 24/03/2009 00:35:30 Originally by: Jade Constantine Words that don't matter Dude...step back from the CCP rod, you are making a mess. Seriously, sucking up and bobbing on the rod isn't going to make you more credible in the eyes of the other 95% of eve that knows you are a complete tool.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:37:00 - [106] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2009 00:09:56 Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are failing to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. Not 'if' but 'when' Case in point. You consider this kind of thing valid gameplay. I consider it cheating. Rather than attacking CCP for its "bias" you goons should be praising your lucky stars that CCP turns a blind eye to the destructive anti-game vendettas your leadership periodically unleashes onto the official forums. You are quite deluded if you think ANY other developer would let you get away with this stuff. What you, personally, consider cheating is irrelevant.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:37:00 - [107] Originally by: Ishbuanium Originally by: Jade Constantine Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking Get your self important head out of your own arse and realize that you don't speak for me. Ever. I like to think I might be speaking for a few more people than you are. I can only hope that the disparity between who JC believes (s)he speaks for, and who (s)he ACTUALLY speaks for becomes obvious enough in the near future to deny him/her an additional undeserved term on the CSM.
Challic Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 - [108] Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: Ishbuanium Originally by: Jade Constantine Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking Get your self important head out of your own arse and realize that you don't speak for me. Ever. I like to think I might be speaking for a few more people than you are. I can only hope that the disparity between who JC believes (s)he speaks for, and who (s)he ACTUALLY speaks for becomes obvious enough in the near future to deny him/her an additional undeserved term on the CSM. He suffers from a n a l asphyxiation. It's a terrible thing, but the doctors say that one day he may lead a normal and healthy life.
Zumbala Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:40:00 - [109] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Palmer Eldritch But not as far as the rules of the game are concerned. Well I know that GM's will rename individual characters and corporations that are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. I know that GM's will give players warnings for some kinds of obstructive gameplay that exploits a mechanic to damage the enjoyment and gameplay of other players. Try perma-bumping a freighter in hisec to prevent the player from approaching a gate and see how long it takes for you to be told to stop it for example. This decision to obstruct the recreation of band of brothers alliance by sitting on a corp name was intentional exploitation of the naming mechanic to block a group of players from re-establishing their identity. Its cheating. CCP should have simply renamed your corp and let Band of Brothers be recreated properly. Instead they have done a compromise. No point crying about it - just play the game. That is definitly not the same thing. The BoB corp was created not to fake being The BoB alliance. That is the main difference. No one who know the alliance BoB could decently pretend that the corp in Goonswarm called BoB is the same thing. They did not try to stell their identity, really.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:41:00 - [110] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity... Of course you are completely wrong. Rules change when they need to. Its clear to everyone outside the goon coalition that the alliance disband was ridiculous. For 3000 players to lose their alliance identity with one-click from a director level emocide while I can't even fire somebody from my corp without a 24 hour waiting period is the height of insanity. It was an embarrassment for a game that sells itself on alliance building and space empires to allow a glitch like this to suddenly totally imbalance a huge space war and deliver an entirely hollow victory to a side that hadn't hitherto fired a shot in pursuit of glory. But what did CCP do? They toughed it out thats what and allowed the disbanding to stand and forced Band of Brothers to lose everything. Fair enough. But it was insult to injury that Darius JOHNSON created the Band of Brothers alt corp to prevent the proper Band of Brothers alliance from re-establishing its name. It was also CHEATING. So now we have a crowd of players who stole a victory they didn't deserve howling with upset and rage that the referees have allowed the downed opponent their name back. Its pathetic and its small. I think everybody knows that CCP will change the Alliance disband mechanic because of this incident. The rules will change. They have changed in the past and they will change again in the future. Quote: What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. Good comparison Quote: Thats why people are ****ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. The goons are annoyed because a stolen victory has slightly been soured by their opponents getting their name back. Tough. Play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Vibius Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 - [111] Who the hell is Jade Constantine anyway? He's a nobody, there's no point in even replying to him.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 - [112] Originally by: Zumbala That is definitly not the same thing. The BoB corp was created not to fake being The BoB alliance. That is the main difference. No one who know the alliance BoB could decently pretend that the corp in Goonswarm called BoB is the same thing. They did not try to stell their identity, really. Well I saw fake press releases from a fake molle character in the fake band of brothers corp. I've seen fake recruitment posts, fake political posts, hell, even a fake surrender or two. It was an attempt to steal the identity and block the appropriate recreation of the entity by exploiting a flawed naming mechanic in the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. I smell a tool... err a pet.
Challic Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:45:00 - [114] Edited by: Challic on 24/03/2009 00:45:58 Originally by: Jade Constantine Look at me, I think I'm important Do you really believe the garbage that comes out of your mouth...if so you really are out of touch with reality. Pull yourself back and stop acting like you are the savor of Eve morality and ethical game play. You do not speak for the majority of Eve so please stop acting like you do. Last I checked this game was made up of over 200,000 individuals...not Jade Constantine.
