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Mr M Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:47:00 - [511] Originally by: GateCamp Scout7 Originally by: Montasque of GoonSwarm Instead of trolling can you please add some constructive criticism one way or another? am i the only one that caught this? I'm still giggling hysterical when ever I think of it. I mean, the massive amount of irony in this thread must be enough to create a singularity EVEgeek\|Eden Underground Radio
Cyprus Black Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:50:00 - [512] "A rose by any other name..." Seriously, does it really matter? They're not receiving any special privileges or ingame advantages. They're just getting their old name back. A name taken from them through questionable methods and possibly unintended game mechanics. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Rhagath	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:52:00 - [513] I see 1 developer that acted bad, but that is like the GM in funcom that tried to cybor one of their customers. I fail to see any motivation in that list by CCP as a company to have favorism of one corp or the other. Sorry, but as a new player (2 weeks so far), all i see is whining over pixels ;) And name changes of organizations have happened in all previous games i have played.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:53:00 - [514] When I get home from work today I am submitting another petition for a corporate name change I requested a couple of months back. My corporation meets all the same conditions that BoB did so I should have no problem getting it actioned. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043 Largest Empire Research Alliance in EVE!
Vladic Ka Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:09:00 - [515] Originally by: Ricdic When I get home from work today I am submitting another petition for a corporate name change I requested a couple of months back. My corporation meets all the same conditions that BoB did so I should have no problem getting it actioned. You will have to tell us how that goes and hi ric.
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:12:00 - [516] Edited by: Will Hunter on 25/03/2009 04:12:17 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: LaVista Vista 1. BOB was compromised and disbanded after they eliminated a built-in safeguard, in exchange for convenience. Can you explain this bit please LaVista. I keep hearing this repeated by goons in various threads but don't really understand what you are saying here. What is the "built-in-safeguard" that prevents a director in the executor corp from kicking out all the corps in the alliance and disanding it? shares, shares, shares its thier fault that it was posible for a full director to bypass a vote, get a ****ing clue
Miss Africa	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:14:00 - [517] Originally by: Professor Impossible If I were CCP I would've stripped the original name from the fake corp Goonswarm created and given it back to BoB. Goonswarm has admitted that they took the name just to harass BoB. They also admitted to wardeccing every BoB corp for the sole purpose of preventing them from being able to form a new alliance. They are just annoyed because CCP is putting its foot down regarding their harassment tactics. It's a basic principle that players should get to choose the name of their corporation or alliance. Goonswarm intentionally tried to thwart that by using game mechanics inappropriately. Wardecs are not for the purpose of blocking alliance creation. And neither is it appropriate to create a corp name and ticker just to deny it to someone else. This isn't a case where its questionable whether Goonswarm did these things for legitimate purposes. They unequivocally stated that the wardecs and corp creation were to harass BoB. Also, everyone knows that the BoB alliance was not disbanded because BoB wanted to disband, it was because of a spy in the executor corp. BoB is still stuck with the tactical repercussions of that, losing all sov. The name change is purely cosmetic. For Goonswarm to act like a purely cosmetic name change means that CCP is somehow helping them win the game is completely asinine. It has no tactical repercussions at all. Everyone is in the same place as before. What Goonswarm considers "unfair" is that someone would dare impede their right to grief the hell out of everyone in EVE. I am not aware of an alliance being renamed, but I know of a corp and multiple characters that have been renamed because they were created for the express purpose of trying to pass themselves off as other corps or players. It completely makes sense to me that an alliance would be allowed to rename when it was used solely because other groups griefed them into using it. I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant. Well written post. Also man is smart!
Dranny	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:15:00 - [518] Originally by: Ricdic When I get home from work today I am submitting another petition for a corporate name change I requested a couple of months back. My corporation meets all the same conditions that BoB did so I should have no problem getting it actioned. So your corp was disbanded through legitimate (but still a broken mechanic no matter how you look at it. Takes a vote to unlock a Blueprint yet you can disband an alliance in .02 seconds.). Had your corp name stolen for the pure reason to grief you. And also had that group come out and brag about how they are doing it just to harass you? If so, I do hope you get your name changed. If not, it is hardly the same situation that bob has had to deal with.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:21:00 - [519] Originally by: Will Hunter Edited by: Will Hunter on 25/03/2009 04:12:17 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: LaVista Vista 1. BOB was compromised and disbanded after they eliminated a built-in safeguard, in exchange for convenience. Can you explain this bit please LaVista. I keep hearing this repeated by goons in various threads but don't really understand what you are saying here. What is the "built-in-safeguard" that prevents a director in the executor corp from kicking out all the corps in the alliance and disanding it? shares, shares, shares its thier fault that it was posible for a full director to bypass a vote, get a ****ing clue Calm down. What about shares exactly? What are you trying to say? Earlier this evening (for example) I mistakenly booted a corporation out of my alliance with one click and the executor corp of SF definitely has shares. So what is the point about shares and "built-in-safeguards" you are trying to make? ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:33:00 - [520] Utterly cheeze, CCP. Stuff like this is why nobody reports things like the moon mining exploit and other issues, because they figure you guys deserve it for the way you treat the playerbase. More and more people will be saying "F'CCP" when it comes to gray areas and just trying to get their hands on as much as they can. Band of Blubberers should get the benefit of having their name back, or should get to keep their Sov levels and 1bil ISK...not both. Regardless of your flimsy and transparent disclaimer (which doesn't even pass the laugh test), nobody else would get such treatment. Tighten your game up, you're slipping again. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.

