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Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:11:00 - [181] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother -ing truth. No Dumb ** were not mad about the name, WE ARE MAD CCP BROKE THE RULES FOR BOB, whatever the reason. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:12:00 - [182] Originally by: Laura Rampart So tell me exactly how that's not POS bowling? Legally or illegally, bowling is pushing people out of the force field with big ships. It is POS bowling, which is now possible to do legitimately since warping to a POS without having the password stops you outside the POS, no longer rubber banding you inside to bump ships. That was not the case when BoB did it over and over for weeks. I bet that makes you happy that they got a taste of their own medicine except in a legal way right?
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:12:00 - [183] Originally by: onymous Originally by: GM Grimmi We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. I would like to hear your reasoning that "the situation warranted such action" and I'd like to hear some precedent too, since you're claiming it exists. Speak to both i think ** KIA and Veto, pretty sure that they have been inolved in this sort of thing in the past. /Theo Dark Materials
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:13:00 - [184] Originally by: Professor Impossible If I were CCP I would've stripped the original name from the fake corp Goonswarm created and given it back to BoB. Goonswarm has admitted that they took the name just to harass BoB. They also admitted to wardeccing every BoB corp for the sole purpose of preventing them from being able to form a new alliance. They are just annoyed because CCP is putting its foot down regarding their harassment tactics. It's a basic principle that players should get to choose the name of their corporation or alliance. Goonswarm intentionally tried to thwart that by using game mechanics inappropriately. Wardecs are not for the purpose of blocking alliance creation. And neither is it appropriate to create a corp name and ticker just to deny it to someone else. This isn't a case where its questionable whether Goonswarm did these things for legitimate purposes. They unequivocally stated that the wardecs and corp creation were to harass BoB. Also, everyone knows that the BoB alliance was not disbanded because BoB wanted to disband, it was because of a spy in the executor corp. BoB is still stuck with the tactical repercussions of that, losing all sov. The name change is purely cosmetic. For Goonswarm to act like a purely cosmetic name change means that CCP is somehow helping them win the game is completely asinine. It has no tactical repercussions at all. Everyone is in the same place as before. What Goonswarm considers "unfair" is that someone would dare impede their right to grief the hell out of everyone in EVE. I am not aware of an alliance being renamed, but I know of a corp and multiple characters that have been renamed because they were created for the express purpose of trying to pass themselves off as other corps or players. It completely makes sense to me that an alliance would be allowed to rename when it was used solely because other groups griefed them into using it. I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. Excellent post. Neither side in this war is in the right. Nothing has changed since two days ago other than a name entry in a database. Everyone still knows who to hate. Now go out there and make tritanium more expensive.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 - [185] Edited by: NeoTheo on 24/03/2009 17:15:27 Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother -ing truth. No Dumb ** were not mad about the name, WE ARE MAD CCP BROKE THE RULES FOR BOB, whatever the reason. The stealing of alliance and corp names, has occured in the past man, sorry. its the case. WAAA WAAA WAAAA we blatantly harrassed bob by creating a crappy alt corp to stop them reforming under the same banner, and now we are going to cry about it. loving the tears, really loving it. Dark Materials
Sin'Jin DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 - [186] Originally by: Laura Rampart Goons are evil You think the rules are okay to bend (BREAK) for this one case? ... Because goons are bad guys. I'm sorry we don't see things from your caring perspective and just turn a cheek. Oh boy, is this topic on A LOT OF WEBSITES OR WHAT
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 - [187] Originally by: Professor Impossible If I were CCP I would've stripped the original name from the fake corp Goonswarm created and given it back to BoB. You like games where the rules suddenly change after you make use of them, and you actions are undone? Originally by: Professor Impossible Goonswarm has admitted that they took the name just to harass BoB. They also admitted to wardeccing every BoB corp for the sole purpose of preventing them from being able to form a new alliance. Players harassing players in my EVE-O? More likely than I though. Originally by: Professor Impossible It's a basic principle that players should get to choose the name of their corporation or alliance. Ok. I choose Claflin Industries. Originally by: Professor Impossible Wardecs are not for the purpose of blocking alliance creation. And neither is it appropriate to create a corp name and ticker just to deny it to someone else. This isn't a case where its questionable whether Goonswarm did these things for legitimate purposes. They unequivocally stated that the wardecs and corp creation were to harass BoB. So wardeccing people to make life difficult for them is not ok. Roger that o7. Also, please forward on the rule that prohibits taking a name to prevent someone else taking it. Originally by: Professor Impossible Also, everyone knows that the BoB alliance was not disbanded because BoB wanted to disband, it was because of a spy in the executor corp. And? Originally by: Professor Impossible BoB is still stuck with the tactical repercussions of that, losing all sov. The name change is purely cosmetic. For Goonswarm to act like a purely cosmetic name change means that CCP is somehow helping them win the game is completely asinine. It has no tactical repercussions at all. Everyone is in the same place as before. Someone suggested CCP were helping BoB 'win' EVE? I must have missed that post. Originally by: Professor Impossible What Goonswarm considers "unfair" is that someone would dare impede their right to grief the hell out of everyone in EVE. Fail. Originally by: Professor Impossible I am not aware of an alliance being renamed, but I know of a corp and multiple characters that have been renamed because they were created for the express purpose of trying to pass themselves off as other corps or players. It completely makes sense to me that an alliance would be allowed to rename when it was used solely because other groups griefed them into using it. Fail. Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. Fail, return to World of Warcraft, do not pass go, do not collect 200ISK. - DesuSigs
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 - [188] Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Laura Rampart So tell me exactly how that's not POS bowling? Legally or illegally, bowling is pushing people out of the force field with big ships. It is POS bowling, which is now possible to do legitimately since warping to a POS without having the password stops you outside the POS, no longer rubber banding you inside to bump ships. That was not the case when BoB did it over and over for weeks. I bet that makes you happy that they got a taste of their own medicine except in a legal way right? It's legal until too many people use it and CCP decide to ban the use of it. Just like the original POS bowling. When Bob used the old way of it, it was legal.