Rek Esket Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:46:00 - [115] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity... Of course you are completely wrong. Rules change when they need to. Its clear to everyone outside the goon coalition that the alliance disband was ridiculous. For 3000 players to lose their alliance identity with one-click from a director level emocide while I can't even fire somebody from my corp without a 24 hour waiting period is the height of insanity. It was an embarrassment for a game that sells itself on alliance building and space empires to allow a glitch like this to suddenly totally imbalance a huge space war and deliver an entirely hollow victory to a side that hadn't hitherto fired a shot in pursuit of glory. But what did CCP do? They toughed it out thats what and allowed the disbanding to stand and forced Band of Brothers to lose everything. Fair enough. But it was insult to injury that Darius JOHNSON created the Band of Brothers alt corp to prevent the proper Band of Brothers alliance from re-establishing its name. It was also CHEATING. So now we have a crowd of players who stole a victory they didn't deserve howling with upset and rage that the referees have allowed the downed opponent their name back. Its pathetic and its small. I think everybody knows that CCP will change the Alliance disband mechanic because of this incident. The rules will change. They have changed in the past and they will change again in the future. Quote: What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. Good comparison Quote: Thats why people are ****ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. The goons are annoyed because a stolen victory has slightly been soured by their opponents getting their name back. Tough. Play the game. Have you ever RP'd a violent sex scene, like the one we just had in 49-U6U? Or do you only roleplay sex consensually?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:47:00 - [116] Originally by: Challic Last I checked this game was made up of over 200,000 individuals... And goons are 5000, why don't you try to stop spamming up the forums and threadnaughting as if you represented more than 2.5% of the game's subscribers? ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:47:00 - [117] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity... Of course you are completely wrong. Rules change when they need to. Its clear to everyone outside the goon coalition that the alliance disband was ridiculous. For 3000 players to lose their alliance identity with one-click from a director level emocide while I can't even fire somebody from my corp without a 24 hour waiting period is the height of insanity. It was an embarrassment for a game that sells itself on alliance building and space empires to allow a glitch like this to suddenly totally imbalance a huge space war and deliver an entirely hollow victory to a side that hadn't hitherto fired a shot in pursuit of glory. But what did CCP do? They toughed it out thats what and allowed the disbanding to stand and forced Band of Brothers to lose everything. Fair enough. But it was insult to injury that Darius JOHNSON created the Band of Brothers alt corp to prevent the proper Band of Brothers alliance from re-establishing its name. It was also CHEATING. So now we have a crowd of players who stole a victory they didn't deserve howling with upset and rage that the referees have allowed the downed opponent their name back. Its pathetic and its small. I think everybody knows that CCP will change the Alliance disband mechanic because of this incident. The rules will change. They have changed in the past and they will change again in the future. Quote: What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. Good comparison Quote: Thats why people are ****ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. The goons are annoyed because a stolen victory has slightly been soured by their opponents getting their name back. Tough. Play the game. If the disbanding of BoB was 'wrong' as you claim, CCP would have reversed it.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:50:00 - [118] Originally by: Itzena If the disbanding of BoB was 'wrong' as you claim, CCP would have reversed it. The disbanding of BOB was a flawed game mechanic. The game mechanic in question will be fixed almost certainly. The blocking of Band of Brothers re-establishment by setting up an impersonation alt corp was something that looked very much like an exploit. Looks like that has been reversed (at least to a degree). ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Dathremar Caldari The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:52:00 - [119] On one hand this whole thread and "scandal" is pretty hilarious. People are whining and moaning making a massive deal out of something so trivial that it just makes me roll my eyes. Nobody would give two ****s about this if this was some no name alliance who lived in empire and just wanted their name changed because of some fault (no I can't name any). But because Kenny or BOB was changed then it is a massive conspiracy and it clearly proves that the devs love BOB and have done everything in their power to help BOB. On the other hand this does appear to be a change of heart for CCP. If this is how CCP is going to play the game then they should allow other alliance the same opportunity. I disagree with Jade on that point that they were cheated out of their name. Goons used the ingame tactics (which I would consider cheating) to their advantage and pretty much stole the name. CCP obviously said that it was not a breach of the EULA by not changing Band of Brothers the corp's name. In the end it makes no amount of difference to me other than the fact that the name is kind of meh. Sounds like a movie I once saw.... Oh and CCP if you are changing names could you change mine to Inquisitor Dathremar because I love that title.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:52:00 - [120] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Itzena If the disbanding of BoB was 'wrong' as you claim, CCP would have reversed it. The disbanding of BOB was a flawed game mechanic. The game mechanic in question will be fixed almost certainly. The blocking of Band of Brothers re-establishment by setting up an impersonation alt corp was something that looked very much like an exploit. Looks like that has been reversed (at least to a degree). Please disclose the source of your information regarding the change in game mechanics.