WhiteTigersGod	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:45:00 - [521] Thank you CCP it is my pleasure to inform you that due to this decision you have just lost a loyal customer. I will not be renewing my account for a game that favors one side. This game prides itself on being player driven but when you step in and give free handouts to give favor one side you ruin the whole game. I will from this point on make it a mission of mine to visit all public websites that advertise this game and inform people that they are wasting their time on this game. How you might ask well its simple. It took hard work to dissolve the BoB alliance and it was their choice from that point on to join kenzoku. They had the choice to go forth and create an alliance and they chose not too. Now when they realize they made a bad choice you CCP step in and give them whatever they want just like in the past. I will not play a game that no matter what I do you will step in and negate it by giving free handouts to the losing side. I urge everyone who reads this post to no subscribe to this game but instead go to your local store and buy a new game to play. CCP has a thread currently where over 1289 paying customers say that their actions are uncalled for and should be undone but how do they respond they say F**k off and do what they want. STOP PAYING FOR EVE MAKE A REAL PETITION AND BOYCOTT THIS GAME!!
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 - [522] Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weÆd like to take this opportunity to address those issues. We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment. This shouldn't have been allowed. Thanks for asking the Eve Community about our opinion. Please change BoB's name back and remove their sov 3, if indeed that rumor is true. They also kept sov, but as Kenzuko, even though they should have had to take 7 days to get that sov under their new alliance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Arch Ville Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 - [523] Edited by: Arch Ville on 25/03/2009 04:48:54 I'm disgusted at this situation. This kind of sh*t dosen't wash out...will never wash out. This is only more reasons to quit this game for another mmorpg Special treatment was given and i can only imagine the other ways that Bob is getting helped at. Seeing this happen, affects deeply how I see this game and the people who run it. This is not acceptable. This game is getting ruined with these attitudes. There are no rules anymore. Completely messed up what's happening.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:50:00 - [524] Meh, who cares. So people in BoBr get their dev friends to help them out again. Big deal. Just go on with your lives, secure that what you accomplish is due to your own skill, perseverence and smarts. You succeed against the odds. On the other hand, BoBr would be nothing if it wasn't for constant, non-stop developer and GM favortism. They're failing even WITH what amounts to ongoing divine aid!
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:51:00 - [525] Holy crap, 18 pages for such of a trivial thing. I don't get what the big deal is. ---
Hark0n Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:53:00 - [526] A GM DID THIS?? OMG - sad day. Regardless of who benefits GMs should not have the power to circumvent game mechanics.
Derus Grobb Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:02:00 - [527] This decision is absolutely corrupt and the explanation given is nonsensical. I cannot see one good reason why the alliance should be allowed to change its name like that. Reverse it, CCP. ---
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:06:00 - [528] Just going to quote myself from the assembly hall thread tbh, it applies almost the same here.. Originally by: Nnamuachs While i'm not really a fan of Goonswarm, atleast they don't pretend to be some benevolent alliance of loving goody two-shoes and friendly to all like some people assume they should be... they're ***s and that's that... However, this does set a relatively poor precedent once again that "CCP favors TAFKABOB". Whether through the action of a rogue GM/Dev etc.. (In which this is obviously "not" a case of a rogue GM since it was not "immediately" rectified") In which it seems like a sanctioned change specifically for this alliance, with "less" of a reason to have their name changed than alliances that accidently made a mistype and have to reform their alliance + fees. Kenzoku Existed for quite a few months "before" the former bob corporations joined into it to start on their sov fest. There was no legitimate petition to be made here, there apparently were no complaints about Kenzoku's name until the former BoB members joined up at which point they had no standing. They could have easily created a new alliance on the spot with their preferred name costing them an hour of time at most since alliance creation is instantaneous. They did not do this when it was an option because they had supposedly bigger priorities, and now it has turned into a big PR nightmare for CCP because of their actions in helping former BoB members. I cannot help but put in my support for this matter as it is an obvious violation of CCP's own ethics to break/bend their rules for a singular or limited entity, regardless of how big or small the slight supposedly was it puts into motion a very slippery slope of events. As a side note.. for those saying (paraphrasing here because quoting every single one of them would use up all my posting space.) "BoB was the first alliance to have this exploit* (legitimate game mechanic) used on them, so they should be given some leeway". Is a terrible argument for the mere fact that almost the exact same thing happened to Maximum yarrage, and if you did any sort of research you would know that.