Yonker GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 - [189] Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 17:18:23 Originally by: Laura Rampart So tell me exactly how that's not POS bowling? Legally or illegally, bowling is pushing people out of the force field with big ships. No, that is completely wrong. Here is the difference. If you have the password you can fly into the shields at.. lets say 1km/s with a cruiser. With that amount of mass x (times) speed you can bump a ship MAYBE 10km (bubbles have a ~26-30km radius). The bumped ships can just click 'Approach' on the control tower and never get bumped out (unless they're afk). Also to do this you have to get the password to the shields which is pretty hard to do. With bowling you warp a titan into the pos shields. Since they don't have the password to the shields they are forced at very high speeds (25km/s+) outside of the shields. Now with that amount of force (Titan Mass x 25-30km/s) you can knock capital ships 100+km outside of the shields where they are tackled and killed. This can be done very easily and all it requires is a covops pilot and a titan pilot. The support fleet can be sitting at sniping range.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 - [190] Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother -ing truth. No Dumb ** were not mad about the name, WE ARE MAD CCP BROKE THE RULES FOR BOB, whatever the reason. Remember ghost training? Remember the KB article? Now where did that issue go? When you make the rules, how can you break the rules? CCP: we're still waiting on your proof of precident that this isn't a new policy. Trust me, I'll eat my words if they fail to bring us proof.
Cendaliaa	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 - [191] guess i know why now BoB didnt keep their old name CCCP, that would have been to obvious.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 - [192] Originally by: Tobruk Only character* names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.* it took me 1.2 seconds to read the above... If after 2 month of deliberation you still concluded that it was OK to rename kenzoku... the Grimmi, you are ***ing hopeless Bolded the important part for you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.*
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 - [193] Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base.
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 - [194] Edited by: Laura Rampart on 24/03/2009 17:23:26 Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother -ing truth. No Dumb were not mad about the name, WE ARE MAD CCP BROKE THE RULES FOR BOB, whatever the reason. CCP have an habit of changing rules everytime. Maybe you're just too young to know it, but shocking** some people really had nerfs coming their way, for the better of Eve. -Think about the Zombie and Yulai incident, tanking concord. 100% legal. -Think about kestrel frigates suicide-launching cruise missiles and escaping the harsh security penalty by creating a new alt within a day. Many many other incidents sparked a change of rules, just like POS bowling. The point is, rules are never, ever, set in stone. It takes one original event to question the current rules and revise them, which GM Grimmi just did.
Cendaliaa	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:23:00 - [195] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Tobruk Only character* names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.* it took me 1.2 seconds to read the above... If after 2 month of deliberation you still concluded that it was OK to rename kenzoku... the Grimmi, you are **ing hopeless Bolded the important part for you. "Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them." "Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.**" http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp you learn something new every day, bolded out the important part for you.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:23:00 - [196] Originally by: Laura Rampart It's legal until too many people use it and CCP decide to ban the use of it. Just like the original POS bowling. When Bob used the old way of it, it was legal. No it wasn't it was deemed an exploit and the only reason they got away with it for awhile is because it was a NEW exploit.
elohllird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 - [197] Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Professor Impossible I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. hahaha er ha
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:25:00 - [198] Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base. Making a corporation called band of brothers directly after the disband and then admitting on the forums you did it to ** bob off is harassment, thats bannable ** on its own. DONT THROW STONES WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. not only that, this isnt the first time something like this has happened with a name stealing, its just the first time the goonspam train has herd about it. Dark Materials
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:25:00 - [199] Edited by: Laura Rampart on 24/03/2009 17:26:04 Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Laura Rampart It's legal until too many people use it and CCP decide to ban the use of it. Just like the original POS bowling. When Bob used the old way of it, it was legal. No it wasn't it was deemed an exploit and the only reason they got away with it for awhile is because it was a NEW exploit. oooh I'm sure the new way of POS bowling won't ever go to be an exploit after every alliance use it?