BBQ Organizer Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:53:00 - [121] Are you role playing having sand in your space [] as well
Zumbala Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:53:00 - [122] Edited by: Zumbala on 24/03/2009 00:54:32 Edited by: Zumbala on 24/03/2009 00:54:04 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Zumbala That is definitly not the same thing. The BoB corp was created not to fake being The BoB alliance. That is the main difference. No one who know the alliance BoB could decently pretend that the corp in Goonswarm called BoB is the same thing. They did not try to stell their identity, really. Well I saw fake press releases from a fake molle character in the fake band of brothers corp. I've seen fake recruitment posts, fake political posts, hell, even a fake surrender or two. It was an attempt to steal the identity and block the appropriate recreation of the entity by exploiting a flawed naming mechanic in the game. I stop there. To much trolling. edit: failed at posting. edit2:poor grammar.
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:55:00 - [123] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity... Of course you are completely wrong. Rules change when they need to. Its clear to everyone outside the goon coalition that the alliance disband was ridiculous. For 3000 players to lose their alliance identity with one-click from a director level emocide while I can't even fire somebody from my corp without a 24 hour waiting period is the height of insanity. It was an embarrassment for a game that sells itself on alliance building and space empires to allow a glitch like this to suddenly totally imbalance a huge space war and deliver an entirely hollow victory to a side that hadn't hitherto fired a shot in pursuit of glory. But what did CCP do? They toughed it out thats what and allowed the disbanding to stand and forced Band of Brothers to lose everything. Fair enough. But it was insult to injury that Darius JOHNSON created the Band of Brothers alt corp to prevent the proper Band of Brothers alliance from re-establishing its name. It was also CHEATING. So now we have a crowd of players who stole a victory they didn't deserve howling with upset and rage that the referees have allowed the downed opponent their name back. Its pathetic and its small. I think everybody knows that CCP will change the Alliance disband mechanic because of this incident. The rules will change. They have changed in the past and they will change again in the future. Quote: What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. Good comparison Quote: Thats why people are **ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. The goons are annoyed because a stolen victory has slightly been soured by their opponents getting their name back. Tough. Play the game. Ok Jade Im gonna talk to the person behind Jade. Im gonna talk to you as a fellow gamer.. We both preatty much much alike, im sure if I knew you in real life I would like you since we got the same interest etc.. And to adresse you claims.. Yes rules change in a game but they are made public and adressed to all the customers before implemented in a game.. And yes I agree with you the dispanding of BOB was very crappy game mechanics and it shoulnt have been programed this way. However it was and the dispanding of bob was within game mechanics. People followed the rules.. So the argument that this shoulnt have happend got nothing todo with these current event.. Fact is BOB as a faction got somehting no other players or faction has ever been given.. This is a huge deal..It gives the playerbase, the customers mistrust and is infact gamebreaking.. If customers cant trust the product they buying then CCP got some problems. We all love EVE, we all want EVE to be succesfull. So thats why Im am preatty shocked that some misguided GM which some close connection to some BOB players decide to write some different rules to those players. Now people could say if you dont like it quite. No I refuse to quite, becuase that would mean the cheaters has won. So I really hope no one quits over this but instead fight the corruption. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history Originally by: BOB "I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:56:00 - [124] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Itzena If the disbanding of BoB was 'wrong' as you claim, CCP would have reversed it. The disbanding of BOB was a flawed game mechanic. The game mechanic in question will be fixed almost certainly. The blocking of Band of Brothers re-establishment by setting up an impersonation alt corp was something that looked very much like an exploit. Looks like that has been reversed (at least to a degree). can you please pick some priciples and stick by them, last week you wanted to make up new rules to keep goons from posting on CAOD, now, this week you dont care about rules but fairness. Just pick something Jade becuase it kinda looks like youll just say anything as long as its pro RELODEDBOBKENZOKU and anti GF ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
torN Deception Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:56:00 - [125] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. well said! Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking Holy ****, a one line JC post. P.S - I'm sure you've got your finger on the pulse of the transvestite roleplayer community, but most EVE players don't like how CCP keeps one set of rules for BoB and one set of rules for everyone else.
Susung Caldari Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:58:00 - [126] OOOO DEAR GOD!! I used to enjoy you goons you were the little fat ******ed kids who moved in down the street, kinda cute and fun to throw rocks at Now after a couple years the whole neighbohood smells like dirty diapers,and even if I could stand the smell I can't open the windows because of all the unitelligible wailing. The ditches are clogged with drool and I cant get to work on time because of all the short buses in the damn street. WE HEAR YOU, YOU CAN STOP REPOSTING NOW TIMMY

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