Morag Tong	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:09:00 - [529] Originally by: Zex Maxwell Holy crap, 18 pages for such of a trivial thing. I don't get what the big deal is. Then drink the Kool-Aid my friend. :)
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:09:00 - [530] Originally by: Jade Constantine What is the "built-in-safeguard" that prevents a director in the executor corp from kicking out all the corps in the alliance and disanding it? There is none. I have no idea what the goonies are trying to say about shares, sorry. We can obviously discuss the fact that a director in the executor corp can kick all member-corps. But that's not relevant. I was really trying to be a bit witty about the fact that they used a corporate structure in tin foil, which allowed for this to happen. In fact, if I'm not wrong, BOB claimed that it was a mistake that this director had such roles in the first place . Common sense is a built-in safeguard. By eliminating that(Well, most alliances do that anyways), they open themselves up to attacks. Pretty simple. EVeconomics

Jason Marshall Gallente Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:13:00 - [531] Had Kenz been a newly formed alliance, i coulda accepted this. But they were around before this incident, You cant look at them has BoB, the former BoB corps decided to join Kenz after there alliancne was disbanded. This is total and utter bull****. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:13:00 - [532] Originally by: Zex Maxwell Holy crap, 18 pages for such of a trivial thing. I don't get what the big deal is. its the internet man. rest assured: 90% of people freaking out are goonswarm (alts or otherwise) 90% of those people are doing this tongue in cheek and yelling because it's amusing (the other 10% are raging with neckbeards in their parent's basement) 90% of the previous 90% couldn't care less (the other 10% are raging with neckbeards in their parent's basement) goonies never miss the opportunity for SCANDAL. it is well known they would rather ruin a game and be known for doing that than to actually give 2 ****s about any community other than their own on SA.com it isn't that it is a big deal, it is going to be made into a big deal because of the parties involved. unfortunately for all of us.....
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:19:00 - [533] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia 90% of people freaking out are goonswarm (alts or otherwise) This from a day-old alt in an NPC corp. nice.
Jason Marshall Gallente Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:24:00 - [534] Edited by: Jason Marshall on 25/03/2009 05:24:35 Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia 90% of people freaking out are goonswarm (alts or otherwise) This from a day-old alt in an NPC corp. nice. Probably someone off of Something Awful forums. Or, a /b/tard. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:44:00 - [535] I actually feel somewhat bad for pubbies, in that whenever they speak against the status quo, the poor pubbies have their concerns ignored and painted with the brush of "lol, goonies." I am further certain that as long as goons are so regarded, they will continue to be the alliance-crushing juggernaut that you all fear and decry. I would go so far as to say that it is in fact your very disregard for the mind of goon that gives us such opportunity. Also :madprops: to our NAPTrain brosefs - BURN/CO2/C0RE/DEFY/ESPWN/FDN/FTZ./IRON/KIA/KW/X.I.X/ME/RAWR/NEL/OP/-RZR-/-R-/RED/BYRN/X.W.X/SOLAR/SOL-W/IYI/S.T./SPLR/T C F/TERR/INIT./U-RA/UNL/UND/VARAG/VIP/YETI/ZAF we couldn't curbstomp pubbies so well without you.
Lorieen AQ Militis Seprentia	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:52:00 - [536] I think this was a poor decision from CCP. If former BOB alliance wanted the name Band of Brothers Reloaded why did they not make a new alliance with that name instead of KenZoku when the old one was disbanded? I thought EVE was a cold harsh universe.
Saaya Illirie Caldari Core Element Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:06:00 - [537] My personal opinion is: Who cares? I thought the entire name stealing plot of the goons was a bit unsavory, at least by taking the name addendum 'Reloaded' they are admitting to their prior failure (chalk 1 up for the goons there). We all know the real mission of Goons is to ruin the game for everyone else, seems their name theft was another part of this. Perhaps Goons would complain less if they took the time to consider what CCP hasn't done on behalf of BOB (such as disbanding BOB corp for imitating a prior alliance) but we all know the GoonSwarm is a hivemind without individual thought. Or maybe they're just upset that Kenny get's to switch sov colors on the EVE Map and their stuck with vomit green and they're jealous and want them to get violet. We all knew deep down that Kenny would disband and reform with a knew less embarrassing name sometime and that their current sov holding was the only factor stopping it... what's the matter Goons you can't take a few more systems so feel like complaining because CCP speeds up the process? Suffer not the insufferable to live.