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:27:00 - [200] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Tobruk Only character* names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.* it took me 1.2 seconds to read the above... If after 2 month of deliberation you still concluded that it was OK to rename kenzoku... the Grimmi, you are ***ing hopeless Bolded the important part for you. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.* Added the important part for you. http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:28:00 - [201] Originally by: Laura Rampart No it wasn't it was deemed an exploit and the only reason they got away with it for awhile is because it was a NEW exploit. oooh I'm sure the new way of POS bowling won't ever go to be an exploit after every alliance use it? You're correct, it won't because bumping ships is not an exploit and I'm pretty sure CCP isn't going to change that. Whether it takes place inside a POS or not doesn't matter.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:28:00 - [202] Originally by: NeoTheo Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base. Making a corporation called band of brothers directly after the disband and then admitting on the forums you did it to ** bob off is harassment, thats bannable on its own. DONT THROW STONES WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. not only that, this isnt the first time something like this has happened with a name stealing, its just the first time the goonspam train has herd about it. That's not harassment, that's the cold hard reality of a harsh EVE. Harassment would be continually disbanding their alliance and stealing the name over and over. Though, I will admit, if we could do this, we might try it....hey, we never claimed we weren't s, only that we were **s within the context of the game rules as they are defined.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:28:00 - [203] Originally by: Laura Rampart It takes one original event to question the current rules and revise them, which GM Grimmi just did. /me reads the part where Grimmi said the rules got changed. - DesuSigs
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:28:00 - [204] Originally by: Montasque The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base. I'm sure it wasn't favoritism from CCP letting you goons go away with stealing the whole alliance with very, very lame game mechanics which shouldn't have been there to start with.
SomeHardLovin Furious Intentions	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:30:00 - [205] Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 24/03/2009 17:30:09 Meh. Let them have it. Having that name will really only act as a fairly amusing reminder of what happened to them. Goons should be thanking them for changing it to the 'reloaded' version. --- "Some say the best weapon is the weapon you never have to fire. I say.. the best weapon is the weapon you only have to fire once!"
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:30:00 - [206] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother -ing truth. No Dumb ** were not mad about the name, WE ARE MAD CCP BROKE THE RULES FOR BOB, whatever the reason. Remember ghost training? Remember the KB article? Now where did that issue go? When you make the rules, how can you break the rules? CCP: we're still waiting on your proof of precident that this isn't a new policy. Trust me, I'll eat my words if they fail to bring us proof. well at least you are willing to admit it might be more than just goon whine and an actual issue. Sorry for flaming you but cheating makes my blood boil, kudos for at least keeping an open mind. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:30:00 - [207] Originally by: Laura Rampart I'm sure it wasn't favoritism from CCP letting you goons go away with stealing the whole alliance with very, very lame game mechanics which shouldn't have been there to start with. No, that's called 'obeying the rules'. - DesuSigs
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:31:00 - [208] Edited by: OldPueblo on 24/03/2009 17:32:38 Stupid forums double post.
Popsikle Minmatar Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:32:00 - [209] Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base. When griefing goes to far, CCP changes the rules to prevent people from being griefed out of the game. Privateers: Upped the cost to wardecs Suicide Ganking: Concord wtfpwnd drones and such Moo: well, lotsa things changed because of them. Dynamic rules to prevent overgriefing is just the way it is in eve. You really should be used to it by now ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:32:00 - [210] Originally by: NeoTheo Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Professor Impossible I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. I get it, you hate goons. We do some pretty crappy things, but we do it within the rules of the game. The fact is, this isnt about goons, so framing it as such is silly. This is about how there should be one set of rules for everyone in EvE, and that favoritism has to stop if CCP want any credibility in the eyes of the player base. Making a corporation called band of brothers directly after the disband and then admitting on the forums you did it to ** bob off is harassment, thats bannable ** on its own. DONT THROW STONES WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. not only that, this isnt the first time something like this has happened with a name stealing, its just the first time the goonspam train has herd about it. Uh, that's not harassment and its perfectly within the game rules. If you're butthurt that we disbanded BoB I get it, but attacking us while ignoring the realities of this situation is just counter productive. The fact is that a GM broke the rules to help one alliance. We all pay to play this game, and we should all live under the same rules.

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