Herckon	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:06:00 - [538] Edited by: Herckon on 25/03/2009 06:08:24 People who thought it was a game mechanic that you could not get your alliance name changed without loosing Sov cares - at least it is a little bit of a tickle...
Count Bolton	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:12:00 - [539] CCP has a long history of corruption and favoritism since day 1, even before BoB existed. It started with the 'Old Boys Club' of m0o, Evolution and RKK back during Castor years Internal QA knowledge of PvP exploits. Knowledge of market shifting patch changes before public release. Massive insider knowledge of the T2 BPO lottery and Aurora events flowed freely between these corporations. BoB crashing the nodes to win fleet battles wasn't just from their UK location. They exploited a flaw in how clients logged into the Tranquility server. It involved having a second game client open and filled, waiting on standby to forcibly disconnect your current client from the server. There were other methods involved, but it's an example how BoB had a deep understanding of eve's server mechanics and node balancing, as with other parts of the game. I used to work in ISD as a Bug Hunter, so I witnessed some of this corruption first-hand. The chaos server(original test server, before singularity existed) was a breeding ground for exploitation and insider knowledge. While I worked on squashing bugs, I would see other ISD members scouting out moons and enemy stations from the latest game backup. Some people also had '/spawn' privileges, and used it to gather insider knowledge on new equipment, game mechanics, and even exploits. I tried to report these problems myself, but they got swept under the rug by certain GMs and QA members. I remember Nebulai, the old Aurora lead calling me a liar, even after I caught some of his event staff cheating during an event(with slash commands), unfairly destroying other player's ships and property. I think the public opening of singularity server has been a large help in making EVE a level playing field. Everyone has equal rights to limitless equipment on the test server, and can tinker around with new patches and game changes. I also think transparency with the new ISD and event teams has gone a long way to remove favoritism and free giveaways of officer loot. Even though the impact of ISD, GM and developer corruption has been greatly reduced, I feel that CCP still doesn't take this kind of cheating seriously. Eve Online iron-clad naming policy has screwed over countless other people in the past due to its bitter fairness, and yet everything is waved for just one alliance. Not just any alliance; It's the same alliance that gets their hand caught in the cookie jar, every time. Aurora event scandals. 10/10 complexes with farmable overseers, exploiting aggro timers, bugged trade routes using titan portals, shooting players though starbase shields, crashing nodes down to a science, etc. The list is very, very long. For those that do not understand, this isn't about a simple name change. BoB used an already-existing 'alternate' alliance to fall back into after being disbanded, to immediately reclaim their sovereignty. The downside is they're stuck with using the alt-alliance, and must disband to create a more 'official' one. Using GM intervention, however, they are having their cake and eating it too. This is after the GM's told everyone else the cake was a lie. The widespread corruption is hard to quantify, as many players who went through it have already quit the game in disgust. I think the current player base will mainly cite the t20 scandal as their oldest memory, even though the free BPO's were trash and insignificant compared to t20's knowledge on how to control the lottery itself. I have also quit the game in disgust and no longer play EVE. I use this free account(gifted to me by kieron) to poke around and check out the new expansions every now and then. I thought the t20 scandal and creation of internal affairs would be the last time BoB was given any kind of favoritism by the higher powers. It saddens me that I was wrong. The tl;dr version: The cake is a lie, unless you're BoB. Then you get plenty of cake.
Swamp Trader	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:25:00 - [540] Edited by: Swamp Trader on 25/03/2009 06:25:35 Originally by: WhiteTigersGod Thank you CCP it is my pleasure to inform you that due to this decision you have just lost a loyal customer. I will not be renewing my account for a game that favors one side. This game prides itself on being player driven but when you step in and give free handouts to give favor one side you ruin the whole game. I will from this point on make it a mission of mine to visit all public websites that advertise this game and inform people that they are wasting their time on this game. How you might ask well its simple. It took hard work to dissolve the BoB alliance and it was their choice from that point on to join kenzoku. They had the choice to go forth and create an alliance and they chose not too. Now when they realize they made a bad choice you CCP step in and give them whatever they want just like in the past. I will not play a game that no matter what I do you will step in and negate it by giving free handouts to the losing side. I urge everyone who reads this post to no subscribe to this game but instead go to your local store and buy a new game to play. CCP has a thread currently where over 1289 paying customers say that their actions are uncalled for and should be undone but how do they respond they say F**k off and do what they want. STOP PAYING FOR EVE MAKE A REAL PETITION AND BOYCOTT THIS GAME!! Ill convo you ingame in a month, when you calmed down, oh and can i have your stuff? pubbie!



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